RE: Brief Account of Chandra Hari Ayanamsa - Rationale of Zodiac

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Dear Jyotisa

Please peruse this mail of Ch. PVR Narasimha Rao. I fully endorse this view

point. I plan to spend time with Narasimha the coming year to work on the

Ayanamsa and we will come out with a very fine answer. My findings are very

similar that it is near the present Lahiri Ayanamsa.

With best wishes & warm regards,

Yours truly

Sanjay Rath

 

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Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net] Sunday, November 27,

2005 10:56 AMvedic astrologyCc: Sanjay RathRe:

Brief Account of Chandra Hari Ayanamsa - Rationale of Zodiac

Namaste friends,

 

Unfortunately, I don't have the time and energy to engage the supporters of

Chandra Hari ayanamsa in a detailed debate. However, after having gone through

all the material sent by Chandra Hari and his followers, I have a couple of

things to say. Even if my advice helps one person, my purpose will be served.

That is why I am speaking out.

 

Chandra Hari talks of Yogic breathing and what not. All that is fine, but it

does not prove his ayanamsa. For example, zodiac has 21,600 minutes

irrespective of where the zodiac starts. Thus, a long exposition on the

significance of 21,600, breahting and Sun does not prove any ayanamsa.

 

Though he gives long-winding Yogic/Tantric discourses, a discering reader will

find all of them irrelevant, as far as proving his ayanamsa is concerned.

Though umpteen arguments are given by him, his proof finally boils down to JUST

ONE AXIOM - Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is in Moola nakshatram.

 

In my view, this crucial axiom of Chandra Hari does not stand a reasonable

scrutiny. Mooladhara chakram is in the middle of the body and not in thighs or

the 9th house. Kala purusha's lagna is at 0 deg Aries. The 240 deg point is the

9th house point. It is unacceptable to place Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha

at 240 deg point. I cannot help but think that the fact that the nakshatra

starting at that longitude is called Moola, i.e. similarity of names, must have

misled Chandra Hari into placing Mooladhara chakram there!

 

There are fourteen worlds that Vedic scriptures talk about. In advaitic theory,

they all exist within us. Normally in tradition, we take 7 upper worlds to be

in the invisible half of the zodiac and 7 lower worlds to be in the visible

half of the zodiac. The upper 7 worlds correspond to the 7 chakras from

Mooladhara to Sahasrara. Mooladhara chakra corresponds to Bhoo Loka and should

be in the house of desire, i.e. 7th house. Sahasrara chakra corresponds to

Satya Loka and should be in the 1st house. Other chakras are in 1st-7th houses.

 

In my view, Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha is at 180 deg and Sahasrara

chakram is at 0 deg. Thus, Lahiri (Chitrapaksha) ayanamsa is the ayanamsa that

is based on fixing the Mooladhara chakram and not Chandra Hari's ayanamsa as

claimed by him.

Even from the point of view of mapping houses to body parts, the 7th house

corresponds to the vasti/basti (the sac that contains intestines and colon)

area. That is where Mooladhara chakram is placed. If someone places Mooladhara

chakram in the 8th house, I can atleast appreciate it (even though I will still

disagree), as the 8th house is supposed to show private parts. Though Mooladhara

chakram is not in private parts, it is atleast in their vicinity. But placing

Mooladhara chakram in the 9th house is outright rejectable.

 

I am afraid Chandra Hari is biased because of the name of the nakshatra (Moola),

convinced himself that that must be the Mooladhara chakram of Kala Purusha and

then built his theory around that wrong assumption. Even the explanations of

events given in his examples such as Tagore are totally unconvincing. Though he

and his supporters claim that his explanations are simple and those of the

Lahiri ayanamsa supporters are convolouted, I see it the other way around. For

example, he thinks that lagna lord is a better candidate to take one abroad

than the 12th lord, just because of placement in a watery sign. We all know

which houses take one abroad and which houses keep one in motherland.

 

Unfortunately, every intelligent person who comes up with some theory or the

other about a fundamental question of astrology, such as ayanamsa, will

naturally attract a lot of followers. It is obvious that there are several

strong followers of Chandra Hari ayanamsa on this list. They are quite

aggressive in dismissing other people and sometimes they even ridicule the

views of other schools in various matters. They seem to think that other people

are using a wrong ayanamsa and hence whatever they do is based on wrong

calculations and hence nonsense. They seem to have quite strong views on

divisional charts etc too. We cannot change them.

 

But, FOR THOSE WHO CARE FOR MY VIEWS, I will give my final judgment after

perusing all the material kindly sent to me by Chandra Hari and his followers.

My judgment is that one is better off ignoring Chandra Hari ayanamsa. The

correct ayanamsa is between Lahiri ayanamsa and Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa. In my

judgment, Chandra Hari ayanamsa is way off.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have the time and energy to engage any supporters of

Chandra Hari ayanamsa if they respond to my mail. I will have to ignore. The

purpose of this mail is to guide those who want my guidance on this issue.

Though I was sent some material by Chandra Hari's followers long back, I have

waited till I read the literature and formed the final views.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha

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> I. Conceptual and philosophical Basis>> >>1. "Prana" the cosmic essence of

vitality operating in Jeeva follow the law of equivalence of microcosm and

macrocosm. Yoga darsana and Vedanta consisting of the Upanishads extoll the

virtues of Pranas in different names like "Prajapati". >> >>2. The law of

equivalence in the earthly biosphere, manifests as the correlation between

Prana or Prana_Surya and Surya or the Cosmic Prana. The astronomical phenomenon

involved was abtracted as the wheel of Time. Proof for this is the Rshi_vakyas

like "Pranenaiti kalam bhu: = Earth rotates by one kala in a prana. Accordingly

we can see 21600 kalas constituting the diurnal rotation arc. >> >>3.

Jyotihsastra at the subtle level is indicative of the biocosmic rhythms as

encrypted in the mysterious power Kundalini which is in sleep at Muladharam at

the base of the cerebro_spinal axis. At a more sthoola dimension, Kundalini

power has its manifestation as Karma - it transforms the Space_Time to a Karmic

Space where the Samsara Chakra operates as per the law of Karma. >> >>4.

Jyotihsastra is not just mathematics. Kalapurusha is the macrocosmic living

being, Maha Yogi, who is experienceble to the Yogi in microcosm. This in fact

was the need for the creation of Jyotishchakra.It was to express such

experience that Siddha's invented techniques like Sexagesimal system and

Decimal system of notation and the spherical geometry. >> >>5. Beauty of the

Siddha discovery may be understood from the fact that the Crux of the

correlation is Muladharam which corresponds to the Mula nakshtra (Lambda

Scorpii) in the sky. Mula thus became Mahakala Lingam and Mahakala Yoni - the

eternal couple who sustains Prana. That is how Linga came to be worshipped all

over from the Omphalos temple at lace>Cretelace> islands to Prag_Jyotishapura

(Kamakhya) in the West. >> >>This is the background of Chandra Hari's works

that gives an ayanamsa of 43'35" more than Chitrapaksha. >>> >II. Important

milestomes: >> >>1. Release of Rasichakram in Malayalam in 1996>>> >2. True

Rationale of Suryasiddhanta published in INSA journal mathematically proved

that the original zodiac of Suryasiddhanta was Muladhara and the epoch was

AD231, Chaitradi that coincided with Meshadi. No Siddhantic work of

Varahamihira's time AD 500 had an epoch where Chaitradi coincided with Meshadi.

>>> >3. A number of other papers on Indian Astronomy - published the largest

number of numbers in Indian Jo. of History of Science during 1997 to 2003 and

also disproved some papers by the veterans. >> >>4. The scientists involved

with INSA, and its journal IJHS - the referees who judge suitability for

publication could not deny Chandra Hari's work on Suryasiddhanta and thus any

claim on the basis of Calendar Reform Committee report as supporting

Chitrapaksha is superfluous. Chandra Hari's work "Hindu Zodiac" totally refutes

the CRC report. >>> >5. Chitrapaskha offers – (a) No rationale for the Zodiac

(b) no operational proof © no underlying energy (d) no idea as to why Chitra

has to be 180 and why not Sravishtha or Magha? (e) An arbitrary selection

forwarded by a scientist and the Chitra concept evolved by the westward

regression and obsolescence of the Suryasiddhanta zero point in 2000 years to

match Chitra's opposite point in 1890 AD. So it gave a convenient

transformation of modern longitudes to somewhat comparable values of Indian

Panchangas in 1890 AD. Original founder of this method and ayanamsa is Sri

Kelkar of Ketakeeya Ganitam and he did his work decades before Lahiri. >>> >6.

Latest works which explains "Time Structure of Breathing" anticipates the modern

biological discovery of the same. Chronobiology is yet to reach that stage.

Jyotisha and Yoga are all set to become the backbone of Psychoneuro_immunology

and it shall cease to be a pseudo science in the eyes of modern scientists

championing rationalism. >> >>III. Technical aspects in astrology. >> >>(a)

What is the impact of a lesser ayanamsa like Lahiri when the true ayanamsa is

higher? >> >>1. See the published Mrtyubhaga data by Lahiri followers. Many

Acharyas like Sri KN Rao and Agastya of AM fame had to alter the definition of

MB to some ludicrous notion even though it is the basic of astronomy as to what

"bhaga" is in Jyotihsastra. >> >>2. All erring examples of MB falls to the

right bhaga when the Chandra Hari ayanamsa is used. A document has been

released on this topic and mailed to known Gurus. >> >>3. See the sequence of

Vimsottari Dasa:>> >>Sun - Moon_Mars_Rahu_Jupiter_Saturn_Mercury_Ketu_Venuis:

>>What happens when a lesser ayanamsa is used which in most cases i.e all born

in Rahu, Guru, Bud, Sani and Sukra cause 1 year different in DAB. >>> >¨

See that Rahu's last one year will be taken over by Guru and so for Rahu, Guru

will be blamed. Ex. Tagore horoscope – His death is credited to Guru instead of

Rahu_Mars. >>¨ Jupiter's one year will be taken over by Sani and so whatever

good that Guru may do at the end of his dasa will be claimed by Sani by some

invented justification. >>¨ Sani's one years will go to Budha – then the

last phase of evil of Sani is credited to Budha. >>¨ Budha's last one year

then goes to Ketu >>¨ Ketu's to Sukra >>> >It is this impact of the lesser

ayanamsa that played havoc with astrology and we are made to feel that ->>> >¨

Vimsottari is failing.>>¨ Malefics have become benefics>>¨ Benefics

have become malefics >>¨ AS 1 year covered many antardasas (Ads) – every

individual is driven into confusion as to how a planet behaved while doing case

studies. >>¨ Pratyantardas and case studies shall doom everyone and shall

end up creating new theories >>¨ Chance has come to dominate Jyotisha and

so no Jyotishi is able to claim consistent performance – they are drifting from

technique to technique like ATP, Varga this way that way, Arudha and Dasa in

varga, dasa in Arudha, karana pravesam, Yoga pravesam and …endless. >>> >4. See

the Dasamsa. >>> >All Vargas below D12 has the rationale of Rasix N. RX9, RX7,

RX11etc are examples where 9, 7, 11 Parivrttis cause the Varga. There is no

justification to have an alternate rationale for Dasamsa. In fact the present

Dasamsa is a consequence of some research in D10 around 500 when true ayanamsa

was 03:20'. So the Longitude had one additional sign in Dasamsa. To make good

for this additional in Taurus_Dasamsa, the logic was invented to start the

Dasamsa from Makara. >>> >Well qualified people who can feel the relation

between astrological predictive logics and techniques and the underlying

mathematical rationales must understand the folly committed. D10 is something

like a "modern xyz kind" research taking place in AD500 around. >>> >IV.

Horoscope substantiation: >>> >1. E-mails create a lot of communication

gap and sometimes people won't understand the logic unless explained to their

mindset. So a few who have a strong bias may not realize the truth of ayanamsa

and for them always their pet notions will be correct. >>2. So my request

is to work on horoscopes with both ayanamsa, justify an event with all possible

logics – not to prove one's point – just put on slate all arguments for both in

such a way as to prove both true – then when we give a look at a number of

cases like that, a picture will emerge as to where the "truth of Jyotish shines

better". >>> >3. If we are genuine students of Jyotisha – if we think of us

as deserving to have the Siddha wisdom – first step must be to condemn Raman

Ayanamsa which serve the only purpose of maintaining a name. Dr. BV Raman had

used Lahiri ayanamsa in making his predictions and this can be brought out by

analysing some of his predictions based on individual horoscopes. >>> >4.

If someone is to play with the Grahas so unscrupulously – please take it from me

– it is just a question of time to exhaust the Punya – some reversely running

Karmic equation is destroying such people. >>> >5. Understand the absolute

nonsense polluting Jyotisha – Raman's ayanamsa differs by 02_10 and means a

number of years in Dasa at birth and Surya dasa will be replaced by Kuja and

similar replacement happens for bhuktis and the end result is a curse on people

to take Grahas and their karmic indications differently. People are being lured

into false jargon. Those who get swayed by such kind of Jyotisha are not worthy

of pursuing this Siddha wisdom. Raman ayanamsa must be an eye opener to us in

respect of our subjectivity and help us open our minds to sit down and have a

thorough study instead of repeating that I have 100 predictions with this and

that. >>> >6. We need to pray for saving our souls from the deceiving

subjectivity…leave the identity aside as one "following `this' and `that'" and

make a comparison of the conflicting ideas…>>> >lace>Omlace> sahanavavatu

sahanou bhunaktu, sahaveeryam karavavahai>>Tejasvinamavadheetamastu ma

vidvishavahai>>> >We need this spirit – it is bias that make us pitted against

each other. We are serving Paramaguru Siva and what is the need of spardha? >>>

>We need not be partisan. Our aim is not to promote any name or brand. We are

trying to find the true Jyotisha – the true form of Kalapurusha, Kalasakti –

true form of the greatest Tantrik Yantra "Mahakala" Yantra – the shape of

Cosmic Prana or Prajapati – the True Kundalini. >>> >> Not only Tagore's

horoscope any other when studied objectively with Lahiri and Chitrapaksha

ayanamsa, we shall have a feel of truth and I am sure that in due course the

Kundalini Devi Herself may become apparent to us when the true "mantra sphutas"

of Muladhara Chakra is used along with unadulterated claassical principles and

intelligent researches. Only the adept in mathematics and other sciences can

guide good research in Jyotisha. >>> >Requesting attention of all>>>

>Prashant>>> >> >> > > >> >> >>>

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Dear Sanjay Rath and Narasimha,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

>I plan to spend time with Narasimha the coming year to work on the

>Ayanamsa and we will come out with a very fine answer. My findings are

>very similar that it is near the present Lahiri Ayanamsa.

 

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