reading for freind who is depressed with his life

November 8, 2005

Rahu, Ketu, aspects, innumerable charts have such configurations or even worse

and people are living very happy. No curse and nothing. Horoscope shows Karma,

not curse. Curse of the Brahmin is his Karma and how that can appear in the

victim's chart? Further, the victim has Sun in 4th, Merc in 5th, Sani in 6th

and Moon in 10th. Excellent disposition from Moon as well.

I have not seen in any answer to my questions in your reply - you have explained

manythings but that have no relevance to the specific issue

Surya Rao lakshmikary <lakshmikary > wrote:

Hare KrishnaDear Surya,I will answer you by pointing out some things that give a

common sense answer.(Firstly , do you accept Rashi dristhi?Do you accept ketu as

co-lord of scorpio and rahu as co-lord of aquarious?)Various points:The fellow

has the karmic control planets ,Ketu and Rahu in the 1/7 axis.The self and

partners.Rahu is the 7th house itself causes all sorts of grief, and is

considered a bad placement.He has Venus, the LL, and Mars the 7th lord COMBUST

the Sun.Venus,LL also happens to be the 6th lord, AND Mars(7thlord) happens to

also be the 12th lord.Therefor we can assume this man has some bad karma in

relationships.Why do people have a peticuliar type of suffering.?Let us look

where there are other problems.Jupiter representing dharma and knowledge and

the guru is exchanging

aspects with his enemy Rahu.This shows some conflicts and bad karma between the

two.Jupiter is very unhappy He is in maranakarakastan.Jupiter(karaka for

guru)also is aspected by Rahu and Sat by graha drishti and via rashi dristhi

Jupiter, is aspected by the nodes.(Jupiter is also in a 6/8 relationship with

Moon)9thlord(as karaka for guru) is in the 6th.9th lord is aspected by

rahu9lord Sat and 7th lord Mars are debilitated in navamsa chart.Via rashi

dristhi Sat is aspected by Ketu, Mars and Sun.Think of all the ways people can

be cursed.and also think why would someone curse another?In terms of curses,

which would be the ill will if you want to call it from another , have to be

represented by the malefic planets .There are the ones that give suffering from

suffering, sorrow and Mars anger, fighting injuries, wounds etc.Rahu is a

cheater, and a snake and poisonious and in this case is in the sign of

scorpio as well.3 malefics in kendras constitutes sarpa yoga as well.1)No matter

how you see it, significations for 9th house and guru are afflicited in a

variety of ways.2) Also lagna and LL is afflicted by the nodes, and

combustion!.3)7th house and lord are afflicted.As well as karaka for love and

spouse Venus.What kind of a desire or effect you think Sat and Rahu will

give?Will it make Jupiter happy to have two enemies influencing him.?Dont

forget that he started life in Rahu, then went to Jupiter( a bad lord) in the

3rd house, then to Saturn (a yogakaraka planet) in the 6th house.I do not know

and cant "prove " he has a curse from a brahmin, but i think it is safe to say

that he certainly has some bad karmas that are making him suffer alot in

various aspects of his life.Do you disagree with that?PLease tell me why this

man has so much suffering?With regards,Lakshmiyou can read in

Jaimini Sutras for references to different types of suffering.--- In

, Surya Rao <suryarao12> wrote:>> > >

lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:> Dear Surya,> A curse is occuring when

two or more, malefics aspect by graha drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this

represents the desires of revenge > > > > Do you have any authoritative

references for this statement? Two malefics in one house or aspecting one house

is a very common feature and how can you say such a configuration shows curse?

If that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology. > > > > I had asked many

questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin curse was inferred with exalted 8th

lord Guru in 3rd house? > > > > It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that

he is under some curse.

Such a comment should not be superficial as we are dealing with a fellow human

being and we will be injuring his psyche by conveying such a thing. My question

was, whether in the given example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a

curse and from Brahmin etc. > > > > A man who gives mantra to others to ward

off the curses must know clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which

authority supports that inference? > > > > I spoke in the interest of the

querent individual and also of the Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame

excuses instead of placing his conviction on the inference before me. He was

not confident of his knowledge and his inference. We should not touch the

occult and give remedies when we are not confident of what we are doing. I hope

you will agree with me. > > > > I hope you will take my words in the right

spirit.

> > > > Surya Rao > > > > > > > > or desire to punish, due to , of

Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets aspect a

rashi and ALSO the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted you can

assume there is a > curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets

ouses,karakas,etc) being aspected.> ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected by

several malefics, and ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th lord

then you can > say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs, etc.> Only a

powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and > suffering, of

shock,sorrow and anger would need to be extreme.> Please read Vistis reply and

look at chart shown and you will > understand.> Please visit these sites and

read about curses for further info> Gaurangas site

also has a good article on black magic curses,etc,> With regards,> Lakshmi> Sri

Jagannath Center http://www..org/ > Sanjay Rath

http://srath.com/> Jyotish Digest and sample articles >

http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htm> Freedom Cole articles

http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.html> Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com/articles.htm> Lakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/>

Gauranga Das and Swee Chan Lessons and Vedic classics BPHS etc >

http://www.brihaspati.net/> Phylis and Marcus website

http://www.healingjyotish.com/> Willa Kiezer> Partha Saraswathy

http://partvinu.tripod.com/parthaastro/index.html > Narayan Iyer

http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com > Sanjau Prabhakuran

http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/> Sarajit Poddar blog spot

http://varahamihira.blogspot.com> Andrew Foss

http://vedicsoftware.com/Avasthas_files/frame.htm> Narasimha Rao

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<suryarao12> > wrote:> >> > Dear Larsenji, > > > > It looks as if you are

deriving astrology from epics and puranas. > But even after reading that

I am unable to understand as to > > > > (1) How you inferred a curse of the

Brahmin from the 3rd house > position of 8th lord Guru in exaltation? > > > >

(2) How you reconciled the chart and the experiences given? Does > the events

and life portrayed agree with the chart obtained? Can the > possibility of a

wrong chart or birth details be ruled out? > > > > Surya Rao> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> > v\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url> (#default#VML);}w\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape >

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }> > ||Hare

Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Vidya, Namaskar> > > > This

applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of > brahmin, Jupiter

is the cause of the curse.> > > > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is

aspected by Saturn and > Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Vishnu

had earned > from Narada Muni.> > > > The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then

show the intention behind > the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are

not.> > > > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of >

Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying > to protect

Narada Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his > intention was good.> >

> > The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when >

performing the action which earned the curse.> > > > In Sri Ramas

chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was > fully aware when he turned

Narada Muni's face into that of a monkey.> > > > > > > > We can go on;> > > >

> > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will show > the

area which is affected by the curse. > > > > In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is

the more malefic among Saturn and > Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and

eighth house, thus pain and > sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh)

and there will also > be suffering in the form of separation in relationships

(eighth). > This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by the woman

> he wished to marry.> > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger

came to him > through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a

devotee), and > through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was

> denied him).> > > > Best wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > > For

services and articles visit: > > > > http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com> > > > ***> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

[] On Behalf Of Sri Vidya> > 04

November 2005 15:47> > > > RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is depressed > with his life> > > > > > >

> > > Namaste Sri Visti,> > > >

You said that the native earned a curse because he did> > something evil to a

brahmin because Jupiter is placed> > in 3rd house. Is this a general rule that

if any> > planet is in marana karaka sthana in rasi chart that> > means there

is some curse according to specifications> > of the planet (For example,

Jupiter signifies Brahmin,> > Venus signifies Spouse etc). Then what could be

the> > remedies in such a case?> > Regards,> > vidya> > > > --- Visti Larsen

<visti@s...> wrote:> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi,

Namaskar> > > > > > By predicting when a person will divorce, i would be> > >

encouraging them. I'm> > > not ready for that type of karma. Instead i should>

> > make him aware of why he> > > is facing this karma, and

tell him that he earned> > > this curse because of> > > something very evil that

he did to a brahmin,> > > because Jupiter is placed in> > > the third house... i

wonder what this could mean!> > > > > > > > > > > > Firstly, i picked Shiva

because Shiva is said to the> > > perfection of our own> > > soul/atma, and

thus through Shiva we can overcome> > > the karma that our soul is> > >

carrying around. If we do not correct this, the> > > person could be in

eternal> > > limbo throughout their life.> > > > > > Secondly the specific form

is seen from the planet i> > > picked. Jupiter is the> > > atmakaraka whom i

wanto 'correct' and when we want> > > Jupiter to act as> > > exalted, i pick

the form of Shiva of Jupiters>

> > exaltation sign. I.e. Cancer,> > > which is Omkareshvara.> > > > > > Thirdly

is to fix the beejas following. Each> > > Jyotirlinga is said to have> > >

specific beejas attached to it, but we can also> > > change these depending on>

> > the purpose. I.e. for health we can use 'haum joom> > > sah'. Otherwise we

pick> > > the beejas which are normally associated with the> > > jyotirlinga.>

> > > > > For Omkareshvara it is 'Om Om Sah', thus the mantra> > > becomes; 'Om

Namah> > > Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah'.> > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly,

the repititions are adjusted based on the> > > ammount of words in the> > >

mantra. i.e. in the Hare Krishna Mahamantra, 16> > > words are used, thus

16x108> > > times is the minimum ammount of repititions.> > > Similarly this

mantra has 7> > > words, thus 7x108 repititions is required. 40 days> > > is a

standard which i> > > think has its root in the 40 siddha-vidyas of the> > >

vimsamsa (d20), thus the> > > reason we the vimsamsa 'upasanamsa'.> > > > > >

Shivo'ham Shivo'ham.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > ***> > > > > > Visti

Larsen> > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > >

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > > <http://astrovisti.com>> >

> http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > ***> > > > > > _____ > > > > > >

> > > [] On> > >

Behalf Of lakshmikary> > > 04 November 2005 01:03> > > To:

> > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

freind> > > who is depressed with his> > > life> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare

Krishna> > > Dear Visti,> > > Thanks so much for the recommendation! Yes he is>

> > devotee of Lord > > > Shiva, and yes, his problem was troubles since day> >

> one.> > > CAn you see when it will be over? Will he divorce?> > > When?> > >

I

agree with prediction about Merc maha dasa, this> > > is what i told > > > him,

but why do you say it probably isnt overseas?> > > Take Merc as lagna and it

seems to me it could be in> > > foreign lands.> > > Also all planets aspecting

12 house..> > > However with fixed signs he might end up finishing> > > his

life in > > > homeland, and not stay in foreign soil...> > > I think success in

some telecommunications,media?> > > CAn you tell me why you picked that

peticuliar> > > mantra, and also why > > > the number of mantras etc thanks> >

> lakshmi> > > > > > -- In , "Visti Larsen"> > >

<visti@s...> > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > > > Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > > > > > How is your friends health? Has he had any ear>

> > problems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His Upapada is in the eighth

house, and its lord> > > is in a curse of > > > Brahmin.> > > > This is why he

is suffering so much in marriage,> > > and the curse is > > > on his own> > > >

Atma (jup is ak), so the experience is very> > > intense. The curse > > > will

be there> > > > from day-one in his marriage.> > > > > > > > Mercury Mahadasa

is coming and will be much much> > > easier. Mercury > > > is exalted> > > > in

the second from arudha lagna, giving land and> > > wealth in a big > > > way. I>

> > >

don't think it will be abroad.> > > > > > > > But he needs to recite an

atmalinga mantra to> > > really get out of > > > the problems> > > > that he

faces.> > > > > > > > Ask him to recite this mantra for Shiva; Om Namah> > >

Shivaaya > > > Omkareshvaraaya> > > > Om Om Sah. Doing this for 7x108 malas for

40 days,> > > will give him > > > very good> > > > results and help him out of

the curse which is on> > > his head.> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > >

***> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > >

<http://astrovisti.com>> > > > http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > > > ***> > > >

> > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > >

[] On> > > > Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary> > > >

03 November 2005 20:29> > > > vedic astrology;> > >

varahamihira;> > > > > > > >

[Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who> > > is depressed > > > with

his life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare

Krishna> > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha freinds,> > > > > > > > Im inviting whoever

would please write some> > > readings for my friend.> > > > > > > > He is

depressed for a long time, unable to find a> > > job, and > > > wanting to get

a> > > > divorce as his married life is unbearable.> > > > > > > > Previously he

had stayed in USA and made good> > > money at a finance > > > job.> > > > > ===

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> > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said >

that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > (3)

Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > >

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Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should

not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed -

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November 8, 2005

Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his wife as he had molested the

wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her chastity which protected her husband. And

she had given a curse and how that is reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This

is one story in Purana.

Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit (by shooting from

behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc and how that is reflected in the

horoscopes of later avatars?

What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all kshatriyas 21 times against rules

of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two avtaras came to operate at the same time if

Karma rules affected them?

What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again for the thefts he

made in Gokulam and also on the banks of Yamuna?

If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha with Sri Rama's horoscope - I

think it is poor scientific attitude. Please try to change. As I understand

neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira never quoted any such horoscope. To my

knowledge, a Jyotishi should not use a horoscope without knowing the date of

birth, time and place of birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data

cannot be studying material for Jyotisha...

surya raoath.org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Surya, Namaskar

You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two mails, and i answered each

of them. You did not ask for references. If you believe Maharishi Parasara,

then please refer to the Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora

Shastra. Here he uses the principles for seeing childnesness, but this extends

to other houses to see how the curse manifests in other parts of life, just as

Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin shaapa seperating him from his throne,

family and then his own wife.

You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of Jupiter in the

third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where i thoroughly

went through all the points:

------------

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vidya, Namaskar

This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of brahmin,

Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and Mars, thus

forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had earned from Narada Muni.

The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention behind the curse.

Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.

In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of Sri Rama/Sri

Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada Muni

from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his intention was good.

The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when performing the

action which earned the curse.

In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was fully aware when

he turned Narada Muni’s face into that of a monkey.

We can go on;

The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will show the area which

is affected by the curse.

In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn

lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will come to

relationships/wife (seventh) and there will also be suffering in the form of

separation in relationships (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself

been rejected by the woman he wished to marry.

Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him through his

devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and through his kingship (tenth

house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).

I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Surya Rao08 November 2005 19:42To:

Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind

who is depressed with his life

lakshmikary <lakshmikary > wrote:

Dear Surya,A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics aspect by graha

drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this represents the desires of revenge

Do you have any authoritative references for this statement? Two malefics in one

house or aspecting one house is a very common feature and how can you say such a

configuration shows curse? If that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology.

I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin curse was inferred

with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house?

It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he is under some curse. Such a

comment should not be superficial as we are dealing with a fellow human being

and we will be injuring his psyche by conveying such a thing. My question was,

whether in the given example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a curse

and from Brahmin etc.

A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the curses must know clearly as to

how he inferred the curse and which authority supports that inference?

I spoke in the interest of the querent individual and also of the Jyotishi. Then

Jyotishi said some lame excuses instead of placing his conviction on the

inference before me. He was not confident of his knowledge and his inference.

We should not touch the occult and give remedies when we are not confident of

what we are doing. I hope you will agree with me.

I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

Surya Rao

or desire to punish, due to , of Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat (sorry))so when 2 or

more malefic planets aspect a rashi and ALSO the same karakas of houses are

similairly afflicted you can assume there is a curse, other peticulairs depend

on the planets ouses,karakas,etc) being aspected.ie if moon is conjoined and or

aspected by several malefics, and ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also

4th lord then you can say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs,

etc.Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and suffering,

of shock,sorrow and anger

would need to be extreme.Please read Vistis reply and look at chart shown and

you will understand.Please visit these sites and read about curses for further

infoGaurangas site also has a good article on black magic curses,etc,With

regards,LakshmiSri Jagannath Center http://www..org/

Sanjay Rath http://srath.com/Jyotish Digest and sample articles

http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htmFreedom Cole articles

http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.htmlVisti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com/articles.htmLakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/Gauranga

Das and Swee Chan Lessons and Vedic classics BPHS etc

http://www.brihaspati.net/Phylis and Marcus website

http://www.healingjyotish.com/Willa KiezerPartha Saraswathy

http://partvinu.tripod.com/parthaastro/index.html Narayan Iyer

http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com Sanjau Prabhakuran

http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/Sarajit Poddar blog spot

http://varahamihira.blogspot.comAndrew Foss

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Larsenji, > > It looks as if you are deriving astrology from epics and

puranas.

But even after reading that I am unable to understand as to > > (1) How you

inferred a curse of the Brahmin from the 3rd house position of 8th lord Guru in

exaltation? > > (2) How you reconciled the chart and the experiences given?

Does the events and life portrayed agree with the chart obtained? Can the

possibility of a wrong chart or birth details be ruled out? > > Surya Rao> >

> > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> v\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }> ||Hare

Rama Krsna||> > Dear Vidya, Namaskar> > This applies to the planets causing the

curse. I.e. in a curse of brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.> >

Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and Mars, thus

forming the curse of Brahmin, which Vishnu had earned from Narada Muni.> > The

bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention behind the curse.

Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter

is in kendra thus the intention of

Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect

Narada Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his intention was good.> >

The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when performing

the action which earned the curse.> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted

thus he (as vishnu) was fully aware when he turned Narada Muni's face into that

of a monkey.> > >

> We can go on;> > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet

will show the area which is affected by the curse. > > In Sri Ramas chart,

Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh

and eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will come to relationships/wife

(seventh) and there will also be suffering in the form of separation in

relationships (eighth). This was

because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by the woman he wished to marry.>

Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him through his

devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and through his kingship (tenth

house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).> > Best wishes,> > ***> >

Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit:

> > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > >

> > >

[] On Behalf Of Sri Vidya> 04 November

2005 15:47>

New">> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is depressed with

his life> > > > > Namaste Sri Visti,> > You said that the native earned a

curse because he did> something evil to a brahmin because Jupiter is placed> in

3rd house. Is this a general rule that if any> planet is in marana karaka sthana

in rasi chart that> means there is some curse according to specifications> of

the planet (For example, Jupiter signifies Brahmin,> Venus signifies Spouse

etc). Then what could be the> remedies in such a case?> Regards,> vidya> > ---

Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Lakshmi,

Namaskar> > > > By predicting when a person will divorce, i would be> >

encouraging

them. I'm> > not ready for that type of karma. Instead i should> > make him

aware of why he> > is facing this karma, and tell him that he earned> > this

curse because of> > something very evil that he did to a brahmin,> > because

Jupiter is placed in> > the third house... i wonder what this could mean!> > >

> > > > > Firstly, i picked Shiva because Shiva is said to the> >

perfection of our own> > soul/atma, and thus through Shiva we can overcome> >

the karma that our soul is> > carrying around. If we do not correct this, the>

> person could be in eternal> > limbo throughout their life.> > > > Secondly

the specific form is seen from the planet i> > picked. Jupiter is the> >

atmakaraka whom i wanto 'correct' and when we want> > Jupiter to act as> >

exalted, i pick the form of Shiva of

Jupiters> > exaltation sign. I.e. Cancer,> > which is Omkareshvara.> > > >

Thirdly is to fix the beejas following. Each> > Jyotirlinga is said to have> >

specific beejas attached to it, but we can also> > change these depending on> >

the purpose. I.e. for health we can use 'haum joom> > sah'. Otherwise we pick> >

the beejas which are normally associated with the> > jyotirlinga.> >

> > For Omkareshvara it is 'Om Om Sah', thus the mantra> > becomes; 'Om Namah> >

Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah'.> > > > > > > > Lastly, the repititions are

adjusted based on the> > ammount of words in the> > mantra. i.e. in the Hare

Krishna Mahamantra, 16> > words are used, thus 16x108> > times is the minimum

ammount of repititions.> >

Similarly this mantra has 7> > words, thus 7x108 repititions is required. 40

days> > is a standard which i> > think has its root in the 40 siddha-vidyas of

the> > vimsamsa (d20), thus the> > reason we the vimsamsa 'upasanamsa'.> > > >

Shivo'ham Shivo'ham.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > >

For services and articles visit: > > > > <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com>> > http://astrovisti.com> >

> > ***> > > > _____ > > > >

> > [] On> >

Behalf Of lakshmikary> > 04 November 2005 01:03> > To:

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

freind> > who is depressed with his> > life> > > > > > > > Hare Krishna> >

Dear Visti,> > Thanks so much for the

recommendation! Yes he is> > devotee of Lord > > Shiva, and yes, his problem was

troubles since day> > one.> > CAn you see when it will be over? Will he

divorce?> > When?> > I agree with prediction about Merc maha dasa, this> > is

what i told > > him, but why do you say it probably isnt overseas?> > Take Merc

as lagna and it seems to me it could be in> > foreign lands.> > Also all planets

aspecting 12

house..> > However with fixed signs he might end up finishing> > his life in > >

homeland, and not stay in foreign soil...> > I think success in some

telecommunications,media?> > CAn you tell me why you picked that peticuliar> >

mantra, and also why > > the number of mantras etc thanks> > lakshmi> > > > --

In , "Visti Larsen"> > <visti@s...> > >

wrote:> > >> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > >

> How is your friends health? Has he had any ear> > problems?> > > > > > > > >

> > > His Upapada is in the eighth house, and its lord> > is in a curse of > >

Brahmin.>

> > This is why he is suffering so much in marriage,> > and the curse is > > on

his own> > > Atma (jup is ak), so the experience is very> > intense. The curse

> > will be there> > > from day-one in his marriage.> > > > > > Mercury

Mahadasa is coming and will be much much> > easier. Mercury > > is exalted> > >

in the second from arudha lagna, giving land and> >

wealth in a big > > way. I> > > don't think it will be abroad.> > > > > > But he

needs to recite an atmalinga mantra to> > really get out of > > the problems> >

> that he faces.> > > > > > Ask him to recite this mantra for Shiva; Om Namah>

> Shivaaya > > Omkareshvaraaya> > > Om Om Sah. Doing this for 7x108 malas for

40

days,> > will give him > > very good> > > results and help him out of the curse

which is on> > his head.> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > ***> > > > > >

Visti Larsen> > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > >

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com>> >

> http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > ***> > > > > > _____ > > > > > >

> > [] On> > >

Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary> > > 03 November 2005 20:29> > > To:

vedic astrology;> > varahamihira;> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind

who> > is depressed > > with his life> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna> > >

> > > Dear Jyotisha

freinds,> > > > > > Im inviting whoever would please write some> > readings for

my friend.> > > > > > He is depressed for a long time, unable to find a> >

job, and > > wanting to get a> > > divorce as his married life is unbearable.>

> > > > > Previously he had stayed in USA and made good> > money at a finance

> > job.> > > === message truncated ===> > > > >

> FareChase: Search multiple travel

sites in one click.> http://farechase.> > > > ~ om tat sat

~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian

- remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today > > > > > > !

GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > To

from this group, send an email to:>

> > Your use of is

subject to the > > >

>

> > > > > > FareChase -

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November 8, 2005

::Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Surya Rao,

> Rahu, Ketu, aspects, innumerable charts have such

> configurations or even worse and people are living

> very happy.

Please share with us some of these charts, with full

birth details and accurate times.

> Curse of the Brahmin is his Karma

> and how that can appear in the victim's chart?

> Horoscope shows

> Karma,

I think you've answered your own question here.

> Further, the victim has Sun in 4th, Merc in 5th,

> Sani in 6th and Moon in 10th.

So what are we to infer from this?

> I have not seen in any answer to my questions in

> your reply - you have explained manythings but that

> have no relevance to the specific issue

Please re-read the posts, all the answers are clearly

written there. It is a difficult subject, and

sometimes I find it easier to go over things slowly

and with more concentration to achieve just a small,

but valuable comprehension. We cannot expect answers

on demand - who are we anyway? We must work hard

ourselves. After being rational, we can then perhaps

look into the occult.

Respectfully,

Michal

::Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> It is only because of Karma I think souls return and

> another name of Jyotisha is Karma_Vidya. Giving the

> Prarabdha the colour and flavour of a curse - to

> what extend, Jyotisha allows it and what is the

> procedure? I had asked another simple thing, how the

> jyotishi ensured that the given chart, (birth

> details) was right - when for such a chart the

> experience was anomalous?

>

> Rahu, Ketu, aspects, innumerable charts have such

> configurations or even worse and people are living

> very happy. No curse and nothing. Horoscope shows

> Karma, not curse. Curse of the Brahmin is his Karma

> and how that can appear in the victim's chart?

> Further, the victim has Sun in 4th, Merc in 5th,

> Sani in 6th and Moon in 10th. Excellent disposition

> from Moon as well.

>

> I have not seen in any answer to my questions in

> your reply - you have explained manythings but that

> have no relevance to the specific issue

>

> Surya Rao

>

> lakshmikary <lakshmikary wrote:

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Surya,

> I will answer you by pointing out some things that

> give a common

> sense answer.

> (Firstly , do you accept Rashi dristhi?

> Do you accept ketu as co-lord of scorpio and rahu as

> co-lord of

> aquarious?)

>

> Various points:

> The fellow has the karmic control planets ,Ketu and

> Rahu in the 1/7

> axis.The self and partners.

> Rahu is the 7th house itself causes all sorts of

> grief, and is

> considered a bad placement.

>

> He has Venus, the LL, and Mars the 7th lord COMBUST

> the Sun.

> Venus,LL also happens to be the 6th lord, AND

> Mars(7thlord) happens

> to also be the 12th lord.

> Therefor we can assume this man has some bad karma

> in relationships.

> Why do people have a peticuliar type of suffering.?

> Let us look where there are other problems.

>

> Jupiter representing dharma and knowledge and the

> guru is exchanging

> aspects with his enemy Rahu.This shows some

> conflicts and bad karma

> between the two.

> Jupiter is very unhappy He is in maranakarakastan.

> Jupiter(karaka for guru)also is aspected by Rahu and

> Sat by graha

> drishti and via rashi dristhi Jupiter, is aspected

> by the nodes.

> (Jupiter is also in a 6/8 relationship with Moon)

>

> 9thlord(as karaka for guru) is in the 6th.

> 9th lord is aspected by rahu

> 9lord Sat and 7th lord Mars are debilitated in

> navamsa chart.

> Via rashi dristhi Sat is aspected by Ketu, Mars and

> Sun.

>

> Think of all the ways people can be cursed.

> and also think why would someone curse another?

> In terms of curses, which would be the ill will if

> you want to call

> it from another , have to be represented by the

> malefic planets .

> There are the ones that give suffering from

> suffering, sorrow and

> Mars anger, fighting injuries, wounds etc.

> Rahu is a cheater, and a snake and poisonious and in

> this case is in

> the sign of scorpio as well.

>

> 3 malefics in kendras constitutes sarpa yoga as

> well.

> 1)No matter how you see it, significations for 9th

> house and guru

> are afflicited in a variety of ways.

> 2) Also lagna and LL is afflicted by the nodes, and

> combustion!.

> 3)7th house and lord are afflicted.As well as

> karaka for love and

> spouse Venus.

>

> What kind of a desire or effect you think Sat and

> Rahu will give?

> Will it make Jupiter happy to have two enemies

> influencing him.?

> Dont forget that he started life in Rahu, then went

> to Jupiter( a

> bad lord) in the 3rd house, then to Saturn (a

> yogakaraka planet) in

> the 6th house.

>

> I do not know and cant "prove " he has a curse from

> a brahmin, but i

> think it is safe to say that he certainly has some

> bad karmas that

> are making him suffer alot in various aspects of his

> life.

> Do you disagree with that?

>

> PLease tell me why this man has so much suffering?

> With regards,

> Lakshmi

> you can read in Jaimini Sutras for references to

> different types of

> suffering.

>

> , Surya Rao

> <suryarao12>

> wrote:

> >

> > lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > Dear Surya,

> > A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics

> aspect by graha

> drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this represents

> the desires of

> revenge

> >

> > Do you have any authoritative references for this

> statement? Two

> malefics in one house or aspecting one house is a

> very common

> feature and how can you say such a configuration

> shows curse? If

> that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology.

> >

> > I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how

> the brahmin curse

> was inferred with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd

> house?

> >

> > It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he

> is under some

> curse. Such a comment should not be superficial as

> we are dealing

> with a fellow human being and we will be injuring

> his psyche by

> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in

> the given

> example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a

> curse and from

> Brahmin etc.

> >

> > A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the

> curses must know

> clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which

> authority supports

> that inference?

> >

> > I spoke in the interest of the querent individual

> and also of the

> Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses

> instead of placing

> his conviction on the inference before me. He was

> not confident of

> his knowledge and his inference. We should not touch

> the occult and

> give remedies when we are not confident of what we

> are doing. I hope

> you will agree with me.

> >

> > I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

>

> >

> > Surya Rao

> >

>

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::Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Surya Rao,

Parasara gave many combinations and interpretations

without giving any chart details. Do you think we

should discard his work?

Respectfully,

Michal

::Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> Namaskar,

>

> Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his

> wife as he had molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura

> to destroy her chastity which protected her husband.

> And she had given a curse and how that is reflected

> in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in

> Purana.

>

> Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali

> by deceit (by shooting from behind), Killing a

> woman, tataka etc and how that is reflected in the

> horoscopes of later avatars?

>

> What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all

> kshatriyas 21 times against rules of svadharma of a

> Brahmin? How two avtaras came to operate at the same

> time if Karma rules affected them?

>

> What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take

> birth again for the thefts he made in Gokulam and

> also on the banks of Yamuna?

>

> If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha

> with Sri Rama's horoscope - I think it is poor

> scientific attitude. Please try to change. As I

> understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira

> never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a

> Jyotishi should not use a horoscope without knowing

> the date of birth, time and place of birth and

> verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot be

> studying material for Jyotisha...

>

> surya rao

>

> ath.org> wrote:

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>

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> }

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Surya, Namaskar

>

> You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two

> mails, and i answered each of them. You did not ask

> for references. If you believe Maharishi Parasara,

> then please refer to the

> Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara

> Hora Shastra. Here he uses the principles for seeing

> childnesness, but this extends to other houses to

> see how the curse manifests in other parts of life,

> just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin shaapa

> seperating him from his throne, family and then his

> own wife.

>

> You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the

> placement of Jupiter in the third house. Here is

> what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where i

> thoroughly went through all the points:

>

> ------------

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vidya, Namaskar

>

> This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e.

> in a curse of brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the

> curse.

>

> Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected

> by Saturn and Mars, thus forming the curse of

> Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had earned from Narada

> Muni.

>

> The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the

> intention behind the curse. Kendra/Kona is good,

> whilst the rest are not.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the

> intention of Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri

> Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada Muni

> from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his

> intention was good.

>

> The sign placement will show the level of awareness

> involved when performing the action which earned the

> curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he

> (as vishnu) was fully aware when he turned Narada

> Muni’s face into that of a monkey.

>

> We can go on;

>

> The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed

> planet will show the area which is affected by the

> curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic

> among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh

> and eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will come to

> relationships/wife (seventh) and there will also be

> suffering in the form of separation in relationships

> (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself

> been rejected by the woman he wished to marry.

>

> Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger

> came to him through his devotees (fifth – narada

> muni was a devotee), and through his kingship (tenth

> house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).

>

> I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> [] On Behalf Of

> Surya Rao

> 08 November 2005 19:42

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind

> who is depressed with his life

lakshmikary <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Dear Surya,

> A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics

> aspect by graha drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc(

> this represents the desires of revenge

>

> Do you have any authoritative references for this

> statement? Two malefics in one house or aspecting

> one house is a very common feature and how can you

> say such a configuration shows curse? If that is so,

> then Jyotisha will become cursology.

>

> I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the

> brahmin curse was inferred with exalted 8th lord

> Guru in 3rd house?

>

> It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he

> is under some curse. Such a comment should not be

> superficial as we are dealing with a fellow human

> being and we will be injuring his psyche by

> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in

> the given example, sufficient grounds were there to

> decipher a curse and from Brahmin etc.

>

> A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the

> curses must know clearly as to how he inferred the

> curse and which authority supports that inference?

>

> I spoke in the interest of the querent individual

> and also of the Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some

> lame excuses instead of placing his conviction on

> the inference before me. He was not confident of his

> knowledge and his inference. We should not touch the

> occult and give remedies when we are not confident

> of what we are doing. I hope you will agree with me.

>

> I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

>

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HAre Krishna

Dear Surya,

Comments below., Surya Rao

<suryarao12> wrote:

>

> It is only because of Karma I think souls return and another name

of Jyotisha is Karma_Vidya. Giving the Prarabdha the colour and

flavour of a curse -

to what extend, Jyotisha allows it and what is the procedure? I had

asked another simple thing, how the jyotishi ensured that the given

chart, (birth details) was right - when for such a chart the

experience was anomalous?

No, the person gave me the data that was taken from his Janma

kundali.

Given the info we know,

His marraige is difficult and miserable.

He graduated with a degree in business admin, but was prevented from

attending a prestigious college invitation by his father,

His father hated him and beat him and his mother.

He works in finance mostly and or telecommunications

His job situation has either on or off. He either get s very good

job, but then no job for extended periods,

He suffers from depression and mood swings.

He broke his collar bone approx.march 2002

He was in a car accident dec/jan 2003

He was lived and worked in foreign lands on several occasions.

He is pious , vegetarian, and loves his homeland.

He is responsible and dutiful to family.

I think most of the people on this list would agree that this chart

is very likely correct based on the above.

You said'

> Rahu, Ketu, aspects, innumerable charts have such configurations

or even worse and people are living very happy. No curse and

nothing.

I say "NO I dont believe there are NO bad effects SOMEWHERE by the

combination and aspects and placements of malefics.as that is

totally contrary to logic."for example a snake in your bed might

not bite you but he sure as hell will scare you.!!

Sat and rahu in the 3rd house might not hurt you too much but might

kill your brother,."

You said"

Horoscope shows Karma, not curse. Curse of the Brahmin is his Karma

and how that can appear in the victim's chart? Further, the victim

has Sun in 4th, Merc in 5th, Sani in 6th and Moon in 10th. Excellent

disposition from Moon as well. "

I said"

Are you triyng to say that just becuase he has some exalted planets

you dont believe this chart is correct? If so im sorry but hundreds

of thousands of people have many exalted planets and it doestn

quarantee happiness what so ever.The highest suicide rate is in

geniouses!.A relgious and poius person can starve to death, a

criminal can lead a life of luxury,"The most miserable people in the

world are often the richest and famous."

Every chart is a combination of good and bad. Everyone has dustanas

in their charts along with malefic planets.

So to take birth in this material creation you have to have some

sin."

>

You said '

I have not seen in any answer to my questions in your reply - you

have explained manythings but that have no relevance to the specific

issue

I said" Mr. Rao, truelly i dont know what you are after, you seem to

have some idea in your mind why not just say it,

Why dont you give your interpretation and analysis rather than tell

us there is no curse,its easy to understand what a curse is..

just read srimad Bhagavatam and read SO many examples...

(which I cant understand why you dont accept "curses" if you ahve

read BPHS and Jaimini sutras,etc//

Sorry there is no resolution, except id liek your take(analysis) on

this chart.Rather than questioning us any more, we have attempted to

answer im sorry you still cant understand.,>

With best wishes,

Lakshmi

> Surya Rao

>

> lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:

> Hare Krishna

> Dear Surya,

> I will answer you by pointing out some things that give a common

> sense answer.

> (Firstly , do you accept Rashi dristhi?

> Do you accept ketu as co-lord of scorpio and rahu as co-lord of

> aquarious?)

>

> Various points:

> The fellow has the karmic control planets ,Ketu and Rahu in the

1/7

> axis.The self and partners.

> Rahu is the 7th house itself causes all sorts of grief, and is

> considered a bad placement.

>

> He has Venus, the LL, and Mars the 7th lord COMBUST the Sun.

> Venus,LL also happens to be the 6th lord, AND Mars(7thlord)

happens

> to also be the 12th lord.

> Therefor we can assume this man has some bad karma in

relationships.

> Why do people have a peticuliar type of suffering.?

> Let us look where there are other problems.

>

> Jupiter representing dharma and knowledge and the guru is

exchanging

> aspects with his enemy Rahu.This shows some conflicts and bad

karma

> between the two.

> Jupiter is very unhappy He is in maranakarakastan.

> Jupiter(karaka for guru)also is aspected by Rahu and Sat by graha

> drishti and via rashi dristhi Jupiter, is aspected by the nodes.

> (Jupiter is also in a 6/8 relationship with Moon)

>

> 9thlord(as karaka for guru) is in the 6th.

> 9th lord is aspected by rahu

> 9lord Sat and 7th lord Mars are debilitated in navamsa chart.

> Via rashi dristhi Sat is aspected by Ketu, Mars and Sun.

>

> Think of all the ways people can be cursed.

> and also think why would someone curse another?

> In terms of curses, which would be the ill will if you want to

call

> it from another , have to be represented by the malefic planets .

> There are the ones that give suffering from suffering, sorrow and

> Mars anger, fighting injuries, wounds etc.

> Rahu is a cheater, and a snake and poisonious and in this case is

in

> the sign of scorpio as well.

>

> 3 malefics in kendras constitutes sarpa yoga as well.

> 1)No matter how you see it, significations for 9th house and guru

> are afflicited in a variety of ways.

> 2) Also lagna and LL is afflicted by the nodes, and combustion!.

> 3)7th house and lord are afflicted.As well as karaka for love and

> spouse Venus.

>

> What kind of a desire or effect you think Sat and Rahu will give?

> Will it make Jupiter happy to have two enemies influencing him.?

> Dont forget that he started life in Rahu, then went to Jupiter( a

> bad lord) in the 3rd house, then to Saturn (a yogakaraka planet)

in

> the 6th house.

>

> I do not know and cant "prove " he has a curse from a brahmin, but

i

> think it is safe to say that he certainly has some bad karmas that

> are making him suffer alot in various aspects of his life.

> Do you disagree with that?

>

> PLease tell me why this man has so much suffering?

> With regards,

> Lakshmi

> you can read in Jaimini Sutras for references to different types

of

> suffering.

>

> , Surya Rao <suryarao12>

> wrote:

> >

> > lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:

> > Dear Surya,

> > A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics aspect by graha

> drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this represents the desires of

> revenge

> >

> > Do you have any authoritative references for this statement? Two

> malefics in one house or aspecting one house is a very common

> feature and how can you say such a configuration shows curse? If

> that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology.

> >

> > I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin

curse

> was inferred with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house?

> >

> > It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he is under some

> curse. Such a comment should not be superficial as we are dealing

> with a fellow human being and we will be injuring his psyche by

> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in the given

> example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a curse and

from

> Brahmin etc.

> >

> > A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the curses must

know

> clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which authority

supports

> that inference?

> >

> > I spoke in the interest of the querent individual and also of

the

> Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses instead of placing

> his conviction on the inference before me. He was not confident of

> his knowledge and his inference. We should not touch the occult

and

> give remedies when we are not confident of what we are doing. I

hope

> you will agree with me.

> >

> > I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

> >

> > Surya Rao

> >

> > or desire to punish, due to , of Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat

> (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets aspect a rashi and ALSO

> the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted you can assume

> there is a

> > curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets

ouses,karakas,etc)

> being aspected.

> > ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected by several malefics, and

> ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th lord then you

can

> > say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs, etc.

> > Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and

> > suffering, of shock,sorrow and anger would need to be extreme.

> > Please read Vistis reply and look at chart shown and you will

> > understand.

> > Please visit these sites and read about curses for further info

> > Gaurangas site also has a good article on black magic curses,etc,

> > With regards,

> > Lakshmi

> > Sri Jagannath Center http://www..org/

> > Sanjay Rath http://srath.com/

> > Jyotish Digest and sample articles

> > http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htm

> > Freedom Cole articles http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.html

> > Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com/articles.htm

> > Lakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/

> > Gauranga Das and Swee Chan Lessons and Vedic classics BPHS etc

> > http://www.brihaspati.net/

> > Phylis and Marcus website http://www.healingjyotish.com/

> > Willa Kiezer

> > Partha Saraswathy

> http://partvinu.tripod.com/parthaastro/index.html

> > Narayan Iyer http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com

> > Sanjau Prabhakuran http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/

> > Sarajit Poddar blog spot http://varahamihira.blogspot.com

> > Andrew Foss http://vedicsoftware.com/Avasthas_files/frame.htm

> > Narasimha Rao http://www.vedicastrologer.org/

> > -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> >

> > Goravani Software lessons

> > http://www.goravani.com/lessons/LessMenu.html

> >

> > Bookstore with inexpensive B.V. Raman books, best prices ive

> found

> > in Los Angeles ,reliable and fast shipping as well

> > http://www.bodhitree.com/

> > Bookstore in India http://www.mlbd.com/index.asp

> >

> > -- In , Surya Rao <suryarao12>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Larsenji,

> > >

> > > It looks as if you are deriving astrology from epics and

> puranas.

> > But even after reading that I am unable to understand as to

> > >

> > > (1) How you inferred a curse of the Brahmin from the 3rd house

> > position of 8th lord Guru in exaltation?

> > >

> > > (2) How you reconciled the chart and the experiences given?

Does

> > the events and life portrayed agree with the chart obtained? Can

> the

> > possibility of a wrong chart or birth details be ruled out?

> > >

> > > Surya Rao

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:

> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url

> > (#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url

(#default#ieooui) }

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Vidya, Namaskar

> > >

> > > This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse

> of

> > brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

> > >

> > > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn

> and

> > Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Vishnu had earned

> > from Narada Muni.

> > >

> > > The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention

> behind

> > the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.

> > >

> > > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention

> of

> > Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was

trying

> > to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus

his

> > intention was good.

> > >

> > > The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved

> when

> > performing the action which earned the curse.

> > >

> > > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu)

> was

> > fully aware when he turned Narada Muni's face into that of a

> monkey.

> > >

> > > We can go on;

> > >

> > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will

show

> > the area which is affected by the curse.

> > >

> > > In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn

> and

> > Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain

and

> > sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh) and there will

> also

> > be suffering in the form of separation in relationships

(eighth).

> > This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by the

> woman

> > he wished to marry.

> > > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to

him

> > through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and

> > through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was

> > denied him).

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > [] On Behalf Of Sri Vidya

> > > 04 November 2005 15:47

> > >

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is

> depressed

> > with his life

> > >

> > > Namaste Sri Visti,

> > >

> > > You said that the native earned a curse because he did

> > > something evil to a brahmin because Jupiter is placed

> > > in 3rd house. Is this a general rule that if any

> > > planet is in marana karaka sthana in rasi chart that

> > > means there is some curse according to specifications

> > > of the planet (For example, Jupiter signifies Brahmin,

> > > Venus signifies Spouse etc). Then what could be the

> > > remedies in such a case?

> > > Regards,

> > > vidya

> > >

> > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > By predicting when a person will divorce, i would be

> > > > encouraging them. I'm

> > > > not ready for that type of karma. Instead i should

> > > > make him aware of why he

> > > > is facing this karma, and tell him that he earned

> > > > this curse because of

> > > > something very evil that he did to a brahmin,

> > > > because Jupiter is placed in

> > > > the third house... i wonder what this could mean!

> > > >

> > > > Firstly, i picked Shiva because Shiva is said to the

> > > > perfection of our own

> > > > soul/atma, and thus through Shiva we can overcome

> > > > the karma that our soul is

> > > > carrying around. If we do not correct this, the

> > > > person could be in eternal

> > > > limbo throughout their life.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly the specific form is seen from the planet i

> > > > picked. Jupiter is the

> > > > atmakaraka whom i wanto 'correct' and when we want

> > > > Jupiter to act as

> > > > exalted, i pick the form of Shiva of Jupiters

> > > > exaltation sign. I.e. Cancer,

> > > > which is Omkareshvara.

> > > >

> > > > Thirdly is to fix the beejas following. Each

> > > > Jyotirlinga is said to have

> > > > specific beejas attached to it, but we can also

> > > > change these depending on

> > > > the purpose. I.e. for health we can use 'haum joom

> > > > sah'. Otherwise we pick

> > > > the beejas which are normally associated with the

> > > > jyotirlinga.

> > > >

> > > > For Omkareshvara it is 'Om Om Sah', thus the mantra

> > > > becomes; 'Om Namah

> > > > Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah'.

> > > >

> > > > Lastly, the repititions are adjusted based on the

> > > > ammount of words in the

> > > > mantra. i.e. in the Hare Krishna Mahamantra, 16

> > > > words are used, thus 16x108

> > > > times is the minimum ammount of repititions.

> > > > Similarly this mantra has 7

> > > > words, thus 7x108 repititions is required. 40 days

> > > > is a standard which i

> > > > think has its root in the 40 siddha-vidyas of the

> > > > vimsamsa (d20), thus the

> > > > reason we the vimsamsa 'upasanamsa'.

> > > >

> > > > Shivo'ham Shivo'ham.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

> > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > >

> > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > > > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > > http://astrovisti.com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > [] On

> > > > Behalf Of lakshmikary

> > > > 04 November 2005 01:03

> > > >

> > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind

> > > > who is depressed with his

> > > > life

> > > >

> > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > > Thanks so much for the recommendation! Yes he is

> > > > devotee of Lord

> > > > Shiva, and yes, his problem was troubles since day

> > > > one.

> > > > CAn you see when it will be over? Will he divorce?

> > > > When?

> > > > I agree with prediction about Merc maha dasa, this

> > > > is what i told

> > > > him, but why do you say it probably isnt overseas?

> > > > Take Merc as lagna and it seems to me it could be in

> > > > foreign lands.

> > > > Also all planets aspecting 12 house..

> > > > However with fixed signs he might end up finishing

> > > > his life in

> > > > homeland, and not stay in foreign soil...

> > > > I think success in some telecommunications,media?

> > > > CAn you tell me why you picked that peticuliar

> > > > mantra, and also why

> > > > the number of mantras etc thanks

> > > > lakshmi

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "Visti Larsen"

> > > > <visti@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > > > >

> > > > > How is your friends health? Has he had any ear

> > > > problems?

> > > > >

> > > > > His Upapada is in the eighth house, and its lord

> > > > is in a curse of

> > > > Brahmin.

> > > > > This is why he is suffering so much in marriage,

> > > > and the curse is

> > > > on his own

> > > > > Atma (jup is ak), so the experience is very

> > > > intense. The curse

> > > > will be there

> > > > > from day-one in his marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mercury Mahadasa is coming and will be much much

> > > > easier. Mercury

> > > > is exalted

> > > > > in the second from arudha lagna, giving land and

> > > > wealth in a big

> > > > way. I

> > > > > don't think it will be abroad.

> > > > >

> > > > > But he needs to recite an atmalinga mantra to

> > > > really get out of

> > > > the problems

> > > > > that he faces.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ask him to recite this mantra for Shiva; Om Namah

> > > > Shivaaya

> > > > Omkareshvaraaya

> > > > > Om Om Sah. Doing this for 7x108 malas for 40 days,

> > > > will give him

> > > > very good

> > > > > results and help him out of the curse which is on

> > > > his head.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > For services and articles visit:

> > > > >

> > > > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > > > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > > > http://astrovisti.com

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > [] On

> > > > > Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary

> > > > > 03 November 2005 20:29

> > > > > vedic astrology;

> > > > varahamihira;

> > > > >

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who

> > > > is depressed

> > > > with his life

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotisha freinds,

> > > > >

> > > > > Im inviting whoever would please write some

> > > > readings for my friend.

> > > > >

> > > > > He is depressed for a long time, unable to find a

> > > > job, and

> > > > wanting to get a

> > > > > divorce as his married life is unbearable.

> > > > >

> > > > > Previously he had stayed in USA and made good

> > > > money at a finance

> > > > job.

> > > >

> > > === message truncated ===

> > >

> > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > > http://farechase.

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'

> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said

> > that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> > reading today

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

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> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

> that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

> reading today

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

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> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

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November 8, 2005

You did not read my posting well. I did not say so. My posting is there below

your lines - see what have I written and what you are saying. Your other mail

also has shallow observations and so I am not replying to them. Please try to

approach Jyotisha as a Sastra - people cannot add all things of commonsense and

imagination to Jyotisha. One should know how to objectively look at a chart to

understand its strengths and weaknesses and decide whether the exps match with

the configuarations. One should not jump to cursology that is being employed

all over India by some people claiming as Jyotishis to exploit people. Look at

other observations I have made and try to understand them.

Surya RaoMichal Dziwulski <nearmichal > wrote:

::Hare Rama Krsna::Dear Surya Rao,Parasara gave many combinations and

interpretationswithout giving any chart details. Do you think weshould discard

his work?Respectfully,Michal::Om Namo Narayanaya::--- Surya Rao

<suryarao12 > wrote:> Namaskar, > > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the

Avtar and loose his> wife as he had molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura> to

destroy her chastity which protected her husband.> And she had given a curse

and how that is reflected> in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in>

Purana. > > Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali> by deceit (by

shooting from behind), Killing a> woman, tataka etc and how that is reflected

in the> horoscopes of later avatars?

> > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all> kshatriyas 21 times against

rules of svadharma of a> Brahmin? How two avtaras came to operate at the same>

time if Karma rules affected them? > > What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan

must take> birth again for the thefts he made in Gokulam and> also on the banks

of Yamuna? > > If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha> with Sri

Rama's horoscope - I think it is poor> scientific attitude. Please try to

change. As I> understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira> never quoted

any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a> Jyotishi should not use a horoscope

without knowing> the date of birth, time and place of birth and> verifying it

by himself. A hearsay data cannot be> studying material for Jyotisha...> >

surya rao> > ath.org>

wrote:> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*>

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{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)>

}> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Surya, Namaskar> > You refer to my name; Visti

LarSen. You sent me two> mails, and i answered each of them. You did not ask>

for references. If you believe Maharishi Parasara,> then please refer to the>

Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara> Hora Shastra. Here he uses

the principles for seeing> childnesness, but this extends to other houses to>

see how the curse manifests in other parts of life,> just as Sri Rama had to

live with the Brahmin shaapa> seperating him from his throne, family and then

his> own wife.> > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the> placement

of Jupiter in the

third house. Here is> what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where i> thoroughly

went through all the points: > > ------------> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear

Vidya, Namaskar> > This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e.> in a

curse of brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the> curse.> > Example: In Sri

Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected> by Saturn and Mars, thus forming the curse

of> Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had earned from Narada> Muni. > > The

bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the> intention behind the curse.

Kendra/Kona is good,> whilst the rest are not.> > In Sri Ramas chart,

Jupiter is in kendra thus the> intention of Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good.

Sri> Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada Muni> from breaking his vow

of celibacy, thus

his> intention was good. > > The sign placement will show the level of

awareness> involved when performing the action which earned the> curse.> >

In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he> (as vishnu) was fully aware

when he turned Narada> Muni’s face into that of a monkey. > > > > We can go

on;> > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed> planet will show

the area which is affected by the> curse. > > In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is

the more malefic> among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh> and

eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will come to> relationships/wife (seventh)

and there will also be> suffering in the form of separation in relationships>

(eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself> been rejected by the woman

he wished to marry. > > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger>

came to him through his devotees (fifth – narada> muni was a devotee), and

through his kingship (tenth> house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).

> > > I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.> > Best wishes,> > ***>

> Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > > > > >

> [] On Behalf

Of> Surya Rao> 08 November 2005 19:42> >

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind> who is

depressed with his life> > > > > > > lakshmikary <lakshmikary > wrote:

> > Dear Surya,> A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics> aspect by graha

drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc(> this represents the desires of revenge > >

> > Do you have any authoritative references for this> statement? Two malefics

in one house or aspecting> one house is a very common feature and how can you>

say such a configuration shows curse? If that is so,> then Jyotisha will become

cursology. > > > > I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the>

brahmin curse was inferred with exalted 8th lord> Guru in 3rd house? > > > >

It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he> is under some curse. Such a

comment should not be> superficial

as we are dealing with a fellow human> being and we will be injuring his psyche

by> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in> the given example,

sufficient grounds were there to> decipher a curse and from Brahmin etc. > > >

> A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the> curses must know clearly as

to how he inferred the> curse and which authority supports that inference? > >

> > I spoke in the interest of the querent individual> and also of the Jyotishi.

Then Jyotishi said some> lame excuses instead of placing his conviction on> the

inference before me. He was not confident of his> knowledge and his inference.

We should not touch the> occult and give remedies when we are not confident> of

what we are doing. I hope you will agree with me.> > > > > I hope you will take

my words

in the right spirit. > === message truncated ===

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Yes, at times rasi positions can be deceptive and under such circumstances the

native must be asked to visit a good Jyotishi at a time when he feel as an

auspicious hour with due prayers and a prasna must be resorted. Only a prasna

can clarify the conflict between Chart and experiences. That is the procedure

instructed in Jyotisha. Not that some abnormal logic or our mindset or blind

beliefs like curse of brahmins can be imposed on the native.

How many true Brahmins exist by Karma? A true brahmin by Karma shall utter a

curse? If someone is not a true Brahmin his curse shall have effect? There are

many questions involved. But as Jyotisha presents, the correct procedure and

reasons for resorting to that I have mentioned. Sri Rama and curses etc also I

have given sufficient explanation. If you understand them I will be happy.

If not let's pray for each other to improve our understanding of Jyotisha.

Nothing more can be done.

Surya Rao

hmikary > wrote:

HAre KrishnaDear Surya,Comments below., Surya

Rao <suryarao12> wrote:>> It is only because of Karma I think souls return

and another name of Jyotisha is Karma_Vidya. Giving the Prarabdha the colour

and flavour of a curse - to what extend, Jyotisha allows it and what is the

procedure? I had asked another simple thing, how the jyotishi ensured that the

given chart, (birth details) was right - when for such a chart the experience

was anomalous? No, the person gave me the data that was taken from his Janma

kundali.Given the info we know,His marraige is difficult and miserable.He

graduated with a degree in business admin, but was prevented from attending a

prestigious college invitation by his father,His father hated him and beat him

and his mother.He works in

finance mostly and or telecommunicationsHis job situation has either on or off.

He either get s very good job, but then no job for extended periods,He suffers

from depression and mood swings.He broke his collar bone approx.march 2002He

was in a car accident dec/jan 2003He was lived and worked in foreign lands on

several occasions.He is pious , vegetarian, and loves his homeland.He is

responsible and dutiful to family.I think most of the people on this list would

agree that this chart is very likely correct based on the above.You said'> Rahu,

Ketu, aspects, innumerable charts have such configurations or even worse and

people are living very happy. No curse and nothing. I say "NO I dont believe

there are NO bad effects SOMEWHERE by the combination and aspects and

placements of malefics.as that is totally contrary to logic."for example a

snake in your bed might not bite you but he sure as hell will

scare you.!!Sat and rahu in the 3rd house might not hurt you too much but might

kill your brother,."You said" Horoscope shows Karma, not curse. Curse of the

Brahmin is his Karma and how that can appear in the victim's chart? Further,

the victim has Sun in 4th, Merc in 5th, Sani in 6th and Moon in 10th. Excellent

disposition from Moon as well. "I said"Are you triyng to say that just becuase

he has some exalted planets you dont believe this chart is correct? If so im

sorry but hundreds of thousands of people have many exalted planets and it

doestn quarantee happiness what so ever.The highest suicide rate is in

geniouses!.A relgious and poius person can starve to death, a criminal can lead

a life of luxury,"The most miserable people in the world are often the richest

and famous."Every chart is a combination of good and bad. Everyone has dustanas

in their charts along with malefic planets.So to take

birth in this material creation you have to have some sin."> You said 'I have

not seen in any answer to my questions in your reply - you have explained

manythings but that have no relevance to the specific issueI said" Mr. Rao,

truelly i dont know what you are after, you seem to have some idea in your mind

why not just say it,Why dont you give your interpretation and analysis rather

than tell us there is no curse,its easy to understand what a curse is..just

read srimad Bhagavatam and read SO many examples...(which I cant understand why

you dont accept "curses" if you ahve read BPHS and Jaimini sutras,etc//Sorry

there is no resolution, except id liek your take(analysis) on this

chart.Rather than questioning us any more, we have attempted to answer im sorry

you still cant understand.,> With best wishes,Lakshmi > Surya Rao > >

lakshmikary

<lakshmikary> wrote:> Hare Krishna> Dear Surya,> I will answer you by

pointing out some things that give a common > sense answer.> (Firstly , do you

accept Rashi dristhi?> Do you accept ketu as co-lord of scorpio and rahu as

co-lord of > aquarious?)> > Various points:> The fellow has the karmic control

planets ,Ketu and Rahu in the 1/7 > axis.The self and partners.> Rahu is the

7th house itself causes all sorts of grief, and is > considered a bad

placement.> > He has Venus, the LL, and Mars the 7th lord COMBUST the Sun.>

Venus,LL also happens to be the 6th lord, AND Mars(7thlord) happens > to also

be the 12th lord.> Therefor we can assume this man has some bad karma in

relationships.> Why do people have a peticuliar type of suffering.?> Let us

look where there are other problems.> > Jupiter representing

dharma and knowledge and the guru is exchanging > aspects with his enemy

Rahu.This shows some conflicts and bad karma > between the two.> Jupiter is

very unhappy He is in maranakarakastan.> Jupiter(karaka for guru)also is

aspected by Rahu and Sat by graha > drishti and via rashi dristhi Jupiter, is

aspected by the nodes.> (Jupiter is also in a 6/8 relationship with Moon)> >

9thlord(as karaka for guru) is in the 6th.> 9th lord is aspected by rahu> 9lord

Sat and 7th lord Mars are debilitated in navamsa chart.> Via rashi dristhi Sat

is aspected by Ketu, Mars and Sun.> > Think of all the ways people can be

cursed.> and also think why would someone curse another?> In terms of curses,

which would be the ill will if you want to call > it from another , have to be

represented by the malefic planets .> There are the ones that give suffering

from suffering, sorrow

and > Mars anger, fighting injuries, wounds etc.> Rahu is a cheater, and a snake

and poisonious and in this case is in > the sign of scorpio as well.> > 3

malefics in kendras constitutes sarpa yoga as well.> 1)No matter how you see

it, significations for 9th house and guru > are afflicited in a variety of

ways.> 2) Also lagna and LL is afflicted by the nodes, and combustion!.> 3)7th

house and lord are afflicted.As well as karaka for love and > spouse Venus.> >

What kind of a desire or effect you think Sat and Rahu will give?> Will it make

Jupiter happy to have two enemies influencing him.?> Dont forget that he

started life in Rahu, then went to Jupiter( a > bad lord) in the 3rd house,

then to Saturn (a yogakaraka planet) in > the 6th house.> > I do not know and

cant "prove " he has a curse from a brahmin, but i > think it is safe to

say that he certainly has some bad karmas that > are making him suffer alot in

various aspects of his life.> Do you disagree with that?> > PLease tell me why

this man has so much suffering?> With regards,> Lakshmi> you can read in

Jaimini Sutras for references to different types of > suffering.> > > > --- In

, Surya Rao <suryarao12> > wrote:> >> > > > >

> lakshmikary <lakshmikary> wrote:> > Dear Surya,> > A curse is occuring

when two or more, malefics aspect by graha > drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc(

this represents the desires of > revenge > > > > > > > > Do you have any

authoritative references for this statement? Two > malefics in one house or

aspecting one house is a very common > feature and how can

you say such a configuration shows curse? If > that is so, then Jyotisha will

become cursology. > > > > > > > > I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to

how the brahmin curse > was inferred with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house? >

> > > > > > > It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he is under some

> curse. Such a comment should not be superficial as we are dealing > with a

fellow human being and we will be injuring his psyche by > conveying such a

thing. My question was, whether in the given > example, sufficient grounds were

there to decipher a curse and from > Brahmin etc. > > > > > > > > A man who

gives mantra to others to ward off the curses must know > clearly as to how he

inferred the curse and which authority supports > that inference? >

> > > > > > > I spoke in the interest of the querent individual and also of the

> Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses instead of placing > his

conviction on the inference before me. He was not confident of > his knowledge

and his inference. We should not touch the occult and > give remedies when we

are not confident of what we are doing. I hope > you will agree with me. > > >

> > > > > I hope you will take my words in the right spirit. > > > > > > > >

Surya Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or desire to punish, due to , of

Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat > (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets aspect a

rashi and ALSO > the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted you can

assume

> there is a > > curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets

ouses,karakas,etc) > being aspected.> > ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected

by several malefics, and > ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th

lord then you can > > say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs, etc.>

> Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and > > suffering,

of shock,sorrow and anger would need to be extreme.> > Please read Vistis reply

and look at chart shown and you will > > understand.> > Please visit these sites

and read about curses for further info> > Gaurangas site also has a good article

on black magic curses,etc,> > With regards,> > Lakshmi> > Sri Jagannath Center

http://www..org/ > > Sanjay Rath http://srath.com/> > Jyotish

Digest and sample articles > > http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htm>

> Freedom Cole articles http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.html> > Visti Larsen

http://srigaruda.com/articles.htm> > Lakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/> >

Gauranga Das and Swee Chan Lessons and Vedic classics BPHS etc > >

http://www.brihaspati.net/> > Phylis and Marcus website

http://www.healingjyotish.com/> > Willa Kiezer> > Partha Saraswathy >

http://partvinu.tripod.com/parthaastro/index.html > > Narayan Iyer

http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com > > Sanjau Prabhakuran

http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/> > Sarajit Poddar blog spot

http://varahamihira.blogspot.com> > Andrew Foss

http://vedicsoftware.com/Avasthas_files/frame.htm> > Narasimha Rao

http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> >

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software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > > > Goravani

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Bookstore with inexpensive B.V. Raman books, best prices ive > found > > in

Los Angeles ,reliable and fast shipping as well > > http://www.bodhitree.com/>

> Bookstore in India http://www.mlbd.com/index.asp> > > > -- In

, Surya Rao <suryarao12> > > wrote:> > >> > >

Dear Larsenji, > > > > > > It looks as if you are deriving astrology from

epics and > puranas. > > But even after reading that I am unable to understand

as to > > > > > > (1) How you inferred a curse of the Brahmin from the 3rd

house > > position of 8th lord Guru in exaltation? > > > > > > (2) How you

reconciled the chart and the experiences given? Does > > the events and life

portrayed agree with the chart obtained? Can > the > > possibility of a wrong

chart or birth details be ruled out? > > > > > > Surya Rao> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:> > >

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url> > (#default#VML);}w\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape > >

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }> > > ||Hare

Rama Krsna||> > > > > > Dear Vidya, Namaskar> > > > > > This applies to the

planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse > of > > brahmin, Jupiter is the

cause of the curse.> > > > > > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is

aspected by Saturn > and > > Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which

Vishnu had earned > > from Narada Muni.> > > > > > The bhava-placement of

Jupiter will then show the intention > behind > > the curse. Kendra/Kona is

good, whilst the rest are not.> > > > > > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in

kendra thus the intention > of > > Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri

Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying > > to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of

celibacy, thus his > > intention was

good.> > > > > > The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved >

when > > performing the action which earned the curse.> > > > > > In Sri

Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) > was > > fully aware when

he turned Narada Muni's face into that of a > monkey.> > > > > > > > > > > >

We can go on;> > > > > > > > > > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the

cursed planet will show > > the area which is affected by the curse. > > > > >

> In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn > and > >

Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain and > > sorrow

will come to relationships/wife (seventh) and there will >

also > > be suffering in the form of separation in relationships (eighth). > >

This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by the > woman > > he

wished to marry.> > > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came

to him > > through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and > >

through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was > > denied

him).> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > ***> > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > >

For services and articles visit: > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > [] On

Behalf Of Sri Vidya> > > 04 November 2005 15:47> > > To:

> > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

freind who is > depressed > > with his life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Namaste Sri Visti,> > > > > > You said that the native earned a curse because

he did> > > something evil to a brahmin because Jupiter is placed> > > in 3rd

house. Is this a general rule that if any> > > planet is in marana karaka

sthana in rasi chart that> > > means there is some curse according to

specifications> > > of the planet (For example, Jupiter signifies Brahmin,>

> > Venus signifies Spouse etc). Then what could be the> > > remedies in such a

case?> > > Regards,> > > vidya> > > > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:>

> > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar> > > > > >

> > By predicting when a person will divorce, i would be> > > > encouraging

them. I'm> > > > not ready for that type of karma. Instead i should> > > > make

him aware of why he> > > > is facing this karma, and tell him that he earned> >

> > this curse because of> > > > something very evil that he did to a brahmin,>

> > > because Jupiter is placed in> > > > the third house... i wonder what this

could mean!> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Firstly, i picked Shiva because Shiva is said to the> > > >

perfection of our own> > > > soul/atma, and thus through Shiva we can overcome>

> > > the karma that our soul is> > > > carrying around. If we do not correct

this, the> > > > person could be in eternal> > > > limbo throughout their

life.> > > > > > > > Secondly the specific form is seen from the planet i> > >

> picked. Jupiter is the> > > > atmakaraka whom i wanto 'correct' and when we

want> > > > Jupiter to act as> > > > exalted, i pick the form of Shiva of

Jupiters> > > > exaltation sign. I.e. Cancer,> > > > which is Omkareshvara.> >

> > > > > > Thirdly is to fix the beejas following. Each> > > >

Jyotirlinga is said to have> > > > specific beejas attached to it, but we can

also> > > > change these depending on> > > > the purpose. I.e. for health we

can use 'haum joom> > > > sah'. Otherwise we pick> > > > the beejas which are

normally associated with the> > > > jyotirlinga.> > > > > > > > For

Omkareshvara it is 'Om Om Sah', thus the mantra> > > > becomes; 'Om Namah> > >

> Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah'.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lastly,

the repititions are adjusted based on the> > > > ammount of words in the> > > >

mantra. i.e. in the Hare Krishna Mahamantra, 16> > > > words are used, thus

16x108> > > > times is the minimum ammount of repititions.> > > >

Similarly this mantra has 7> > > > words, thus 7x108 repititions is required. 40

days> > > > is a standard which i> > > > think has its root in the 40

siddha-vidyas of the> > > > vimsamsa (d20), thus the> > > > reason we the

vimsamsa 'upasanamsa'.> > > > > > > > Shivo'ham Shivo'ham.> > > > > > > > Best

wishes,> > > > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > > > For

services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or > > > > <http://astrovisti.com>> > > >

http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > >

> > > > >

[] On> > > > Behalf Of lakshmikary> > > >

04 November 2005 01:03> > > > > > > >

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind> > > > who is depressed with

his> > > > life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna> > > > Dear

Visti,> > > > Thanks so much for the recommendation! Yes he is> > > > devotee

of Lord > > > > Shiva, and yes, his problem was troubles since day> > > >

one.> > > > CAn you see when it will be over? Will he divorce?> > > > When?> > >

> I agree with prediction about Merc maha dasa, this> > > > is what i told > > >

> him, but why do you say it probably isnt overseas?> > > > Take Merc as lagna

and it seems to me it could be in> > > > foreign lands.> > > > Also all planets

aspecting 12 house..> > > > However with fixed signs he might end up finishing>

> > > his life in > > > > homeland, and not stay in foreign soil...> > > > I

think success in some telecommunications,media?> > > > CAn you tell me why you

picked that peticuliar> > > > mantra, and also why > > > > the number of

mantras etc thanks> > > > lakshmi> > > > > > > > -- In

, "Visti Larsen"> > > > <visti@s...> > > > > wrote:>

> > > >> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar>

> > > > > > > > > How is your friends health? Has he had any ear> > > >

problems?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His Upapada is in the eighth

house, and its lord> > > > is in a curse of > > > > Brahmin.> > > > > This is

why he is suffering so much in marriage,> > > > and the curse is > > > > on his

own> > > > > Atma (jup is ak), so the experience is very> > > > intense. The

curse > > > > will be there> > > > > from

day-one in his marriage.> > > > > > > > > > Mercury Mahadasa is coming and will

be much much> > > > easier. Mercury > > > > is exalted> > > > > in the second

from arudha lagna, giving land and> > > > wealth in a big > > > > way. I> > > >

> don't think it will be abroad.> > > > > > > > > > But he needs to recite an

atmalinga mantra to> > > > really get out of > > > > the problems> > > > > that

he faces.> > > > > > > > > > Ask him to recite this mantra for Shiva; Om Namah>

> > > Shivaaya > > > > Omkareshvaraaya> > > > > Om Om Sah. Doing this for 7x108

malas for 40 days,> > > > will give him > > > > very good> > > > >

results and help him out of the curse which is on> > > > his head.> > > > > > >

> > > Best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > ***> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen> > >

> > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > >

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > > >

<http://astrovisti.com>> > > > > http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > > > > > ***>

> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > [] On> > > > > Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary> >

> > > 03 November 2005 20:29> > > > > To:

vedic astrology;> > > > varahamihira;> > > > >

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

freind who> > > > is depressed > > > > with his life> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Krishna> > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotisha freinds,> > > > > >

> > > > Im inviting whoever would please write some> > > > readings for my

friend.> > > > > > > > > > He is depressed for a long time, unable to find a>

> > > job, and

> > > > wanting to get a> > > > > divorce as his married life is unbearable.> >

> > > > > > > > Previously he had stayed in USA and made good> > > > money at a

finance > > > > job.> > > > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > > > > >

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Rama Krishna'> > >

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > > (3) Practise

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November 8, 2005

|JAI SRIRAM|

Surya rao,

You are totally wrong and commiting sins by telling in a wrong way

about the avatar of Lord Vishnu.You are not right in the way you

mentioned about Lord Rama.One important message is

Lord Rama never think about any ladies except Sita devi so that the

reason he called as Ekapathnivarathan.

He never did any wrongs,he never killed any ladies,he killed Vali

from behind it is because of the protection of dharma.Did you not

aware that Lord Rama not kill Lord Ravana when he was standing

without a single weapon and asks him "Go today and come back

tommorrow".

Lord Krishna theft only the HEARTS of the devotees and nothing more

than that in Gokulam.

Studying the jyotish by analysing the horoscopes of Lord Rama,Lord

Krishna is the best way.Did you not know the horoscope worship of

Lord Rama is one of the best way to come out of all the troubles?If

you want to learn how Moola dasa is working take Lord Ramas horoscope

and take Lord Krishnas horoscope for Tithi Ashottari dasa.Lord Ramas

horoscope is available in Ramayana.Everyone knows Lord Rama avatr in

Ayothya and Sage Vasista kula guru of Lord Rama wrote the horoscope

for Lord Rama and his brothers.

Most importantly Avtar of Lord Vishnu is because of

1.To protect the dharma and kill the adharma

2.To protect the saddus life

3.During the avatrs there is no sortage of knowledge

4.It is not like that of ordinary human beings again and again

5.Thinking in a wrong about the Avatrs are the worst sins

6.Worshipping dasa avatrs are the best way to get rid out of all the

sins.

Regards,

S.Venkatesh

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> Namaskar,

>

> Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his wife as he had

> molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her chastity which

> protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that is

> reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in Purana.

>

> Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit (by

> shooting from behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc and how that is

> reflected in the horoscopes of later avatars?

>

> What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all kshatriyas 21 times

> against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two avtaras came to

> operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them?

>

> What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again for

> the thefts he made in Gokulam and also on the banks of Yamuna?

>

> If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha with Sri Rama's

> horoscope - I think it is poor scientific attitude. Please try to

> change. As I understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira

> never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a Jyotishi should

> not use a horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time and

> place of birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot

> be studying material for Jyotisha...

>

> surya rao

>

> ath.org> wrote:

> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*

> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*

> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Surya, Namaskar

>

> You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two mails, and i

> answered each of them. You did not ask for references. If you

> believe Maharishi Parasara, then please refer to the

> Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.

> Here he uses the principles for seeing childnesness, but this

> extends to other houses to see how the curse manifests in other

> parts of life, just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin shaapa

> seperating him from his throne, family and then his own wife.

>

> You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of

> Jupiter in the third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail to Sri

> Vidya, where i thoroughly went through all the points:

>

> ------------

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vidya, Namaskar

>

> This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of

> brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

>

> Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and

> Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had

> earned from Narada Muni.

>

> The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention behind

> the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of

> Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying

> to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his

> intention was good.

>

> The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when

> performing the action which earned the curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was

> fully aware when he turned Narada Muni’s face into that of a

> monkey.

>

> We can go on;

>

> The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will show

> the area which is affected by the curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn and

> Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain and

> sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh) and there will

> also be suffering in the form of separation in relationships

> (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by

> the woman he wished to marry.

>

> Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him

> through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and

> through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was

> denied him).

>

> I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> [] On Behalf Of Surya Rao

> 08 November 2005 19:42

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is depressed

> with his life

lakshmikary <lakshmikary wrote:

>

> Dear Surya,

> A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics aspect by graha

> drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this represents the desires of

> revenge

>

> Do you have any authoritative references for this statement? Two

> malefics in one house or aspecting one house is a very common

> feature and how can you say such a configuration shows curse? If

> that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology.

>

> I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin curse

> was inferred with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house?

>

> It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he is under some

> curse. Such a comment should not be superficial as we are dealing

> with a fellow human being and we will be injuring his psyche by

> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in the given

> example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a curse and from

> Brahmin etc.

>

> A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the curses must know

> clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which authority

> supports that inference?

>

> I spoke in the interest of the querent individual and also of the

> Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses instead of placing

> his conviction on the inference before me. He was not confident of

> his knowledge and his inference. We should not touch the occult and

> give remedies when we are not confident of what we are doing. I

> hope you will agree with me.

>

> I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

>

> Surya Rao

>

or desire to punish, due to , of Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat

> (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets aspect a rashi and ALSO

> the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted you can assume

> there is a

> curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets ouses,karakas,etc)

> being aspected.

> ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected by several malefics, and

> ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th lord then you

> can

> say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs, etc.

> Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and

> suffering, of shock,sorrow and anger would need to be extreme.

> Please read Vistis reply and look at chart shown and you will

> understand.

>

=== message truncated ===

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Surya Rao

Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote:

|JAI SRIRAM|Surya rao,You are totally wrong and commiting sins by telling in a

wrong wayabout the avatar of Lord Vishnu.You are not right in the way

youmentioned about Lord Rama.One important message is Lord Rama never think

about any ladies except Sita devi so that thereason he called as

Ekapathnivarathan.He never did any wrongs,he never killed any ladies,he killed

Valifrom behind it is because of the protection of dharma.Did you notaware that

Lord Rama not kill Lord Ravana when he was standingwithout a single weapon and

asks him "Go today and come backtommorrow".Lord Krishna theft only the HEARTS

of the devotees and nothing morethan that in Gokulam.Studying the jyotish by

analysing the horoscopes of Lord Rama,LordKrishna is the best way.Did you not

know the horoscope worship ofLord Rama is one of

the best way to come out of all the troubles?Ifyou want to learn how Moola dasa

is working take Lord Ramas horoscopeand take Lord Krishnas horoscope for Tithi

Ashottari dasa.Lord Ramashoroscope is available in Ramayana.Everyone knows Lord

Rama avatr inAyothya and Sage Vasista kula guru of Lord Rama wrote the

horoscopefor Lord Rama and his brothers.Most importantly Avtar of Lord Vishnu

is because of1.To protect the dharma and kill the adharma2.To protect the

saddus life3.During the avatrs there is no sortage of knowledge4.It is not like

that of ordinary human beings again and again5.Thinking in a wrong about the

Avatrs are the worst sins 6.Worshipping dasa avatrs are the best way to get rid

out of all thesins.Regards,S.Venkatesh--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 >

wrote:> Namaskar, > > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his

wife as he

had> molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her chastity which>

protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that is> reflected in

his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in Purana. > > Sri Rama himself did

many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit (by> shooting from behind), Killing a

woman, tataka etc and how that is> reflected in the horoscopes of later

avatars? > > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all kshatriyas 21

times> against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two avtaras came to>

operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them? > > What about Balaram

and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again for> the thefts he made in Gokulam

and also on the banks of Yamuna? > > If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study

Jyotisha with Sri Rama's> horoscope - I think it is poor scientific attitude.

Please try

to> change. As I understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira> never

quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a Jyotishi should> not use a

horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time and> place of birth and

verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot> be studying material for

Jyotisha...> > surya rao> > ath.org> wrote:> v\:*

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*>

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape>

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }> ||Hare

Rama Krsna||> > Dear Surya, Namaskar> > You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You

sent me two mails, and i> answered each of them. You did not ask for references.

If you> believe Maharishi Parasara, then please refer to the>

Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.> Here he uses

the

principles for seeing childnesness, but this> extends to other houses to see how

the curse manifests in other> parts of life, just as Sri Rama had to live with

the Brahmin shaapa> seperating him from his throne, family and then his own

wife.> > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of>

Jupiter in the third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail to Sri> Vidya,

where i thoroughly went through all the points: > > ------------> > ||Hare Rama

Krsna||> > Dear Vidya, Namaskar> > This applies to the planets causing the

curse. I.e. in a curse of> brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.> >

Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and> Mars, thus

forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had> earned from Narada Muni. >

> The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the

intention behind> the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.> >

In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of> Sri Rama/Sri

Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying> to protect Narada Muni

from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his> intention was good. > > The sign

placement will show the level of awareness involved when> performing the action

which earned the curse.> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as

vishnu) was> fully aware when he turned Narada Muni’s face into that of a>

monkey. > > > > We can go on;> > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the

cursed planet will show> the area which is affected by the curse. > > In Sri

Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn and>

Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain and> sorrow will

come to relationships/wife (seventh) and there will> also be suffering in the

form of separation in relationships> (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had

himself been rejected by> the woman he wished to marry. > > Mars lords the

fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him> through his devotees (fifth –

narada muni was a devotee), and> through his kingship (tenth house is the

simhasana, and this was> denied him). > > > I hope you will take my mail in the

right spirit.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and

articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > >

> > > >

[] On Behalf Of Surya Rao> 08 November

2005 19:42> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

reading for freind who is depressed> with his life> > > > > > > lakshmikary

<lakshmikary > wrote: > > Dear Surya,> A curse is occuring when two or

more, malefics aspect by graha> drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this

represents the desires of> revenge > > > > Do you have any authoritative

references for this statement? Two> malefics in one house or aspecting one

house is a very common> feature and how can you say such a configuration shows

curse? If> that is so, then Jyotisha will become cursology. > > > > I

had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin curse> was inferred

with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house? > > > > It is easy to make a

suffering man to feel that he is under some> curse. Such a comment should not

be superficial as we are dealing> with a fellow human being and we will be

injuring his psyche by> conveying such a thing. My question was, whether in the

given> example, sufficient grounds were there to decipher a curse and from>

Brahmin etc. > > > > A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the curses

must know> clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which authority>

supports that inference? > > > > I spoke in the interest of the querent

individual and also of the> Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses

instead of placing> his conviction on the inference before me. He was

not confident of> his knowledge and his inference. We should not touch the

occult and> give remedies when we are not confident of what we are doing. I>

hope you will agree with me. > > > > I hope you will take my words in the

right spirit. > > > > Surya Rao > > > > > > > > or desire to punish, due to

, of Mars(anger) Rahu(shock)Sat> (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets

aspect a rashi and ALSO> the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted

you can assume> there is a > curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets

ouses,karakas,etc)> being aspected.> ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected by

several malefics, and> ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th lord

then you> can > say a curse is happening on mother,4 house affairs, etc.>

Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or the pain and > suffering, of

shock,sorrow and anger would need to be extreme.> Please read Vistis reply and

look at chart shown and you will > understand.> === message truncated ===

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Surya,

Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Maharishi Parasara has stated not

just one but TWO conditions which give birth to a Vishnu Avatara, but it

is Valmiki who in the Ramayana who has described the planetary positions

at birth for Sri Rama.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Garga was the one to see Sri

Krishnas chart, and this chart is also described by Vyasa in the Bhagavad

Purana. I have not read the entire Garga Samhita, but references to his

meeting with Sri Krishna is there in the samhita, so i’m sure the

chart must also.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">In Narasimha Purana the chart of

Sri Narasimha has also been described! So who are we to doubt birthdata?

Should i question Vyasa and Valmiki’s verification? I don’t

think they would have written down these references to the charts unless

they were sure.

The

reference to charts of Avataras is the way the Paramparas of Orissa have taught

Jyotish for ages. Infact the first lesson of the tradition is to learn how to

draw the eastindian-chart, and then put in the planetary positions of Sri Rama.

If you think this is poor scientific attitude, then what can i say.

In

another mail you have stated that birth is due to Karma, and you have referred

to the nodes. I would like to add a comment in this regard. The nodes of the

Moon show the karma as Mankind is measured by, as the Moon represents Manushya

jataka. Here the north node shows karma that we have done intentionally upon

others, and thus the emotions suffered by someone, is showered upon us in

return.. this is known as Shaapa (commonly translated as curse). The south

node, or ketu, represents the karma that we have done by mistake or without

conscious effort... this is known as Dosha. I don’t think Sri Krishnas

theft of curds and milk have aggrevated anyone enough to cause a curse... Do we

agree about the concept? For more on this topic please read this;

http://srath.com/lectures/karma_freewill.htm

As for

judging the karma of avataras – i can only judge with their charts,

because as long as they have taken birth, they must abide by the laws of nature

that Bhagavan himself has created. From Sri Ramas chart, there is a Brahmin

Shapa – as the main curse, thus i must infer that some evil has come upon

a Brahmin. There is also Pitri and Matri Shapa because of the aspects of both Saturn

and Mars on Sun and Moon, but these are both secondary in comparisen to the

Brahmin shaapa, which is the primary curse.

I know

that everyone has a right to doubt, but please don’t ask me to doubt the

maharishis, as without them we wouldn’t even be discussing jyotish to

begin with.

Also if

you have an argument, i will be very interested in answering any doubts you

have, but please remain open to the view that i may present, so that we don’t

have notions of ‘arrogance’ about each other, thus discouraging

conversation.

If you ask

me nicely, i will happily answer.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of Surya Rao

09 November 2005 02:10

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

reading for freind who is depressed with his life

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">Namaskar,

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar

and loose his wife as he had molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her

chastity which protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that is

reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in Purana.

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like

killing Bali by deceit (by shooting from behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc

and how that is reflected in the horoscopes of later avatars?

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">What about the sins of Bhargava -

killing all kshatriyas 21 times against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How

two avtaras came to operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them?

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan

must take birth again for the thefts he made in Gokulam and also on the banks

of Yamuna?

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or

study Jyotisha with Sri Rama's horoscope - I think it is poor scientific

attitude. Please try to change. As I understand neither Parasara, Garga or

Varahamihira never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a Jyotishi

should not use a horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time and place of

birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot be studying material

for Jyotisha...

12.0pt">

12.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:blue">surya rao

ath.org>

wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Surya,

Namaskar

You refer

to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two mails, and i answered each of them.

You did not ask for references. If you believe Maharishi Parasara, then please

refer to the Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.

Here he uses the principles for seeing childnesness, but this extends to other

houses to see how the curse manifests in other parts of life, just as Sri Rama

had to live with the Brahmin shaapa seperating him from his throne, family and

then his own wife.

You seem to

ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of Jupiter in the third house.

Here is what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where i thoroughly went through

all the points:

------------

||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear Vidya,

Namaskar

This

applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of brahmin, Jupiter

is the cause of the curse.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is

aspected by Saturn and Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri

Vishnu had earned from Narada Muni.

The

bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention behind the curse.

Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra

thus the intention of Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri

Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of

celibacy, thus his intention was good.

The sign

placement will show the level of awareness involved when performing the action

which earned the curse.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted

thus he (as vishnu) was fully aware when he turned Narada Muni’s

face into that of a monkey.

We can go

on;

The

lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will show the area which is

affected by the curse.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more

malefic among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth

house, thus pain and sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh) and

there will also be suffering in the form of separation in relationships

(eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected by the

woman he wished to marry.

color:navy">·

color:navy">Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him

through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and through his

kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).

color:navy">

I hope you

will take my mail in the right spirit.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> or

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On

Behalf Of Surya Rao

08 November 2005 19:42

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

reading for freind who is depressed with his life

12.0pt">

lakshmikary

<lakshmikary > wrote:

Dear

Surya,

A curse is occuring when two or more, malefics

aspect by graha drishti a rashi,house, planet,etc( this represents the desires

of revenge

color:blue">Do you have any authoritative references for this statement? Two

malefics in one house or aspecting one house is a very common feature and how

can you say such a configuration shows curse? If that is so, then Jyotisha will

become cursology.

color:blue">I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to how the brahmin curse

was inferred with exalted 8th lord Guru in 3rd house?

color:blue">It is easy to make a suffering man to feel that he is under

some curse. Such a comment should not be superficial as we are dealing with a

fellow human being and we will be injuring his psyche by conveying such a

thing. My question was, whether in the given example, sufficient grounds were

there to decipher a curse and from Brahmin etc.

color:blue">A man who gives mantra to others to ward off the curses must know

clearly as to how he inferred the curse and which authority supports that

inference?

color:blue">I spoke in the interest of the querent individual and also of the

Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said some lame excuses instead of placing his

conviction on the inference before me. He was not confident of his knowledge

and his inference. We should not touch the occult and give remedies when we are

not confident of what we are doing. I hope you will agree with me.

color:blue">I hope you will take my words in the right spirit.

color:blue">Surya Rao

or desire to punish, due to , of Mars(anger)

Rahu(shock)Sat (sorry))so when 2 or more malefic planets aspect a rashi and

ALSO the same karakas of houses are similairly afflicted you can assume there

is a

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

curse, other peticulairs depend on the planets

ouses,karakas,etc) being aspected.

ie if moon is conjoined and or aspected by several

malefics, and ALSO the forth house is afflicted, and or also 4th lord then you

can

say a curse is happening on mother,4 house

affairs, etc.

Only a powerful person can create a curse, and or

the pain and

suffering, of shock,sorrow and anger would need to

be extreme.

Please read Vistis reply and look at chart shown

and you will

understand.

Please visit these sites and read about curses for

further info

Gaurangas site also has a good article on black

magic curses,etc,

With regards,

Lakshmi

Sri Jagannath

Center http://www..org/

Sanjay Rath http://srath.com/

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http://.org/jyotishdigest/index.htm

Freedom Cole articles http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotish.html

Visti Larsen http://srigaruda.com/articles.htm

Lakshmi Kary http://lakshmikary.com/

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classics BPHS etc

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Narayan Iyer http://jyotish.narayaniyer.com

Sanjau Prabhakuran http://jyotish-blog.blogspot.com/

Sarajit Poddar blog spot http://varahamihira.blogspot.com

Andrew Foss http://vedicsoftware.com/Avasthas_files/frame.htm

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wrote:

>

> Dear Larsenji,

>

> It looks as if you are deriving astrology

from epics and puranas.

But even after reading that I am unable to

understand as to

>

> (1) How you inferred a curse of the Brahmin

from the 3rd house

position of 8th lord Guru in exaltation?

>

> (2) How you reconciled the chart and the

experiences given? Does

the events and life portrayed agree with the chart

obtained? Can the

possibility of a wrong chart or birth details be

ruled out?

>

> Surya Rao

>

> Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:

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> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vidya, Namaskar

>

> This applies to the planets causing the

curse. I.e. in a curse of

brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

>

> Example: In Sri Ramas

chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and

Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which

Vishnu had earned

from Narada Muni.

>

> The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show

the intention behind

the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest

are not.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter

is in kendra thus the intention of

Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri

Vishnu, was trying

to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of

celibacy, thus his

intention was good.

>

> The sign placement will show the level of

awareness involved when

performing the action which earned the curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter

is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was

fully aware when he turned Narada Muni's face into

that of a monkey.

>

> We can go on;

>

> The lordship of the planet aspecting the

cursed planet will show

the area which is affected by the curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn

is the more malefic among Saturn and

Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth

house, thus pain and

sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh)

and there will also

be suffering in the form of separation in

relationships (eighth).

This was because Narada Muni had himself been

rejected by the woman

he wished to marry.

> Mars lords the fifth and

tenth houses, thus anger came to him

through his devotees (fifth – narada muni

was a devotee), and

through his kingship (tenth house is the

simhasana, and this was

denied him).

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> http://srigaruda.com

or http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

[] On Behalf Of

Sri Vidya

> 04 November 2005 15:47

>

> RE:

[Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is depressed

with his life

>

> Namaste Sri Visti,

>

> You said that the native earned a curse

because he did

> something evil to a brahmin because Jupiter

is placed

> in 3rd house. Is this a general rule that if

any

> planet is in marana karaka sthana in rasi

chart that

> means there is some curse according to

specifications

> of the planet (For example, Jupiter signifies

Brahmin,

> Venus signifies Spouse etc). Then what could

be the

> remedies in such a case?

> Regards,

> vidya

>

> --- Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> >

> > By predicting when a person will

divorce, i would be

> > encouraging them. I'm

> > not ready for that type of karma.

Instead i should

> > make him aware of why he

> > is facing this karma, and tell him that

he earned

> > this curse because of

> > something very evil that he did to a

brahmin,

> > because Jupiter is placed in

> > the third house... i wonder what this

could mean!

> >

> > Firstly, i picked Shiva because Shiva is

said to the

> > perfection of our own

> > soul/atma, and thus through Shiva we can

overcome

> > the karma that our soul is

> > carrying around. If we do not correct

this, the

> > person could be in eternal

> > limbo throughout their life.

> >

> > Secondly the specific form is seen from

the planet i

> > picked. Jupiter is the

> > atmakaraka whom i wanto 'correct' and

when we want

> > Jupiter to act as

> > exalted, i pick the form of Shiva of

Jupiters

> > exaltation sign. I.e. Cancer,

> > which is Omkareshvara.

> >

> > Thirdly is to fix the beejas following.

Each

> > Jyotirlinga is said to have

> > specific beejas attached to it, but we

can also

> > change these depending on

> > the purpose. I.e. for health we can use

'haum joom

> > sah'. Otherwise we pick

> > the beejas which are normally associated

with the

> > jyotirlinga.

> >

> > For Omkareshvara it is 'Om Om Sah', thus

the mantra

> > becomes; 'Om Namah

> > Shivaaya Omkareshvaraaya Om Om Sah'.

> >

> > Lastly, the repititions are adjusted

based on the

> > ammount of words in the

> > mantra. i.e. in the Hare Krishna

Mahamantra, 16

> > words are used, thus 16x108

> > times is the minimum ammount of

repititions.

> > Similarly this mantra has 7

> > words, thus 7x108 repititions is

required. 40 days

> > is a standard which i

> > think has its root in the 40

siddha-vidyas of the

> > vimsamsa (d20), thus the

> > reason we the vimsamsa 'upasanamsa'.

> >

> > Shivo'ham Shivo'ham.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of lakshmikary

> > 04 November 2005 01:03

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading

for freind

> > who is depressed with his

> > life

> >

> > Hare Krishna

> > Dear Visti,

> > Thanks so much for the recommendation!

Yes he is

> > devotee of Lord

> > Shiva, and yes, his problem was troubles

since day

> > one.

> > CAn you see when it will be over? Will

he divorce?

> > When?

> > I agree with prediction about Merc maha

dasa, this

> > is what i told

> > him, but why do you say it probably isnt

overseas?

> > Take Merc as lagna and it seems to me it

could be in

> > foreign lands.

> > Also all planets aspecting 12 house..

> > However with fixed signs he might end up

finishing

> > his life in

> > homeland, and not stay in foreign

soil...

> > I think success in some

telecommunications,media?

> > CAn you tell me why you picked that

peticuliar

> > mantra, and also why

> > the number of mantras etc thanks

> > lakshmi

> >

> > -- In ,

"Visti Larsen"

> > <visti@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

> > >

> > > How is your friends health? Has he

had any ear

> > problems?

> > >

> > > His Upapada is in the eighth house,

and its lord

> > is in a curse of

> > Brahmin.

> > > This is why he is suffering so much

in marriage,

> > and the curse is

> > on his own

> > > Atma (jup is ak), so the experience

is very

> > intense. The curse

> > will be there

> > > from day-one in his marriage.

> > >

> > > Mercury Mahadasa is coming and will

be much much

> > easier. Mercury

> > is exalted

> > > in the second from arudha lagna,

giving land and

> > wealth in a big

> > way. I

> > > don't think it will be abroad.

> > >

> > > But he needs to recite an atmalinga

mantra to

> > really get out of

> > the problems

> > > that he faces.

> > >

> > > Ask him to recite this mantra for

Shiva; Om Namah

> > Shivaaya

> > Omkareshvaraaya

> > > Om Om Sah. Doing this for 7x108 malas for 40

days,

> > will give him

> > very good

> > > results and help him out of the

curse which is on

> > his head.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of Lakshmi Kary

> > > 03 November 2005 20:29

> > > To:

vedic astrology;

> > varahamihira;

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] reading

for freind who

> > is depressed

> > with his life

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotisha freinds,

> > >

> > > Im inviting whoever would please

write some

> > readings for my friend.

> > >

> > > He is depressed for a long

time, unable to find a

> > job, and

> > wanting to get a

> > > divorce as his married life is

unbearable.

> > >

> > > Previously he had stayed in USA

and made good

> > money at a finance

> > job.

> >

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Surya,

Namaskar

I fully

agree with you that one should not try to scare the clients with statements

about curses, and such. Infact one of the main reasons that many do not teach

about curses is that it can be misused to make the client pay for big poojas

and etc.

However

still many pandits do this and then we must provide a thorough understanding of

curses from an academical perspective, using puranas as examples, to remove

peoples notions about curses and such.

Its like

going to a doctor and he scares you to take some expensive medicine for your

stomach ulcers, but when you read about the ailment and seek a second oppinion

from another doctor, he clarifies that you should merely stop drinking all the

coffee and coca cola, and the ailment will go.

So lets

increase our knowledge about curses. To my knowledge, only SJC has really taken

up this goal and spread the knowledge about this. But we must no ignore it, and

if the problem is the curse, then surely we must remedy it and not ignore it! Thus

prescribing remedies which are of no cost to the client, and which brings the

client closer to God is the foremost agenda among Jyotishas, as then we have

done justice to the Maharishis work.

As for my

mail to Lakshmi about the chart who had the brahmin shappa... I was fully aware

that the client was not present, and the conversation was through a third

person, and the topic was more academical than an actual consultation. Thus i

had to mention the important points, both for others learning and for the good

of the client.

I do not

provide consultations over the list, and these consultations are also very different

in tone than those presented in a public forum.

Best

wishes,

***

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09 November 2005 04:15

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

reading for freind who is depressed with his life

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12.0pt">Dear Dziwulski,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">You did not read my posting well. I did not say so. My posting is there

below your lines - see what have I written and what you are saying. Your other

mail also has shallow observations and so I am not replying to them. Please try

to approach Jyotisha as a Sastra - people cannot add all things of commonsense

and imagination to Jyotisha. One should know how to objectively look at a chart

to understand its strengths and weaknesses and decide whether the exps match

with the configuarations. One should not jump to cursology that is being

employed all over India

by some people claiming as Jyotishis to exploit people. Look at other

observations I have made and try to understand them.

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12.0pt">Surya Rao

Michal Dziwulski

<nearmichal > wrote:

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10.0pt">::Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Surya Rao,

Parasara gave many combinations and

interpretations

without giving any chart details. Do you

think we

should discard his work?

Respectfully,

Michal

::Om Namo

Narayanaya::

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 > wrote:

> Namaskar,

>

> Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and

loose his

> wife as he had molested the wife Vrnda of an

Asura

> to destroy her chastity which protected her

husband.

> And she had given a curse and how that is

reflected

> in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one

story in

> Purana.

>

> Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing

Bali

> by deceit (by shooting from behind), Killing

a

> woman, tataka etc and how that is reflected

in the

> horoscopes of later avatars?

>

> What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all

> kshatriyas 21 times against rules of

svadharma of a

> Brahmin? How two avtaras came to operate at

the same

> time if Karma rules affected them?

>

> What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must

take

> birth again for the thefts he made in Gokulam

and

> also on the banks of Yamuna?

>

> If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study

Jyotisha

> with Sri Rama's horoscope - I think it is

poor

> scientific attitude. Please try to change. As

I

> understand neither Parasara, Garga or

Varahamihira

> never quoted any such horoscope. To my

knowledge, a

> Jyotishi should not use a horoscope without

knowing

> the date of birth, time and place of birth

and

> verifying it by himself. A hearsay data

cannot be

> studying material for Jyotisha...

>

> surya rao

>

> ath.org> wrote:

> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*

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> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

>

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> }

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Surya, Namaskar

>

> You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent

me two

> mails, and i answered each of them. You did

not ask

> for references. If you believe Maharishi

Parasara,

> then please refer to the

> Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat

Parasara

> Hora Shastra. Here he uses the principles for

seeing

> childnesness, but this extends to other

houses to

> see how the curse manifests in other parts of

life,

> just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin

shaapa

> seperating him from his throne, family and

then his

> own wife.

>

> You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for

the

> placement of Jupiter in the third house. Here

is

> what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where

i

> thoroughly went through all the points:

>

> ------------

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vidya, Namaskar

>

> This applies to the planets causing the

curse. I.e.

> in a curse of brahmin, Jupiter is the cause

of the

> curse.

>

> Example: In Sri Ramas

chart, Jupiter is aspected

> by Saturn and Mars, thus forming the curse of

> Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had earned from

Narada

> Muni.

>

> The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show

the

> intention behind the curse. Kendra/Kona is

good,

> whilst the rest are not.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter

is in kendra thus the

> intention of Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very

good. Sri

> Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada

Muni

> from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his

> intention was good.

>

> The sign placement will show the level of

awareness

> involved when performing the action which

earned the

> curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter

is exalted thus he

> (as vishnu) was fully aware when he turned

Narada

> Muni’s face into that of a monkey.

>

> We can go on;

>

> The lordship of the planet aspecting the

cursed

> planet will show the area which is affected

by the

> curse.

>

> In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn

is the more malefic

> among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the

seventh

> and eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will

come to

> relationships/wife (seventh) and there will

also be

> suffering in the form of separation in

relationships

> (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had

himself

> been rejected by the woman he wished to

marry.

>

> Mars lords the fifth and

tenth houses, thus anger

> came to him through his devotees (fifth –

narada

> muni was a devotee), and through his kingship

(tenth

> house is the simhasana, and this was denied

him).

>

> I hope you will take my mail in the right

spirit.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> http://srigaruda.com

or http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> [] On

Behalf Of

> Surya Rao

> 08 November 2005 19:42

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

freind

> who is depressed with his life

>

> lakshmikary <lakshmikary >

wrote:

>

> Dear Surya,

> A curse is occuring when two or more,

malefics

> aspect by graha drishti a rashi,house,

planet,etc(

> this represents the desires of revenge

>

> Do you have any authoritative references for

this

> statement? Two malefics in one house or

aspecting

> one house is a very common feature and how

can you

> say such a configuration shows curse? If that

is so,

> then Jyotisha will become cursology.

>

> I had asked many questions to V_Larzen as to

how the

> brahmin curse was inferred with exalted 8th

lord

> Guru in 3rd house?

>

> It is easy to make a suffering man to feel

that he

> is under some curse. Such a comment should

not be

> superficial as we are dealing with a fellow

human

> being and we will be injuring his psyche by

> conveying such a thing. My question was,

whether in

> the given example, sufficient grounds were

there to

> decipher a curse and from Brahmin etc.

>

> A man who gives mantra to others to ward off

the

> curses must know clearly as to how he inferred

the

> curse and which authority supports that

inference?

>

> I spoke in the interest of the querent

individual

> and also of the Jyotishi. Then Jyotishi said

some

> lame excuses instead of placing his

conviction on

> the inference before me. He was not confident

of his

> knowledge and his inference. We should not

touch the

> occult and give remedies when we are not

confident

> of what we are doing. I hope you will agree

with me.

>

> I hope you will take my words in the right

spirit.

>

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|JAI SRIRAM|

It doesn't matter you learn moola dasa or not.You can read

Ramayana then you can find out Lord Rama horoscope.If you are still

saying you need date etc then you simply disrespect Sage Vasistar.He

gave the horoscope of Lord Rama and his other brothers in

Ramayana.You don't expect all the details for drawing the horoscope

just like for ordinary human beings.What are you going to do to with

datas?Are you going to draw the chart for avatars?I hope you are

using some astro softwares for drawing the horoscope.Think what are

you going to do if you don't have any software.Are you using panchang

and draw the chart manually?Which year panchang are you going to

use?Are you suspecting Sage Vasista is one of the sapta rishis?Why

are you expectimg the birth details of avatars?Are you suspect the

horoscope he gave for Lord Rama?

Regards,

S.Venkatesh

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> It is your perspective. And the study of Jyotisha I have my methods

> - anyway I am not going to learn Moola dasa or any Jyotisha from

> the horoscopes of Rama and Krishna. If you are a Jyotishi when you

> are giving a horoscope, you must give Date, time and place along

> with. Please give that for Rama and Krishna horoscopes you have.

> Without DOB, Time and Place, using a horoscope is a joke on

> Jyotisha. That is my understanding.

>

> Surya Rao

>

> Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:

> |JAI SRIRAM|

> Surya rao,

>

> You are totally wrong and commiting sins by telling in a wrong way

> about the avatar of Lord Vishnu.You are not right in the way you

> mentioned about Lord Rama.One important message is

>

> Lord Rama never think about any ladies except Sita devi so that the

> reason he called as Ekapathnivarathan.

>

> He never did any wrongs,he never killed any ladies,he killed Vali

> from behind it is because of the protection of dharma.Did you not

> aware that Lord Rama not kill Lord Ravana when he was standing

> without a single weapon and asks him "Go today and come back

> tommorrow".

>

> Lord Krishna theft only the HEARTS of the devotees and nothing more

> than that in Gokulam.

>

> Studying the jyotish by analysing the horoscopes of Lord Rama,Lord

> Krishna is the best way.Did you not know the horoscope worship of

> Lord Rama is one of the best way to come out of all the troubles?If

> you want to learn how Moola dasa is working take Lord Ramas

> horoscope

> and take Lord Krishnas horoscope for Tithi Ashottari dasa.Lord

> Ramas

> horoscope is available in Ramayana.Everyone knows Lord Rama avatr

> in

> Ayothya and Sage Vasista kula guru of Lord Rama wrote the horoscope

> for Lord Rama and his brothers.

>

> Most importantly Avtar of Lord Vishnu is because of

> 1.To protect the dharma and kill the adharma

> 2.To protect the saddus life

> 3.During the avatrs there is no sortage of knowledge

> 4.It is not like that of ordinary human beings again and again

> 5.Thinking in a wrong about the Avatrs are the worst sins

> 6.Worshipping dasa avatrs are the best way to get rid out of all

> the

> sins.

>

> Regards,

> S.Venkatesh

>

> --- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

>

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his wife as he

> had

> > molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her chastity which

> > protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that is

> > reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in Purana.

> >

> > Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit (by

> > shooting from behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc and how that

> is

> > reflected in the horoscopes of later avatars?

> >

> > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all kshatriyas 21 times

> > against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two avtaras came to

> > operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them?

> >

> > What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again for

> > the thefts he made in Gokulam and also on the banks of Yamuna?

> >

> > If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha with Sri

> Rama's

> > horoscope - I think it is poor scientific attitude. Please try to

> > change. As I understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira

> > never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a Jyotishi

> should

> > not use a horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time and

> > place of birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot

> > be studying material for Jyotisha...

> >

> > surya rao

> >

> > ath.org> wrote:

> > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)

> }

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Surya, Namaskar

> >

> > You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two mails, and i

> > answered each of them. You did not ask for references. If you

> > believe Maharishi Parasara, then please refer to the

> > Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.

> > Here he uses the principles for seeing childnesness, but this

> > extends to other houses to see how the curse manifests in other

> > parts of life, just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin

> shaapa

> > seperating him from his throne, family and then his own wife.

> >

> > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of

> > Jupiter in the third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail to

> Sri

> > Vidya, where i thoroughly went through all the points:

> >

> > ------------

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Vidya, Namaskar

> >

> > This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of

> > brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

> >

> > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and

> > Mars, thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had

> > earned from Narada Muni.

> >

> > The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention

> behind

> > the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of

> > Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was

> trying

> > to protect Narada Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus

> his

> > intention was good.

> >

> > The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when

> > performing the action which earned the curse.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was

> > fully aware when he turned Narada Muni’s face into that of a

> > monkey.

> >

> > We can go on;

> >

> > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will show

> > the area which is affected by the curse.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn

> and

> > Mars, and Saturn lords the seventh and eighth house, thus pain

> and

> > sorrow will come to relationships/wife (seventh) and there will

> > also be suffering in the form of separation in relationships

> > (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself been rejected

> by

> > the woman he wished to marry.

> >

> > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him

> > through his devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and

> > through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was

> > denied him).

> >

> > I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > [] On Behalf Of Surya Rao

> > 08 November 2005 19:42

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for freind who is

> depressed

>

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November 9, 2005

Please read about the genesis and evolution/growth of Epics, Ramayana and

Mahabharata. If the horoscope was given by a sage He would have first mentioned

the Date, time and place of birth. Of course Ayodhya is known. Can you just find

a date during last 5000 years which satisfies the Rama horoscope? One date

available is the determination of Sri TS Kuppanna Sastri (that date is AD 805

or so, I don't remember exactly), one of the great Sanskrit scholar and

astronomer. There are many people who have published excellent historical

studies on the date of Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. BORI, Pune and recently

B_Vidya Bhavan have published MR Yardis research works on the genesis and

growth of the Epics. Study such works and try to read the epics of Valmiki and

Vyasa and then speak about Avtars etc. And also study the six darsanas of such

Sages as Great Kapila and then try to reflect as to who came as Avtar and how

etc.

It will be too time consuming to lecture here unless you yourself has a sincere

desire to know. If you have that inquisitiveness read the books suggested and

look for other studies.

I wish you good luck

Surya Rao Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote:

|JAI SRIRAM| It doesn't matter you learn moola dasa or not.You can

readRamayana then you can find out Lord Rama horoscope.If you are stillsaying

you need date etc then you simply disrespect Sage Vasistar.Hegave the horoscope

of Lord Rama and his other brothers inRamayana.You don't expect all the details

for drawing the horoscopejust like for ordinary human beings.What are you going

to do to withdatas?Are you going to draw the chart for avatars?I hope you

areusing some astro softwares for drawing the horoscope.Think what areyou going

to do if you don't have any software.Are you using panchangand draw the chart

manually?Which year panchang are you going touse?Are you suspecting Sage

Vasista is one of the sapta rishis?Whyare you expectimg the birth details of

avatars?Are you suspect

thehoroscope he gave for Lord Rama?Regards,S.Venkatesh --- Surya Rao

<suryarao12 > wrote:> It is your perspective. And the study of

Jyotisha I have my methods> - anyway I am not going to learn Moola dasa or any

Jyotisha from> the horoscopes of Rama and Krishna. If you are a Jyotishi when

you> are giving a horoscope, you must give Date, time and place along> with.

Please give that for Rama and Krishna horoscopes you have.> Without DOB, Time

and Place, using a horoscope is a joke on> Jyotisha. That is my understanding.

> > > > Surya Rao> > > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote:> |JAI SRIRAM|>

Surya rao,> > You are totally wrong and commiting sins by telling in a wrong

way> about the avatar of Lord Vishnu.You are not right in the way you>

mentioned about Lord Rama.One important message is

> > Lord Rama never think about any ladies except Sita devi so that the> reason

he called as Ekapathnivarathan.> > He never did any wrongs,he never killed any

ladies,he killed Vali> from behind it is because of the protection of

dharma.Did you not> aware that Lord Rama not kill Lord Ravana when he was

standing> without a single weapon and asks him "Go today and come back>

tommorrow".> > Lord Krishna theft only the HEARTS of the devotees and nothing

more> than that in Gokulam.> > Studying the jyotish by analysing the horoscopes

of Lord Rama,Lord> Krishna is the best way.Did you not know the horoscope

worship of> Lord Rama is one of the best way to come out of all the

troubles?If> you want to learn how Moola dasa is working take Lord Ramas>

horoscope> and take Lord Krishnas horoscope for Tithi Ashottari dasa.Lord>

Ramas> horoscope is

available in Ramayana.Everyone knows Lord Rama avatr> in> Ayothya and Sage

Vasista kula guru of Lord Rama wrote the horoscope> for Lord Rama and his

brothers.> > Most importantly Avtar of Lord Vishnu is because of> 1.To protect

the dharma and kill the adharma> 2.To protect the saddus life> 3.During the

avatrs there is no sortage of knowledge> 4.It is not like that of ordinary

human beings again and again> 5.Thinking in a wrong about the Avatrs are the

worst sins > 6.Worshipping dasa avatrs are the best way to get rid out of all>

the> sins.> > Regards,> S.Venkatesh> > > > > > --- Surya Rao

<suryarao12 > wrote:> > > Namaskar, > > > > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to

take the Avtar and loose his wife as he> had> > molested the wife Vrnda of an

Asura to destroy her

chastity which> > protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that

is> > reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in Purana. > > > >

Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit (by> > shooting

from behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc and how that> is> > reflected in the

horoscopes of later avatars? > > > > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing

all kshatriyas 21 times> > against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two

avtaras came to> > operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them? > >

> > What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again for> > the

thefts he made in Gokulam and also on the banks of Yamuna? > > > > If you

quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha with Sri> Rama's> > horoscope - I

think it is poor

scientific attitude. Please try to> > change. As I understand neither Parasara,

Garga or Varahamihira> > never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a

Jyotishi> should> > not use a horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time

and> > place of birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot> > be

studying material for Jyotisha...> > > > surya rao> > > > ath.org> wrote:> >

v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*> >

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape> >

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)> }> > ||Hare

Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Surya, Namaskar> > > > You refer to my name; Visti

LarSen. You sent me two mails, and i> > answered each of them. You did not ask

for references. If you> >

believe Maharishi Parasara, then please refer to the> >

Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.> > Here he uses

the principles for seeing childnesness, but this> > extends to other houses to

see how the curse manifests in other> > parts of life, just as Sri Rama had to

live with the Brahmin> shaapa> > seperating him from his throne, family and

then his own wife.> > > > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the

placement of> > Jupiter in the third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail

to> Sri> > Vidya, where i thoroughly went through all the points: > > > >

------------> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Vidya, Namaskar> > > > This

applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse of> > brahmin, Jupiter

is the cause of the curse.> >

> > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is aspected by Saturn and> > Mars,

thus forming the curse of Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had> > earned from Narada

Muni. > > > > The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the intention>

behind> > the curse. Kendra/Kona is good, whilst the rest are not.> > > > In

Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus the intention of> > Sri Rama/Sri

Vishnu was very good. Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu, was> trying> > to protect Narada

Muni from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus> his> > intention was good. > > >

> The sign placement will show the level of awareness involved when> >

performing the action which earned the curse.> > > > In Sri Ramas chart,

Jupiter is exalted thus he (as vishnu) was> > fully aware when he

turned Narada Muni’s face into that of a> > monkey. > > > > > > > > We can go

on;> > > > > > > > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed planet will

show> > the area which is affected by the curse. > > > > In Sri Ramas chart,

Saturn is the more malefic among Saturn> and> > Mars, and Saturn lords the

seventh and eighth house, thus pain> and> > sorrow will come to

relationships/wife (seventh) and there will> > also be suffering in the form of

separation in relationships> > (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had

himself been rejected> by> > the woman he wished to marry. > > > > Mars

lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus anger came to him> > through his

devotees (fifth – narada muni was a devotee), and>

> through his kingship (tenth house is the simhasana, and this was> > denied

him). > > > > > > I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.> > > > Best

wishes,> > > > ***> > > > Visti Larsen> > > > For services and articles visit: >

> > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > > > ***> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > [] On Behalf

Of Surya Rao> > 08 November 2005 19:42> > To:

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] reading for

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|JAI SRIRAM|

I had already wrote to you that avatrs are not like

ordinary human births,so there is no need to study the genesis

etc.Sage Vasistar who is kula guru of Lord Rama has calculated

planetry positions,it is more than sufficient which is available in

the Ramayana.

Regards,

S.Venkatesh

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> Dear Venkatesh,

>

> Please read about the genesis and evolution/growth of Epics,

> Ramayana and Mahabharata. If the horoscope was given by a sage He

> would have first mentioned the Date, time and place of birth. Of

> course Ayodhya is known. Can you just find a date during last 5000

> years which satisfies the Rama horoscope? One date available is the

> determination of Sri TS Kuppanna Sastri (that date is AD 805 or so,

> I don't remember exactly), one of the great Sanskrit scholar and

> astronomer. There are many people who have published excellent

> historical studies on the date of Ramayana, Mahabharata etc. BORI,

> Pune and recently B_Vidya Bhavan have published MR Yardis research

> works on the genesis and growth of the Epics. Study such works and

> try to read the epics of Valmiki and Vyasa and then speak about

> Avtars etc. And also study the six darsanas of such Sages as Great

> Kapila and then try to reflect as to who came as Avtar and how etc.

>

> It will be too time consuming to lecture here unless you yourself

> has a sincere desire to know. If you have that inquisitiveness read

> the books suggested and look for other studies.

>

> I wish you good luck

>

> Surya Rao

>

> Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:

> |JAI SRIRAM|

>

> It doesn't matter you learn moola dasa or not.You can read

> Ramayana then you can find out Lord Rama horoscope.If you are still

> saying you need date etc then you simply disrespect Sage

> Vasistar.He

> gave the horoscope of Lord Rama and his other brothers in

> Ramayana.You don't expect all the details for drawing the horoscope

> just like for ordinary human beings.What are you going to do to

> with

> datas?Are you going to draw the chart for avatars?I hope you are

> using some astro softwares for drawing the horoscope.Think what are

> you going to do if you don't have any software.Are you using

> panchang

> and draw the chart manually?Which year panchang are you going to

> use?Are you suspecting Sage Vasista is one of the sapta rishis?Why

> are you expectimg the birth details of avatars?Are you suspect the

> horoscope he gave for Lord Rama?

>

> Regards,

> S.Venkatesh

>

> --- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

>

> > It is your perspective. And the study of Jyotisha I have my

> methods

> > - anyway I am not going to learn Moola dasa or any Jyotisha from

> > the horoscopes of Rama and Krishna. If you are a Jyotishi when

> you

> > are giving a horoscope, you must give Date, time and place along

> > with. Please give that for Rama and Krishna horoscopes you have.

> > Without DOB, Time and Place, using a horoscope is a joke on

> > Jyotisha. That is my understanding.

> >

> > Surya Rao

> >

> > Venkatesh S <ksvssvk wrote:

> > |JAI SRIRAM|

> > Surya rao,

> >

> > You are totally wrong and commiting sins by telling in a wrong

> way

> > about the avatar of Lord Vishnu.You are not right in the way you

> > mentioned about Lord Rama.One important message is

> >

> > Lord Rama never think about any ladies except Sita devi so that

> the

> > reason he called as Ekapathnivarathan.

> >

> > He never did any wrongs,he never killed any ladies,he killed Vali

> > from behind it is because of the protection of dharma.Did you not

> > aware that Lord Rama not kill Lord Ravana when he was standing

> > without a single weapon and asks him "Go today and come back

> > tommorrow".

> >

> > Lord Krishna theft only the HEARTS of the devotees and nothing

> more

> > than that in Gokulam.

> >

> > Studying the jyotish by analysing the horoscopes of Lord

> Rama,Lord

> > Krishna is the best way.Did you not know the horoscope worship of

> > Lord Rama is one of the best way to come out of all the

> troubles?If

> > you want to learn how Moola dasa is working take Lord Ramas

> > horoscope

> > and take Lord Krishnas horoscope for Tithi Ashottari dasa.Lord

> > Ramas

> > horoscope is available in Ramayana.Everyone knows Lord Rama avatr

> > in

> > Ayothya and Sage Vasista kula guru of Lord Rama wrote the

> horoscope

> > for Lord Rama and his brothers.

> >

> > Most importantly Avtar of Lord Vishnu is because of

> > 1.To protect the dharma and kill the adharma

> > 2.To protect the saddus life

> > 3.During the avatrs there is no sortage of knowledge

> > 4.It is not like that of ordinary human beings again and again

> > 5.Thinking in a wrong about the Avatrs are the worst sins

> > 6.Worshipping dasa avatrs are the best way to get rid out of all

> > the

> > sins.

> >

> > Regards,

> > S.Venkatesh

> >

> > --- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose his wife as he

> > had

> > > molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura to destroy her chastity

> which

> > > protected her husband. And she had given a curse and how that

> is

> > > reflected in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in

> Purana.

> > >

> > > Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali by deceit

> (by

> > > shooting from behind), Killing a woman, tataka etc and how that

> > is

> > > reflected in the horoscopes of later avatars?

> > >

> > > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all kshatriyas 21

> times

> > > against rules of svadharma of a Brahmin? How two avtaras came

> to

> > > operate at the same time if Karma rules affected them?

> > >

> > > What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take birth again

> for

> > > the thefts he made in Gokulam and also on the banks of Yamuna?

> > >

> > > If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha with Sri

> > Rama's

> > > horoscope - I think it is poor scientific attitude. Please try

> to

> > > change. As I understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira

> > > never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge, a Jyotishi

> > should

> > > not use a horoscope without knowing the date of birth, time and

> > > place of birth and verifying it by himself. A hearsay data

> cannot

> > > be studying material for Jyotisha...

> > >

> > > surya rao

> > >

> > > ath.org> wrote:

> > > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*

> > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*

> > > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

> > >

> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)

> > }

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Surya, Namaskar

> > >

> > > You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me two mails, and

> i

> > > answered each of them. You did not ask for references. If you

> > > believe Maharishi Parasara, then please refer to the

> > > Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara Hora Shastra.

> > > Here he uses the principles for seeing childnesness, but this

> > > extends to other houses to see how the curse manifests in other

> > > parts of life, just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin

> > shaapa

> > > seperating him from his throne, family and then his own wife.

> > >

> > > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the placement of

> > > Jupiter in the third house. Here is what i wrote in the mail to

> > Sri

> > > Vidya, where i thoroughly went through all the points:

> > >

> > > ------------

> > >

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Vidya, Namaskar

> > >

> > > This applies to the planets causing the curse. I.e. in a curse

> of

> > > brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the curse.

>

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::Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Surya,

With Respect Sir, your postings are quite hard to

read, but I do my best. I did not say you said so,

please, read between the lines. Rather, I was trying

to convey the idea to you that just because one does

not have the birth data, one should not discard a

chart, or a person, or some information. Some rare

people do not require even a chart to see right

through you - to all your insecurities and impulses -

they see it written all over your face, so what would

you tell them? "Oh, my birth details might be

incorrect" - they don't need it, forget it and don't

worry.

Jyotish is the science of light, and light touches

everything without discriminating what one thing is

called from another. Please try to understand the

simple definition. Where is the authority that says

you cannot quote the Puranas for the study of Jyotish?

Or anything else for that matter?

We are all here in a serious pursuit of a science, and

do not involve ourselves with superstition, rather we

would like to dispell this.

I hope we hear some valuable interpretations from you,

and not just your social commentary.

Respectfully,

Mr Dziwulski

::Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

> Dear Dziwulski,

>

> You did not read my posting well. I did not say so.

> My posting is there below your lines - see what have

> I written and what you are saying. Your other mail

> also has shallow observations and so I am not

> replying to them. Please try to approach Jyotisha as

> a Sastra - people cannot add all things of

> commonsense and imagination to Jyotisha. One should

> know how to objectively look at a chart to

> understand its strengths and weaknesses and decide

> whether the exps match with the configuarations. One

> should not jump to cursology that is being employed

> all over India by some people claiming as Jyotishis

> to exploit people. Look at other observations I have

> made and try to understand them.

>

> Surya Rao

>

> Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

> ::Hare Rama Krsna::

>

> Dear Surya Rao,

>

> Parasara gave many combinations and interpretations

> without giving any chart details. Do you think we

> should discard his work?

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> ::Om Namo Narayanaya::

>

> --- Surya Rao <suryarao12 wrote:

>

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > Sri Rama, Vishnu had to take the Avtar and loose

> his

> > wife as he had molested the wife Vrnda of an Asura

> > to destroy her chastity which protected her

> husband.

> > And she had given a curse and how that is

> reflected

> > in his Sri Rama's chart? This is one story in

> > Purana.

> >

> > Sri Rama himself did many wrongs like killing Bali

> > by deceit (by shooting from behind), Killing a

> > woman, tataka etc and how that is reflected in the

> > horoscopes of later avatars?

> >

> > What about the sins of Bhargava - killing all

> > kshatriyas 21 times against rules of svadharma of

> a

> > Brahmin? How two avtaras came to operate at the

> same

> > time if Karma rules affected them?

> >

> > What about Balaram and Krishan? Krishan must take

> > birth again for the thefts he made in Gokulam and

> > also on the banks of Yamuna?

> >

> > If you quote Puranas in Jyotisha or study Jyotisha

> > with Sri Rama's horoscope - I think it is poor

> > scientific attitude. Please try to change. As I

> > understand neither Parasara, Garga or Varahamihira

> > never quoted any such horoscope. To my knowledge,

> a

> > Jyotishi should not use a horoscope without

> knowing

> > the date of birth, time and place of birth and

> > verifying it by himself. A hearsay data cannot be

> > studying material for Jyotisha...

> >

> > surya rao

> >

> > ath.org> wrote:

> > v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:*

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*

> > {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape

> >

>

{behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui)

> > }

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Surya, Namaskar

> >

> > You refer to my name; Visti LarSen. You sent me

> two

> > mails, and i answered each of them. You did not

> ask

> > for references. If you believe Maharishi Parasara,

> > then please refer to the

> > Purvajanmashaapadyotanaadhyaaya of Brhat Parasara

> > Hora Shastra. Here he uses the principles for

> seeing

> > childnesness, but this extends to other houses to

> > see how the curse manifests in other parts of

> life,

> > just as Sri Rama had to live with the Brahmin

> shaapa

> > seperating him from his throne, family and then

> his

> > own wife.

> >

> > You seem to ignore the explanation i gave for the

> > placement of Jupiter in the third house. Here is

> > what i wrote in the mail to Sri Vidya, where i

> > thoroughly went through all the points:

> >

> > ------------

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Vidya, Namaskar

> >

> > This applies to the planets causing the curse.

> I.e.

> > in a curse of brahmin, Jupiter is the cause of the

> > curse.

> >

> > Example: In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is

> aspected

> > by Saturn and Mars, thus forming the curse of

> > Brahmin, which Sri Vishnu had earned from Narada

> > Muni.

> >

> > The bhava-placement of Jupiter will then show the

> > intention behind the curse. Kendra/Kona is good,

> > whilst the rest are not.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is in kendra thus

> the

> > intention of Sri Rama/Sri Vishnu was very good.

> Sri

> > Rama/Sri Vishnu, was trying to protect Narada Muni

> > from breaking his vow of celibacy, thus his

> > intention was good.

> >

> > The sign placement will show the level of

> awareness

> > involved when performing the action which earned

> the

> > curse.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Jupiter is exalted thus he

> > (as vishnu) was fully aware when he turned Narada

> > Muni’s face into that of a monkey.

> >

> > We can go on;

> >

> > The lordship of the planet aspecting the cursed

> > planet will show the area which is affected by the

> > curse.

> >

> > In Sri Ramas chart, Saturn is the more malefic

> > among Saturn and Mars, and Saturn lords the

> seventh

> > and eighth house, thus pain and sorrow will come

> to

> > relationships/wife (seventh) and there will also

> be

> > suffering in the form of separation in

> relationships

> > (eighth). This was because Narada Muni had himself

> > been rejected by the woman he wished to marry.

> >

> > Mars lords the fifth and tenth houses, thus

> anger

> > came to him through his devotees (fifth – narada

> > muni was a devotee), and through his kingship

> (tenth

> > house is the simhasana, and this was denied him).

> >

> > I hope you will take my mail in the right spirit.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > [] On Behalf Of

> > Surya Rao

>

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