Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Dear Visti, Thank you for your clarification about this. I find your explanation complicated, so I'll have to think about it carefully to try to get my head around it! I'm sure you're probabaly right, but at the moment I still can't see how we could get a coherent year and month- lord sequence using a true solar year counted from Creation. My edition of BPHS is indeed, as you say, not explicit, and I was relying on Raman's interpretation of it. As I understand it, you are clearly saying that Raman is wrong to say (in "Graha and Bhava Balas", p.42 item 59): "The Year and Month: The Hindus, for astrological purposes, consider a year and a month of 360 and 30 days repectively. They are neither solar, nor lunar, nor luni- solar". His interpretation of Parasara's way to calculate kaal-bala, where the year and month lords must be worked out by a calculation involving a division of shrishtyadi ahargana (days since Creation) by 360 ("the number of days in a year", as he says) must also be wrong. So I have to decide whose analysis to follow on this question! Thank you very much for your kind attention and patience. Graham , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Graham, Namaskar > I've looked at the sloka about kala bala, and it seems you must have the > Sharma edition? The calculation that you mention is about calculating the > Varsha, Masa, Dina and Hora Bala, i.e. Year, Month, Day and Hour strength. > Here the point is to find the planet lording that particular year, month, > day, etc. and by virtue of its lordship it gains strength. > > How to do this is then referred to in Surya Siddhanta by Sharma, because > PARASARA DOESN'T SAY HOW. When referring to Surya Siddhanta i see that the > sloka qouted in BPHS by Sharma is very abridged. Infact the calculation > details finding the ammount of days passed since the creation. Here the > yugas are initially added, converted into months, added to the lunar/solar > months which are again converted into savana months and lastly into days and > thus also savana days (as savana days imply the visible day). > By performing such a conversion at the time of the suns entry into Aries or > ones sunsign, one can find the planet lording the year and month > respectively, based on the weekday at that time. The planet lording the day > is the weekday of birth itself. > However, this doesn't mean that savana years were used to calculate the > yugas and all, but are again used in conversion to figure out the visible > day for sake of judging the weekday lords. > So the argument about kala bala cannot be accepted based on this. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > *** > > > [] On > Behalf Of Graham Fox > 17 March 2006 13:13 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days? > > Dear Swee, > Thank you for this clarification, which gives weight to the argument > for using solar sidereal year in a number of cases: I notice that > number of days in Maha yuga as per Narada Purana works out at very > close to 4,320,000 sidereal solar years, whereas the figure for > savana years is less coherent. And of course, planetary positions > must be calculated as per sidereal positions as in sidereal solar > year (I don't think anybody questions that). The sloka does not > specifically say that the year "shares" of vimsottari dasa are to be > calculated with solar sidereal year, but this does indeed seem a > likely implication of the meaning of these slokas. > There is just the problem that Parasara calculates kaal bala using a > 360 day year, counted from Creation (not a solar year), so he must > be working in some other system of yuga. > > Also, your slokas from the Purana indicate that: > > "grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH| > vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111|| > > Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar > Measure > Pregnancy and rainy season, reckon them from Savana - Civil measure." > > This seems strange. If people had tried to reckon rainy season using > the savana year, they would very quickly have got into difficulty, > as after just 6 years their calculations would have been more than > one month out of phase with the seasons (and they would thus be > expecting the rainy season at the wrong time). > > Thanks again for the information. > Graham > > > , "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote: > > > > > > "Gopijana-vallabha-caranau sharanam prapadye." > > "Namo gopijana-vallabhabhyam" > > > > Dear Raghunatha, > > Namaste > > > > I am repeating the sloka below for your attention yet again. > > > > grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH| > > vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111|| > > > > Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar > Measure. > > > > In Narada Purana, Chapter 55 sloka 70 - There are 1,577,917,828 > terrestrial > > days in a maha yuga. The time from sunrise to sunrise is a > terrestrial civil > > day - bhumi-savana -vasara. > > > > Sanjay ji has always recommended the 360 deg solar year. My > timings are all > > based on this setting. > > > > Love, > > Swee > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa] On > Behalf Of > > Raghunatha RaoNemani > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45 PM > > sohamsa > > Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days? > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > Namaste Swee Ji, > > > > I have been looking for some pointers / answer to this particular > > question too. Let me give you a link, where Narasimha Ji had asked > a > > question about 4 years ago about this. Please look at the link and > see > > if you or other Gurus can answer to his question, as I do not see > any > > answer to his question in the archives. > > > > vedic astrology/message/8282 > > > > Regards > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > sohamsa, "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote: > > > > > Namaste > > > i am not writing full sloka from my notes. > > > > > Below are the slokas. Please counter check as these slokas are > from > > the Naradiya Purana itself and not from the Naradiya Samhita as > > indicated by > you. > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > Links > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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