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Dear Visti ji,

 

namaskar..

 

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

 

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

 

do this makes a diff..

 

kindly guide further..

 

thanks

tarun.

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar

I will

answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No, just

because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that

they will earn more if they move to Vietnam

or even more if they move to Mexico.

The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs

indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within

the town.

Dual signs

indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So first

identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign

it is in to determine the distance.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com

***

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[] On Behalf Of Tarun

28 September 2005 05:55

 

[Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

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10.0pt">Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what

would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur

to calcutta as

there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the

local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person

will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in

east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too

far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Dear Visti ji

Good morning,

thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.

But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another

city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in

horoscope..

like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be

affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical

location particularly on the planet earth.

even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta

my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but

the degree is changed. in the chart.

do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune

thanks

tarun agarwal

Visti Larsen wrote:

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||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tarun,

Namaskar

I

will

answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No,

just

because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean

that

they will earn more if they move to Vietnam

or even more if they move to Mexico.

The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The

movable signs

indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not

far, i.e. within

the town.

Dual

signs

indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So

first

identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see

which sign

it is in to determine the distance.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti

Larsen

For

services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

 

[] On Behalf Of Tarun

28 September

2005 05:55

To:

 

[Om Krishna

Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one

hour...then what

would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur

to calcutta

as

there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated

on the

local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a

person

will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby

city in

east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves

to too

far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much

much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

The concept you are

referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called

Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the

new location that one has moved to.

Now for us vedic

astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main

principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the

birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents,

sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations,

then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would

drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t

change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com

***

 

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[] On

Behalf Of Tarun

29 September 2005 04:09

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji

Good morning,

thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.

But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city

within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..

like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be

affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location

particularly on the planet earth.

even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur

and i move to calcutta

my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree

is changed. in the chart.

do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune

thanks

tarun agarwal

Visti Larsen wrote:

color:#FF0080">

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar

I will

answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No, just

because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that

they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if

they move to Mexico.

The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs

indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e.

within the town.

Dual signs

indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So first

identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign

it is in to determine the distance.

Best wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com

***

[]

On Behalf Of Tarun

28 September 2005 05:55

 

[Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what

would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta

as there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the

local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person

will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in

east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too

far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Dear Visti ji,

Thanks for your mail,

Atleast some astrologers did that ...whoever they are ..vedic or

western doesnt matter.

sir i dont want to argue on this because you are very senior to me and

high knowlegable than me in astrology.

sir that idea came in my mind because planet changed its raashi if we

see it in indian timezone..but it didnt if we see it in canadian

timezone....the person will be effected lately by some hours by the

changed planet.

thanks and regards

tarun

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||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar

The concept

you are

referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is

called

Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis

of the

new location that one has moved to.

Now for us

vedic

astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the

main

principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma

based on the

birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name,

parrents,

sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new

locations,

then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance

would

drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me

that I don’t

change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com

***

 

 

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun

29 September

2005 04:09

To:

 

Re: [Om

Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji

Good morning,

thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.

But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another

city

within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in

horoscope..

like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the

lagna degree will be

affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical

location

particularly on the planet earth.

even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur

and i move to calcutta

my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but

the degree

is changed. in the chart.

do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune

thanks

tarun agarwal

Visti Larsen wrote:

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tarun,

Namaskar

I

will

answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No,

just

because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean

that

they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even

more if

they move to Mexico.

The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The

movable signs

indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not

far, i.e.

within the town.

Dual

signs

indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So

first

identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see

which sign

it is in to determine the distance.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti

Larsen

For

services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

 

[]

On Behalf Of Tarun

28 September

2005 05:55

 

[Om Krishna

Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and

one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one

hour...then what

would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta

as there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated

on the

local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a

person

will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby

city in

east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves

to too

far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much

much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Dear Visti,

 

Namaste!

 

It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind

AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument.

 

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday,

September 29, 2005 1:04 PMSubject: RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western

astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart

changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to.

Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with

the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma

based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our

name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our

new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even

appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience

tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is

unacceptible.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun29 September 2005 04:09To:

Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding

location.....

 

Dear Visti jiGood morning,thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.But sir

i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the

same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..like if i move to

calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because

planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet

earth.even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my

timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is

changed. in the chart.do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus

fortunethanks tarun agarwalVisti Larsen wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean

that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to

Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The

movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving

not far, i.e. within the town.

Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see

which sign it is in to determine the distance.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun28 September 2005 05:55To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,namaskar..sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and

one live in Calcutta....the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would

be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of

one hour but it is in the same time zone..as i think that horoscope is

calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone.i m asking this because if

i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby

city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too

far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...as he can

earn in nearby city..do this makes a diff..kindly guide further..thankstarun.

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Agastya, Namaskar

Please do justice to

the subject by explaining this in detail with examples please. I assume you can

write a convincing article on the same for the Jyotish Digest.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com

***

 

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[] On

Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi

30 September 2005 05:46

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste!

 

It appears that perhaps you have not

properly understood the concept behind AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what

is essentially a strawman argument.

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[]On

Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Thursday, September 29, 2005

1:04 PM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

The concept you are

referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called

Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the

new location that one has moved to.

Now for us vedic

astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main

principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the

birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents,

sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations,

then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would

drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I

don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com

***

 

color:windowtext">

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun

29 September 2005 04:09

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji

Good morning,

thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.

But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city

within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..

like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be

affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location

particularly on the planet earth.

even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur

and i move to calcutta

my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree

is changed. in the chart.

do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune

thanks

tarun agarwal

Visti Larsen wrote:

color:#FF0080">

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar

I will

answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No, just

because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they

will earn more if they move to Vietnam

or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be

said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas,

whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town.

Dual signs

indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So first

identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign

it is in to determine the distance.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com

***

[]

On Behalf Of Tarun

28 September 2005 05:55

 

[Om Krishna Guru]

Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what

would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local

sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person

will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in

east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too

far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Dear Visti,

 

pranams. Thank you for the invitation. I would love to but at the present, time

is not a comodity I have in excess. Will reconsider when things settle down and

I can do so in a calm state. In the mean time you could do some research of your

own on the subject try googling AstroCartoGraphy and look at relevant articles.

 

Best wishes

 

A

 

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenFriday,

September 30, 2005 2:43 AMSubject: RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Agastya, Namaskar

Please do justice to the subject by explaining this in detail with examples

please. I assume you can write a convincing article on the same for the Jyotish

Digest.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi30 September 2005 05:46To:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding

location.....

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste!

 

It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind

AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument.

 

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday,

September 29, 2005 1:04 PMSubject: RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western

astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart

changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to.

Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with

the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma

based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our

name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our

new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even

appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience

tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is

unacceptible.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun29 September 2005 04:09To:

Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding

location.....

 

Dear Visti jiGood morning,thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.But sir

i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the

same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..like if i move to

calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because

planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet

earth.even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my

timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is

changed. in the chart.do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus

fortunethanks tarun agarwalVisti Larsen wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tarun, Namaskar

I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean

that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to

Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The

movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving

not far, i.e. within the town.

Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see

which sign it is in to determine the distance.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Tarun28 September 2005 05:55To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

 

Dear Visti ji,namaskar..sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and

one live in Calcutta....the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would

be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of

one hour but it is in the same time zone..as i think that horoscope is

calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone.i m asking this because if

i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby

city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too

far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...as he can

earn in nearby city..do this makes a diff..kindly guide further..thankstarun.

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The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is

not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to

modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher

events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth

probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the

root cannot be changed.

What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that root

horoscope of unaltered birth place.

I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it was

directed towards Sri Visti.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote:

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Dear Bharat ji,

namaskar,

thanks for your mail. Before we go on the discussion we must took in

consideration that how planet effect us....means what is the thing by

which they are effecting us.

As in somebooks on Astronomy what i read is that the planet are bounded

by mutual gravitaional force.....i.e...they are effecting the person by

its geographical location on earth. If a person moves to moon his

destiny will changed...and this is a damn truth....and for this we have

to study astrology as a science not just as what Varahmihira said or

what shri BV raman said or lahiri or even shri parashara said.

We have to see what Astronomy says...and then what astrology says

...interlinking in them can lead us to see this scared knowledge as a

Science.

Your answer should have a reply saying that the astrology chart is made

as per local birth time taking timezone as default and correction in it

as per local sunrise..

please dont mind if u feel my words as harsh or rude.

Thanks and Best Regards

Tarun Agarwal

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Tarun

The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is

not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to

modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher

events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth

probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the

root cannot be changed.

What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that

root horoscope of unaltered birth place.

I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it

was directed towards Sri Visti.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo >

wrote:

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour

but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not

on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

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Your thinking is very correct. Let us apply a simple principle. Treat

birth as an event caused by certain natural forces. That event is

recorded at a particular time and place. Now, this event can cause

further events (as in a natural progression of forces). Therefore, it

is important to take the Birth place and not the current place for

making the horoscope (and ofcourse the horoscope is made using the

Local time - we do that calculation, don't we? This is assumed to be

understood by me)

The event of change of residence is also dependent upon the event of

birth and the forces acting that time. In any case, you cannot change

the birth chart by saying that I have changed my residence so my birth

chart should change too.

In making predictions, you can check from the horoscope which

directions are good for a particular house (let's say marriage). Then,

check with the querent whether or not that person has looked for a

marriage partner in the given direction.

What you can do is to make a chart of your entry in the house or

commencement of journey in a particular direction. This comes under

Muhurta and you can apply its principles.

However, we have prasna astrology wherein you can take the place of residence and can cast a chart.

Lastly, I have not considered any of your words harsh. Each query or

misunderstanding or non understanding makes each of us restless.

Through asking of questions we gain the knowledge.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 9/30/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote:

Dear Bharat ji,

namaskar,

thanks for your mail. Before we go on the discussion we must took in

consideration that how planet effect us....means what is the thing by

which they are effecting us.

As in somebooks on Astronomy what i read is that the planet are bounded

by mutual gravitaional force.....i.e...they are effecting the person by

its geographical location on earth. If a person moves to moon his

destiny will changed...and this is a damn truth....and for this we have

to study astrology as a science not just as what Varahmihira said or

what shri BV raman said or lahiri or even shri parashara said.

We have to see what Astronomy says...and then what astrology says

...interlinking in them can lead us to see this scared knowledge as a

Science.

Your answer should have a reply saying that the astrology chart is made

as per local birth time taking timezone as default and correction in it

as per local sunrise..

please dont mind if u feel my words as harsh or rude.

Thanks and Best Regards

Tarun Agarwal

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Tarun

The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is

not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to

modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher

events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth

probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the

root cannot be changed.

What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that

root horoscope of unaltered birth place.

I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it

was directed towards Sri Visti.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo

>

wrote:

Dear Visti ji,

namaskar..

sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

Calcutta....

the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if

someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour

but

it is in the same time zone..

as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not

on

timezone.

i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern

direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt

gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to

calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

as he can earn in nearby city..

do this makes a diff..

kindly guide further..

thanks

tarun.

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

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today

 

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Dear Bharat ji,

 

namaskar,

 

I think that in the old days when the astrology was discovered by our

scientists ( rishi munis) i think that we are following the same things

as they wrote in the books no new concept is discovered....am i right..

 

in those days the distance travelled by the person considering the

horoscope was most of the travel by cart isntit....they were not to

travel across seas or for a distance of 5000 kms even....thats what i m

talking abt means jodhpur to calcutta...considering as a big traveling

distance...

 

even today if we travel by train it takes 2-3 days to reach there...thus

i can say it was a dream in old times to travel so far... so they were

not to consider the long distance like today.

but if we see thsi in present scenario...what we can say...

 

if u have heard abt global positioning system....GPS...if we change the

place we are noticed by the satellite even....which is in space alike a

planet...the same way.....if we are migrated to long distance then our

position is changed....even if u consider as our horoscope reading or

what but its there that ur positon is changed..

 

thanks...

 

tarun...

PS..bharat ji,...try to analyse it being neutrall....to astrology...for

a while...and try to analyse it as scientific way...to explore not in a

way that u cannot move or think ahead written in books....

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You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I am

not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come to

the point.

It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It

is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not

being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It is

your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than

before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been

discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your

assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put

across.

It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to Calcutta

whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir and

Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 BC,

and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is in

Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are more

than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why

would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth happened

at a particular place and that place should be considered to make the

horoscope.

Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th,

1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999

and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should

change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction

this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you.

If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta

or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit

Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta

already and many people practise it.

Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

SCIENTIFIC VIEW OF ASTROLOGY

The

world over Astrology is viewed in a variety of ways. Some people view

it as a hidden science and a mystical subject. A few others take

Astrology to be a pure science and some believe it to be a mere

superstition. The debate between scientists and astrologers regarding

the nature of Astrology continues till date unabated.

 

Science

for one may be superstition for another. Often it is seen that people

blindly follow science without understanding what it actually says and

what its limitations are. Such a behavior is born out of blind beliefs

and even when the concept is scientific, the individual merely

"believes" it to be true without its valid reasons. In other words to

reject OR to accept a concept or an idea without knowing its

fundamentals is nothing but a mere superstition.

 

I present to you some interesting and thoughtful concepts that will help

in understanding Astrology as a subject, its relevance and its

limitations.

 

The Basics: Astrology in scientific terms

Astrology

relates itself to planets and to the two luminaries namely Sun and

Moon. In modern science, we know, Sun is a star and is the prime mover

and, therefore, secondary sources of energy depend upon its energy. Sun

sends in its energy directly to the Earth and, also, as reflected

energy from the Moon and other planets. This energy may be light, heat,

magnetic, gravitational or any other that may be discovered by

Scientists in the coming years. The fact of the matter is, the energy

reaching Earth comes from the Sun and other planets both in direct and

indirect ways.

 

All

events are energy driven. This statement comes from the scientific

adage that every effect has a cause and that every happening has a

force behind it. In other words, it is safe to understand that energy

drives the events.

 

If

we were to understand the kind of energy that drives particular events

then we have a formidable knowledge in our hands. This is exactly what

the ancient Indians attempted. They divided the energy between planets

and developed calculations to measure the contribution of energy from

different planets. By studying the effects that the energy brings,

repeatedly, the ancient Indians were able to correctly assess, what

planetary energy meant for human life, natural habitat and our world in

general. This gave them a tool to calculate the following:

 

Energy received at a particular time at any place on Earth.

The energy received from each planetThe quantum of conflicting and self canceling energy.

and likewise

 

Now

it became easier to correlate any happening in any individual's life to

the planetary system. Astrology is a discovery of natural phenomenon

much as discovery of gravity or magnetism is.

 

Astrology & Astronomy

The

calculation of planetary longitudes and their motion is vital to their

placement in astrological charts. Astrology takes the reference as

Earth and it measures the movement of planets with reference to earth.

 

Further,

it divides the sky into 12 equal parts called signs and 27 equal parts

known as constellations. This is to categorize the nature of various

parts of our sky through distant stars and constellations.

 

All

of the above calculations are nothing but astronomy. It is only when

we try to correlate the astronomy with its effects do we bring in

additional observational data and call it Astrology. In other words, a

rudimentary definition of Astrology, would be – a study of correlation of cosmic

forces with life and natural phenomenon.

 

Astrology

isn't a set of beliefs and superstitions. It is observation,

experimentation and categorization of cause and effects. Both in its

study and its application, it resembles pure science.

 

 

Why Astrology isn't always replicable?

Many scientists have a simple query against the astrologers – If astrology is a

science then its principles must be replicable?

 

In

Science, a discovery is made a natural law if the same phenomenon is

replicable given the same conditions. Let us understand this with a

small example of rain. Rain cannot happen without clouds. This is the

law but this kind of suggests that whenever clouds are present rain

occurs. We all know this isn't true. The correct replicable law is that

for rain to happen not only the clouds have to be present, but, they

have to be so full of moisture that they cannot hold it any longer.

This is replicable but not always. Anywhere in the tropical world the

clouds cannot hold moisture, then, it rains. In the Tundra regions,

however, this law does not hold true. There instead of rain the

moisture might fall as snow. So the law of rain is changed again to

hold true for some regions.

 

In

Astrology, many astrologers are presently engaged in showing replicable

results to the world. They are doing commendable work but here we would

like to give reasons why astrology and its laws are not always

replicable.

 

Astrology

measures the energy at any given point of an event and then discusses

the likely events that are possible in the future in the space time

continuum consequent to this event. Each event itself is a cause to a

variety of possibilities. It is, therefore, possible to predict the

variety of possibilities but very difficult to predict the exact future

event.

 

The events that one faces in life are called destiny. With each event or

situation, an individual has a choice:

 

To react to the situation in many different ways.

To accept the situation and be proactive.To accept the situation and do nothing.

Upon

the choice of the individual the possibilities of the future events

hang. As individual choices can be many the likelihood of the event

happening in the future changes. This change in probability is born out

of a simple understanding of science of human nature.

 

The

more the humans are non-reactive to their destiny the harder it will be

to determine the happenings likely to occur in their future. This may

represent only 1% of the total humanity yet it cannot be treated as an

exception.

 

Astrology therefore is, for the very scientific reasons it upholds, is not replicable always.

 

 

Light & Astrology

We introduce the word Jyotish to you now. Jyotish

means the science of light. Light is another form of energy. Light is

known to carry the information of events with it. In other words, light

could be one of the main factors that make the time continuum possible.

It brings certain continuity between events as it carries vital

information from one event and enables its effects.

 

Let

us again use an example. If a very dear friend who is sitting next to

you is suddenly sick but this information that is carried by energy to

you – through sight and sound is arrested. Imagine something that

arrests both the light and sound that it cannot reach you. In such a

case, the effect of his cries for help will not be there on you.

Whereas, the moment you get this information, you will act. It is safe

to presume that light carries information and brings and enables cause

and effect. Here light should be understood as energy.

 

Cause

and effect enables time as time is defined as the interval between two

events. If events aren't present time cannot be present. In deep sleep

we get a glimpse of no time situation.

 

The

ancient seers of India recognized these facts and employed them

beautifully into a subject of Astrology. Astrology takes its subject

matter from the very basis of space and time and it does not lack in

its scientific approach.

 

 

Scientists & Astrology

We

believe that if scientific community of the world need to focus on

astrology, then it should at least try and prove some of its principles

through their know-how rather than waste time and energy in proving

something useful as a mere superstition.

 

Perhaps

we can find the lost chapters of astrology (lost or destroyed chapters

of various ancient texts over the centuries) ourselves and understand

the same in new light.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 10/1/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote:

Dear Bharat ji,

namaskar,

I think that in the old days when the astrology was discovered by our

scientists ( rishi munis) i think that we are following the same things

as they wrote in the books no new concept is discovered....am i right..

in those days the distance travelled by the person considering the

horoscope was most of the travel by cart isntit....they were not to

travel across seas or for a distance of 5000 kms even....thats what i m

talking abt means jodhpur to calcutta...considering as a big traveling

distance...

even today if we travel by train it takes 2-3 days to reach there...thus

i can say it was a dream in old times to travel so far... so they were

not to consider the long distance like today.

but if we see thsi in present scenario...what we can say...

if u have heard abt global positioning system....GPS...if we change the

place we are noticed by the satellite even....which is in space alike a

planet...the same way.....if we are migrated to long distance then our

position is changed....even if u consider as our horoscope reading or

what but its there that ur positon is changed..

thanks...

tarun...

PS..bharat ji,...try to analyse it being neutrall....to astrology...for

a while...and try to analyse it as scientific way...to explore not in a

way that u cannot move or think ahead written in books....

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

 

 

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Dear Bharat ji,

I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one

knows ......i m sure..

what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not only

for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to move to

distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th,

1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999

and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should

change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction

this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you.

now coming to your question...my view is that

nor the landing time..but the local birth time is to be considered

means when the event of birth occurred in jodhpur what was the time in

calcutta as per solar position not as per IST. The same time should be

considered because if u see about the degree position of planets at the

same time ....like if u take the current time.( do u have jhora

software then kindly check in the same ) .....if u take the current

time and check the lagna degree for an event (may be birth) , u

will find the diff in degrees ....what this means ...in my view it

means these positions should be considered for an event happened in

jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna positions of calcutta

should be considered for an event if organised in calcutta.at

the same time.

in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing.

did u got my attachment in my previous mail

i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat etcc...

Thanks

Tarun...

Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

Namaskaar Tarun

You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I am

not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come to

the point.

It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It

is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not

being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It is

your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than

before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been

discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your

assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put

across.

It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to Calcutta

whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir and

Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 BC,

and then, back to Patliputra.  For your reference Magadha is in

Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are more

than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why

would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth happened

at a particular place and that place should be considered to make the

horoscope.

Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th,

1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999

and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should

change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction

this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you.

If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta

or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit

Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta

already and many people practise it.

Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and

new chart (computed with local time at new location at the instant

of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it may

be due to error in software or precision error or some other reason.

If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location is

changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if it

changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the new

one. I propose the following reason:

 

Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. He

grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to

some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to apply

it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and recomputes

a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because,

say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth chart. He

does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able to

wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be so.

 

Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from

Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the

longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will

move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which

implies that Original Chart also contained the information that

another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. But

we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. There

is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example.

 

One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due to

(a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved

nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma (Ref.

Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same as

in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in moving

towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point it is

invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' area

and arguments can be made to either side.

 

Best regards,

 

Sourav

==================================================================

 

, Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote:

> Dear Bharat ji,

>

> I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

>

> now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one

knows

> ......i m sure..

>

> what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not

only

> for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to

move to

> distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> *

>

> Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October

20th,

> 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th,

1999

> and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we

should

> change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you

sanction

> this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you.

>

> *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing

time..but

> the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of

birth

> occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar

position

> not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u

see

> about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if

u take

> the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in

the

> same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna*

degree for

> an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what

this

> means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered

for an

> event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna

positions

> of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in

> calcutta.at the same time.

>

> in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing.

>

> did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat

etcc...

>

> Thanks

>

> Tarun...

>

>

>

> Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

>

> > Namaskaar Tarun

> >

> > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed

that I

> > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and

come

> > to the point.

> >

> > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old

days. It

> > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is

not

> > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is

evolving. It

> > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today

than

> > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been

> > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that

your

> > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have

put across.

> >

> > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to

> > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to

Kashmir

> > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila

in 300

> > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is

in

> > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances

are

> > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> >

> > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc.

why

> > would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth

> > happened at a particular place and that place should be

considered to

> > make the horoscope.

> >

> > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

October

> > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say,

Feb

> > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your

view,

> > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If

you

> > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

discuss with

> > you.

> >

> > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of

calcutta

> > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a

bit

> > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under

Muhurta

> > already and many people practise it.

> >

> > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

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Dear Sourav ji,

after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion that i

must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys to get

in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont support my

views.

regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it.

each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its results,

my views are also diff.

it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are already

in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt my

logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view..

thanks and regards for replying to my mail

tarun

Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and

new chart (computed with local time at new location at the instant

of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it may

be due to error in software or precision error or some other reason.

If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location is

changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if it

changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the new

one. I propose the following reason:

Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. He

grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to

some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to apply

it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and recomputes

a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because,

say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth chart. He

does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able to

wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be so.

Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from

Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the

longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will

move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which

implies that Original Chart also contained the information that

another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. But

we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. There

is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example.

One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due to

(a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved

nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma (Ref.

Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same as

in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in moving

towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point it is

invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' area

and arguments can be made to either side.

Best regards,

Sourav

==================================================================

, Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Bharat ji,

>

> I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

>

> now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one

knows

> ......i m sure..

>

> what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not

only

> for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to

move to

> distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> *

>

> Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October

20th,

> 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th,

1999

> and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we

should

> change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you

sanction

> this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you.

>

> *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing

time..but

> the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of

birth

> occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar

position

> not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u

see

> about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if

u take

> the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in

the

> same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna*

degree for

> an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what

this

> means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered

for an

> event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna

positions

> of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in

> calcutta.at the same time.

>

> in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing.

>

> did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat

etcc...

>

> Thanks

>

> Tarun...

>

>

>

> Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

>

> > Namaskaar Tarun

> >

> > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed

that I

> > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks

and

come

> > to the point.

> >

> > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old

days. It

> > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one

is

not

> > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is

evolving. It

> > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology

today

than

> > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have

been

> > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising

that

your

> > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have

put across.

> >

> > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur

to

> > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to

Kashmir

> > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to

Takshashila

in 300

> > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha

is

in

> > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two

distances

are

> > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> >

> > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships,

etc.

why

> > would the change of birth place be made. An event called

birth

> > happened at a particular place and that place should be

considered to

> > make the horoscope.

> >

> > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

October

> > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on

say,

Feb

> > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In

your

view,

> > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta.

If

you

> > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

discuss with

> > you.

> >

> > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of

calcutta

> > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are

being a

bit

> > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under

Muhurta

> > already and many people practise it.

> >

> > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of use

and not logic.

 

Best regards,

 

Sourav

===================================================================

, Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote:

> Dear Sourav ji,

>

> after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion

that i

> must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys to

get

> in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont

support my

> views.

>

> regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it.

>

> each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its

results,

> my views are also diff.

>

> it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are

already

> in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt

my

> logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view..

>

> thanks and regards for replying to my mail

>

> tarun

>

> Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Tarun,

> > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and

> > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the

instant

> > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it

may

> > be due to error in software or precision error or some other

reason.

> > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location

is

> > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if

it

> > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the

new

> > one. I propose the following reason:

> >

> > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A.

He

> > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to

> > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to

apply

> > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and

recomputes

> > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because,

> > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth

chart. He

> > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able

to

> > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be

so.

> >

> > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from

> > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the

> > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will

> > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which

> > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that

> > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span.

But

> > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span.

There

> > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example.

> >

> > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due

to

> > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved

> > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma

(Ref.

> > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same

as

> > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in

moving

> > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point

it is

> > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray'

area

> > and arguments can be made to either side.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

==================================================================

> >

> > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > >

> > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

> > >

> > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no

one

> > knows

> > > ......i m sure..

> > >

> > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human

not

> > only

> > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to

> > move to

> > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> > > *

> > >

> > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

October

> > 20th,

> > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb

14th,

> > 1999

> > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we

> > should

> > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you

> > sanction

> > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with

you.

> > >

> > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing

> > time..but

> > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event

of

> > birth

> > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar

> > position

> > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u

> > see

> > > about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like

if

> > u take

> > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check

in

> > the

> > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna*

> > degree for

> > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in

degrees ....what

> > this

> > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be

considered

> > for an

> > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna

> > positions

> > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in

> > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > >

> > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing.

> > >

> > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for

muhurat

> > etcc...

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Tarun...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > >

> > > > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed

> > that I

> > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks

and

> > come

> > > > to the point.

> > > >

> > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old

> > days. It

> > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one

is

> > not

> > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is

> > evolving. It

> > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology

today

> > than

> > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have

been

> > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising

that

> > your

> > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have

> > put across.

> > > >

> > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur

to

> > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to

> > Kashmir

> > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to

Takshashila

> > in 300

> > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference

Magadha is

> > in

> > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two

distances

> > are

> > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > >

> > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships,

etc.

> > why

> > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called

birth

> > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be

> > considered to

> > > > make the horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

> > October

> > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on

say,

> > Feb

> > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In

your

> > view,

> > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to

Calcutta. If

> > you

> > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

> > discuss with

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of

> > calcutta

> > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are

being a

> > bit

> > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under

> > Muhurta

> > > > already and many people practise it.

> > > >

> > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Bharat

> > > >

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Sourav ji ,

 

till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few

months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the

help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough time

to think over the logic and try to use it..

 

sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so that i

can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi

Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is

possible.

 

Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me

 

did u read my views over rahu and ketu..

 

kindly post me your comments on the same too

 

thanks

 

tarun.

 

, "Sourav Chowdhury"

<souravc108> wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Dear Tarun,

> Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of

use

> and not logic.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sourav

> ===================================================================

> , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Sourav ji,

> >

> > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion

> that i

> > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys

to

> get

> > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont

> support my

> > views.

> >

> > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it.

> >

> > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its

> results,

> > my views are also diff.

> >

> > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are

> already

> > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt

> my

> > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view..

> >

> > thanks and regards for replying to my mail

> >

> > tarun

> >

> > Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

> >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Tarun,

> > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart

and

> > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the

> instant

> > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists,

it

> may

> > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other

> reason.

> > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if

location

> is

> > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if

> it

> > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not

the

> new

> > > one. I propose the following reason:

> > >

> > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place

A.

> He

> > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due

to

> > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to

> apply

> > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and

> recomputes

> > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because,

> > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth

> chart. He

> > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be

able

> to

> > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't

be

> so.

> > >

> > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from

> > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the

> > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will

> > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which

> > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that

> > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span.

> But

> > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span.

> There

> > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example.

> > >

> > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated

due

> to

> > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved

> > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma

> (Ref.

> > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding

same

> as

> > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in

> moving

> > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point

> it is

> > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray'

> area

> > > and arguments can be made to either side.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

> ==================================================================

> > >

> > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

> wrote:

> > > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > > >

> > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

> > > >

> > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was

discovered...no

> one

> > > knows

> > > > ......i m sure..

> > > >

> > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general

human

> not

> > > only

> > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to

> > > move to

> > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> > > > *

> > > >

> > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

> October

> > > 20th,

> > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb

> 14th,

> > > 1999

> > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we

> > > should

> > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you

> > > sanction

> > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with

> you.

> > > >

> > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing

> > > time..but

> > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event

> of

> > > birth

> > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar

> > > position

> > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if

u

> > > see

> > > > about the degree position of planets at the same

time ....like

> if

> > > u take

> > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check

> in

> > > the

> > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna*

> > > degree for

> > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in

> degrees ....what

> > > this

> > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be

> considered

> > > for an

> > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna

> > > positions

> > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised

in

> > > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > > >

> > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the

thing.

> > > >

> > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for

> muhurat

> > > etcc...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Tarun...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have

assumed

> > > that I

> > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks

> and

> > > come

> > > > > to the point.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of

old

> > > days. It

> > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one

> is

> > > not

> > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is

> > > evolving. It

> > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology

> today

> > > than

> > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have

> been

> > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising

> that

> > > your

> > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may

have

> > > put across.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur

> to

> > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to

> > > Kashmir

> > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to

> Takshashila

> > > in 300

> > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference

> Magadha is

> > > in

> > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two

> distances

> > > are

> > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > > >

> > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships,

> etc.

> > > why

> > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called

> birth

> > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be

> > > considered to

> > > > > make the horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

> > > October

> > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on

> say,

> > > Feb

> > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In

> your

> > > view,

> > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to

> Calcutta. If

> > > you

> > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

> > > discuss with

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time

of

> > > calcutta

> > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are

> being a

> > > bit

> > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under

> > > Muhurta

> > > > > already and many people practise it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Bharat

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Tarun,

namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you

cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty

of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent

astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or

wrong ?

 

Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which

help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research

and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a

burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you

will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are

approaching it.

 

If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to

become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to

raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological

community as a whole.

 

I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you

reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put

your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating

ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and

go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning.

Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach.

 

I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of

it is already known.

 

Best regards,

 

Sourav

====================================================================

 

, "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Sourav ji ,

>

> till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few

> months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the

> help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough

time

> to think over the logic and try to use it..

>

> sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so

that i

> can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi

> Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is

> possible.

>

> Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me

>

> did u read my views over rahu and ketu..

>

> kindly post me your comments on the same too

>

> thanks

>

> tarun.

>

> , "Sourav Chowdhury"

> <souravc108> wrote:

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Tarun,

> > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of

> use

> > and not logic.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

===================================================================

> > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> > > Dear Sourav ji,

> > >

> > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion

> > that i

> > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even

trys

> to

> > get

> > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont

> > support my

> > > views.

> > >

> > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change

it.

> > >

> > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its

> > results,

> > > my views are also diff.

> > >

> > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we

are

> > already

> > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure

abt

> > my

> > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their

view..

> > >

> > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail

> > >

> > > tarun

> > >

> > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

> > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth

chart

> and

> > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the

> > instant

> > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location)

exists,

> it

> > may

> > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other

> > reason.

> > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if

> location

> > is

> > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even

if

> > it

> > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not

> the

> > new

> > > > one. I propose the following reason:

> > > >

> > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in

place

> A.

> > He

> > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left

due

> to

> > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries

to

> > apply

> > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and

> > recomputes

> > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity,

because,

> > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth

> > chart. He

> > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be

> able

> > to

> > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It

can't

> be

> > so.

> > > >

> > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from

> > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the

> > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he

will

> > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which

> > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information

that

> > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life

span.

> > But

> > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span.

> > There

> > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an

example.

> > > >

> > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated

> due

> > to

> > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has

achieved

> > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of

karma

> > (Ref.

> > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding

> same

> > as

> > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person

in

> > moving

> > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the

point

> > it is

> > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is

a 'gray'

> > area

> > > > and arguments can be made to either side.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

==================================================================

> > > >

> > > > , Tarun

<tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

> > > > >

> > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was

> discovered...no

> > one

> > > > knows

> > > > > ......i m sure..

> > > > >

> > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general

> human

> > not

> > > > only

> > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were

able to

> > > > move to

> > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

> > October

> > > > 20th,

> > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say,

Feb

> > 14th,

> > > > 1999

> > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view,

we

> > > > should

> > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you

> > > > sanction

> > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss

with

> > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the

landing

> > > > time..but

> > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the

event

> > of

> > > > birth

> > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per

solar

> > > > position

> > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because

if

> u

> > > > see

> > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same

> time ....like

> > if

> > > > u take

> > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly

check

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the

*lagna*

> > > > degree for

> > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in

> > degrees ....what

> > > > this

> > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be

> > considered

> > > > for an

> > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and

lagna

> > > > positions

> > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if*

organised

> in

> > > > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > > > >

> > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the

> thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for

> > muhurat

> > > > etcc...

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have

> assumed

> > > > that I

> > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such

remarks

> > and

> > > > come

> > > > > > to the point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books

of

> old

> > > > days. It

> > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then

one

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is

> > > > evolving. It

> > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology

> > today

> > > > than

> > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles

have

> > been

> > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is

surprising

> > that

> > > > your

> > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may

> have

> > > > put across.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from

Jodhpur

> > to

> > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from

Ernakulum to

> > > > Kashmir

> > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to

> > Takshashila

> > > > in 300

> > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference

> > Magadha is

> > > > in

> > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two

> > distances

> > > > are

> > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes,

ships,

> > etc.

> > > > why

> > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called

> > birth

> > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be

> > > > considered to

> > > > > > make the horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on

> > > > October

> > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta

on

> > say,

> > > > Feb

> > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs.

In

> > your

> > > > view,

> > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to

> > Calcutta. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

> > > > discuss with

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing

time

> of

> > > > calcutta

> > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are

> > being a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered

under

> > > > Muhurta

> > > > > > already and many people practise it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Sourav ji,

how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the

story....how the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first

theory of chemical bonding came in existance....if u move in history u

can find the answers of the guidelines u suggested me..

as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a literature...as

i think u consider it.

and its a well known fact that science is discovered by experiments and

for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In that

i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was to

prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear ways...

Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also one of

them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r

thinking it in a astrologically way.

Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a

scientific way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa

yoga...be scientific in your approach

thanks

tarun

Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Tarun,

namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you

cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty

of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent

astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or

wrong ?

Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which

help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research

and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a

burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you

will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are

approaching it.

If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to

become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to

raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological

community as a whole.

I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you

reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put

your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating

ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and

go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning.

Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach.

I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of

it is already known.

Best regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

, "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Sourav ji ,

>

> till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few

> months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the

> help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough

time

> to think over the logic and try to use it..

>

> sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so

that i

> can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi

> Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is

> possible.

>

> Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me

>

> did u read my views over rahu and ketu..

>

> kindly post me your comments on the same too

>

> thanks

>

> tarun.

>

> , "Sourav Chowdhury"

> <souravc108> wrote:

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Tarun,

> > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof

of

> use

> > and not logic.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

===================================================================

> > , Tarun

<tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> > > Dear Sourav ji,

> > >

> > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the

conclusion

> > that i

> > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or

even

trys

> to

> > get

> > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u

dont

> > support my

> > > views.

> > >

> > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can

change

it.

> > >

> > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis

and its

> > results,

> > > my views are also diff.

> > >

> > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when

we

are

> > already

> > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m

sure

abt

> > my

> > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its

their

view..

> > >

> > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail

> > >

> > > tarun

> > >

> > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

> > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original

birth

chart

> and

> > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location

at the

> > instant

> > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new

location)

exists,

> it

> > may

> > > > be due to error in software or precision error or

some other

> > reason.

> > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't

change if

> location

> > is

> > > > changed long with time, even if your method is

applied. Even

if

> > it

> > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still

valid and not

> the

> > new

> > > > one. I propose the following reason:

> > > >

> > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is

born in

place

> A.

> > He

> > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little

aayu left

due

> to

> > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory,

and tries

to

> > apply

> > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he

moves and

> > recomputes

> > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher

longivity,

because,

> > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from

original birth

> > chart. He

> > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he

really be

> able

> > to

> > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life

? It

can't

> be

> > so.

> > > >

> > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart

different from

> > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true

that the

> > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information

that he

will

> > > > move from A to B will be present in the original

chart, which

> > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the

information

that

> > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his

life

span.

> > But

> > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low

life span.

> > There

> > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just

an

example.

> > > >

> > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be

invalidated

> due

> > to

> > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native

has

achieved

> > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the

seeds of

karma

> > (Ref.

> > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my

understanding

> same

> > as

> > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the

person

in

> > moving

> > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart

till the

point

> > it is

> > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this

is

a 'gray'

> > area

> > > > and arguments can be made to either side.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

==================================================================

> > > >

> > > > , Tarun

<tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to

astrology,

> > > > >

> > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was

> discovered...no

> > one

> > > > knows

> > > > > ......i m sure..

> > > > >

> > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for

a general

> human

> > not

> > > > only

> > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis

etcc..etc...who were

able to

> > > > move to

> > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS

Local time on

> > October

> > > > 20th,

> > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to

Calcutta on say,

Feb

> > 14th,

> > > > 1999

> > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs.

In your view,

we

> > > > should

> > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to

Calcutta. If you

> > > > sanction

> > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more

to discuss

with

> > you.

> > > > >

> > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that

nor the

landing

> > > > time..but

> > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means

when the

event

> > of

> > > > birth

> > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in

calcutta as per

solar

> > > > position

> > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be

considered because

if

> u

> > > > see

> > > > > about the degree position of planets at the

same

> time ....like

> > if

> > > > u take

> > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software

then kindly

check

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and

check the

*lagna*

> > > > degree for

> > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff

in

> > degrees ....what

> > > > this

> > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions

should be

> > considered

> > > > for an

> > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative

planetry and

lagna

> > > > positions

> > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event

*if*

organised

> in

> > > > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > > > >

> > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in

viewing the

> thing.

> > > > >

> > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is

considered for

> > muhurat

> > > > etcc...

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Tarun...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You do not know anything about my

background and have

> assumed

> > > > that I

> > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will

ignore such

remarks

> > and

> > > > come

> > > > > > to the point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing

from the books

of

> old

> > > > days. It

> > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows

older books then

one

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption

that science is

> > > > evolving. It

> > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better

about Astrology

> > today

> > > > than

> > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new

principles

have

> > been

> > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these

years. It is

surprising

> > that

> > > > your

> > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific

thought that you may

> have

> > > > put across.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not

travel from

Jodhpur

> > to

> > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara

travelled from

Ernakulum to

> > > > Kashmir

> > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from

Magadha to

> > Takshashila

> > > > in 300

> > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For

your reference

> > Magadha is

> > > > in

> > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of

Islamabad. The two

> > distances

> > > > are

> > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock

carts, planes,

ships,

> > etc.

> > > > why

> > > > > > would the change of birth place be made.

An event called

> > birth

> > > > > > happened at a particular place and that

place should be

> > > > considered to

> > > > > > make the horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30

HRS Local time on

> > > > October

> > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from

Jodhpur to Calcutta

on

> > say,

> > > > Feb

> > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane

at 14:40 hrs.

In

> > your

> > > > view,

> > > > > > we should change his place of birth from

Jodhpur to

> > Calcutta. If

> > > > you

> > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have

nothing more to

> > > > discuss with

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of

the landing

time

> of

> > > > calcutta

> > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then

atleast you are

> > being a

> > > > bit

> > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that

it is covered

under

> > > > Muhurta

> > > > > > already and many people practise it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view

of Astrology".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar. One doesnt have to work in NASA or ISRO to prove

astrology is a science. You can too. I will not argue with you. One

day you will argue with yourself and that day knowledge will dawn.

 

Best regards and Happy Navratri,

 

Sourav

====================================================================

 

 

, Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote:

> Dear Sourav ji,

>

> how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the

story....how

> the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first theory of

chemical

> bonding came in existance....if u move in history u can find the

answers

> of the guidelines u suggested me..

>

> as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a

literature...as

> i think u consider it.

>

> and its a well known fact that science is discovered by

experiments and

> for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In

that

> i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was

to

> prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear

ways...

> Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also

one of

> them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r

thinking

> it in a astrologically way.

>

> Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a

scientific

> way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa yoga...be

> scientific in your approach

>

> thanks

>

> tarun

>

>

>

> Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Tarun,

> > namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that

you

> > cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are

plenty

> > of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent

> > astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them

right or

> > wrong ?

> >

> > Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions

which

> > help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do

research

> > and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is

like a

> > burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge

you

> > will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are

> > approaching it.

> >

> > If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to

> > become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to

> > raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological

> > community as a whole.

> >

> > I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if

you

> > reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put

> > your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely

floating

> > ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea

and

> > go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up

learning.

> > Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach.

> >

> > I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all

of

> > it is already known.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

====================================================================

> >

> > , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Sourav ji ,

> > >

> > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes

few

> > > months or years to get the proof...which not possible without

the

> > > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough

> > time

> > > to think over the logic and try to use it..

> > >

> > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so

> > that i

> > > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi

> > > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me

> > >

> > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu..

> > >

> > > kindly post me your comments on the same too

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > tarun.

> > >

> > > , "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > <souravc108> wrote:

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is

proof of

> > > use

> > > > and not logic.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

===================================================================

> > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sourav ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the

conclusion

> > > > that i

> > > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even

> > trys

> > > to

> > > > get

> > > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont

> > > > support my

> > > > > views.

> > > > >

> > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can

change

> > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and

its

> > > > results,

> > > > > my views are also diff.

> > > > >

> > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we

> > are

> > > > already

> > > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m

sure

> > abt

> > > > my

> > > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their

> > view..

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth

> > chart

> > > and

> > > > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at

the

> > > > instant

> > > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location)

> > exists,

> > > it

> > > > may

> > > > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some

other

> > > > reason.

> > > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if

> > > location

> > > > is

> > > > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied.

Even

> > if

> > > > it

> > > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and

not

> > > the

> > > > new

> > > > > > one. I propose the following reason:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in

> > place

> > > A.

> > > > He

> > > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu

left

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and

tries

> > to

> > > > apply

> > > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and

> > > > recomputes

> > > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity,

> > because,

> > > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original

birth

> > > > chart. He

> > > > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really

be

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It

> > can't

> > > be

> > > > so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different

from

> > > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that

the

> > > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that

he

> > will

> > > > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart,

which

> > > > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the

information

> > that

> > > > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life

> > span.

> > > > But

> > > > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life

span.

> > > > There

> > > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an

> > example.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be

invalidated

> > > due

> > > > to

> > > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has

> > achieved

> > > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of

> > karma

> > > > (Ref.

> > > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my

understanding

> > > same

> > > > as

> > > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the

person

> > in

> > > > moving

> > > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the

> > point

> > > > it is

> > > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is

> > a 'gray'

> > > > area

> > > > > > and arguments can be made to either side.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

==================================================================

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Tarun

> > <tarun.virgo@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was

> > > discovered...no

> > > > one

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > ......i m sure..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a

general

> > > human

> > > > not

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were

> > able to

> > > > > > move to

> > > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power.

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time

on

> > > > October

> > > > > > 20th,

> > > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on

say,

> > Feb

> > > > 14th,

> > > > > > 1999

> > > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your

view,

> > we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If

you

> > > > > > sanction

> > > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to

discuss

> > with

> > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the

> > landing

> > > > > > time..but

> > > > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the

> > event

> > > > of

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as

per

> > solar

> > > > > > position

> > > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered

because

> > if

> > > u

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same

> > > time ....like

> > > > if

> > > > > > u take

> > > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly

> > check

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the

> > *lagna*

> > > > > > degree for

> > > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in

> > > > degrees ....what

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be

> > > > considered

> > > > > > for an

> > > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and

> > lagna

> > > > > > positions

> > > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if*

> > organised

> > > in

> > > > > > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing

the

> > > thing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail

> > > > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered

for

> > > > muhurat

> > > > > > etcc...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tarun...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have

> > > assumed

> > > > > > that I

> > > > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such

> > remarks

> > > > and

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > to the point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the

books

> > of

> > > old

> > > > > > days. It

> > > > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books

then

> > one

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science

is

> > > > > > evolving. It

> > > > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about

Astrology

> > > > today

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is

> > surprising

> > > > that

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you

may

> > > have

> > > > > > put across.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from

> > Jodhpur

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from

> > Ernakulum to

> > > > > > Kashmir

> > > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to

> > > > Takshashila

> > > > > > in 300

> > > > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference

> > > > Magadha is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two

> > > > distances

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes,

> > ships,

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event

called

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should

be

> > > > > > considered to

> > > > > > > > make the horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local

time on

> > > > > > October

> > > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to

Calcutta

> > on

> > > > say,

> > > > > > Feb

> > > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40

hrs.

> > In

> > > > your

> > > > > > view,

> > > > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to

> > > > Calcutta. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing

more to

> > > > > > discuss with

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing

> > time

> > > of

> > > > > > calcutta

> > > > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you

are

> > > > being a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is

covered

> > under

> > > > > > Muhurta

> > > > > > > > already and many people practise it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of

Astrology".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that

> > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading

> > today

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> > * Visit your group "

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> >

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Dear Sourav ji,

Happy navratri you too,

but if i say the same to you..then.......you will be proved wrong....so

i will please you that you should never prove anyone wrong unless he

can prove the same...yes i dont have any facilities to prove myself

right but that doesnt mean that i m wrong. I will say one day some big

astrologer will keep my idea in front of u and then u will follow the

same..i m sure abt this..

and what abt Rahu and Ketu ..i m stil awaiting for the same

Regards

Tarun..

Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Tarun,

Namaskar. One doesnt have to work in NASA or ISRO to prove

astrology is a science. You can too. I will not argue with you. One

day you will argue with yourself and that day knowledge will dawn.

Best regards and Happy Navratri,

Sourav

====================================================================

, Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...>

wrote:

> Dear Sourav ji,

>

> how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the

story....how

> the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first theory of

chemical

> bonding came in existance....if u move in history u can find the

answers

> of the guidelines u suggested me..

>

> as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a

literature...as

> i think u consider it.

>

> and its a well known fact that science is discovered by

experiments and

> for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In

that

> i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was

to

> prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear

ways...

> Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also

one of

> them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r

thinking

> it in a astrologically way.

>

> Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a

scientific

> way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa yoga...be

> scientific in your approach

>

> thanks

>

> tarun

>

>

>

> Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Tarun,

> > namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas

that

you

> > cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are

plenty

> > of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent

> > astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them

right or

> > wrong ?

> >

> > Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of

intuitions

which

> > help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do

research

> > and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is

like a

> > burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more

knowledge

you

> > will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are

> > approaching it.

> >

> > If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try

to

> > become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then

try to

> > raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological

> > community as a whole.

> >

> > I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad

if

you

> > reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you

put

> > your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely

floating

> > ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the

idea

and

> > go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up

learning.

> > Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach.

> >

> > I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that

all

of

> > it is already known.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

====================================================================

> >

> > , "Tarun"

<tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Sourav ji ,

> > >

> > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it

takes

few

> > > months or years to get the proof...which not possible

without

the

> > > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has

enough

> > time

> > > to think over the logic and try to use it..

> > >

> > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in

NASA so

> > that i

> > > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even

whatever Rishi

> > > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but

everything is

> > > possible.

> > >

> > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me

> > >

> > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu..

> > >

> > > kindly post me your comments on the same too

> > >

> > > thanks

> > >

> > > tarun.

> > >

> > > , "Sourav Chowdhury"

> > > <souravc108> wrote:

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any

theory is

proof of

> > > use

> > > > and not logic.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> >

===================================================================

> > > > , Tarun

<tarun.virgo@g...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sourav ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on

to the

conclusion

> > > > that i

> > > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept

it or even

> > trys

> > > to

> > > > get

> > > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but

finally u dont

> > > > support my

> > > > > views.

> > > > >

> > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma

no one can

change

> > it.

> > > > >

> > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the

raashis and

its

> > > > results,

> > > > > my views are also diff.

> > > > >

> > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to

understand when we

> > are

> > > > already

> > > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point

because i m

sure

> > abt

> > > > my

> > > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or

not its their

> > view..

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun

> > > > >

> > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Tarun,

> > > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in

original birth

> > chart

> > > and

> > > > > > new chart (computed with local time at

new location at

the

> > > > instant

> > > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of

new location)

> > exists,

> > > it

> > > > may

> > > > > > be due to error in software or precision

error or some

other

> > > > reason.

> > > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually

doesn't change if

> > > location

> > > > is

> > > > > > changed long with time, even if your

method is applied.

Even

> > if

> > > > it

> > > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is

still valid and

not

> > > the

> > > > new

> > > > > > one. I propose the following reason:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer

(traditional) is born in

> > place

> > > A.

> > > > He

> > > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very

little aayu

left

> > due

> > > to

> > > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your

theory, and

tries

> > to

> > > > apply

> > > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that

if he moves and

> > > > recomputes

> > > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a

higher longivity,

> > because,

> > > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different

from original

birth

> > > > chart. He

> > > > > > does that and changes his residence to B.

Will he really

be

> > > able

> > > > to

> > > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a

longer life ? It

> > can't

> > > be

> > > > so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new

chart different

from

> > > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it

can be true that

the

> > > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the

information that

he

> > will

> > > > > > move from A to B will be present in the

original chart,

which

> > > > > > implies that Original Chart also

contained the

information

> > that

> > > > > > another new chart will replace it and

increase his life

> > span.

> > > > But

> > > > > > we already know that Original Chart

predicted low life

span.

> > > > There

> > > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis.

This is just an

> > example.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may

possibily be

invalidated

> > > due

> > > > to

> > > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if

the native has

> > achieved

> > > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt

all the seeds of

> > karma

> > > > (Ref.

> > > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also,

to my

understanding

> > > same

> > > > as

> > > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the

fact that the

person

> > in

> > > > moving

> > > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the

chart till the

> > point

> > > > it is

> > > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding.

But this is

> > a 'gray'

> > > > area

> > > > > > and arguments can be made to either side.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sourav

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Tarun

> > <tarun.virgo@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Bharat ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look

to astrology,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when

astrology was

> > > discovered...no

> > > > one

> > > > > > knows

> > > > > > > ......i m sure..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the

answer is for a

general

> > > human

> > > > not

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis

etcc..etc...who were

> > able to

> > > > > > move to

> > > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge

and power.

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at

11:30 HRS Local time

on

> > > > October

> > > > > > 20th,

> > > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur

to Calcutta on

say,

> > Feb

> > > > 14th,

> > > > > > 1999

> > > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at

14:40 hrs. In your

view,

> > we

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > change his place of birth from

Jodhpur to Calcutta. If

you

> > > > > > sanction

> > > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have

nothing more to

discuss

> > with

> > > > you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my

view is that nor the

> > landing

> > > > > > time..but

> > > > > > > the local birth time is to be

considered means when the

> > event

> > > > of

> > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the

time in calcutta as

per

> > solar

> > > > > > position

> > > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should

be considered

because

> > if

> > > u

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > about the degree position of planets

at the same

> > > time ....like

> > > > if

> > > > > > u take

> > > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora

software then kindly

> > check

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current

time and check the

> > *lagna*

> > > > > > degree for

> > > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will

find the diff in

> > > > degrees ....what

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > means ...in my view it means these

positions should be

> > > > considered

> > > > > > for an

> > > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the

relative planetry and

> > lagna

> > > > > > positions

> > > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for

an event *if*

> > organised

> > > in

> > > > > > > calcutta.at the same time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be

neutral in viewing

the

> > > thing.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my

previous mail

> > > > > > > i donot consider as landing time

which is considered

for

> > > > muhurat

> > > > > > etcc...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tarun...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You do not know anything about

my background and have

> > > assumed

> > > > > > that I

> > > > > > > > am not scientific, etc.

However, I will ignore such

> > remarks

> > > > and

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > to the point.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am

writing from the

books

> > of

> > > old

> > > > > > days. It

> > > > > > > > is your assumption that if one

follows older books

then

> > one

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > being scientific. It is your

assumption that science

is

> > > > > > evolving. It

> > > > > > > > is your assumption that man

knows better about

Astrology

> > > > today

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > before. It is your assumption

that no new principles

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all

these years. It is

> > surprising

> > > > that

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any

scientific thought that you

may

> > > have

> > > > > > put across.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they

did not travel from

> > Jodhpur

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi

Sankara travelled from

> > Ernakulum to

> > > > > > Kashmir

> > > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya

travalled from Magadha to

> > > > Takshashila

> > > > > > in 300

> > > > > > > > BC, and then, back to

Patliputra. For your reference

> > > > Magadha is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north

of Islamabad. The two

> > > > distances

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by

bullock carts, planes,

> > ships,

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > would the change of birth place

be made. An event

called

> > > > birth

> > > > > > > > happened at a particular place

and that place should

be

> > > > > > considered to

> > > > > > > > make the horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur

at 11:30 HRS Local

time on

> > > > > > October

> > > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels

from Jodhpur to

Calcutta

> > on

> > > > say,

> > > > > > Feb

> > > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in

calcutta by plane at 14:40

hrs.

> > In

> > > > your

> > > > > > view,

> > > > > > > > we should change his place of

birth from Jodhpur to

> > > > Calcutta. If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead

and I have nothing

more to

> > > > > > discuss with

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you say that we should make

a chart of the landing

> > time

> > > of

> > > > > > calcutta

> > > > > > > > or the beginning time from

Jodhpur, then atleast you

are

> > > > being a

> > > > > > bit

> > > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am

saying is that it is

covered

> > under

> > > > > > Muhurta

> > > > > > > > already and many people

practise it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Below is my article on

"Scientific view of

Astrology".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > > > > Bharat

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said

that

> > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading

> > today

> >

> >

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Dear Vistiji,

The way you have explained us about the direction and distance for successful

profession, can you please enlighten us on which house and his lord will give

direction & distance for successful study? (especially PhD which I am interested

in, Is it the 9th house from Moon?)

 

 

 

Thanks,

Rakesh

 

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RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:43:01 +0200

 

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Agastya, Namaskar

>

> Please do justice to the subject by explaining this in detail with examples

> please. I assume you can write a convincing article on the same for the

> Jyotish Digest.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

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>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi

> 30 September 2005 05:46

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

>

>

>

> Dear Visti,

>

>

>

> Namaste!

>

>

>

> It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind

> AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument.

>

>

> []On

> Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PM

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western

> astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the

> chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to.

>

> Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts

> with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain

> karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which

> indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to

> change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name,

> parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change

> of place. My experience tells me that I don't change my sex when I cross

> timezones, so this idea is unacceptible.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>

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>

> ***

>

>

> _____

>

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 29 September 2005 04:09

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

>

>

>

> Dear Visti ji

>

> Good morning,

> thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.

> But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city

> within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..

>

> like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be

> affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location

> particularly on the planet earth.

>

> even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my

> timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree

> is changed. in the chart.

>

> do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune

>

> thanks

> tarun agarwal

>

> Visti Larsen wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Tarun, Namaskar

>

> I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions.

>

> No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn't mean

> that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move

> to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The

> movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate

> moving not far, i.e. within the town.

>

> Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity.

>

> So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then

> see which sign it is in to determine the distance.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

>

> _____

>

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Tarun

> 28 September 2005 05:55

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location.....

>

>

>

> Dear Visti ji,

>

> namaskar..

>

> sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in

> Calcutta....

> the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if

> someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but

> it is in the same time zone..

>

> as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on

> timezone.

> i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern

> direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt

> gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to

> calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...

> as he can earn in nearby city..

>

> do this makes a diff..

>

> kindly guide further..

>

> thanks

> tarun.

>

>

>

>

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>

>

>

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