Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

[Guest guest]

Dear Swee,

Thank you for this clarification, which gives weight to the argument

for using solar sidereal year in a number of cases: I notice that

number of days in Maha yuga as per Narada Purana works out at very

close to 4,320,000 sidereal solar years, whereas the figure for

savana years is less coherent. And of course, planetary positions

must be calculated as per sidereal positions as in sidereal solar

year (I don't think anybody questions that). The sloka does not

specifically say that the year "shares" of vimsottari dasa are to be

calculated with solar sidereal year, but this does indeed seem a

likely implication of the meaning of these slokas.

There is just the problem that Parasara calculates kaal bala using a

360 day year, counted from Creation (not a solar year), so he must

be working in some other system of yuga.

 

Also, your slokas from the Purana indicate that:

 

"grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

 

Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura – Solar

Measure

Pregnancy and rainy season, reckon them from Savana - Civil measure."

 

This seems strange. If people had tried to reckon rainy season using

the savana year, they would very quickly have got into difficulty,

as after just 6 years their calculations would have been more than

one month out of phase with the seasons (and they would thus be

expecting the rainy season at the wrong time).

 

Thanks again for the information.

Graham

 

 

, "Swee Chan" <swee wrote:

>

>

> "Gopijana-vallabha-caranau sharanam prapadye."

> "Namo gopijana-vallabhabhyam"

>

> Dear Raghunatha,

> Namaste

>

> I am repeating the sloka below for your attention yet again.

>

> grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

> vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

>

> Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar

Measure.

>

> In Narada Purana, Chapter 55 sloka 70 - There are 1,577,917,828

terrestrial

> days in a maha yuga. The time from sunrise to sunrise is a

terrestrial civil

> day - bhumi-savana -vasara.

>

> Sanjay ji has always recommended the 360 deg solar year. My

timings are all

> based on this setting.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa] On

Behalf Of

> Raghunatha RaoNemani

> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Swee Ji,

>

> I have been looking for some pointers / answer to this particular

> question too. Let me give you a link, where Narasimha Ji had asked

a

> question about 4 years ago about this. Please look at the link and

see

> if you or other Gurus can answer to his question, as I do not see

any

> answer to his question in the archives.

>

> vedic astrology/message/8282

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> sohamsa, "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote:

>

> > Namaste

> > i am not writing full sloka from my notes.

>

> > Below are the slokas. Please counter check as these slokas are

from

> the Naradiya Purana itself and not from the Naradiya Samhita as

> indicated by > you.

>

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

>

*tat savitur varenyam*

> Links

>

[Guest guest]

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Graham, Namaskar

I've looked at the sloka about kala bala, and it seems you must have the

Sharma edition? The calculation that you mention is about calculating the

Varsha, Masa, Dina and Hora Bala, i.e. Year, Month, Day and Hour strength.

Here the point is to find the planet lording that particular year, month,

day, etc. and by virtue of its lordship it gains strength.

 

How to do this is then referred to in Surya Siddhanta by Sharma, because

PARASARA DOESN'T SAY HOW. When referring to Surya Siddhanta i see that the

sloka qouted in BPHS by Sharma is very abridged. Infact the calculation

details finding the ammount of days passed since the creation. Here the

yugas are initially added, converted into months, added to the lunar/solar

months which are again converted into savana months and lastly into days and

thus also savana days (as savana days imply the visible day).

By performing such a conversion at the time of the suns entry into Aries or

ones sunsign, one can find the planet lording the year and month

respectively, based on the weekday at that time. The planet lording the day

is the weekday of birth itself.

However, this doesn't mean that savana years were used to calculate the

yugas and all, but are again used in conversion to figure out the visible

day for sake of judging the weekday lords.

So the argument about kala bala cannot be accepted based on this.

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[] On

Behalf Of Graham Fox

17 March 2006 13:13

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

 

Dear Swee,

Thank you for this clarification, which gives weight to the argument

for using solar sidereal year in a number of cases: I notice that

number of days in Maha yuga as per Narada Purana works out at very

close to 4,320,000 sidereal solar years, whereas the figure for

savana years is less coherent. And of course, planetary positions

must be calculated as per sidereal positions as in sidereal solar

year (I don't think anybody questions that). The sloka does not

specifically say that the year "shares" of vimsottari dasa are to be

calculated with solar sidereal year, but this does indeed seem a

likely implication of the meaning of these slokas.

There is just the problem that Parasara calculates kaal bala using a

360 day year, counted from Creation (not a solar year), so he must

be working in some other system of yuga.

 

Also, your slokas from the Purana indicate that:

 

"grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

 

Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar

Measure

Pregnancy and rainy season, reckon them from Savana - Civil measure."

 

This seems strange. If people had tried to reckon rainy season using

the savana year, they would very quickly have got into difficulty,

as after just 6 years their calculations would have been more than

one month out of phase with the seasons (and they would thus be

expecting the rainy season at the wrong time).

 

Thanks again for the information.

Graham

 

 

, "Swee Chan" <swee wrote:

>

>

> "Gopijana-vallabha-caranau sharanam prapadye."

> "Namo gopijana-vallabhabhyam"

>

> Dear Raghunatha,

> Namaste

>

> I am repeating the sloka below for your attention yet again.

>

> grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

> vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

>

> Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar

Measure.

>

> In Narada Purana, Chapter 55 sloka 70 - There are 1,577,917,828

terrestrial

> days in a maha yuga. The time from sunrise to sunrise is a

terrestrial civil

> day - bhumi-savana -vasara.

>

> Sanjay ji has always recommended the 360 deg solar year. My

timings are all

> based on this setting.

>

> Love,

> Swee

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa] On

Behalf Of

> Raghunatha RaoNemani

> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

>

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Swee Ji,

>

> I have been looking for some pointers / answer to this particular

> question too. Let me give you a link, where Narasimha Ji had asked

a

> question about 4 years ago about this. Please look at the link and

see

> if you or other Gurus can answer to his question, as I do not see

any

> answer to his question in the archives.

>

> vedic astrology/message/8282

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> sohamsa, "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote:

>

> > Namaste

> > i am not writing full sloka from my notes.

>

> > Below are the slokas. Please counter check as these slokas are

from

> the Naradiya Purana itself and not from the Naradiya Samhita as

> indicated by > you.

>

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

>

*tat savitur varenyam*

> Links

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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