Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Hello Rafel ji, what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way to read the chart. Thanks and Regards Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Tarun, 1. Bhava Chalit chakra is about perception, and Rasi is about Satya. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo <> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:24 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. > Hello Rafel ji, > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way > to read the chart. > > Thanks and Regards > Tarun > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Did i give you such a simple answer in the past? Are you trying to make sutras? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 14 March 2006 08:40 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. Dear Tarun, 1. Bhava Chalit chakra is about perception, and Rasi is about Satya. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo <> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:24 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. > Hello Rafel ji, > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way > to read the chart. > > Thanks and Regards > Tarun > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Guruji, I wrote it inspired by Your answer on mail few days ago to Sunil. You wrote that Bhava Chalit is about perception and this can influence our lives. This happened when lagna is close to border and one can percieve oneself as somewhat different from reality (Rasi). Sanjay also wrote it is how Mana reacts to aspects of the Lagna. Chalit chakra is definition of sandhya as 2 and half ghati before and after sunrise/sunset. Its said its also about astra plane and its influence Its also was described as light of atma. Hope its better now, Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Visti Larsen" <visti <> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:37 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > Did i give you such a simple answer in the past? Are you trying to make > sutras? > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > *** > > > [] > On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 14 March 2006 08:40 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. > > Dear Tarun, > > 1. Bhava Chalit chakra is about perception, and Rasi is about Satya. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo > <> > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:24 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Chalit chakra. > > >> Hello Rafel ji, >> >> what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. >> >> Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way >> to read the chart. >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Tarun >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading >> today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tarun, Let me attempt to give my understanding. Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book. Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Raghunatha Rao , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Hello Rafel ji, what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way to read the chart. Thanks and Regards Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Visti ji, Rafal ji, Ragunatha ji, Swami ji, What i found is that if a lagna is 15.00 degress and say lagna is libra...and at time the degree of any planet in zodiac is less than 15 degree than that certain planet changes its place in chalit chakra. in my birth chart .. my lagna is 2deg30min. and sun is in cancer in lagna chart with 2deg 22 min latitude. but in chalit it goes to gemini. because it is 8 degrees less than the lagna degree. Sir my basic question is what is the way to read chalit and what is the diff in prediction should be observed. Thanks Tarun Swami Daivyaga wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001 India Ph +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- Raghunatha RaoNemani To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tarun, Let me attempt to give my understanding. Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book. Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Raghunatha Rao , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Hello Rafel ji, what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way to read the chart. Thanks and Regards Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Tarunji, what i read tells me Sun goes to Xii th house so results of house placemnt are to read as Sun is posited in XII house.That is Your Sun is not to be taken in Lagna. As already hinted lordship and functional qualities will be judged as per rasi chakra. It for example in your chart "if on II nd house cusp any degree of leo rises" it will be read that Lord of second house has gone to twelvth house.It is cusp that will decide lordship. But For yoga and other consideration like functional qualities sun will be treated as lord of Second that is lord of neutral house irrespective of what degree rises on cusp of IIndhouse.It was used to be categorised as less benefic. Please re read summary of rules. Hope concept is clear. in case of still you have a doubt feel free but please write your birth data and spell your doubt. Please bear with my poor composition . HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - ~Tarun~ Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:16 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Dear Visti ji, Rafal ji, Ragunatha ji, Swami ji,What i found is that if a lagna is 15.00 degress and say lagna is libra...and at time the degree of any planet in zodiac is less than 15 degree than that certain planet changes its place in chalit chakra.in my birth chart .. my lagna is 2deg30min. and sun is in cancer in lagna chart with 2deg 22 min latitude.but in chalit it goes to gemini. because it is 8 degrees less than the lagna degree.Sir my basic question is what is the way to read chalit and what is the diff in prediction should be observed.Thanks Tarun Swami Daivyaga wrote: II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Swami ji, Namaskar. Sir i got your point and that makes me to conclude that if we intend to see any yoga then we must consider the chalit too because yogas are very specific. Sir in my case . date:-19-07-1983 place:- Jodhpur-india Time:- 10.35 am i am virgo rising. and i was trying to interpretate the diff in chalit and rashi chakra. Because i read somewhere abt the chalit and i was not getting any nice article abt that. Thanks and Regards Tarun Swami Daivyaga wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Tarunji, what i read tells me Sun goes to Xii th house so results of house placemnt are to read as Sun is posited in XII house.That is Your Sun is not to be taken in Lagna. As already hinted lordship and functional qualities will be judged as per rasi chakra. It for example in your chart "if on II nd house cusp any degree of leo rises" it will be read that Lord of second house has gone to twelvth house.It is cusp that will decide lordship. But For yoga and other consideration like functional qualities sun will be treated as lord of Second that is lord of neutral house irrespective of what degree rises on cusp of IIndhouse.It was used to be categorised as less benefic. Please re read summary of rules. Hope concept is clear. in case of still you have a doubt feel free but please write your birth data and spell your doubt. Please bear with my poor composition . HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001 India Ph +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- ~Tarun~ To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Dear Visti ji, Rafal ji, Ragunatha ji, Swami ji, What i found is that if a lagna is 15.00 degress and say lagna is libra...and at time the degree of any planet in zodiac is less than 15 degree than that certain planet changes its place in chalit chakra. in my birth chart .. my lagna is 2deg30min. and sun is in cancer in lagna chart with 2deg 22 min latitude. but in chalit it goes to gemini. because it is 8 degrees less than the lagna degree. Sir my basic question is what is the way to read chalit and what is the diff in prediction should be observed. Thanks Tarun Swami Daivyaga wrote: II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001 India Ph +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- Raghunatha RaoNemani To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna Guru Namaste Tarun, Let me attempt to give my understanding. Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book. Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Raghunatha Rao , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Hello Rafel ji, what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way to read the chart. Thanks and Regards Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 "Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear "Bookman Old Style"">Srivastava, Namaskar Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga 14 March 2006 14:04 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> II Om Gurave Namah II Hari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. 12.0pt">HARI OM TATSAT ------------------------ R.C.Srivastava Consulting Astrologer E-mail : swami_rcs 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001 India Ph +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768 http://www.cosmograce.com http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com ------------------------ margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- Raghunatha RaoNemani font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. 12.0pt"> Om Krishna Guru 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Namaste Tarun, Let me attempt to give my understanding. Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book. Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong. Regards Raghunatha Rao , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Hello Rafel ji, what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the way to read the chart. Thanks and Regards Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Visti-ji and others, namaskar. I have some questions on this topic: 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ? 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together. 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ? 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ? Best wishes, Sourav =================================================================--- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava> chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this> email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > _____ > > [] On> Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> 14 March 2006 14:04> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om , Friend,> > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal> > are enlightening.> > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit> chakra into consideration.> > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp> and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software> these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in> hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at> cusp so calculated.> > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya (> house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen> in rasi chart.> > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed> from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and> sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a> benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius> nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct> Hindu way.> > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied> keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets> form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart.> This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > Hope information is relevent.> > HARI OM TATSAT> ------------------------> R.C.Srivastava> Consulting Astrologer> E-mail : swami_rcs > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> Shaheed Nagar. > AGRA 282001> India> Ph +91-562-223-2323 > Mob +91 94122 68768> http://www.cosmograce.com> http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ------------------------> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Raghunatha <raon1008 RaoNemani > > To: > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Tarun,> > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > of this book.> > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > to correct me if I am wrong.> > Regards> Raghunatha Rao> > --- In , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote:> > Hello Rafel ji,> > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > way> to read the chart.> > Thanks and Regards> Tarun> > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Vedic> </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDevlqgA> > > Vedic> </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU4fmYDwY> rEv2UNA> astrology > > Free> </gads?t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5NzTK1sUgW> PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > Sjc> </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-c1XWsVsDlQ> > > Jyotish> </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJwPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > * Visit your group "> <> " on the web.> > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > _____> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together. [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ? [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2. The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15. 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ? [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3. Best wishes, Sourav =================================================================--- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava> chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this> email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > _____ > > [] On> Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> 14 March 2006 14:04> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> Hari om , Friend,> > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal> > are enlightening.> > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit> chakra into consideration.> > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp> and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software> these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in> hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at> cusp so calculated.> > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya (> house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen> in rasi chart.> > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed> from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and> sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a> benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius> nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct> Hindu way.> > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied> keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets> form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart.> This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > Hope information is relevent.> > HARI OM TATSAT> ------------------------> R.C.Srivastava> Consulting Astrologer> E-mail : swami_rcs > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> Shaheed Nagar. > AGRA 282001> India> Ph +91-562-223-2323 > Mob +91 94122 68768> http://www.cosmograce.com> http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> ------------------------> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Raghunatha <raon1008 RaoNemani > > To: > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > Om Krishna Guru> > Namaste Tarun,> > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > of this book.> > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > to correct me if I am wrong.> > Regards> Raghunatha Rao> > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote:> > Hello Rafel ji,> > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > way> to read the chart.> > Thanks and Regards> Tarun> > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Vedic> </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDevlqgA> > > Vedic> </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU4fmYDwY> rEv2UNA> astrology > > Free> </gads?t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5NzTK1sUgW> PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > Sjc> </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-c1XWsVsDlQ> > > Jyotish> </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJwPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > * Visit your group "> <> " on the web.> > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > _____> Mail Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Venkatesh, namaskar. Thank you for attempting to help me understand the consequences of bhava shifts. However, I am not understanding this clearly and my questions remain same. The drishti's strength does depend on degrees but when the bhava changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti-ji taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions. Best wishes, Sourav ==========================================================================================--- In , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:>> |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Sourav,> > Comments are below.> > Thanks,> S.Venkatesh> > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> Dear Visti-ji and others,> namaskar. I have some questions on this topic:> 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ?> > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together.> > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ?> [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2.> The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15.> 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ?> [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3.> > Best wishes,> Sourav> =================================================================> --- In , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:> >> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava> > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this> > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > http://astrovisti.com> > > > ***> > > > _____ > > > > [] On> > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> > Sent: 14 March 2006 14:04> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om , Friend,> > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal> > > > are enlightening.> > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit> > chakra into consideration.> > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp> > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software> > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in> > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at> > cusp so calculated.> > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya (> > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen> > in rasi chart.> > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed> > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and> > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a> > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius> > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct> > Hindu way.> > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied> > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets> > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart.> > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > > > Hope information is relevent.> > > > HARI OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > R.C.Srivastava> > Consulting Astrologer> > E-mail : swami_rcs@> > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> > Shaheed Nagar. > > AGRA 282001> > India> > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > Mob +91 94122 68768> > http://www.cosmograce.com> > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> > ------------------------> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > To: > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru> > > > Namaste Tarun,> > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > > of this book.> > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > > to correct me if I am wrong.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > > > --- In , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote:> > > > Hello Rafel ji,> > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > > way> > to read the chart.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > Tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic> > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDevlqgA> > > > > Vedic> > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU4fmYDwY> > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > Free> > </gads?t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5NzTK1sUgW> > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > Sjc> > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > Jyotish> > </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJwPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "> > <> " on the web.> > > > * To from this group, send an email to:> > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > _____> >> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Vedic Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Mail> Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 degrees but when the bhava changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti-ji taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions. Best wishes, Sourav ==========================================================================================--- In , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:>> |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Sourav,> > Comments are below.> > Thanks,> S.Venkatesh> > > > Sourav souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> Dear Visti-ji and others,> namaskar. I have some questions on this topic:> 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ?> > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together.> > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ?> [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2.> The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15.> 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ?> [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3.> > Best wishes,> Sourav> =================================================================> --- In , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:> >> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava> > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this> > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > http://astrovisti.com> > > > ***> > > > _____ > > > > [] On> > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> > 14 March 2006 14:04> > To: > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > Hari om , Friend,> > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal> > > > are enlightening.> > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit> > chakra into consideration.> > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp> > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software> > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in> > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at> > cusp so calculated.> > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya (> > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen> > in rasi chart.> > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed> > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and> > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a> > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius> > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct> > Hindu way.> > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied> > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets> > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart.> > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > > > Hope information is relevent.> > > > HARI OM TATSAT> > ------------------------> > R.C.Srivastava> > Consulting Astrologer> > E-mail : swami_rcs@> > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> > Shaheed Nagar. > > AGRA 282001> > India> > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > Mob +91 94122 68768> > http://www.cosmograce.com> > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> > ------------------------> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > To: > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru> > > > Namaste Tarun,> > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > > of this book.> > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > > to correct me if I am wrong.> > > > Regards> > Raghunatha Rao> > > > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote:> > > > Hello Rafel ji,> > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > > way> > to read the chart.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > Tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic> > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDevlqgA> > > > > Vedic> > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU4fmYDwY> > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > Free> > </gads?t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5NzTK1sUgW> > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > Sjc> > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > Jyotish> > </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJwPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "> > <> " on the web.> > > > * To from this group, send an email to:> > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > _____> >> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Vedic Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > Mail> Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Venkatesh, namaskar. Degree in Navamsa depends on the fraction of navamsa (or rasi that the graha is located in) elapsed. Degree in Dasamsa depends on fraction of dasamsa elapsed. But if we take the planet in a different house (in bhavachalita) but same rasi as per Rasi Chakra, then how do we calculate Ashtakavarga; how does bhava chalita concept interfere with divisional charts, how do we read rasi tulya varga (or should we read bhava chalit tylya varga instead ?) etc. These are some of the questions that are coming to my mind. This is because I am not understanding the bhavachalita concept clearly and how to use it with other techniques. I will await a definite answer from the Guru-ji's. Best wishes, Sourav =============================================================================== , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:>> |JAI SRIRAM|> > Dear Sourav,> > Do you have degrees for chalit chart.Is it in the Jhora.> > For all the D-charts Jhora gives the degrees so the principles are the same.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > Sourav souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> Dear Venkatesh,> namaskar. Thank you for attempting to help me understand the consequences of bhava shifts. However, I am not understanding this clearly and my questions remain same. The drishti's strength does depend on degrees but when the bhava changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti-ji taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions.> Best wishes,> Sourav> ==========================================================================================> , Venkatesh S ksvssvk@ wrote:> >> > |JAI SRIRAM|> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > Comments are below.> > > > Thanks,> > S.Venkatesh> > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Visti-ji and others,> > namaskar. I have some questions on this topic:> > 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ?> > > > > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together.> > > > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ?> > [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2.> > The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15.> > 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ?> > [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3.> > > > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> > --- In , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:> > >> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > > > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava> > > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this> > > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > ***> > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > > http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > ***> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On> > > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> > > 14 March 2006 14:04> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > Hari om , Friend,> > > > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal> > > > > > are enlightening.> > > > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > > > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > > > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit> > > chakra into consideration.> > > > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp> > > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software> > > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in> > > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> > > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at> > > cusp so calculated.> > > > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > > > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > > > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > > > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > > > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > > > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya (> > > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> > > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen> > > in rasi chart.> > > > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed> > > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and> > > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a> > > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius> > > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct> > > Hindu way.> > > > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied> > > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets> > > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart.> > > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > > > > > Hope information is relevent.> > > > > > HARI OM TATSAT> > > ------------------------> > > R.C.Srivastava> > > Consulting Astrologer> > > E-mail : swami_rcs@> > > > > > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> > > Shaheed Nagar. > > > AGRA 282001> > > India> > > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > > Mob +91 94122 68768> > > http://www.cosmograce.com> > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> > > ------------------------> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru> > > > > > Namaste Tarun,> > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > > > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > > > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > > > of this book.> > > > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > > > to correct me if I am wrong.> > > > > > Regards> > > Raghunatha Rao> > > > > > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote:> > > > > > Hello Rafel ji,> > > > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > > > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > > > way> > > to read the chart.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > Tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic> > > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> > > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDevlqgA> > > > > > > Vedic> > > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> > > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU4fmYDwY> > > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > > > Free> > > </gads?t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> > > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5NzTK1sUgW> > > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > Sjc> > > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> > > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > > > Jyotish> > > </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> > > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJwPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > ! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Respected Gurujan, The Rasi chart for every body born under that Lagna {approx two hours} will be identical ; meaning it will be identical for thousands of people; but their lives will not be identical. Bhav kundali or the Chalit kundali is an answer, to some extent, to this phenomena. The aspects are always measured through degrees ; it has nothing to do with either Rasi or the bhav. BV Raman has a book on Grah Bal and Bhav bal. Similarly whether a planet is combust or not again depends on the distance of that planet from the Sun in terms of degrees, once again it has nothing to do with rasi or the bhav. Even if the Sun and the other planet are in two different Rasi , the other planet might still be combust if it falls within the combustion degrees. With naman to all gurujan, Varun Trivedi , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote: > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > Dear Sourav, > > Do you have degrees for chalit chart.Is it in the Jhora. > > For all the D-charts Jhora gives the degrees so the principles are the same. > > Regards, > S.Venkatesh > > Sourav <souravc108 wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || > Dear Venkatesh, > namaskar. Thank you for attempting to help me understand the consequences of bhava shifts. However, I am not understanding this clearly and my questions remain same. The drishti's strength does depend on degrees but when the bhava changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti-ji taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions. > Best wishes, > Sourav > ===================================================================== ===================== > , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk@> wrote: > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Comments are below. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Visti-ji and others, > > namaskar. I have some questions on this topic: > > 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ? > > > > > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a house to work together. > > > > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this case ? > > [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2. > > The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15. > > 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita Chakra ? > > [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3. > > > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================= > > , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar > > > > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use the bhava > > > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to refer to this > > > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga > > > 14 March 2006 14:04 > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II > > > Hari om , Friend, > > > > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal > > > > > > are enlightening. > > > > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted > > > > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. > > > > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit > > > chakra into consideration. > > > > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp > > > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software > > > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in > > > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by > > > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at > > > cusp so calculated. > > > > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had > > > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples. > > > > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. > > > > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. > > > > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart > > > > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. > > > > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( > > > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is > > > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen > > > in rasi chart. > > > > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed > > > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and > > > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a > > > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius > > > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct > > > Hindu way. > > > > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied > > > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets > > > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. > > > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. > > > > > > Hope information is relevent. > > > > > > HARI OM TATSAT > > > ------------------------ > > > R.C.Srivastava > > > Consulting Astrologer > > > E-mail : swami_rcs@ > > > > > > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" > > > Shaheed Nagar. > > > AGRA 282001 > > > India > > > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > > Mob +91 94122 68768 > > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > - > > > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > Namaste Tarun, > > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding. > > > > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However > > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. I > > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how > > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed > > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much > > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi > > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in > > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts > > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate > > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study > > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. > > > > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra > > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold > > > of this book. > > > > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji > > > to correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > Regards > > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rafel ji, > > > > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. > > > > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the > > > way > > > to read the chart. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr > > > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDev lqgA> > > > > > > Vedic > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro > > > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU 4fmYDwY > > > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > > > Free > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+ > > > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5Nz TK1sUgW > > > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > Sjc > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free > > > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt- c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > > > Jyotish > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3= > > > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJ wPEOiQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > > <> " on the web. > > > > > > * > > > > > > <? subject=Un> > > > > > > * > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Varun, namaskar. We use Amsas and Vargas to see the differences between people born at approximately same time. Maharshi Parasara gave greatest stress on Shastiamsas. With Bhavachalit concept there is again no way to differentiate twins/triplets born within a few mins. Similarly, there are hundreds if not thousands of people who are born in a given 15 mins window in a city. Bhavachalita chakra may be same for them even. I am sceptical about "to some extent" kind of answers; there should be very clear cut rules that applies in all situations and in all charts. I had the same idea that combustion is a physical phenomenon and should depend on longitudes but I was taught differently by Visti-ji. Hence I posed this question also. I want to know how far this Bhavachalit concept can be stretched and if so, how to mix it with vargas, if it could be. Again, I am just trying to understand. Best wishes, Sourav ============================================================================================ I am not challenging Bhavachalita's applicability. But I am posing certain questions which will help me understand this concept. , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Gurujan,> > The Rasi chart for every body born under that Lagna {approx two > hours} will be identical ; meaning it will be identical for > thousands of people; but their lives will not be identical.> Bhav kundali or the Chalit kundali is an answer, to some extent, to > this phenomena.> The aspects are always measured through degrees ; it has nothing to > do with either Rasi or the bhav.> BV Raman has a book on Grah Bal and Bhav bal.> > Similarly whether a planet is combust or not again depends on the > distance of that planet from the Sun in terms of degrees, once again > it has nothing to do with rasi or the bhav. Even if the Sun and the > other planet are in two different Rasi , the other planet might > still be combust if it falls within the combustion degrees.> > With naman to all gurujan,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > , Venkatesh S ksvssvk@ wrote:> >> > |JAI SRIRAM|> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > Do you have degrees for chalit chart.Is it in the Jhora.> > > > For all the D-charts Jhora gives the degrees so the > principles are the same.> > > > Regards,> > S.Venkatesh> > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Venkatesh,> > namaskar. Thank you for attempting > to help me understand the consequences of bhava shifts. However, I > am not understanding this clearly and my questions remain same. The > drishti's strength does depend on degrees but when the bhava > changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, > just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with > yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti-ji > taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in > different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to > be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me > are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what > happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > > =====================================================================> =====================> > , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk@> wrote:> > >> > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > > > Comments are below.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > S.Venkatesh> > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > Dear Visti-ji and others,> > > namaskar. I have some questions on this topic:> > > 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then > how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ?> > > > > > > > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take > yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a > house to work together.> > > > > > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted > by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance > must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not > considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > > > > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH > Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this > case ?> > > [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti > between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are > within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out > or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha > Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2.> > > The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect > well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi > and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not > able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15.> > > 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a > graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita > Chakra ?> > > [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > Sourav> > > =================================================================> > > --- In , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote:> > > >> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar> > > > > > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use > the bhava> > > > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to > refer to this> > > > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > > > http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > [] On> > > > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga> > > > 14 March 2006 14:04> > > > To: > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II> > > > Hari om , Friend,> > > > > > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti > and Rafal> > > > > > > > are enlightening.> > > > > > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted> > > > > > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji.> > > > > > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed > taking chalit> > > > chakra into consideration.> > > > > > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes > of House cusp> > > > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not > always.No software> > > > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In > those days in> > > > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by> > > > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based > on sign at> > > > cusp so calculated.> > > > > > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his > book he had > > > > > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples.> > > > > > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below.> > > > > > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied.> > > > > > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart> > > > > > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its > bhava madhya (> > > > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is> > > > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be > venus as seen> > > > in rasi chart.> > > > > > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is > always reconed> > > > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos > ascendent fifth and> > > > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not > become a> > > > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for > Saggitarius> > > > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. > this is correct> > > > Hindu way.> > > > > > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But > it is studied> > > > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose > two planets> > > > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in > chalit chart.> > > > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified.> > > > > > > > Hope information is relevent.> > > > > > > > HARI OM TATSAT> > > > ------------------------> > > > R.C.Srivastava> > > > Consulting Astrologer> > > > E-mail : swami_rcs@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"> > > > Shaheed Nagar. > > > > AGRA 282001> > > > India> > > > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > > > Mob +91 94122 68768> > > > http://www.cosmograce.com> > > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com> > > > ------------------------> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM> > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru> > > > > > > > Namaste Tarun,> > > > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding.> > > > > > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. > However > > > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. > I > > > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and > see how > > > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is > placed > > > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that > much > > > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava > sandhi > > > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of > placement in > > > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the > charts > > > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more > accurate > > > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my > study > > > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.> > > > > > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita > Chakra > > > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can > get hold > > > > of this book.> > > > > > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request > Visti Ji > > > > to correct me if I am wrong.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Raghunatha Rao> > > > > > > > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello Rafel ji,> > > > > > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.> > > > > > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what > is the > > > > way> > > > to read the chart.> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Tarun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna'> > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > said that the> > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic> > > > </gads?> t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr> > > > > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDev> lqgA> > > > > > > > > Vedic> > > > </gads?> t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro> > > > > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU> 4fmYDwY> > > > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > > > > > Free> > > > </gads?> t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+> > > > > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5Nz> TK1sUgW> > > > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Sjc> > > > </gads?> t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free> > > > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt-> c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > > > > > Jyotish> > > > </gads?> t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=> > > > > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJ> wPEOiQ>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "> > > > <> " on the web.> > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > <?> subject=Un> > > > > > > > > * > > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals.> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail> > > Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Respected Saurav ji, I knew you would bring up the shastiansh in the discussion. In the first place it is not true that " Maharshi Parashar gave greatest stress on Shastiansh" . In the book ` Varga Chakra' edited by shri Sanjay Rath he says " this division finds mention in the Dasha Varg and the Shodas Varg schemes" { page 133 , ch: 9 } . Now to say " finds mention" is not saying " greatest stress". Secondly, Shastiansh is used for the past , once again quoting your guru ji Shri Sanjay Rath ji," it is the last chart in the series and refers to the 12th house or the past like the dwadashansh" { page 133, ch : 9 } Therefore , the shastiansh could be used to differentiate two birth only to a very limited purpose and that too for the past. With Naman to all gurujan, Varun Trivedi , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Varun, > > namaskar. We use Amsas and Vargas to see the > differences between people born at approximately same time. Maharshi > Parasara gave greatest stress on Shastiamsas. With Bhavachalit concept > there is again no way to differentiate twins/triplets born within a few > mins. Similarly, there are hundreds if not thousands of people who are > born in a given 15 mins window in a city. Bhavachalita chakra may be > same for them even. I am sceptical about "to some extent" kind of > answers; there should be very clear cut rules that applies in all > situations and in all charts. > > I had the same idea that combustion is a physical phenomenon and should > depend on longitudes but I was taught differently by Visti-ji. Hence I > posed this question also. I want to know how far this Bhavachalit > concept can be stretched and if so, how to mix it with vargas, if it > could be. > > Again, I am just trying to understand. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== ===\ > ==================== > > > > I am not challenging Bhavachalita's applicability. But I am posing > certain questions which will help me understand this concept. > > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> > wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujan, > > > > The Rasi chart for every body born under that Lagna {approx two > > hours} will be identical ; meaning it will be identical for > > thousands of people; but their lives will not be identical. > > Bhav kundali or the Chalit kundali is an answer, to some extent, to > > this phenomena. > > The aspects are always measured through degrees ; it has nothing to > > do with either Rasi or the bhav. > > BV Raman has a book on Grah Bal and Bhav bal. > > > > Similarly whether a planet is combust or not again depends on the > > distance of that planet from the Sun in terms of degrees, once again > > it has nothing to do with rasi or the bhav. Even if the Sun and the > > other planet are in two different Rasi , the other planet might > > still be combust if it falls within the combustion degrees. > > > > With naman to all gurujan, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Venkatesh S ksvssvk@ wrote: > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > Do you have degrees for chalit chart.Is it in the Jhora. > > > > > > For all the D-charts Jhora gives the degrees so the > > principles are the same. > > > > > > Regards, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > Dear Venkatesh, > > > namaskar. Thank you for attempting > > to help me understand the consequences of bhava shifts. However, I > > am not understanding this clearly and my questions remain same. The > > drishti's strength does depend on degrees but when the bhava > > changes, where does that drishti fall (w/o thinking of degrees, > > just think about special full aspects given by Parasara). Same with > > yogas/combustion/astakavarga/divisional Chart questions . Visti- ji > > taught me that is Sun and Me, for example, are close but in > > different houses in Rasi Chart, Me is not combust as they have to > > be in the same house in Rasi Chart. Now if in BH Chart Su and Me > > are in the same house, shall we say Me is combust ? Also, what > > happens to Arudhas? There are many such questions. > > > Best wishes, > > > Sourav > > > > > ===================================================================== > > ===================== > > > , Venkatesh S <ksvssvk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > > > Comments are below. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav souravc108@ wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Visti-ji and others, > > > > namaskar. I have some questions on this topic: > > > > 1. If we use house positions from Bhava chalita Chakra, then > > how will Rasi tulya Navamsa and Navamsa Tulya Rasi be applicable ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. If we have yogas annulled in Rasi Chart, then should we take > > yogas in BH Chakra ? Yogas are two grahas who come together in a > > house to work together. > > > > > > > > [Venkatesh] : Conjunction between two or more planets calculted > > by degrees.If two or more planets are together then the distance > > must between those planets are within 12 deg.Otherwise it is not > > considered as conjoined. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 32. > > > > > > > > 3. If curses are applicable in Rasi Chart and considering BH > > Chakra, there are no curses, will we consider the curses in this > > case ? > > > > [Venkatesh] : Curses are calculated by the graha drishti > > between planets.Here also the distance between the planets are > > within 10 deg(above or below) is needed for the drishti to work out > > or oterwise there is no use in that drishti. Uttarkalamirtha > > Chapter 2 sloka : 181/2 - 191/2. > > > > The planet which is in the middle of the rasi is able to aspect > > well and if the those planets in the beginning or end of the rasi > > and the planets which are defeated in the war,combusted is alos not > > able to aspect. Uttarkalamirtha Chapter 4 sloka : 15. > > > > 4. What do we do with aspects - graha and rasi drishtis if a > > graha changes bhava position between Rasi Chakra and Bhava Chalita > > Chakra ? > > > > [Venkatesh] : Same answer as Que3. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================= > > > > , "Visti Larsen" visti@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > Dear Srivastava, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > Your summary of rules is EXACTLY the way i was taught to use > > the bhava > > > > > chalit chakra. I fully support this and encourage everyone to > > refer to this > > > > > email in the future for understanding the bhava chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > > > Behalf Of Swami Daivyaga > > > > > 14 March 2006 14:04 > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > II Om Gurave Namah II > > > > > Hari om , Friend, > > > > > > > > > > Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti > > and Rafal > > > > > > > > > > are enlightening. > > > > > > > > > > How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted > > > > > > > > > > By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. > > > > > > > > > > In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed > > taking chalit > > > > > chakra into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes > > of House cusp > > > > > and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not > > always.No software > > > > > these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In > > those days in > > > > > hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by > > > > > numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based > > on sign at > > > > > cusp so calculated. > > > > > > > > > > Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his > > book he had > > > > > > > > > > demonstrated utility by worked out examples. > > > > > > > > > > Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. > > > > > > > > > > In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. > > > > > > > > > > (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart > > > > > > > > > > (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its > > bhava madhya ( > > > > > house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is > > > > > scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be > > venus as seen > > > > > in rasi chart. > > > > > > > > > > (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is > > always reconed > > > > > from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos > > ascendent fifth and > > > > > sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not > > become a > > > > > benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for > > Saggitarius > > > > > nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. > > this is correct > > > > > Hindu way. > > > > > > > > > > (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But > > it is studied > > > > > keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose > > two planets > > > > > form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in > > chalit chart. > > > > > This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. > > > > > > > > > > Hope information is relevent. > > > > > > > > > > HARI OM TATSAT > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > R.C.Srivastava > > > > > Consulting Astrologer > > > > > E-mail : swami_rcs@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa" > > > > > Shaheed Nagar. > > > > > AGRA 282001 > > > > > India > > > > > Ph +91-562-223-2323 > > > > > Mob +91 94122 68768 > > > > > http://www.cosmograce.com > > > > > http://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Raghunatha <raon1008@ RaoNemani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Krishna Guru > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Tarun, > > > > > > > > > > Let me attempt to give my understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. > > However > > > > > their scope of influence in determining results are different. > > I > > > > > would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and > > see how > > > > > close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is > > placed > > > > > to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that > > much > > > > > strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava > > sandhi > > > > > then it will become ineffective in giving any result of > > placement in > > > > > a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents > > > > > confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the > > charts > > > > > for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more > > accurate > > > > > results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my > > study > > > > > is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet. > > > > > > > > > > I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita > > Chakra > > > > > in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can > > get hold > > > > > of this book. > > > > > > > > > > Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request > > Visti Ji > > > > > to correct me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Raghunatha Rao > > > > > > > > > > , ~Tarun~ tarun.virgo@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Rafel ji, > > > > > > > > > > what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what > > is the > > > > > way > > > > > to read the chart. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > Krishna' > > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > > said that the > > > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > </gads? > > t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Fr > > > > > > > ee+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=TFfY_0AVmaAw4qhDev > > lqgA> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > </gads? > > t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro > > > > > > > logy&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=EC27o4pU > > 4fmYDwY > > > > > rEv2UNA> astrology > > > > > > > > > > Free > > > > > </gads? > > t=ms&k=Free+vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+ > > > > > > > astrology&w3=Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=5Nz > > TK1sUgW > > > > > PYpsiOIYz9Qg> vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sjc > > > > > </gads? > > t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Free > > > > > +vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=LK0R4qI0eEt- > > c1XWsVsDlQ> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > </gads? > > t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3= > > > > > > > Free+vedic+astrology&w4=Sjc&w5=Jyotish&c=5&s=80&.sig=_AQUTPx5Xwom5CFJ > > wPEOiQ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > > > > <> " on the web. > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > <? > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > > said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for > > animals. > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > > > Bring photos to life! 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Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Thank you. Can you please attach chart or birth details of the example quoted by you in (1), 10L changing from Mars to Venus? My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change. Please correct me if this is not the case. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaThursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, Sorry i can not attach the chart. I am qouting ASc and long of Tenth house which i took for illustration as an example perhaps i had in mind when writing mail. i pulled out old hand made chart at random from some twenty year old cases file. I do not remeber whose chart it was I noted on scrappaper only this data.hope manually you can easily check in 5 minutes. AsC was 27 degree 20 Minutes of Capricorn. M.C. Was 19 Degree 4 Minutes or so of Scor. You may check up as many charts you like that are near 30 + - 5 degrees . "My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change" I can only request you to remain open if you are a student and just apply the pricipals of technique under exploration unless you have reached to stage of Expert OR RISI. I am only a humble student i work on all the methods taught by ancients and modern. I do not form any opinion and do not mix up basics of one system with others. If you can tolerate my small note , i humbly submit DO not apply jaimini or system analysis principles to chalit / Bhava nor there is need to apply Astak Varga unless you are doing Research. I frequently use Prasna, KP , System analysis , Jemini and couple of nadi principle and am hardly confused ever. Hope i am not preaching ,and you will kindly not traet my note offencing. May divine light bless us all. hope it helps. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, March 17, 2006 10:45 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Thank you. Can you please attach chart or birth details of the example quoted by you in (1), 10L changing from Mars to Venus? My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change. Please correct me if this is not the case. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaThursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, I tried altering lagna in my own chart. 2 examples are attached, one with Asc near 29 degrees in Leo and other with Asc near 2 degrees in same sign. I see that bhava madhyas of houses remain in the same sign and hence lords remain unchanged. Positions of planets however change and say 5L, Jupiter in one case is 5H and in 6H in another case. Case 1: Ramesh, 0930 July 31, 1949Time: 9:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaCase 2: Ramesh, 0730 July 31, 1949Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters I am a student, please feel free to correct me. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaFriday, March 17, 2006 2:49 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, Sorry i can not attach the chart. I am qouting ASc and long of Tenth house which i took for illustration as an example perhaps i had in mind when writing mail. i pulled out old hand made chart at random from some twenty year old cases file. I do not remeber whose chart it was I noted on scrappaper only this data.hope manually you can easily check in 5 minutes. AsC was 27 degree 20 Minutes of Capricorn. M.C. Was 19 Degree 4 Minutes or so of Scor. You may check up as many charts you like that are near 30 + - 5 degrees . "My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change" I can only request you to remain open if you are a student and just apply the pricipals of technique under exploration unless you have reached to stage of Expert OR RISI. I am only a humble student i work on all the methods taught by ancients and modern. I do not form any opinion and do not mix up basics of one system with others. If you can tolerate my small note , i humbly submit DO not apply jaimini or system analysis principles to chalit / Bhava nor there is need to apply Astak Varga unless you are doing Research. I frequently use Prasna, KP , System analysis , Jemini and couple of nadi principle and am hardly confused ever. Hope i am not preaching ,and you will kindly not traet my note offencing. May divine light bless us all. hope it helps. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, March 17, 2006 10:45 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Thank you. Can you please attach chart or birth details of the example quoted by you in (1), 10L changing from Mars to Venus? My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change. Please correct me if this is not the case. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaThursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Ramesh, 0930.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Ramesh, 0730.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji , Your observation is correct in instant cases? What precisely you are asking is not clear to me.Perhaps AreYou thinking in each and every case lordship will or should change? I wanted to send calculation in comphensive graphic cum word file with two more example apart from what you are trying in J hors :to drive at . I hope I am not irritating you. If you are interested please write your E mail address so that i can send zipped file. (Since attachment have graphical content the mail will be for you as zipped file goes to 500k.) I have described one incident both for Rajeeva Gandhi and Rehnquist illustrating why chalit too is sometimes helpful. I understand you can also make me understand what is your objection in using the concept. By the way i donot claim myself an expert ,except submitting that i am too a curious student . HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, March 17, 2006 3:45 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, I tried altering lagna in my own chart. 2 examples are attached, one with Asc near 29 degrees in Leo and other with Asc near 2 degrees in same sign. I see that bhava madhyas of houses remain in the same sign and hence lords remain unchanged. Positions of planets however change and say 5L, Jupiter in one case is 5H and in 6H in another case. Case 1: Ramesh, 0930 July 31, 1949Time: 9:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaCase 2: Ramesh, 0730 July 31, 1949Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters I am a student, please feel free to correct me. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaFriday, March 17, 2006 2:49 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, Sorry i can not attach the chart. I am qouting ASc and long of Tenth house which i took for illustration as an example perhaps i had in mind when writing mail. i pulled out old hand made chart at random from some twenty year old cases file. I do not remeber whose chart it was I noted on scrappaper only this data.hope manually you can easily check in 5 minutes. AsC was 27 degree 20 Minutes of Capricorn. M.C. Was 19 Degree 4 Minutes or so of Scor. You may check up as many charts you like that are near 30 + - 5 degrees . "My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change" I can only request you to remain open if you are a student and just apply the pricipals of technique under exploration unless you have reached to stage of Expert OR RISI. I am only a humble student i work on all the methods taught by ancients and modern. I do not form any opinion and do not mix up basics of one system with others. If you can tolerate my small note , i humbly submit DO not apply jaimini or system analysis principles to chalit / Bhava nor there is need to apply Astak Varga unless you are doing Research. I frequently use Prasna, KP , System analysis , Jemini and couple of nadi principle and am hardly confused ever. Hope i am not preaching ,and you will kindly not traet my note offencing. May divine light bless us all. hope it helps. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, March 17, 2006 10:45 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Thank you. Can you please attach chart or birth details of the example quoted by you in (1), 10L changing from Mars to Venus? My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change. Please correct me if this is not the case. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaThursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Learning a bit more about Chalita chakra, I realized that my understanding was incorrect and house lordships could be different too. JH software gives the co-ordinates of Bhava lagna, which I understand is calculated based on 'linear' movement of signs by the time elapsed, not exactly the same as normal lagna. Hence the bhava madhyas in some cases could shift to another sign. Wish the software could do it all....Sanjayji in a lecture that I heard recently calls Bhava Lagna as 'illusion of self'. Do write more about it when you get a chance. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Ramesh F. GangaramaniFriday, March 17, 2006 5:15 AMTo: Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, I tried altering lagna in my own chart. 2 examples are attached, one with Asc near 29 degrees in Leo and other with Asc near 2 degrees in same sign. I see that bhava madhyas of houses remain in the same sign and hence lords remain unchanged. Positions of planets however change and say 5L, Jupiter in one case is 5H and in 6H in another case. Case 1: Ramesh, 0930 July 31, 1949Time: 9:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaCase 2: Ramesh, 0730 July 31, 1949Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 13' 00", 22 N 18' 00" Baroda, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters I am a student, please feel free to correct me. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaFriday, March 17, 2006 2:49 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, Sorry i can not attach the chart. I am qouting ASc and long of Tenth house which i took for illustration as an example perhaps i had in mind when writing mail. i pulled out old hand made chart at random from some twenty year old cases file. I do not remeber whose chart it was I noted on scrappaper only this data.hope manually you can easily check in 5 minutes. AsC was 27 degree 20 Minutes of Capricorn. M.C. Was 19 Degree 4 Minutes or so of Scor. You may check up as many charts you like that are near 30 + - 5 degrees . "My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change" I can only request you to remain open if you are a student and just apply the pricipals of technique under exploration unless you have reached to stage of Expert OR RISI. I am only a humble student i work on all the methods taught by ancients and modern. I do not form any opinion and do not mix up basics of one system with others. If you can tolerate my small note , i humbly submit DO not apply jaimini or system analysis principles to chalit / Bhava nor there is need to apply Astak Varga unless you are doing Research. I frequently use Prasna, KP , System analysis , Jemini and couple of nadi principle and am hardly confused ever. Hope i am not preaching ,and you will kindly not traet my note offencing. May divine light bless us all. hope it helps. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Friday, March 17, 2006 10:45 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Thank you. Can you please attach chart or birth details of the example quoted by you in (1), 10L changing from Mars to Venus? My understanding is house lordships will remain unchanged in rashi and chalita charts, only placements can change. Please correct me if this is not the case. Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaThursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Dear Ramesh ji Nameste, I donot know about JHL but J Hora has it.In J hora please go to house menu right click and tick asc as middle and sripati options. select lower chart , two chartsaredisplayed if your monitor has higher resolution right click and select bhava chalit.Displayed chart will have (B) written on topof it. It is a breeze now to compare which planets have changed positions. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Ramesh F. Gangaramani Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:50 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. || Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat || Dear Shri Srivastava, Does JHL have an option to check these quickly? Best Wishes, Ramesh [] On Behalf Of Swami DaivyagaTuesday, March 14, 2006 8:04 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. II Om Gurave Namah IIHari om , Friend, Recent two mails on subject of chalit chakra between sh visti and Rafal are enlightening. How chalit chakra was used three decade ago is what is quoted By Shri Chugh who was disciple of Sh. Madan Editor of Babaji. In astrological Magazine calledBABAJI still cases are analysed taking chalit chakra into consideration. In northerntraitionally hand written charts carried longitudes of House cusp and sndhi both.sometimes bhava chakra was given but not always.No software these days displays bhava chakra as was tradionally done.In those days in hand written Chalit chkra sign rising on cusp was written by numerals.Therefore in many cases lordship reckoning was based on sign at cusp so calculated. Pdt Raghubir Vyas of Ahmedabad was very particular and in his book he had demonstrated utility by worked out examples. Old practise is summarised by Sh Chugh as below. In hindu or vedic astrology the following should be studied. (i) Sign position as in Rasi Chart (ii) House position as in chalit chakra. (1) the lord of a house is the lord of the sign where its bhava madhya ( house middle) falls.For example Bhava madhya of x th house is scorpio,therefore actual tenth lord is mars and shall not be venus as seen in rasi chart. (2) the functional malefics and Benefics for a nativity is always reconed from the rasi chart.For example , for a Saggaitariuos ascendent fifth and sixth house Bhava Madhya is in Taurus. Here , venus will not become a benefic by owning the fifth house. It remain a malefic for Saggitarius nativity as it owns 6 th and eleventh house in rasi chart. this is correct Hindu way. (3) In hindu astrology Rasi chart has itsown importance. But it is studied keeping house positions as per Chalit Chakra in Mind. suppose two planets form a Rajayoga in Rasi chart, but are not in combination in chalit chart. This means that Raja Yoga gets nullified. Hope information is relevent. HARI OM TATSAT------------------------R.C.SrivastavaConsulting AstrologerE-mail : swami_rcs 199,MMIG "Guru Kripa"Shaheed Nagar. AGRA 282001IndiaPh +91-562-223-2323 Mob +91 94122 68768http://www.cosmograce.comhttp://www.cosmograce.blogspot.com------------------------ - Raghunatha RaoNemani Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:38 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Chalit chakra. Om Krishna GuruNamaste Tarun,Let me attempt to give my understanding.Both Rasi Chart and Bhava / Chalita Charts are important. However their scope of influence in determining results are different. I would say, calculate the bhava madhya for all the houses and see how close a planet is placed near a bhava madhya. The closer it is placed to the bhava madhya,then it would influence that house that much strongly. At the same time, if a planet is placed in bhava sandhi then it will become ineffective in giving any result of placement in a house. A planet changing houses in bhava chart, represents confusion in those area of placement. I always read both the charts for accurate assesment of the chart. Even I am finding more accurate results using Bhava / Chalita based Astakavarga points, but my study is still incomplete and can not say for sure yet.I have found some interesting points mentioned about Chalita Chakra in a book "Timing of Events" by Sumeet Chugh. See if you can get hold of this book.Hope the above may give you a bit more insight and request Visti Ji to correct me if I am wrong.RegardsRaghunatha Rao--- In , ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote:Hello Rafel ji,what is the role of chalit chakra in horoscopes.Sometims the chalit is different from Lagna chart , then what is the wayto read the chart.Thanks and RegardsTarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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