Japa and Diksha- Gochara effects?

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Om Brihaspataaye Namah

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Sourav, Voja and Vistiji,

 

Thankyou for this enlightening discussion. Having had diksha mantra for 15

years, and Japa for 4 it is very helpful to have Japa explained so well.

 

At first I wanted to write " that The idea of any mantra is to take the mind

back to God, rather than develop the mind and set it up for a particular

experience" But on re- reading what you have written, it is saying the same

thing, but in steps. Which is just like Japa chanting rather than Dyanam

(meditation)

 

>From my own experience, Diksha is pre-eminent. However Japa tames or trains the

mind, like a broom sweeping clean the cobwebs by action in a sense, rather than

pure dissolving of impediments by Dyanam meditation- Diksha mantra.

Both appear to be necessary and practised by the wise.

 

Question to Sourav and Vistiji, can we see in the D20 the efficacy of both

changing with gochara ( transits)? and how to help counsel accordingly.

 

Kindest regards

Rosemary Innes-Jones

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Sourav

 

Friday, February 24, 2006 5:58 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Voja,

namaskar. In my own words kindly let me add. Chanting

audibly is engagement of the senses in the process of prayer. This helps in

initial concentration. You will see that you would rarely be able to

concentrate on something or do something if you talk. Just like that, if you

chant audibly it lets you gather yourself and engage completely in the act of

chanting. It is said that inaudible chanting (w/o even moving the lips ) is

best because Mind is then workind at its best and it doesn't have to be

bothered with the job of moving the muscles of the mouth. But inaudible

chanting requires you to develop concentration and get used to the rythym of

the mantra first. Then subsequently, you will develop smarana (thinking) about

God while you are performing mental japa. So it is a sequential process and if

you are an adept, you can directly start chanting mentally if you can sustain

it for a long time, that is.

The idea of any mantra is to develop the mind and set it up for a particular

experience. It is said that if mind desires to have an experience it will have

it. Hence all spiritual disciplines are geared towards control of thought

(samyama). The more concentrated a thought is, the more likely is there a

physical or para-physical manifestation of that thought/desire. So smarana is

very important.

In my opinion to develop this concentration is more important than the method of chanting.

Hope I could share my ideas with you on this.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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, "Voja Trajkovic" <vojatrajananda

wrote:>> Om mahaganapataye namah > Dear Visti, Namaskar > Thank you very much.

I have this article but didn't read it thoroughly till> yesterday. Missed just

what asked :-) > But one more question: > Still I'm not sure I understood well.

If chant mantra the way you recomended> to Venkatesh, initially say them >

voiced so that you can get used to their rythm and sound, after which you > can

chant them silently, would effects be both on material and mental plane?> > And

is it for all mantras or some of them: > > I have not seen any restrictions for

voiced vs. silent japa of the > > jyotirlingas > > Best wishes, > Voja > > ---

In , "Visti Larsen" visti@ > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama

Krsna|| > > Dear Voja, Namaskar > > This article will tell you exactly what you

need to know: >

http://.org/spirituality/theology/mantra-shastra.htm > > Best

wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > >

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> >

http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > >

> [] On > Behalf Of Voya Traykovic > Sent:

22 February 2006 14:54 > > Re: [Om

Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help > > > > Om mahaganapataye namah > > Zoran

told us that if we chant mantras voiced effects would be more > on > phisical

level, whilst if chant silently effects would be on mental > level. > Can you

please clarify little bit more? > > Best wishes, > > Voja > --- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare

Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > Dhyana is meditation, and

is different from japa. There are > various types > of > > japa, and the two

types that you are referring to is voiced vs. > silent > > (there are two more;

viz. ajapa and pranayama-japa). > > > > I have not seen any restrictions for

voiced vs. silent japa of the > > jyotirlingas, hence i just recommend that you

initially say them > voiced so > > that you can get used to their rythm and

sound, after which you > can chant > > them silently. > > > > Best wishes, > >

> > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > >

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > >

http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > >

> [] > On > >

Behalf Of Venkatesh S > > 21 February 2006 19:16 > > To:

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please

Help > > > > > > > > |JAI SRIRAM| > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Is this

Jyotirlinga mantra or any mantras are to be recited by > > dhyana in silence or

by opening mouth. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > Visti Larsen

visti@ wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sri Vidya, Namaskar > > You

are correct regarding Rameshvara. > > You should do the mantra in upasana, that

means you must sit down, > do the > > dhyana of the deity (imagine the

jyotirlinga infront of you) and > recite > the > > mantra. Don't mix this up

with various other activities you do > during your > > day, as surely that is

not the way you should welcome shiva in > your home. > > > > Anyone can do

these mantras, as they are mantras which offer > namaskar.. > > everyone in

kali yuga can do such mantras. > > > > The ammount depends. Minimum is ammount

of words in the mantra; > i.e. 5 > > words, hence 5 malas. Siddhi comes after

doing the mantra as many > lakhs as > > there are aksharas, i.e. for the mantra

you mentioned it is 13 > aksharas, > > hence 13 lakhs will give siddhi. But

start with the 5 malas a day, > as this > > will definitely give results. > >

Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > >

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > > -----Original

Message----- > > >

[] > On > > Behalf Of Sri Vidya > > 21

February 2006 16:07 > > > > RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thank you so much

for this valuable email. Please let > > me know if I am right? I have Moon in

Aries and also > > AL in Aries. So, my Jyotirlinga is Rameshvara and the > >

corresponding mantra is > > "Om Namah Shivaaya Namah Rameshvaraaya". > > > > Is

this right? > > > > How many times should we say this mantra and can it be > >

said any time during the day viz., sitting on the > > computer, while cooking

etc. Also, can anyone say > > this, I mean, is a Guru required to give this

mantra > > to me? > > > > Your advice is greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > >

Sri vidya > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen visti@ wrote: > > > > > ||Hare Rama

Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Twinkle, Namaskar > > > > > > First you need to learn

the mapping of the > > > Jyotirlinga to the signs. I have > > > given this

below in a south-indian style (guru > > > chakra)... try to learn this > > > by

hand. > > > > > > +--------------+ > > > > > >

| | | | | > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > | Tryambaka |Rameshvara | Somanatha

| Nageshvara| > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > > > | | | | > > > > >

> | | | | > > > > > > | Kedarnatha| | Omkaresha | > > > > > > | | | | > > > > >

> | | | | > > > > > > |-----------| Jyotilinga |-----------| > > > > > > | | |

| > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > > |Bhimashankara |Vaidyanatha| > > > > > > | |

| | > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > > > | | | | | > > > >

> > | | | | Malika- | > > > > > > |Vishvanatha|Ghrshanesha|Mahakalesha| arjuna |

> > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > >

+--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jyotirlinga Rasi - taught by Pt. Sanjay Rath in > > > Delhi 2006. > > > > > >

So first thing is to pick the MOST auspicious > > > Jyotirlinga for yourself, >

> > which will constantly shine on your face and bring > > > you name, fame,

health > > > and intelligence, etc. This is based on the Moon and > > > Arudha

lagna. > > > > > > Here are the steps: Compare the KENDRA from the > > >

Chandra rasi, and TRIKONA > > > from the Arudha Lagna rasi, and see which sign

is > > > COMMON in these two > > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > Example: For

Moon in Vrshabha, the fixed signs are > > > kendra, so the > > > Jyotirlinga

must be a fixed sign. Now if Arudha > > > lagna is in Simha, then the > > >

Jyotirlinga must be an agni rasi (Mesha, Simha and > > > Dhanus). So the > > >

Jyotirlinga must be a fixed-agni rasi. This becomes > > > Simha rasi, as its

both > > > a fixed sign and an agni sign. So the Jyotirlinga > > > would be

Vaidyanatha, as > > > this corresponds to Simha. > > > > > > > > > > > > This

is the Jyotirlinga you can worship throughout > > > life to have succes in > >

> life and gain your objective. The specific effects > > > mentioned are:

removal of > > > the sins of last births and rememberance of past > > > lives.

Ability to see > > > God/attain devatadarshana, and more... > > > > > > > > > >

> > How to worship? > > > > > > All Jyotirlingas are forms of Shiva, and we are

to > > > worship the Jyotirlinga > > > with the Isana Shadakshari mantra. The

parampara > > > teaches that this should be > > > done by reciting the Isana

shadakshari, adding > > > 'namah' and then the name of > > > the jyotirlinga. >

> > > > > For example: Om Namah Shivaaya Namah > > > "Vaidyanathaaya".. > > > >

> > > > > > > > Misc. > > > > > > For different purposes, the grahas are mapped

to > > > these rasis based on their > > > exaltation sign. I.e. For Venus its

Tryambakeshvara, > > > as Venus gets exalted > > > in Pisces, where

Tryambakeshvara Jyotirlinga sits. > > > So if you wanted to > > > specifically

remedy Venus, you could advise > > > Tryambakeshvara IF you find that > > >

becoming needful in the chart. Generally because the > > > atmakaraka is like >

> > shiva, worship of the Jyotirlinga of > > > atmakaraka-graha can give great >

> > strength to face difficult times or even help you > > > adapt to big

changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now i expect you to teach this to everyone who

asks > > > in the future... or > > > merely keep this mail saved somewhere for

future > > > references. > > > > > > For more, expect to see an article by Pt.

Sanjay > > > Rath in the next Jyotish > > > Digest. > > > > > > Best wishes, >

> > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > For services and articles

visit: > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > > > >

*** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > [] On > >

> Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya > > > 18 February 2006 14:38 > > > To:

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji

Please Help > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vistiji! > > > > > > how do we decide

on the jyotirlinga which one need > > > to worship??in > > > > > > this case i

can gather that for brahman shapa we > > > need to worship > > > > > >

rameshwara jyotirlinga as worshiped by lord rama > > > .pls enlighten me on > >

> > > > this subject. > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > regards > > > > > > twinkle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen visti@ wrote:

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