Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Dear Rafal ji, I wish to ask you again that if 8th lord is in 7th house and 7th lord is in 6th house in navamsa. Will it make any problems in the after marriage life ? Thanks and best Regards Tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Tarun, Rasi is You, Navamsa is partner. 7L in 6H it can mean: a) problems arising due to : -- lack of balance between sex and celibacy -- spouse can treat You as an enemy b) spouse (first) is very giving 8L in 7H a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from community or family Regards, Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Sourav, In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi manth Yoga, where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then one is striving for knowledge, but this knowledge will not be available if this 3L,5L,6L has some connection to Lagna. So Lord of House in Lagna gives some *AVAILABILITY*. Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second house You get some availability corresponding to 2H matters. I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic it is good for maintanence of marriage. Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sourav Chowdhury Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, > 8L in 7H> > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage> > b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from > community or family> Why ? 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. longivity etc. 8L has the potential and responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives malefic aspects there, evils to marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed in background of rasi occupation and other aspects of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige (making way for a second wife) and downfall in business (7H ). Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H fact. The only good thing can be that the Native can have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 will always be in the 6-12 axis. Hope I added something to this discussion. Best regards, Sourav ================================================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Rafal ji namaskar. If we consider 7th house as lagna in navamsa for looking for the results then the whole story is changed.. like the 3rd house as evil is changed to 9th house in navmasa and the 9th house of navmasa is also changed to 3rd house. Do it makes a differance. Thanks Tarun. Rafal wrote: Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Tarun, Rasi is You, Navamsa is partner. 7L in 6H it can mean: a) problems arising due to : -- lack of balance between sex and celibacy -- spouse can treat You as an enemy b) spouse (first) is very giving 8L in 7H a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from community or family Regards, Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Sourav, Comments below. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sourav Chowdhury Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:40 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar. Comments below. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================--- In , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote:>> II Hare Rama Krsna II> Dear Sourav,> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for rasi. [Rafal] Therefore You are to quick to comment. It was Navamsa. 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the house of relationship in the field of dharma (which includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 indicates the persons with whom the native has those relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's book. [Rafal] I dont use Arudha's in Navamsa per my Guruji teachings. You dont have position to advise me what to read without "please". > > - > Sourav Chowdhury > To: > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Rafal,> > > > 8L in 7H> > > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage> > > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from > > community or family> > > > > Why ?> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. longivity etc. 8L has the potential and responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives malefic aspects there, evils to marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out.> > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed in background of rasi occupation and other aspects of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige (making way for a second wife) and downfall in business (7H ). > > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H fact.> > The only good thing can be that the Native can have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 will always be in the 6-12 axis.> > Hope I added something to this discussion.> > Best regards,> > Sourav> > ================================================> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 ::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Sourav, I have only ever used the seventh house lord in Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the lord of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- that house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent post Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of spouse. Can you please share your understanding of using UL in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for a particular purpose, or for all matters in general? And when would one use simply the 7th house itself as lagna of spouse? Respectfully, Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaskar. Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================ > , "Rafal Gendarz" > <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > > > > II Hare Rama Krsna II > > Dear Sourav, > > > > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. > > [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L > in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for > rasi. > > 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows > family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the > house of relationship in the field of dharma (which > includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 > indicates the persons with whom the native has those > relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, > to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the > lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa > Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's > book. > > Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we had a > discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in > Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana will > cause problems in relationships (more so as it is > excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not destroy > the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's > comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third > bullet). > > > > > > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi > manth Yoga, > > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then one > is striving for knowledge, > > but this knowledge will not be available if this > 3L,5L,6L has some > > connection to Lagna. > > [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. If > the lords of the said houses have connection to the > lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not > graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a > fruitful and satisfying experience. Read Visti-ji's > book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart 87 > is discusse. > > So Lord of House in Lagna gives some *AVAILABILITY*. > Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second > house You get some availability corresponding to 2H > matters. > > > [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But the > understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to use > UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse. > > A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi > (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's chart > in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra in > the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the > theory. > > > > > > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic it > is good for maintanence of marriage. > > > > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. > > > > Regards > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > - > > Sourav Chowdhury > > > > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About > Navamsa--Rafal ji > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > 8L in 7H > > > > > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of > marriage > > > > > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / > resources comming from > > > community or family > > > > > > > > > Why ? > > > > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. > longivity etc. 8L has the potential and > responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. > While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of > problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives > difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle > manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives > malefic aspects there, evils to > marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. > > > > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed > in background of rasi occupation and other aspects > of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige > (making way for a second wife) and downfall in > business (7H ). > > > > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the > 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H > fact. > > > > The only good thing can be that the Native can > have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The > reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 > will always be in the 6-12 axis. > > > > Hope I added something to this discussion. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Michael, If I rememember correctly our Guruji uses Houses as Lagna in D-12/D-9 and Lords as Lagna in D-3/D-7. No Arudha's in Varga's. Hope Guruji will correct If I am wrong. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal <> Monday, November 07, 2005 7:07 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > Dear Sourav, > > I have only ever used the seventh house lord in > Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the lord > of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- that > house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent post > Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of spouse. > Can you please share your understanding of using UL > in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for a > particular purpose, or for all matters in general? > And when would one use simply the 7th house itself as > lagna of spouse? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > > --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: > >> >> || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> Dear Rafal, >> >> Namaskar. Comments below. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Sourav >> >> ================================================ >> , "Rafal Gendarz" >> <starsuponme@w...> wrote: >> > >> > II Hare Rama Krsna II >> > Dear Sourav, >> > >> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. >> >> [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L >> in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for >> rasi. >> >> 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows >> family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the >> house of relationship in the field of dharma (which >> includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 >> indicates the persons with whom the native has those >> relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, >> to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the >> lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa >> Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's >> book. >> >> Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we had a >> discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in >> Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana will >> cause problems in relationships (more so as it is >> excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not destroy >> the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's >> comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third >> bullet). >> >> >> > >> > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi >> manth Yoga, >> > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then one >> is striving for knowledge, >> > but this knowledge will not be available if this >> 3L,5L,6L has some >> > connection to Lagna. >> >> [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. If >> the lords of the said houses have connection to the >> lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not >> graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a >> fruitful and satisfying experience. Read Visti-ji's >> book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart 87 >> is discusse. >> >> So Lord of House in Lagna gives some *AVAILABILITY*. >> Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second >> house You get some availability corresponding to 2H >> matters. >> >> >> [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But the >> understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to use >> UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse. >> >> A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi >> (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's chart >> in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra in >> the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the >> theory. >> >> >> >> >> > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic it >> is good for maintanence of marriage. >> > >> > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. >> > >> > Regards >> > Rafal Gendarz >> > >> > - >> > Sourav Chowdhury >> > >> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM >> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About >> Navamsa--Rafal ji >> > >> > >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> > >> > Dear Rafal, >> > >> > >> > > 8L in 7H >> > > >> > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of >> marriage >> > > >> > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / >> resources comming from >> > > community or family >> > > >> > >> > >> > Why ? >> > >> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. >> longivity etc. 8L has the potential and >> responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. >> While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of >> problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives >> difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle >> manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives >> malefic aspects there, evils to >> marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. >> > >> > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed >> in background of rasi occupation and other aspects >> of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige >> (making way for a second wife) and downfall in >> business (7H ). >> > >> > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the >> 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H >> fact. >> > >> > The only good thing can be that the Native can >> have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The >> reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 >> will always be in the 6-12 axis. >> > >> > Hope I added something to this discussion. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Sourav >> > >> > ================================================ >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ om tat sat ~ >> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >> Achyuta Ashram. >> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare >> Rama Krishna' >> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >> Great who said that the human stomach should not >> become a graveyard for animals. >> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >> free chart reading today >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. >> > >> > b.. To from this group, send an email >> to: >> > >> > >> > c.. Your use of is subject to the >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase. > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2005 Report Share Posted November 6, 2005 Dear Sourav, I am not asking You to use "please". But when You want me to do something You can't do this with tone / mood You are using in Your posts, because I dont treat You as authority. Please continue Jyotish with culture. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Sourav Chowdhury Monday, November 07, 2005 2:53 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, namaskar. I feel you are incensed. There was really no bad intention, hence I assure you that you may not take up a defensive position. Thanks for pointing out that you were discussing on navamsa only and not rasi. You should know that people do make such mistakes. I apologize for this mistake. Being a fellow student, "please" is not necessary. If you deem it necessary I will use "please" but with this attitude you will perhaps curtail your ability to learn from your fellow students and/or help them to learn from you. Again my opinion, and you may disagree. Everyone one of us sees the world in the specific way we unconsciously/consciously want to. Visti-ji and I had a discussion before about this (w.r.t A3 placement). Best regards, Sourav =================================================--- In , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> Comments below.> Regards> Rafal Gendarz> > ----- Original Message ----- > Sourav Chowdhury > > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:40 PM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Rafal,> > Namaskar. Comments below.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ================================================> --- In , "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w... wrote:> >> > II Hare Rama Krsna II> > Dear Sourav,> > > > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna.> > [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for rasi.> > > > [Rafal] Therefore You are to quick to comment.> > It was Navamsa.> > > > 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the house of relationship in the field of dharma (which includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 indicates the persons with whom the native has those relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's book.> > [Rafal]> > I dont use Arudha's in Navamsa per my Guruji teachings.> > You dont have position to advise me what to read without "please".> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Sourav Chowdhury > > > > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Rafal,> > > > > > > 8L in 7H> > > > > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage> > > > > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from > > > community or family> > > > > > > > > Why ?> > > > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. longivity etc. 8L has the potential and responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives malefic aspects there, evils to marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out.> > > > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed in background of rasi occupation and other aspects of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige (making way for a second wife) and downfall in business (7H ). > > > > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H fact.> > > > The only good thing can be that the Native can have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 will always be in the 6-12 axis.> > > > Hope I added something to this discussion.> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sourav> > > > ================================================> > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.> > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > >> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar I thought i was clear on this issue with you... Haven’t i taught you about the difference between sphuta-arudha and the normal arudha, and how this is to be calculated in vargas? I refrain from using Arudhas in vargas, but i do use them, and was also encoraged to. Point is that this is becoming a very refined area of the natives life, and unless it stands out in particular, i don’t really use it. Example: The arudha lagna is used in the D10 to see the reputation in ones profession. This is especially important in the charts of politicians and movie stars, where their entire public life revolves around this ‘public arudha’. But for us mere mortals where the ‘public arudha’ and ‘actual arudha’ are more or less the same, we can settle with using the arudha lagna of the rasi chart. Clear? Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 07 November 2005 08:09 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Michael, If I rememember correctly our Guruji uses Houses as Lagna in D-12/D-9 and Lords as Lagna in D-3/D-7. No Arudha's in Varga's. Hope Guruji will correct If I am wrong. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal > <> Monday, November 07, 2005 7:07 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > Dear Sourav, > > I have only ever used the seventh house lord in > Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the lord > of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- that > house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent post > Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of spouse. > Can you please share your understanding of using UL > in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for a > particular purpose, or for all matters in general? > And when would one use simply the 7th house itself as > lagna of spouse? > > Respectfully, > Michal > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > > --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 > wrote: > >> >> || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> Dear Rafal, >> >> Namaskar. Comments below. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Sourav >> >> ================================================ >> , "Rafal Gendarz" >> <starsuponme@w...> wrote: >> > >> > II Hare Rama Krsna II >> > Dear Sourav, >> > >> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. >> >> [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L >> in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for >> rasi. >> >> 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows >> family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the >> house of relationship in the field of dharma (which >> includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 >> indicates the persons with whom the native has those >> relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, >> to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the >> lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa >> Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's >> book. >> >> Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we had a >> discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in >> Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana will >> cause problems in relationships (more so as it is >> excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not destroy >> the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's >> comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third >> bullet). >> >> >> > >> > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi >> manth Yoga, >> > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then one >> is striving for knowledge, >> > but this knowledge will not be available if this >> 3L,5L,6L has some >> > connection to Lagna. >> >> [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. If >> the lords of the said houses have connection to the >> lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not >> graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a >> fruitful and satisfying experience. Read Visti-ji's >> book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart 87 >> is discusse. >> >> So Lord of House in Lagna gives some *AVAILABILITY*. >> Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second >> house You get some availability corresponding to 2H >> matters. >> >> >> [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But the >> understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to use >> UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse. >> >> A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi >> (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's chart >> in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra in >> the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the >> theory. >> >> >> >> >> > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic it >> is good for maintanence of marriage. >> > >> > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. >> > >> > Regards >> > Rafal Gendarz >> > >> > - >> > Sourav Chowdhury >> > >> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM >> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About >> Navamsa--Rafal ji >> > >> > >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> > >> > Dear Rafal, >> > >> > >> > > 8L in 7H >> > > >> > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of >> marriage >> > > >> > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / >> resources comming from >> > > community or family >> > > >> > >> > >> > Why ? >> > >> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. >> longivity etc. 8L has the potential and >> responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. >> While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of >> problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives >> difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle >> manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives >> malefic aspects there, evils to >> marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. >> > >> > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed >> in background of rasi occupation and other aspects >> of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige >> (making way for a second wife) and downfall in >> business (7H ). >> > >> > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the >> 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H >> fact. >> > >> > The only good thing can be that the Native can >> have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The >> reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 >> will always be in the 6-12 axis. >> > >> > Hope I added something to this discussion. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > >> > Sourav >> > >> > ================================================ >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ om tat sat ~ >> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >> Achyuta Ashram. >> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare >> Rama Krishna' >> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >> Great who said that the human stomach should not >> become a graveyard for animals. >> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >> free chart reading today >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. >> > >> > b.. To from this group, send an email >> to: >> > >> > >> > c.. Your use of is subject to the >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase. > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal and Sourav, Namaskar Mars is currently reaching the peak of its retrogresion, with the Sun being opposite it. This is like a Full-Mars, and these days you may be abit more sensitive towards other peoples mails and statements. Someone also had something to say about me recently, but since it was a clear misunderstanding of context, i didn’t do anything more about it... One who has faith like Prahlada doesn’t need to defend themself, and we should all aspire to attain a state like this. Also keep in mind that writing is seen from the third house. The main karaka for the third house is Mars, thus it is inevitable that when some people start writing, they begin throwing all sorts of ‘red-ink’ on the paper, especially with the difference in culture among the written and spoken languages. So guys... relax, and spend your energy on something more worthwhile. Maybe take a break from writing for a a day or two to get some perspective. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 07 November 2005 08:14 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Dear Sourav, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">I am not asking You to use "please". 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">But when You want me to do something You can't do this with tone / mood You are using in Your posts, because I dont treat You as authority. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Please continue Jyotish with culture. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Regards font-family:Arial">Rafal Gendarz 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> font-family:Arial">- Sourav Chowdhury font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold"> font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Monday, November 07, 2005 2:53 AM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">[Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji 12.0pt"> || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Rafal, namaskar. I feel you are incensed. There was really no bad intention, hence I assure you that you may not take up a defensive position. Thanks for pointing out that you were discussing on navamsa only and not rasi. You should know that people do make such mistakes. I apologize for this mistake. Being a fellow student, "please" is not necessary. If you deem it necessary I will use "please" but with this attitude you will perhaps curtail your ability to learn from your fellow students and/or help them to learn from you. Again my opinion, and you may disagree. Everyone one of us sees the world in the specific way we unconsciously/consciously want to. Visti-ji and I had a discussion before about this (w.r.t A3 placement). Best regards, Sourav ================================================= , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav, > Comments below. > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > Sourav Chowdhury > > Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:40 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Rafal, > > Namaskar. Comments below. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================ > , "Rafal Gendarz" starsuponme@w... wrote: > > > > II Hare Rama Krsna II > > Dear Sourav, > > > > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. > > [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for rasi. > > > > [Rafal] Therefore You are to quick to comment. > > It was Navamsa. > > > > 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the house of relationship in the field of dharma (which includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7 indicates the persons with whom the native has those relationships and it very general in nature. Hence, to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's book. > > [Rafal] > > I dont use Arudha's in Navamsa per my Guruji teachings. > > You dont have position to advise me what to read without "please". > > > > > > > > - > > Sourav Chowdhury > > > > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > 8L in 7H > > > > > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of marriage > > > > > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / resources comming from > > > community or family > > > > > > > > > Why ? > > > > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz. longivity etc. 8L has the potential and responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks. While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives malefic aspects there, evils to marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. > > > > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed in background of rasi occupation and other aspects of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige (making way for a second wife) and downfall in business (7H ). > > > > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H fact. > > > > The only good thing can be that the Native can have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8 will always be in the 6-12 axis. > > > > Hope I added something to this discussion. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > b.. > > > c.. > > > > 12.0pt"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dear Guruji, Namaskar, Clear. I am concious about all facts You mentioned in this post. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Visti Larsen Monday, November 07, 2005 9:02 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar I thought i was clear on this issue with you... Haven’t i taught you about the difference between sphuta-arudha and the normal arudha, and how this is to be calculated in vargas? I refrain from using Arudhas in vargas, but i do use them, and was also encoraged to. Point is that this is becoming a very refined area of the natives life, and unless it stands out in particular, i don’t really use it. Example: The arudha lagna is used in the D10 to see the reputation in ones profession. This is especially important in the charts of politicians and movie stars, where their entire public life revolves around this ‘public arudha’. But for us mere mortals where the ‘public arudha’ and ‘actual arudha’ are more or less the same, we can settle with using the arudha lagna of the rasi chart. Clear? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz07 November 2005 08:09To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji Dear Michael,If I rememember correctly our Guruji uses Houses as Lagnain D-12/D-9 and Lords as Lagna in D-3/D-7. No Arudha's in Varga's.Hope Guruji will correct If I am wrong.RegardsRafal Gendarz- "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal >To: <>Monday, November 07, 2005 7:07 AMSubject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji> ::Hare Rama Krsna::>> Dear Sourav,>> I have only ever used the seventh house lord in> Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the lord> of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- that> house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent post> Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of spouse.> Can you please share your understanding of using UL> in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for a> particular purpose, or for all matters in general?> And when would one use simply the 7th house itself as> lagna of spouse?>> Respectfully,> Michal>> ::Om Namo Narayanaya::>> --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 > wrote:>>>>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||>>>> Dear Rafal,>>>> Namaskar. Comments below.>>>> Best wishes,>>>> Sourav>>>> ================================================>> --- In , "Rafal Gendarz">> <starsuponme@w...> wrote:>> >>> > II Hare Rama Krsna II>> > Dear Sourav,>> >>> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna.>>>> [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for 8L>> in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is for>> rasi.>>>> 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows>> family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the>> house of relationship in the field of dharma (which>> includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). A7>> indicates the persons with whom the native has those>> relationships and it very general in nature. Hence,>> to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the>> lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read Upa>> Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in Visti-ji's>> book.>>>> Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we had a>> discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in>> Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana will>> cause problems in relationships (more so as it is>> excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not destroy>> the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's>> comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third>> bullet).>>>>>> >>> > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi>> manth Yoga,>> > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then one>> is striving for knowledge,>> > but this knowledge will not be available if this>> 3L,5L,6L has some>> > connection to Lagna.>>>> [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. If>> the lords of the said houses have connection to the>> lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not>> graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a>> fruitful and satisfying experience. Read Visti-ji's>> book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart 87>> is discusse.>>>> So Lord of House in Lagna gives some *AVAILABILITY*.>> Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second>> house You get some availability corresponding to 2H>> matters.>>>>>> [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But the>> understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to use>> UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse.>>>> A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi>> (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's chart>> in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra in>> the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the>> theory.>>>>>>>>>> > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic it>> is good for maintanence of marriage.>> >>> > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong.>> >>> > Regards>> > Rafal Gendarz>> >>> > - >> > Sourav Chowdhury>> > >> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM>> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About>> Navamsa--Rafal ji>> >>> >>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||>> >>> > Dear Rafal,>> >>> >>> > > 8L in 7H>> > >>> > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance of>> marriage>> > >>> > > b) spouse has help and availabilities />> resources comming from>> > > community or family>> > >>> >>> >>> > Why ?>> >>> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few viz.>> longivity etc. 8L has the potential and>> responsibility to creat obstacles and gives shocks.>> While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of>> problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives>> difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle>> manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives>> malefic aspects there, evils to>> marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out.>> >>> > While I reiterate that 8L in 7H should be viewed>> in background of rasi occupation and other aspects>> of the chart, 8L in 7H can give breaks in marraige>> (making way for a second wife) and downfall in>> business (7H ).>> >>> > Parasara gives specific effects of grahas in the>> 7H. You can use that too along with the 8L-in-7H>> fact.>> >>> > The only good thing can be that the Native can>> have a long life if 8L is in a kendra (BPHS). The>> reason is that 8L rules longivity. In that case, A8>> will always be in the 6-12 axis.>> >>> > Hope I added something to this discussion.>> >>> > Best regards,>> >>> > Sourav>> >>> > ================================================>> >>> >>> >>> > ~ om tat sat ~>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>> Achyuta Ashram.>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare>> Rama Krishna'>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>> Great who said that the human stomach should not>> become a graveyard for animals.>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one>> free chart reading today>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.>> >>> > b.. To from this group, send an email>> to:>> > >> >>> > c.. Your use of is subject to the>> >> >>> >>> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.> http://farechase.>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today> Links>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 ::Hare Rama Krsna:: Dear Rafal, Sometimes things can be used, and they can be correct, other times something may be used, and may not be correct. Point is, I want to know why one thing is used, and why not another. For example, if we take lagna of parents to be fourth and ninth houses in D12, then parents would always have enmity towards each other, as these houses are 6/8 from each other. So I think that seeing the lords of these houses always has a place to determine relationships between people, whereas the house as Lagna might say something about them specifically. Still, I need confirmation or correction. So, could UL in Navamsa show the spouse as the person married to the native whose chart it is - while the 7th house and its lord may show the person themselves? Should we even use UL in Navamsa? And more importantly - why or why not? Respectfully Michal ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > Dear Michael, > > If I rememember correctly our Guruji uses Houses as > Lagna > in D-12/D-9 and Lords as Lagna in D-3/D-7. No > Arudha's in Varga's. > > Hope Guruji will correct If I am wrong. > > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal > <> > Monday, November 07, 2005 7:07 AM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About > Navamsa--Rafal ji > > > > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > I have only ever used the seventh house lord in > > Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the > lord > > of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- > that > > house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent > post > > Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of > spouse. > > Can you please share your understanding of using > UL > > in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for > a > > particular purpose, or for all matters in general? > > And when would one use simply the 7th house itself > as > > lagna of spouse? > > > > Respectfully, > > Michal > > > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > > > > --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: > > > >> > >> || Hare Rama Krishna || > >> > >> Dear Rafal, > >> > >> Namaskar. Comments below. > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Sourav > >> > >> ================================================ > >> , "Rafal > Gendarz" > >> <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > >> > > >> > II Hare Rama Krsna II > >> > Dear Sourav, > >> > > >> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. > >> > >> [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for > 8L > >> in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is > for > >> rasi. > >> > >> 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows > >> family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the > >> house of relationship in the field of dharma > (which > >> includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). > A7 > >> indicates the persons with whom the native has > those > >> relationships and it very general in nature. > Hence, > >> to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the > >> lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read > Upa > >> Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in > Visti-ji's > >> book. > >> > >> Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we > had a > >> discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in > >> Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana > will > >> cause problems in relationships (more so as it is > >> excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not > destroy > >> the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's > >> comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third > >> bullet). > >> > >> > >> > > >> > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi > >> manth Yoga, > >> > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then > one > >> is striving for knowledge, > >> > but this knowledge will not be available if > this > >> 3L,5L,6L has some > >> > connection to Lagna. > >> > >> [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. > If > >> the lords of the said houses have connection to > the > >> lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not > >> graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a > >> fruitful and satisfying experience. Read > Visti-ji's > >> book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart > 87 > >> is discusse. > >> > >> So Lord of House in Lagna gives some > *AVAILABILITY*. > >> Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second > >> house You get some availability corresponding to > 2H > >> matters. > >> > >> > >> [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But > the > >> understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to > use > >> UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse. > >> > >> A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi > >> (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's > chart > >> in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra > in > >> the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the > >> theory. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic > it > >> is good for maintanence of marriage. > >> > > >> > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Rafal Gendarz > >> > > >> > - > >> > Sourav Chowdhury > >> > > >> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM > >> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About > >> Navamsa--Rafal ji > >> > > >> > > >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || > >> > > >> > Dear Rafal, > >> > > >> > > >> > > 8L in 7H > >> > > > >> > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance > of > >> marriage > >> > > > >> > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / > >> resources comming from > >> > > community or family > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > Why ? > >> > > >> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few > viz. > >> longivity etc. 8L has the potential and > >> responsibility to creat obstacles and gives > shocks. > >> While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of > >> problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives > >> difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle > >> manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives > >> malefic aspects there, evils to > >> marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Michal Coments below Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal <> Monday, November 07, 2005 9:37 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About Navamsa--Rafal ji > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: > > Dear Rafal, > > Sometimes things can be used, and they can be correct, > other times something may be used, and may not be > correct. [Rafal] It depends which epistemology do You take. There is Sabda, Anumana, Pratyaksa. You can verify Your research through Anumana and Pratyaksa, but basis is Sabda (Authority). This is how all Vedic Sciences are being learned. If in spirit of own speculations we reject it then there are problems seen in forums. Pratyaksa and Anumana are only to understand Sabda (be it Guru or Sastra words), if You see they are contradictory then we can consult it with Gurudev. Therefore I wanted to write what Guruji says to have some basis. Point is, I want to know why one thing is > used, and why not another. [Rafal] Yes. Understanding is important. > > For example, if we take lagna of parents to be fourth > and ninth houses in D12, then parents would always > have enmity towards each other, as these houses are > 6/8 from each other. So I think that seeing the lords > of these houses always has a place to determine > relationships between people, whereas the house as > Lagna might say something about them specifically. [Rafal] In relation matters You always take the lords, or Arudha's (if we talk about tangible things as money etc). In D-12 profession of mother You see from Lagna (Tenth from forth house not from forth lord). You can of course take all artha-trikona's. > > Still, I need confirmation or correction. > > So, could UL in Navamsa show the spouse as the person > married to the native whose chart it is - while the > 7th house and its lord may show the person themselves? Sanjay Ji said it is Satrupada of Spouse being sixth from seventh house. Sometime in past it was told that UL in D-9 is how spouse is percieved on Your own (independently from position of being our partner), then I was taught not using UL, now it is taught to use it as A6 of spouse. > Should we even use UL in Navamsa? And more > importantly - why or why not? Harihara in Prasna Marga talks about degrees of Arudha. Therefore You can translate AL from Rasi to other Varga's. However with other Arudha's there can be problems. This is how I understood this topic. Hope it helps, Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Respectfully > Michal > > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > >> Dear Michael, >> >> If I rememember correctly our Guruji uses Houses as >> Lagna >> in D-12/D-9 and Lords as Lagna in D-3/D-7. No >> Arudha's in Varga's. >> >> Hope Guruji will correct If I am wrong. >> >> Regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> - >> "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal >> <> >> Monday, November 07, 2005 7:07 AM >> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About >> Navamsa--Rafal ji >> >> >> > ::Hare Rama Krsna:: >> > >> > Dear Sourav, >> > >> > I have only ever used the seventh house lord in >> > Navamsa to determine Lagna of spouse ie. take the >> lord >> > of the 7th in Navamsa and see where it is placed- >> that >> > house should be treated as Lagna. In a recent >> post >> > Sanjay mentioned UL in Navamsa is satrupada of >> spouse. >> > Can you please share your understanding of using >> UL >> > in the Navamsa as Lagna of the spouse. Is it for >> a >> > particular purpose, or for all matters in general? >> > And when would one use simply the 7th house itself >> as >> > lagna of spouse? >> > >> > Respectfully, >> > Michal >> > >> > ::Om Namo Narayanaya:: >> > >> > --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108 wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> >> >> Dear Rafal, >> >> >> >> Namaskar. Comments below. >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> Sourav >> >> >> >> ================================================ >> >> , "Rafal >> Gendarz" >> >> <starsuponme@w...> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > II Hare Rama Krsna II >> >> > Dear Sourav, >> >> > >> >> > In Navamsa You can treat seventh lord as Lagna. >> >> >> >> [sourav]: First of all, were your comments (for >> 8L >> >> in 7H etc) for Navamsa or Rasi. I thought it is >> for >> >> rasi. >> >> >> >> 7H shows relationships of all sorts (2H shows >> >> family, 11H shows friends). In Navamsa, 7H in the >> >> house of relationship in the field of dharma >> (which >> >> includes marriage as marriage is part of dharma). >> A7 >> >> indicates the persons with whom the native has >> those >> >> relationships and it very general in nature. >> Hence, >> >> to see the wife in particular, use Upapada as the >> >> lagna of the spouse and derive the results. Read >> Upa >> >> Pada chapter in BPHS. and article 10.2 in >> Visti-ji's >> >> book. >> >> >> >> Incidentally, a few weeks ago in this list, we >> had a >> >> discussion about what happens if Ma and Sa are in >> >> Makara in 7H. I said Ma in Maranakarakasthana >> will >> >> cause problems in relationships (more so as it is >> >> excited in Cp) but Sa in own sign will not >> destroy >> >> the house. For this, you should read, Visti-ji's >> >> comments in his book (Art. 10.2.2 Page 223 third >> >> bullet). >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > In my Guruji book, there is paragraph about Dhi >> >> manth Yoga, >> >> > where it is said that if LL is in 3,5,6 then >> one >> >> is striving for knowledge, >> >> > but this knowledge will not be available if >> this >> >> 3L,5L,6L has some >> >> > connection to Lagna. >> >> >> >> [sourav]: I think there is a typo you made here. >> If >> >> the lords of the said houses have connection to >> the >> >> lagna like conjuction and rasi drishti (and not >> >> graha drishti only) then the yoga results in a >> >> fruitful and satisfying experience. Read >> Visti-ji's >> >> book 8.3.2.1 in the paragraph just before Chart >> 87 >> >> is discusse. >> >> >> >> So Lord of House in Lagna gives some >> *AVAILABILITY*. >> >> Therefore treating 7H as Lagna and 8L as second >> >> house You get some availability corresponding to >> 2H >> >> matters. >> >> >> >> >> >> [sourav]: I understand your line of thought. But >> the >> >> understanding I have and my Guru-ji gave, is to >> use >> >> UL in Navamsa as lagna of spouse. >> >> >> >> A couple of days ago in thi lists, Lakshmi Didi >> >> (Lakshmi Kary) gave an example of a native's >> chart >> >> in which, in Navamsa, 8L is Ju in 7H and 7L is Ra >> in >> >> the 8H. you can use this chart to understand the >> >> theory. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think I am still right with 8L in 7H benefic >> it >> >> is good for maintanence of marriage. >> >> > >> >> > Hope Guruji will correct me if I am wrong. >> >> > >> >> > Regards >> >> > Rafal Gendarz >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > Sourav Chowdhury >> >> > >> >> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 2:23 AM >> >> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: About >> >> Navamsa--Rafal ji >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > || Hare Rama Krishna || >> >> > >> >> > Dear Rafal, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > 8L in 7H >> >> > > >> >> > > a) if benefic it can be good for sustanance >> of >> >> marriage >> >> > > >> >> > > b) spouse has help and availabilities / >> >> resources comming from >> >> > > community or family >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Why ? >> >> > >> >> > 8H has quite evil significances except a few >> viz. >> >> longivity etc. 8L has the potential and >> >> responsibility to creat obstacles and gives >> shocks. >> >> While malefic 8L in 7H can create all sorts of >> >> problems in the worst way, benefic 8L still gives >> >> difficulties nonetheless, perhaps in a bit gentle >> >> manner. If 8L is benefic and in 7H, and receives >> >> malefic aspects there, evils to >> >> marraige/relationships cannot be ruled out. >> > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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