Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Hare Krishna, Dear Gurujis, This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide me the way to approach. In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is this causing the issue. Please advise..as there are running problem someone advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve the problem. Husband 10 Dec 1966 13:30 Hrs 78E24 12N10 Wife 12 Aug 1970 00:55 Hrs 77E39 12N59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Dear Madhusudhana In man's saptamsa, Venus is in Lagna aspected by Mercury and Sani is in Kona. It gives difficulty in concieving. In womans chart 9L and 5L from JU - Sani is deb in 12 bhava. It supposed to be good for her, but not good for children. Again Buddha and Shukra in trines in d-7. Hope Guruji will reveal the rest. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Madhusudhan RS" <rs_madhu <> Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:23 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children > Hare Krishna, > > Dear Gurujis, > > This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children > since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first > time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide > me the way to approach. > In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is > in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is > this causing the issue. > Please advise..as there are running problem someone > advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve > the problem. > > Husband > 10 Dec 1966 > 13:30 Hrs > 78E24 12N10 > > Wife > 12 Aug 1970 > 00:55 Hrs > 77E39 12N59 > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II Dear Michal, For women house controling children is ninth bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Michal Dziwulski Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna::In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children".In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK.The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th.Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children.Respectfully,Michal::Om Namo Narayanaya::Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: Hare Krishna,Dear Gurujis,This is regarding a couple who are NOT having childrensince they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is firsttime I looking into this kind of issue. Please guideme the way to approach.In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 isin House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Isthis causing the issue.Please advise..as there are running problem someoneadvised them to remarry I not sure that will resolvethe problem.Husband10 Dec 196613:30 Hrs78E24 12N10Wife12 Aug 197000:55 Hrs77E39 12N59Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal and Madhusudan, Namaskar Based on Rafals analysis it would seem that the couple has great difficulty in concieving, and a doctor is required. A propper diet to increase their Virya is required for this then. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Rafal Gendarz [starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl] 08 December 2005 21:36 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> Dear Madhusudhana In man's saptamsa, Venus is in Lagna aspected by Mercury and Sani is in Kona. It gives difficulty in concieving. In womans chart 9L and 5L from JU - Sani is deb in 12 bhava. It supposed to be good for her, but not good for children. Again Buddha and Shukra in trines in d-7. Hope Guruji will reveal the rest. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Madhusudhan RS" <rs_madhu > <> Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:23 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children > Hare Krishna, > > Dear Gurujis, > > This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children > since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first > time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide > me the way to approach. > In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is > in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is > this causing the issue. > Please advise..as there are running problem someone > advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve > the problem. > > Husband > 10 Dec 1966 > 13:30 Hrs > 78E24 12N10 > > Wife > 12 Aug 1970 > 00:55 Hrs > 77E39 12N59 > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Namo Narayanaya::Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II Dear Michal, For women house controling children is ninth bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz margin-right: 0px;"> - Michal Dziwulski To: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna::In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children".In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK.The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th.Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children.Respectfully,Michal::Om Namo Narayanaya::Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: Hare Krishna,Dear Gurujis,This is regarding a couple who are NOT having childrensince they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is firsttime I looking into this kind of issue. Please guideme the way to approach.In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 isin House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Isthis causing the issue.Please advise..as there are running problem someoneadvised them to remarry I not sure that will resolvethe problem.Husband10 Dec 196613:30 Hrs78E24 12N10Wife12 Aug 197000:55 Hrs77E39 12N59Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around ShoppingFind Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Clark, Helen.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar In the chart you gave, Mercury and Venus are joined the A9. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 11:17 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Rafal, Namaskar For which situations do we use this? In Rasi?, in saptamsa? Is it an overriding rule for judging individual children in the D7 chart, rather than odd/even signs in Lagna? How do we differentiate children and father? If it is the controlling house can the fifth house still be seen as a general house for children? WHY is it the controlling house for children? Or is there a specific purpose for this rule, as there is for so many rules? Attatched is a chart of a woman who has never had children. 5th lord Jupiter is debilitated in 6th house with Mercury and Venus. Sure Jupiter is karaka for children, but can we ignore the fact that it is also 5th lord? Should we look at 9th house, 9th lord etc. to get a better picture? Please share your views and your experience, Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: font-family:Arial">II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II font-family:Arial">Dear Michal, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">For women house controling children is ninth bhava. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Regards font-family:Arial">Rafal Gendarz 12.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;font-size-adjust: none;font-stretch: normal; background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y: 50%"> Michal Dziwulski font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna:: In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children". In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK. The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th. Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children. Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: 10.0pt">Hare Krishna, Dear Gurujis, This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide me the way to approach. In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is this causing the issue. Please advise..as there are running problem someone advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve the problem. Husband 10 Dec 1966 13:30 Hrs 78E24 12N10 Wife 12 Aug 1970 00:55 Hrs 77E39 12N59 Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Style" size="3">Dear Michal, Namaskar In the chart you gave, Mercury and Venus are joined the A9. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 11:17 To: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Rafal, Namaskar For which situations do we use this? In Rasi?, in saptamsa? Is it an overriding rule for judging individual children in the D7 chart, rather than odd/even signs in Lagna? How do we differentiate children and father? If it is the controlling house can the fifth house still be seen as a general house for children? WHY is it the controlling house for children? Or is there a specific purpose for this rule, as there is for so many rules? Attatched is a chart of a woman who has never had children. 5th lord Jupiter is debilitated in 6th house with Mercury and Venus. Sure Jupiter is karaka for children, but can we ignore the fact that it is also 5th lord? Should we look at 9th house, 9th lord etc. to get a better picture? Please share your views and your experience, Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II Dear Michal, For women house controling children is ninth bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz 12pt;"> - 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Michal Dziwulski Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna:: In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children". In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK. The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th. Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children. Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: Hare Krishna, Dear Gurujis, This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide me the way to approach. In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is this causing the issue. Please advise..as there are running problem someone advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve the problem. Husband 10 Dec 1966 13:30 Hrs 78E24 12N10 Wife 12 Aug 1970 00:55 Hrs 77E39 12N59 Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping 12pt;"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The Lagna in each divisional chart represents oneself. The lagnesh of that varga will thus represent your ideas/attitude towards that particular area of life. In this womans D7, putrakaraka Jupiter is placed in the twelfth house, so this is naturally rejected. Lagnesh is also there, and is confirming this. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 20:44 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Visti, Mercury and Venus are joined A3. So she could not physically have children, because of this combination. But what about the fact that she never desired children, and chose to further her career instead? 5th lord in debility has something to do with this decision does it not? Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: color:#FF0080"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar In the chart you gave, Mercury and Venus are joined the A9. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 11:17 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Rafal, Namaskar For which situations do we use this? In Rasi?, in saptamsa? Is it an overriding rule for judging individual children in the D7 chart, rather than odd/even signs in Lagna? How do we differentiate children and father? If it is the controlling house can the fifth house still be seen as a general house for children? WHY is it the controlling house for children? Or is there a specific purpose for this rule, as there is for so many rules? Attatched is a chart of a woman who has never had children. 5th lord Jupiter is debilitated in 6th house with Mercury and Venus. Sure Jupiter is karaka for children, but can we ignore the fact that it is also 5th lord? Should we look at 9th house, 9th lord etc. to get a better picture? Please share your views and your experience, Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: font-family:Arial">II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II font-family:Arial">Dear Michal, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">For women house controling children is ninth bhava. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Regards font-family:Arial">Rafal Gendarz 12.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt; border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black"> font-family:Arial">- scroll"> -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;background-attachment:scroll;background-position-x: 0%;background-position-y:50%"> Michal Dziwulski font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna:: In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children". In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK. The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th. Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children. Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: 10.0pt">Hare Krishna, Dear Gurujis, This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide me the way to approach. In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is this causing the issue. Please advise..as there are running problem someone advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve the problem. Husband 10 Dec 1966 13:30 Hrs 78E24 12N10 Wife 12 Aug 1970 00:55 Hrs 77E39 12N59 Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 this? Why are not all things reversed in a Woman's chart, and not only children? ie. 4th house for career, 5th house for Father etc. Would appreciate the clarification. Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar The Lagna in each divisional chart represents oneself. The lagnesh of that varga will thus represent your ideas/attitude towards that particular area of life. In this womans D7, putrakaraka Jupiter is placed in the twelfth house, so this is naturally rejected. Lagnesh is also there, and is confirming this. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 20:44 To: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Visti, Mercury and Venus are joined A3. So she could not physically have children, because of this combination. But what about the fact that she never desired children, and chose to further her career instead? 5th lord in debility has something to do with this decision does it not? Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Michal, Namaskar In the chart you gave, Mercury and Venus are joined the A9. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Michal Dziwulski [nearmichal ] 09 December 2005 11:17 To: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Rafal, Namaskar For which situations do we use this? In Rasi?, in saptamsa? Is it an overriding rule for judging individual children in the D7 chart, rather than odd/even signs in Lagna? How do we differentiate children and father? If it is the controlling house can the fifth house still be seen as a general house for children? WHY is it the controlling house for children? Or is there a specific purpose for this rule, as there is for so many rules? Attatched is a chart of a woman who has never had children. 5th lord Jupiter is debilitated in 6th house with Mercury and Venus. Sure Jupiter is karaka for children, but can we ignore the fact that it is also 5th lord? Should we look at 9th house, 9th lord etc. to get a better picture? Please share your views and your experience, Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah II Dear Michal, For women house controling children is ninth bhava. Regards Rafal Gendarz ----- Original Message ----- initial;">Michal Dziwulski Friday, December 09, 2005 2:15 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Couple having NO children ::Hare Rama Krsna:: In COVA pg. 177 it is written that "If the lord of the saptamsa lagna is placed in sixth/tenth house in male/female chart, the native maybe adverse to children". In the 2nd chart, lagna lord of saptamsa is Saturn exalted in 10th- does this indicate strong desire for independance? Also Ketu conjoins, and Venus aspects- can Tapswi yoga function here, denying children? Saturn is also AK. The chart of the Man has Lagna lord Jupiter exalted in the 5th house, and retrograde, showing strong desire for children. In saptamsa lagna lord Jupiter is in own sign in the 4th. Even from my limited personal experience of viewing horoscopes, for Taurus lagna, Venus debilitated in 5th is devastating for children. Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu > wrote: Hare Krishna, Dear Gurujis, This is regarding a couple who are NOT having children since they got married in Nov 19 1997. This is first time I looking into this kind of issue. Please guide me the way to approach. In WIFE horoscope I can see debilated Venus and A5 is in House of debilated Mars conj with Sun in D-1. Is this causing the issue. Please advise..as there are running problem someone advised them to remarry I not sure that will resolve the problem. Husband 10 Dec 1966 13:30 Hrs New">78E24 12N10 Wife 12 Aug 1970 00:55 Hrs 77E39 12N59 Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Shopping Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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