Factors for suicide - a message posted in jyotish vidya

May 8, 2006

ear friend,

I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me tell

two general points with regard to the suicides:

The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native. Generally,

the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be severely

afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord should

be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the transit

chart also.

Hope this helps,

Kishore patnaik

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

>

> Dear Patrice and All,

>

> I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning behind

some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

>

> Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini Sun. I

often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also very

autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of the

depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their lives

that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came to

say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from the

depths of despair.

>

> Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

>

> Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and often

didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and the

majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

>

> Women during the war came out of the house and into the factory to

work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where women

wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was rationed, so

material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the uniform of

the War.

>

> Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept of "being

powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

and deferring roles.

>

> However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers were

raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of apathy.

And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming for

their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in the

workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

rules for civility out the window.

>

> So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it really

was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

very narcissistic.

>

> My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted sister,

but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one where

she provided this child with a better life and gave her opportunities

and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never been

able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any empathy

for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

with completely different experiences.

>

> I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then. She

like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and happiness.

>

> As Always,

> Uttara

>

> "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light,

not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened

about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To

Love: by Marianne Williamson

May 8, 2006

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Kishore, Namaskar

Check for Jupiter or Moon associating with the third from arudha lagna.

These give self-consciousness/willingness or emotional distress at the time

of death.

What is YOUR condition for balarishta? Also you haven't elaborated on your

timing of the birth of certain souls from your last mail.

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