Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 This might be interesting to some members... please read the whole thread if interested :-) What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tanvir lalkitab Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:17 PM Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort Hello, When you have some free time, please be kind to find the references and send me to tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com :-) It is not necessary right now, since I am also kind of engaged in studies, will be free in July. Mr Das Goravani is of the same opinion and anyone who gives it a little thought will understand that there is no free will, if one believes in vedic astrology then there can be no free will - either of vedic astrology or free will power will have to be void to let the another one exist!!! Yes I do agree that remedy will work when indicated in chart. Gem, mantra, yajna - all are indicated by certain houses and without good influences on those houses, the person will never be able to find the good / correct remedy , or the remedy will not work etc. As per my experience I have seen that charity does not work for me - whenever I do any charity for any planet, I simply end up STRENGTHENING the planet !!!!!! Then I did charity of 9th Lord Venus to strengthen it, I had sort of financial trouble and a friend misunderstood me for no reason and blamed me like anything within the next day of charity. The friend was of libra lagna - ruled by venus which charity I did. And ve also is my 2nd lord so soon I faced financial trouble within next day. Thus I am too scared to do anymore charity to pacify any planet. I want to write an article on free wil after I find some free time, this might generate some discussion esp in my list :-) Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Punit Pandey lalkitab Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:06 PM Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort Dear Tanvir,I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi andRam Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were ofopinion of "no free will". If someone interested I cantell exact reference from books although I'll have tosearch a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KPSystem) had of same opinion. Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questionsand I am sure lots of disagreements. For example ifthis 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et al.or remedy works only if there is already indication ofremedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'TFIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THISMATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi andRamkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. Regards,Punit Pandey--- Tanvir <tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com> wrote:> I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will or> if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had ANY> free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be> and do anything and do prediction would ever come> true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man or> person does or face could have been prediction right> after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna said> - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to be> the doer, he does nohing...> > Regards,> Tanvir> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir Chowdhury> tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Punit Pandey > lalkitab > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM> Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort> > > Hello Colin,> > I think sage Parashara has never written anything> about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit> Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for reference> from> BPHS.> > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we> cannot> change anything or only can change the things that> are> written to be changed. > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and> other> members can have their own opion. > > Punit Pandey> > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote:> > I received the following in my email box this> > morning from a Vedic Web Site:> > > > "As a prelude to the launch of the Members Forum> at> > Cyberastro.com, we > > had started an opinion poll on the home page.> Last> > week's subject was > > "Personal effort can override signatures of a> natal> > chart". An > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have> polled> > "Yes", while > > 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about this> > matter. It seems > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage> > Parashara, the father of > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that> personal> > effort accounts for > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is> > governed by the signatures> > of the natal chart."> > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal> > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite> empowering> > to consider that one's efforts do matter more> than a> > little.> > > > Colin Yardley> > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync> to Outlook.> http://calendar.> > Sponsor > > > > > lalkitab> > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.http://calendar.To from this group, send an email to:lalkitabYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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