Japa and Diksha- Gochara effects?

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Dear Rosemary,

Namaskar. Be sure that I am just beginning to

learn D-20 secrets from Sanjay-ji and Visti-ji and others. What I shared are

some of the things I learned in my studies and some of my convictions. I will

eagerly await answers from the Gurus on your questions on meditation and D-20.

Very good question.

Best wishes,

Sourav

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, "Rosemary Innes-Jones" <rf.innes-jones

wrote:>> Om Brihaspataaye Namah> > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Sourav, Voja and

Vistiji,> > Thankyou for this enlightening discussion. Having had diksha mantra

for 15 years, and Japa for 4 it is very helpful to have Japa explained so well.>

> At first I wanted to write " that The idea of any mantra is to take the mind

back to God, rather than develop the mind and set it up for a particular

experience" But on re- reading what you have written, it is saying the same

thing, but in steps. Which is just like Japa chanting rather than Dyanam

(meditation)> > From my own experience, Diksha is pre-eminent. However Japa

tames or trains the mind, like a broom sweeping clean the cobwebs by action in

a sense, rather than pure dissolving of impediments by Dyanam meditation-

Diksha mantra.> Both appear to be necessary and practised by the wise.> >

Question to Sourav and Vistiji, can we see in the D20 the efficacy of both

changing with gochara ( transits)? and how to help counsel accordingly.> >

Kindest regards> Rosemary Innes-Jones> - >

Sourav > > Friday, February 24, 2006

5:58 AM> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help> > > || Hare Rama

Krishna ||> > Dear Voja,> > namaskar. In my own words kindly let me add.

Chanting audibly is engagement of the senses in the process of prayer. This

helps in initial concentration. You will see that you would rarely be able to

concentrate on something or do something if you talk. Just like that, if you

chant audibly it lets you gather yourself and engage completely in the act of

chanting. It is said that inaudible chanting (w/o even moving the lips ) is

best because Mind is then workind at its best and it doesn't have to be

bothered with the job of moving the muscles of the mouth. But inaudible

chanting requires you to develop concentration and get used to the rythym of

the mantra first. Then subsequently, you will develop smarana (thinking) about

God while you are performing mental japa. So it is a sequential process and if

you are an adept, you can directly start chanting mentally if you can sustain

it for a long time, that is.> > The idea of any mantra is to develop the mind

and set it up for a particular experience. It is said that if mind desires to

have an experience it will have it. Hence all spiritual disciplines are geared

towards control of thought (samyama). The more concentrated a thought is, the

more likely is there a physical or para-physical manifestation of that

thought/desire. So smarana is very important.> > In my opinion to develop this

concentration is more important than the method of chanting. > > Hope I could

share my ideas with you on this.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> >

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> > , "Voja Trajkovic" vojatrajananda@

wrote:> >> > Om mahaganapataye namah > > Dear Visti, Namaskar > > Thank you

very much. I have this article but didn't read it thoroughly till> > yesterday.

Missed just what asked :-) > > But one more question: > > Still I'm not sure I

understood well. If chant mantra the way you recomended> > to Venkatesh,

initially say them > > voiced so that you can get used to their rythm and

sound, after which you > > can chant them silently, would effects be both on

material and mental plane?> > > > And is it for all mantras or some of them: >

> > I have not seen any restrictions for voiced vs. silent japa of the > > >

jyotirlingas > > > > Best wishes, > > Voja > > > > --- In

, "Visti Larsen" visti@ > > wrote: > > > > ||Hare

Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Voja, Namaskar > > > > This article will tell you

exactly what you need to know: > >

http://.org/spirituality/theology/mantra-shastra.htm > > > > Best

wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles

visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > >

<http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > >

> > > > []

On > > Behalf Of Voya Traykovic > > 22 February 2006 14:54 > > To:

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please

Help > > > > > > > > Om mahaganapataye namah > > > > Zoran told us that if we

chant mantras voiced effects would be more > > on > > phisical level, whilst if

chant silently effects would be on mental > > level. > > Can you please clarify

little bit more? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Voja > > --- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare

Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > Dhyana is

meditation, and is different from japa. There are > > various types > > of > >

> japa, and the two types that you are referring to is voiced vs. > > silent >

> > (there are two more; viz. ajapa and pranayama-japa). > > > > > > I have not

seen any restrictions for voiced vs. silent japa of the > > > jyotirlingas,

hence i just recommend that you initially say them > > voiced so > > > that you

can get used to their rythm and sound, after which you > > can chant > > > them

silently. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > >

> > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > > http://astrovisti.com

> > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > >

> > [] > > On > > > Behalf Of Venkatesh S > >

> 21 February 2006 19:16 > > > > > >

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help > > > > > > > > > > > >

|JAI SRIRAM| > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > Is this Jyotirlinga mantra or

any mantras are to be recited by > > > dhyana in silence or by opening mouth. >

> > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen visti@ wrote:

> > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Sri Vidya, Namaskar > > > You are

correct regarding Rameshvara. > > > You should do the mantra in upasana, that

means you must sit down, > > do the > > > dhyana of the deity (imagine the

jyotirlinga infront of you) and > > recite > > the > > > mantra. Don't mix this

up with various other activities you do > > during your > > > day, as surely

that is not the way you should welcome shiva in > > your home. > > > > > >

Anyone can do these mantras, as they are mantras which offer > > namaskar.. > >

> everyone in kali yuga can do such mantras. > > > > > > The ammount depends.

Minimum is ammount of words in the mantra; > > i.e. 5 > > > words, hence 5

malas. Siddhi comes after doing the mantra as many > > lakhs as > > > there are

aksharas, i.e. for the mantra you mentioned it is 13 > > aksharas, > > > hence

13 lakhs will give siddhi. But start with the 5 malas a day, > > as this > > >

will definitely give results. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen >

> > For services and articles visit: > > > http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com > > > *** > > > > > > > > >

> > [] >

> On > > > Behalf Of Sri Vidya > > > 21 February 2006 16:07 > > > To:

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji

Please Help > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > Thank you so much for this

valuable email. Please let > > > me know if I am right? I have Moon in Aries

and also > > > AL in Aries. So, my Jyotirlinga is Rameshvara and the > > >

corresponding mantra is > > > "Om Namah Shivaaya Namah Rameshvaraaya". > > > >

> > Is this right? > > > > > > How many times should we say this mantra and can

it be > > > said any time during the day viz., sitting on the > > > computer,

while cooking etc. Also, can anyone say > > > this, I mean, is a Guru required

to give this mantra > > > to me? > > > > > > Your advice is greatly

appreciated. > > > Regards, > > > Sri vidya > > > > > > > > > --- Visti Larsen

visti@ wrote: > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Twinkle,

Namaskar > > > > > > > > First you need to learn the mapping of the > > > >

Jyotirlinga to the signs. I have > > > > given this below in a south-indian

style (guru > > > > chakra)... try to learn this > > > > by hand. > > > > > > >

> +--------------+ > > > > > > > > | | | | | >

> > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > > > | Tryambaka |Rameshvara | Somanatha |

Nageshvara| > > > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > > >

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > > > > > | | | | > > >

> > > > > | | | | > > > > > > > > | Kedarnatha| | Omkaresha | > > > > > > > > |

| | | > > > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > > > > |-----------| Jyotilinga

|-----------| > > > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > > > >

|Bhimashankara |Vaidyanatha| > > > > > > > > | | | | > > > > > > > > | | | | >

> > > > > > > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > > > > > > > >

| | | | | > > > > > > > > | | | | Malika- | > > > > > > > >

|Vishvanatha|Ghrshanesha|Mahakalesha| arjuna | > > > > > > > > | | | | | > > >

> > > > > | | | | | > > > > > > > >

+--------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Jyotirlinga Rasi - taught by Pt. Sanjay Rath in > > > > Delhi 2006. > > > > >

> > > So first thing is to pick the MOST auspicious > > > > Jyotirlinga for

yourself, > > > > which will constantly shine on your face and bring > > > >

you name, fame, health > > > > and intelligence, etc. This is based on the Moon

and > > > > Arudha lagna. > > > > > > > > Here are the steps: Compare the KENDRA

from the > > > > Chandra rasi, and TRIKONA > > > > from the Arudha Lagna rasi,

and see which sign is > > > > COMMON in these two > > > > groups. > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Example: For Moon in Vrshabha, the fixed signs are > > > >

kendra, so the > > > > Jyotirlinga must be a fixed sign. Now if Arudha > > > >

lagna is in Simha, then the > > > > Jyotirlinga must be an agni rasi (Mesha,

Simha and > > > > Dhanus). So the > > > > Jyotirlinga must be a fixed-agni

rasi. This becomes > > > > Simha rasi, as its both > > > > a fixed sign and an

agni sign. So the Jyotirlinga > > > > would be Vaidyanatha, as > > > > this

corresponds to Simha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the Jyotirlinga

you can worship throughout > > > > life to have succes in > > > > life and gain

your objective. The specific effects > > > > mentioned are: removal of > > > >

the sins of last births and rememberance of past > > > > lives. Ability to see

> > > > God/attain devatadarshana, and more... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

How to worship? > > > > > > > > All Jyotirlingas are forms of Shiva, and we are

to > > > > worship the Jyotirlinga > > > > with the Isana Shadakshari mantra.

The parampara > > > > teaches that this should be > > > > done by reciting the

Isana shadakshari, adding > > > > 'namah' and then the name of > > > > the

jyotirlinga. > > > > > > > > For example: Om Namah Shivaaya Namah > > > >

"Vaidyanathaaya".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Misc. > > > > > > > > For

different purposes, the grahas are mapped to > > > > these rasis based on their

> > > > exaltation sign. I.e. For Venus its Tryambakeshvara, > > > > as Venus

gets exalted > > > > in Pisces, where Tryambakeshvara Jyotirlinga sits. > > > >

So if you wanted to > > > > specifically remedy Venus, you could advise > > > >

Tryambakeshvara IF you find that > > > > becoming needful in the chart.

Generally because the > > > > atmakaraka is like > > > > shiva, worship of the

Jyotirlinga of > > > > atmakaraka-graha can give great > > > > strength to face

difficult times or even help you > > > > adapt to big changes. > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now i expect you to teach this to everyone who asks > > > > in the

future... or > > > > merely keep this mail saved somewhere for future > > > >

references. > > > > > > > > For more, expect to see an article by Pt. Sanjay >

> > > Rath in the next Jyotish > > > > Digest. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > >

> > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and

articles visit: > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com >

> > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

[] On > > > > Behalf Of Twinkle Vijaywargiya

> > > > 18 February 2006 14:38 > > > > >

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Visti Ji Please Help > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > dear vistiji! > > > > > > > > how do we decide on the jyotirlinga

which one need > > > > to worship??in > > > > > > > > this case i can gather

that for brahman shapa we > > > > need to worship > > > > > > > > rameshwara

jyotirlinga as worshiped by lord rama > > > > .pls enlighten me on > > > > > >

> > this subject. > > > > > > > > thanx > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > >

twinkle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---

Visti Larsen visti@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama

Krsna|| > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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