JIVA -a vote for conscious study

May 11, 2006

Om Gurave Namah

JIVA- A vote for Conscous

Learning !! How blessed are we!

To all those keen Jyotish learners,

Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to learn from our

great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn at their guru's

feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.

HOWEVER- for those of us learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of miles

from just about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.

The latest impulse, JIVA( www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a student. I have

been truly amazed at the depth of advanced material delivered . Always in

simple yet universal, and spiritual form that is given in just the first two

sessions. For me who has studied Jyotish for many years, (I think it is about

6!!) and attended many SJC conferences worldwide, ......................It is a

Godsend!!

The reason is, is that JIVA finally puts all that golden knowledge into

conscious order!! Willa, who delivers the course , is very thorough by nature,

and she has managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA team , on guruji's

dictims until the order is refined and defined. The Guna and Tattwas take

precedence, so the more universal leads , Samashti to the Vyashti NOT the other

way around as in so many other courses available today in vedic astrology. This

is the true direction of jyotish, as it establishes Advaita from the beginning

and then differentiates. It is also why the actual presence of your teacher

will be much more easily effective. Somehow some gift from the Rishis has

blessed JIVA, as i have found deep and conscious learning taking place, despite

the distance. Sanjay and his JIVA team seem to have achieved almost the

impossible, as every subtle gap in my knowledge is being nourished to reveal

deep understanding beneath. We are up to session 3 and planets have not yet

been covered!! Session two included Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas and

gunas amongst vara, Tithi, nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!!

Some may ask how can this be beginner material?

Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found all the students keeping up with

Guruji on our weekend conference call!!

It also means all the conscious study that everyone on this list and others ,

have done has helped bring this great fruit of the tradition into being!! JIVA

is a whole new impulse for SJC and it is a very great credit to those who have

gone before, and those with it today. Already I have reccomended the course to

other students, and they too have enroled and come under the care of its

impulse. When you study on your own, so far away, it is not always easy to keep

the BIG picture and Guruji's shakti in view. JIVA does this with its structure,

its content, and its delivery. Even the On line Powerpoint displays follow the

same flow of consciousness, and a student can replay the lecture, whilst

pulling up all his charts that promote a question. Yes, there are some

advantages of this modern age! But for me the real test came when i listened to

Guruji on the conference call. ( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the

questions and the understanding from beginner students from all around the

world.It was breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant

explaination of guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one

student clicked with instantly!!

I hope those of you who read this, know of keen spiritual learners of Jyotish

that need this foundation grounding, and will reccomend JIVA. By doing this you

are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but the Rishi's that have so clearly been

the vidya behind it.

May Jagannath continue to Bless Our studies

In grateful thanks,

Rosemary Innes-Jones

SJC New Zealand

May 11, 2006

offer, including Jiva, but I always just try to remember that for me it is not

about the organisation and the letters after a name, but about who (or what!) I

am, and what good I can do with this knowledge. So, with the books I revere,

the audio material available, and the discussions between students and gurus on

the lists, I'll persevere.My birth details - 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw,

Poland.respectfully,Michal Dziwulski B.A. History and Philosophy[ Om Namo

Narayanaya ]Rosemary Innes-Jones <rf.innes-jones (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote: Om

Gurave Namah JIVA- A

vote for Conscous Learning !! How blessed are we! To all those keen Jyotish

learners, Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to

learn from our great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn

at their guru's feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.

HOWEVER- for those of us learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of

miles from just

about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC. The latest impulse, JIVA(

www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a student. I have been truly amazed at the

depth of advanced material delivered . Always in simple yet universal, and

spiritual form that is given in just the first two sessions. For me who has

studied Jyotish for many years, (I think it is about 6!!) and attended many SJC

conferences worldwide, ......................It is a Godsend!! The reason is,

is that JIVA finally puts all that golden knowledge into conscious order!!

Willa, who delivers the course , is very thorough by nature, and she has

managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA team , on guruji's dictims until

the order is refined and defined. The Guna and

Tattwas take precedence, so the more universal leads , Samashti to the Vyashti

NOT the other way around as in so many other courses available today in vedic

astrology. This is the true direction of jyotish, as it establishes Advaita

from the beginning and then differentiates. It is also why the actual presence

of your teacher will be much more easily effective. Somehow some gift from the

Rishis has blessed JIVA, as i have found deep and conscious learning taking

place, despite the distance. Sanjay and his JIVA team seem to have achieved

almost the impossible, as every subtle gap in my knowledge is being nourished

to reveal deep understanding beneath. We are up to session 3 and planets have

not yet been covered!! Session two included Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas

and gunas amongst vara, Tithi, nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!! Some may ask how

can this be beginner material? Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found

all the students keeping up with Guruji on our weekend conference call!! It

also means all the conscious study that everyone on this list and others , have

done has helped bring this great fruit of the tradition into being!! JIVA is a

whole new impulse for SJC and it is a very great credit to those who have gone

before, and those with it today. Already I have reccomended the course to other

students, and they too have enroled and come under the care of its impulse. When

you study on your own, so far away, it is not always easy to keep the BIG

picture and Guruji's shakti in view. JIVA does this with its structure, its

content, and its delivery. Even the On line Powerpoint displays follow the same

flow of consciousness, and a student can replay the lecture, whilst pulling

up all his charts that promote a question. Yes, there are some advantages of

this modern age! But for me the real test came when i listened to Guruji on the

conference call. ( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the questions and

the understanding from beginner students from all around the world.It was

breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant explaination of

guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one student clicked with

instantly!! I hope those of you who read this, know of keen spiritual

learners of Jyotish that need this foundation grounding, and will reccomend

JIVA. By doing this you are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but the Rishi's

that have so clearly been the vidya behind it. May Jagannath continue to

Bless Our studies In grateful thanks, Rosemary Innes-Jones SJC New Zealand

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May 11, 2006

Dear Michal,

Namaskar. Sorry to hear about your situation and

desires. However, if it helps to know, most of us are in your situation and

direct guidence only comes from books, mp3s and . Other than that

Siksha mantra is the best guidence if Guru is not available in person. Siksha

mantra can reveal everything in time. It is Mahamantra.

In your chart, permit me to discuss a bit, Shukra is lord of 4th house has some

weakness owing to its rasi sandhi position. Budha is 8th lord and karaka for

learning and its presence in the 4th (MKS) is not favourable for formal

education. In D-24, which I must hope you have rectified to this extent,

Chandra in the 9th can give bachelor level education in philosophical subjects.

However, I do not recognize Shukra to be in MKS in the chart. For Divisional

chart, appropriate karaka and bhava are important. The sixth house MKS of

Shukra has a completly different context and not applicable to D-24. Here, just

take Shukra to be weak in dusthana and Chandra and Shukra are in parivartana. UL

(compromises) and A6 (struggles/hurdles) are in the 4th house and 9th house

respectively. Besides, the reigning Mahadasa was Rahu and it has virodhargala

to 4th house and is a maraka to the 9th house. Rahu Ketu always cause problems

in education field. Judge the antar dasas that you faced struggles. Notice that

Mangal and Surya are two marakas to 4th lord and their bhuktis dont bode well.

Guru is very strong and staring at the 5th house of paravidya and will make you

learn sashtras and vedas. Besides, houses 2,5,8,11 are connected by

occupation/aspects and will make you a good jyotishi/occultist.

Hope you didn't mind my discussion unsolicited.

Best wishes,

Sourav

===================================================================

, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>>

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rosemary,> > Indeed Jiva is a Godsend.

Unfortunately, I think I missed the boat for enrolling. Which may not be an

entirely conscious decision, if I may borrow the term, but something perhaps

more destined in the stars.> > Recently I examined my D24 chart. It has

Aquarius rising with Venus in MKS in the 6th house. Venus owns the 4th house of

formal education as well as the 9th house of higher studies, so naturally these

houses suffer. And suffer they have. When I saw this combination all the

struggle I had experienced in high school and University became abundantly

clear, and I realised that more informal, personal and self disciplined

teachings were more suited to me.> > In a way it feels like a bit of a shame,

because I am very attracted to the titles, logos and credentials that all these

formal institutions have to offer, including Jiva, but I always just try to

remember that for me it is not about the organisation and the letters after a

name, but about who (or what!) I am, and what good I can do with this

knowledge. So, with the books I revere, the audio material available, and the

discussions between students and gurus on the lists, I'll persevere.> > My

birth details - 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.> > respectfully,> Michal

Dziwulski > B.A. History and Philosophy> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Rosemary

Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah> JIVA- A vote for

Conscous Learning !! How blessed are we!> To all those keen Jyotish learners,>

> Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to learn from

our great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn at their

guru's feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.> HOWEVER- for

those of us learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of miles from just

about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.> The latest impulse, JIVA(

www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a student. I have been truly amazed at the

depth of advanced material delivered . Always in simple yet universal, and

spiritual form that is given in just the first two sessions. For me who has

studied Jyotish for many years, (I think it is about 6!!) and attended many SJC

conferences worldwide, ......................It is a Godsend!!> > The reason is,

is that JIVA finally puts all that golden knowledge into conscious order!!

Willa, who delivers the course , is very thorough by nature, and she has

managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA team , on guruji's dictims until

the order is refined and defined. The Guna and Tattwas take precedence, so the

more universal leads , Samashti to the Vyashti NOT the other way around as in

so many other courses available today in vedic astrology. This is the true

direction of jyotish, as it establishes Advaita from the beginning and then

differentiates. It is also why the actual presence of your teacher will be much

more easily effective. Somehow some gift from the Rishis has blessed JIVA, as i

have found deep and conscious learning taking place, despite the distance.

Sanjay and his JIVA team seem to have achieved almost the impossible, as every

subtle gap in my knowledge is being nourished to reveal deep understanding

beneath. We are up to session 3 and> planets have not yet been covered!!

Session two included Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas and gunas amongst

vara, Tithi, nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!!> > Some may ask how can this be

beginner material? > Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found all the

students keeping up with Guruji on our weekend conference call!!> It also means

all the conscious study that everyone on this list and others , have done has

helped bring this great fruit of the tradition into being!! JIVA is a whole new

impulse for SJC and it is a very great credit to those who have gone before, and

those with it today. Already I have reccomended the course to other students,

and they too have enroled and come under the care of its impulse. When you

study on your own, so far away, it is not always easy to keep the BIG picture

and Guruji's shakti in view. JIVA does this with its structure, its content,

and its delivery. Even the On line Powerpoint displays follow the same flow of

consciousness, and a student can replay the lecture, whilst pulling up all his

charts that promote a question. Yes, there are some advantages of this modern

age! But for me the real test came when i listened to Guruji on the conference

call. ( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the questions and the

understanding from> beginner students from all around the world.It was

breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant explaination of

guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one student clicked with

instantly!!> > I hope those of you who read this, know of keen spiritual

learners of Jyotish that need this foundation grounding, and will reccomend

JIVA. By doing this you are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but the Rishi's

that have so clearly been the vidya behind it.> > May Jagannath continue to

Bless Our studies> In grateful thanks,> > Rosemary Innes-Jones> SJC New

Zealand> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > SPONSORED

LINKS > Vedic Vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > >

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May 11, 2006

failed at everything, even attendence in the classroom. However up to 16 years

of age I was a model student getting the best grades in the school. Isn't 16

the natural age of Venus?So would you say that Venus as badhakesh is the

culprit rather than it being in dusthana?Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo

Narayanaya ]Sourav <souravc108 > wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear

Michal, Namaskar. Sorry to hear about your

situation and desires.

However, if it helps to know, most of us are in your situation and direct

guidence only comes from books, mp3s and . Other than that Siksha

mantra is the best guidence if Guru is not available in person. Siksha mantra

can reveal everything in time. It is Mahamantra. In your chart, permit me to

discuss a bit, Shukra is lord of 4th house has some weakness owing to its rasi

sandhi position. Budha is 8th lord and karaka for learning and its presence in

the 4th (MKS) is not favourable for formal education. In D-24, which I must hope

you have rectified to this extent, Chandra in the 9th can give bachelor level

education in philosophical subjects. However, I do not recognize Shukra to be

in MKS in the chart. For Divisional chart, appropriate karaka and bhava are

important. The sixth house MKS of Shukra has a completly different context and

not applicable to D-24. Here, just take Shukra to be weak in dusthana and

Chandra and Shukra

are in parivartana. UL (compromises) and A6 (struggles/hurdles) are in the 4th

house and 9th house respectively. Besides, the reigning Mahadasa was Rahu and

it has virodhargala to 4th house and is a maraka to the 9th house. Rahu Ketu

always cause problems in education field. Judge the antar dasas that you faced

struggles. Notice that Mangal and Surya are two marakas to 4th lord and their

bhuktis dont bode well. Guru is very strong and staring at the 5th house of

paravidya and will make you learn sashtras and vedas. Besides, houses 2,5,8,11

are connected by occupation/aspects and will make you a good

jyotishi/occultist. Hope you didn't mind my discussion unsolicited. Best

wishes, Sourav

=================================================================== --- In

, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>> [ Hare

Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Rosemary,>

> Indeed Jiva is a Godsend. Unfortunately, I think I missed the boat for

enrolling. Which may not be an entirely conscious decision, if I may borrow the

term, but something perhaps more destined in the stars.> > Recently I examined

my D24 chart. It has Aquarius rising with Venus in MKS in the 6th house. Venus

owns the 4th house of formal education as well as the 9th house of higher

studies, so naturally these houses suffer. And suffer they have. When I saw

this combination all the struggle I had experienced in high school and

University became abundantly clear, and I realised that more informal, personal

and self disciplined teachings were more suited to me.> > In a way it feels like

a bit of a shame, because I am very attracted to the titles, logos and

credentials that all these formal institutions have to offer, including Jiva,

but I always just try to remember that for me it is not about the organisation

and the letters after a name,

but about who (or what!) I am, and what good I can do with this knowledge. So,

with the books I revere, the audio material available, and the discussions

between students and gurus on the lists, I'll persevere.> > My birth details -

7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.> > respectfully,> Michal Dziwulski > B.A.

History and Philosophy> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Rosemary Innes-Jones

rf.innes-jones wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah> JIVA- A vote for Conscous

Learning !! How blessed are we!> To all those keen Jyotish learners,> > Nothing

beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish guru, to learn from our great

parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to learn at their guru's feet

and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.> HOWEVER- for those of us

learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of miles from just about

anywhere,

Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.> The latest impulse, JIVA( www.jiva.us ) I

recently joined as a student. I have been truly amazed at the depth of advanced

material delivered . Always in simple yet universal, and spiritual form that is

given in just the first two sessions. For me who has studied Jyotish for many

years, (I think it is about 6!!) and attended many SJC conferences worldwide,

.......................It is a Godsend!!> > The reason is, is that JIVA finally

puts all that golden knowledge into conscious order!! Willa, who delivers the

course , is very thorough by nature, and she has managed to work ,work and work

with the JIVA team , on guruji's dictims until the order is refined and defined.

The Guna and Tattwas take precedence, so the more universal leads , Samashti to

the Vyashti NOT the other way around as in so many other courses available

today in vedic astrology. This is the true direction of jyotish, as it

establishes Advaita from the

beginning and then differentiates. It is also why the actual presence of your

teacher will be much more easily effective. Somehow some gift from the Rishis

has blessed JIVA, as i have found deep and conscious learning taking place,

despite the distance. Sanjay and his JIVA team seem to have achieved almost the

impossible, as every subtle gap in my knowledge is being nourished to reveal

deep understanding beneath. We are up to session 3 and> planets have not yet

been covered!! Session two included Panchanga, with the play of Tattwas and

gunas amongst vara, Tithi, nakshatra, Yoga and Karana.!!> > Some may ask how

can this be beginner material? > Well the Rishis have the last word, as I found

all the students keeping up with Guruji on our weekend conference call!!> It

also means all the conscious study that everyone on this list and others , have

done has helped bring this great fruit of the tradition into being!! JIVA is a

whole new impulse

for SJC and it is a very great credit to those who have gone before, and those

with it today. Already I have reccomended the course to other students, and

they too have enroled and come under the care of its impulse. When you study on

your own, so far away, it is not always easy to keep the BIG picture and

Guruji's shakti in view. JIVA does this with its structure, its content, and

its delivery. Even the On line Powerpoint displays follow the same flow of

consciousness, and a student can replay the lecture, whilst pulling up all his

charts that promote a question. Yes, there are some advantages of this modern

age! But for me the real test came when i listened to Guruji on the conference

call. ( 1:30am NZlocal time, Kali's hour) I heard the questions and the

understanding from> beginner students from all around the world.It was

breathtaking!! As Sanjay being Sanjay delivered a brilliant explaination of

guna and dharma, that I am STILL thinking about, yet one student

clicked with instantly!!> > I hope those of you who read this, know of keen

spiritual learners of Jyotish that need this foundation grounding, and will

reccomend JIVA. By doing this you are honouring not only Guruji, and SJC but

the Rishi's that have so clearly been the vidya behind it.> > May Jagannath

continue to Bless Our studies> In grateful thanks,> > Rosemary Innes-Jones> SJC

New Zealand> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of

the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > SPONSORED

LINKS > Vedic Vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish

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group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an

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Dear Michal,

Namaskar. Marana karaka sthana means that house where

the karakatva of graha is opposite to the function it is asked to meet. Shukra

in MKS in 6th house as 6th house is house of celibacy/bachelor hood and Shukra

is asked to do that job which is contrary to its usual want. How can we

translate that to the Divisional chart of learning ? Some only take the

concerned graha which is applicable to the divisional chart. Example, Budha in

the D-10 etc. I have heard that it is said that the MKS should be taken from

the concerned bhava. Eg. consider Budha in the 4th from 4th house etc in D-24.

I am not sure of this dictum and SJC standpoint in this regard.

Badhaka has the power to give or remove troubles depending upon its

malefic/benefic associations. Here, Shukra is free.

Use D-24 Narayana Dasa. Your 16 years age elapsed when the middle one-third of

the Makara Dasa was operating and when retrograde Shani was giving effect.

Check Shani's avastha, house it owns and house it occupies from Lagna, 4th

house, 4th lord and karaka. This is the period when Chandra antar was running.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==============================================================

, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:>>

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]> > Dear Sourav,> > Your discussion is always welcome.

Sometimes you can be a bit wordy, but your observations have a lot of focus and

intelligence.> > A question of course:> Why is Marana Karaka Sthana not

recognised in this divisional chart? Other states such as

exaltation/debilitation etc. are recognised so why omit this one?> > >For

Divisional chart, appropriate karaka and bhava are important.> > Karaka Mercury

(Learning) is strong in its exaltation, in the 8th house, which is probably not

bad for occult study, so learning is not a problem.> > Bhava is aspected by

Rahu and Saturn by Graha drsti, and by Moon and Venus by Rasi drsti. Venus is

also Badhakesh, and Moon is in Badhak sthana as well as being 6th lord. During

Moon antar dasa I failed at everything, even attendence in the classroom. > >

However up to 16 years of age I was a model student getting the best grades in

the school. Isn't 16 the natural age of Venus?> > So would you say that Venus

as badhakesh is the culprit rather than it being in dusthana?> > Respectfully,>

Michal> > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]> > Sourav souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama

Krishna ||> Dear Michal,> Namaskar. Sorry to hear about your situation and

desires. However, if it helps to know, most of us are in your situation and

direct guidence only comes from books, mp3s and . Other than that

Siksha mantra is the best guidence if Guru is not available in person. Siksha

mantra can reveal everything in time. It is Mahamantra.> In your chart, permit

me to discuss a bit, Shukra is lord of 4th house has some weakness owing to its

rasi sandhi position. Budha is 8th lord and karaka for learning and its presence

in the 4th (MKS) is not favourable for formal education. In D-24, which I must

hope you have rectified to this extent, Chandra in the 9th can give bachelor

level education in philosophical subjects. However, I do not recognize Shukra

to be in MKS in the chart. For Divisional chart, appropriate karaka and bhava

are important. The sixth house MKS of Shukra has a completly different context

and not applicable to D-24. Here, just take Shukra to be weak in dusthana and

Chandra and Shukra are in parivartana. UL (compromises) and A6

(struggles/hurdles) are in the 4th house and 9th house respectively. Besides,

the reigning Mahadasa was Rahu and it has virodhargala to 4th house and is a

maraka to the 9th house. Rahu Ketu always cause problems in education field.

Judge the antar dasas that you faced> struggles. Notice that Mangal and Surya

are two marakas to 4th lord and their bhuktis dont bode well. Guru is very

strong and staring at the 5th house of paravidya and will make you learn

sashtras and vedas. Besides, houses 2,5,8,11 are connected by

occupation/aspects and will make you a good jyotishi/occultist.> Hope you

didn't mind my discussion unsolicited.> Best wishes,> Sourav>

===================================================================> > --- In

, Michal Dziwulski nearmichal@ wrote:> >> > [ Hare

Rama Krsna ]> > > > Dear Rosemary,> > > > Indeed Jiva is a Godsend.

Unfortunately, I think I missed the boat for enrolling. Which may not be an

entirely conscious decision, if I may borrow the term, but something perhaps

more destined in the stars.> > > > Recently I examined my D24 chart. It has

Aquarius rising with Venus in MKS in the 6th house. Venus owns the 4th house of

formal education as well as the 9th house of higher studies, so naturally these

houses suffer. And suffer they have. When I saw this combination all the

struggle I had experienced in high school and University became abundantly

clear, and I realised that more informal, personal and self disciplined

teachings were more suited to me.> > > > In a way it feels like a bit of a

shame, because I am very attracted to the titles, logos and credentials that

all these formal institutions have to offer, including Jiva, but I always just

try to remember that for me it is not about the organisation and the letters

after a name, but about who (or what!) I am, and what good I can do with this

knowledge. So, with the books I revere, the audio material available, and the

discussions between students and gurus on the lists, I'll persevere.> > > > My

birth details - 7th May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.> > > > respectfully,> >

Michal Dziwulski > > B.A. History and Philosophy> > > > [ Om Namo Narayanaya ]>

> > > Rosemary Innes-Jones rf.innes-jones@ wrote: > > > > > > Om Gurave Namah> >

JIVA- A vote for Conscous Learning !! How blessed are we!> > To all those keen

Jyotish learners,> > > > Nothing beats the presence and attendance of a Jyotish

guru, to learn from our great parampara tradition. For those fortunate enough to

learn at their guru's feet and attend a class, you have been extremely blessed.>

> HOWEVER- for those of us learning from a distance, like me who is 000's of

miles from just about anywhere, Sanjay has started JIVA and SJERC.> > The

latest impulse, JIVA( www.jiva.us ) I recently joined as a student. I have been

truly amazed at the depth of advanced material delivered . Always in simple yet

universal, and spiritual form that is given in just the first two sessions. For

me who has studied Jyotish for many years, (I think it is about 6!!) and

attended many SJC conferences worldwide, ......................It is a

Godsend!!> > > > The reason is, is that JIVA finally puts all that golden

knowledge into conscious order!! Willa, who delivers the course , is very

thorough by nature, and she has managed to work ,work and work with the JIVA

team , on guruji's dictims until the order is refined and defined. The Guna and