Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Tarun 28 September 2005 05:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Dear Visti ji Good morning, thanks for letting me the basic abt distances. But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope.. like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth. even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart. do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune thanks tarun agarwal Visti Larsen wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 28 September 2005 05:55 To: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** color:windowtext"> [] On Behalf Of Tarun 29 September 2005 04:09 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji Good morning, thanks for letting me the basic abt distances. But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope.. like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth. even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart. do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune thanks tarun agarwal Visti Larsen wrote: color:#FF0080"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 28 September 2005 05:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear Visti ji, Thanks for your mail, Atleast some astrologers did that ...whoever they are ..vedic or western doesnt matter. sir i dont want to argue on this because you are very senior to me and high knowlegable than me in astrology. sir that idea came in my mind because planet changed its raashi if we see it in indian timezone..but it didnt if we see it in canadian timezone....the person will be effected lately by some hours by the changed planet. thanks and regards tarun Visti Larsen wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 29 September 2005 04:09 To: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji Good morning, thanks for letting me the basic abt distances. But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope.. like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth. even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart. do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune thanks tarun agarwal Visti Larsen wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 28 September 2005 05:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Dear Visti, Namaste! It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument. []On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun29 September 2005 04:09To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti jiGood morning,thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth.even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart.do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortunethanks tarun agarwalVisti Larsen wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun28 September 2005 05:55To: Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji,namaskar..sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta....the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone..as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone.i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...as he can earn in nearby city..do this makes a diff..kindly guide further..thankstarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Agastya, Namaskar Please do justice to the subject by explaining this in detail with examples please. I assume you can write a convincing article on the same for the Jyotish Digest. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** color:windowtext"> [] On Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi 30 September 2005 05:46 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti, Namaste! It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument. margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> -----Original Message----- []On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** color:windowtext"> [] On Behalf Of Tarun 29 September 2005 04:09 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji Good morning, thanks for letting me the basic abt distances. But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope.. like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth. even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart. do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune thanks tarun agarwal Visti Larsen wrote: color:#FF0080"> ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 28 September 2005 05:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dear Visti, pranams. Thank you for the invitation. I would love to but at the present, time is not a comodity I have in excess. Will reconsider when things settle down and I can do so in a calm state. In the mean time you could do some research of your own on the subject try googling AstroCartoGraphy and look at relevant articles. Best wishes A []On Behalf Of Visti LarsenFriday, September 30, 2005 2:43 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Agastya, Namaskar Please do justice to the subject by explaining this in detail with examples please. I assume you can write a convincing article on the same for the Jyotish Digest. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi30 September 2005 05:46To: Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti, Namaste! It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument. []On Behalf Of Visti LarsenThursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change of place. My experience tells me that I don’t change my sex when I cross timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun29 September 2005 04:09To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti jiGood morning,thanks for letting me the basic abt distances.But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope..like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location particularly on the planet earth.even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree is changed. in the chart.do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortunethanks tarun agarwalVisti Larsen wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn’t mean that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate moving not far, i.e. within the town. Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then see which sign it is in to determine the distance. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun28 September 2005 05:55To: Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Dear Visti ji,namaskar..sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta....the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone..as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone.i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more...as he can earn in nearby city..do this makes a diff..kindly guide further..thankstarun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the root cannot be changed. What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that root horoscope of unaltered birth place. I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it was directed towards Sri Visti. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Dear Bharat ji, namaskar, thanks for your mail. Before we go on the discussion we must took in consideration that how planet effect us....means what is the thing by which they are effecting us. As in somebooks on Astronomy what i read is that the planet are bounded by mutual gravitaional force.....i.e...they are effecting the person by its geographical location on earth. If a person moves to moon his destiny will changed...and this is a damn truth....and for this we have to study astrology as a science not just as what Varahmihira said or what shri BV raman said or lahiri or even shri parashara said. We have to see what Astronomy says...and then what astrology says ...interlinking in them can lead us to see this scared knowledge as a Science. Your answer should have a reply saying that the astrology chart is made as per local birth time taking timezone as default and correction in it as per local sunrise.. please dont mind if u feel my words as harsh or rude. Thanks and Best Regards Tarun Agarwal Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: Namaskaar Sri Tarun The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the root cannot be changed. What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that root horoscope of unaltered birth place. I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it was directed towards Sri Visti. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Visit your group "" on the web. To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Your thinking is very correct. Let us apply a simple principle. Treat birth as an event caused by certain natural forces. That event is recorded at a particular time and place. Now, this event can cause further events (as in a natural progression of forces). Therefore, it is important to take the Birth place and not the current place for making the horoscope (and ofcourse the horoscope is made using the Local time - we do that calculation, don't we? This is assumed to be understood by me) The event of change of residence is also dependent upon the event of birth and the forces acting that time. In any case, you cannot change the birth chart by saying that I have changed my residence so my birth chart should change too. In making predictions, you can check from the horoscope which directions are good for a particular house (let's say marriage). Then, check with the querent whether or not that person has looked for a marriage partner in the given direction. What you can do is to make a chart of your entry in the house or commencement of journey in a particular direction. This comes under Muhurta and you can apply its principles. However, we have prasna astrology wherein you can take the place of residence and can cast a chart. Lastly, I have not considered any of your words harsh. Each query or misunderstanding or non understanding makes each of us restless. Through asking of questions we gain the knowledge. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/30/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: Dear Bharat ji, namaskar, thanks for your mail. Before we go on the discussion we must took in consideration that how planet effect us....means what is the thing by which they are effecting us. As in somebooks on Astronomy what i read is that the planet are bounded by mutual gravitaional force.....i.e...they are effecting the person by its geographical location on earth. If a person moves to moon his destiny will changed...and this is a damn truth....and for this we have to study astrology as a science not just as what Varahmihira said or what shri BV raman said or lahiri or even shri parashara said. We have to see what Astronomy says...and then what astrology says ...interlinking in them can lead us to see this scared knowledge as a Science. Your answer should have a reply saying that the astrology chart is made as per local birth time taking timezone as default and correction in it as per local sunrise.. please dont mind if u feel my words as harsh or rude. Thanks and Best Regards Tarun Agarwal Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: Namaskaar Sri Tarun The event of birth is recorded at the place of birth and hence, it is not changed. Horoscope will remain the same. One should not attempt to modify the event of birth in any way, as it is the root of futher events in the time,space, causation continuum. That event of birth probably dictated your migration from Jodhpur to Calcutta. Hence the root cannot be changed. What direction is suitable for the native is also known from the that root horoscope of unaltered birth place. I hope my taking liberties of commenting upon the query is okay, as it was directed towards Sri Visti. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 9/28/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: Dear Visti ji, namaskar.. sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in Calcutta.... the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but it is in the same time zone.. as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on timezone. i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... as he can earn in nearby city.. do this makes a diff.. kindly guide further.. thanks tarun. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Visit your group "" on the web. To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Vedic Vedic astrology Vedic astrologers Free vedic astrology Jyotish Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Dear Bharat ji, namaskar, I think that in the old days when the astrology was discovered by our scientists ( rishi munis) i think that we are following the same things as they wrote in the books no new concept is discovered....am i right.. in those days the distance travelled by the person considering the horoscope was most of the travel by cart isntit....they were not to travel across seas or for a distance of 5000 kms even....thats what i m talking abt means jodhpur to calcutta...considering as a big traveling distance... even today if we travel by train it takes 2-3 days to reach there...thus i can say it was a dream in old times to travel so far... so they were not to consider the long distance like today. but if we see thsi in present scenario...what we can say... if u have heard abt global positioning system....GPS...if we change the place we are noticed by the satellite even....which is in space alike a planet...the same way.....if we are migrated to long distance then our position is changed....even if u consider as our horoscope reading or what but its there that ur positon is changed.. thanks... tarun... PS..bharat ji,...try to analyse it being neutrall....to astrology...for a while...and try to analyse it as scientific way...to explore not in a way that u cannot move or think ahead written in books.... Attachment: (application/msword) Theory of astrology.doc [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come to the point. It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put across. It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is in Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth happened at a particular place and that place should be considered to make the horoscope. Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta already and many people practise it. Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". Thanks and Regards Bharat SCIENTIFIC VIEW OF ASTROLOGY The world over Astrology is viewed in a variety of ways. Some people view it as a hidden science and a mystical subject. A few others take Astrology to be a pure science and some believe it to be a mere superstition. The debate between scientists and astrologers regarding the nature of Astrology continues till date unabated. Science for one may be superstition for another. Often it is seen that people blindly follow science without understanding what it actually says and what its limitations are. Such a behavior is born out of blind beliefs and even when the concept is scientific, the individual merely "believes" it to be true without its valid reasons. In other words to reject OR to accept a concept or an idea without knowing its fundamentals is nothing but a mere superstition. I present to you some interesting and thoughtful concepts that will help in understanding Astrology as a subject, its relevance and its limitations. The Basics: Astrology in scientific terms Astrology relates itself to planets and to the two luminaries namely Sun and Moon. In modern science, we know, Sun is a star and is the prime mover and, therefore, secondary sources of energy depend upon its energy. Sun sends in its energy directly to the Earth and, also, as reflected energy from the Moon and other planets. This energy may be light, heat, magnetic, gravitational or any other that may be discovered by Scientists in the coming years. The fact of the matter is, the energy reaching Earth comes from the Sun and other planets both in direct and indirect ways. All events are energy driven. This statement comes from the scientific adage that every effect has a cause and that every happening has a force behind it. In other words, it is safe to understand that energy drives the events. If we were to understand the kind of energy that drives particular events then we have a formidable knowledge in our hands. This is exactly what the ancient Indians attempted. They divided the energy between planets and developed calculations to measure the contribution of energy from different planets. By studying the effects that the energy brings, repeatedly, the ancient Indians were able to correctly assess, what planetary energy meant for human life, natural habitat and our world in general. This gave them a tool to calculate the following: Energy received at a particular time at any place on Earth. The energy received from each planetThe quantum of conflicting and self canceling energy. and likewise Now it became easier to correlate any happening in any individual's life to the planetary system. Astrology is a discovery of natural phenomenon much as discovery of gravity or magnetism is. Astrology & Astronomy The calculation of planetary longitudes and their motion is vital to their placement in astrological charts. Astrology takes the reference as Earth and it measures the movement of planets with reference to earth. Further, it divides the sky into 12 equal parts called signs and 27 equal parts known as constellations. This is to categorize the nature of various parts of our sky through distant stars and constellations. All of the above calculations are nothing but astronomy. It is only when we try to correlate the astronomy with its effects do we bring in additional observational data and call it Astrology. In other words, a rudimentary definition of Astrology, would be – a study of correlation of cosmic forces with life and natural phenomenon. Astrology isn't a set of beliefs and superstitions. It is observation, experimentation and categorization of cause and effects. Both in its study and its application, it resembles pure science. Why Astrology isn't always replicable? Many scientists have a simple query against the astrologers – If astrology is a science then its principles must be replicable? In Science, a discovery is made a natural law if the same phenomenon is replicable given the same conditions. Let us understand this with a small example of rain. Rain cannot happen without clouds. This is the law but this kind of suggests that whenever clouds are present rain occurs. We all know this isn't true. The correct replicable law is that for rain to happen not only the clouds have to be present, but, they have to be so full of moisture that they cannot hold it any longer. This is replicable but not always. Anywhere in the tropical world the clouds cannot hold moisture, then, it rains. In the Tundra regions, however, this law does not hold true. There instead of rain the moisture might fall as snow. So the law of rain is changed again to hold true for some regions. In Astrology, many astrologers are presently engaged in showing replicable results to the world. They are doing commendable work but here we would like to give reasons why astrology and its laws are not always replicable. Astrology measures the energy at any given point of an event and then discusses the likely events that are possible in the future in the space time continuum consequent to this event. Each event itself is a cause to a variety of possibilities. It is, therefore, possible to predict the variety of possibilities but very difficult to predict the exact future event. The events that one faces in life are called destiny. With each event or situation, an individual has a choice: To react to the situation in many different ways. To accept the situation and be proactive.To accept the situation and do nothing. Upon the choice of the individual the possibilities of the future events hang. As individual choices can be many the likelihood of the event happening in the future changes. This change in probability is born out of a simple understanding of science of human nature. The more the humans are non-reactive to their destiny the harder it will be to determine the happenings likely to occur in their future. This may represent only 1% of the total humanity yet it cannot be treated as an exception. Astrology therefore is, for the very scientific reasons it upholds, is not replicable always. Light & Astrology We introduce the word Jyotish to you now. Jyotish means the science of light. Light is another form of energy. Light is known to carry the information of events with it. In other words, light could be one of the main factors that make the time continuum possible. It brings certain continuity between events as it carries vital information from one event and enables its effects. Let us again use an example. If a very dear friend who is sitting next to you is suddenly sick but this information that is carried by energy to you – through sight and sound is arrested. Imagine something that arrests both the light and sound that it cannot reach you. In such a case, the effect of his cries for help will not be there on you. Whereas, the moment you get this information, you will act. It is safe to presume that light carries information and brings and enables cause and effect. Here light should be understood as energy. Cause and effect enables time as time is defined as the interval between two events. If events aren't present time cannot be present. In deep sleep we get a glimpse of no time situation. The ancient seers of India recognized these facts and employed them beautifully into a subject of Astrology. Astrology takes its subject matter from the very basis of space and time and it does not lack in its scientific approach. Scientists & Astrology We believe that if scientific community of the world need to focus on astrology, then it should at least try and prove some of its principles through their know-how rather than waste time and energy in proving something useful as a mere superstition. Perhaps we can find the lost chapters of astrology (lost or destroyed chapters of various ancient texts over the centuries) ourselves and understand the same in new light. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 10/1/05, Tarun <tarun.virgo > wrote: Dear Bharat ji, namaskar, I think that in the old days when the astrology was discovered by our scientists ( rishi munis) i think that we are following the same things as they wrote in the books no new concept is discovered....am i right.. in those days the distance travelled by the person considering the horoscope was most of the travel by cart isntit....they were not to travel across seas or for a distance of 5000 kms even....thats what i m talking abt means jodhpur to calcutta...considering as a big traveling distance... even today if we travel by train it takes 2-3 days to reach there...thus i can say it was a dream in old times to travel so far... so they were not to consider the long distance like today. but if we see thsi in present scenario...what we can say... if u have heard abt global positioning system....GPS...if we change the place we are noticed by the satellite even....which is in space alike a planet...the same way.....if we are migrated to long distance then our position is changed....even if u consider as our horoscope reading or what but its there that ur positon is changed.. thanks... tarun... PS..bharat ji,...try to analyse it being neutrall....to astrology...for a while...and try to analyse it as scientific way...to explore not in a way that u cannot move or think ahead written in books.... ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Vedic Vedic astrology Vedic astrologers Free vedic astrology Jyotish Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Dear Bharat ji, I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one knows ......i m sure.. what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not only for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to move to distant places in sake of knowledge and power. Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing time..but the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of birth occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar position not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u see about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if u take the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in the same ) .....if u take the current time and check the lagna degree for an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what this means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered for an event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna positions of calcutta should be considered for an event if organised in calcutta.at the same time. in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing. did u got my attachment in my previous mail i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat etcc... Thanks Tarun... Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: Namaskaar Tarun You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come to the point. It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put across. It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is in Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth happened at a particular place and that place should be considered to make the horoscope. Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta already and many people practise it. Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". Thanks and Regards Bharat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and new chart (computed with local time at new location at the instant of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it may be due to error in software or precision error or some other reason. If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location is changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if it changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the new one. I propose the following reason: Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. He grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to apply it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and recomputes a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth chart. He does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able to wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be so. Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which implies that Original Chart also contained the information that another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. But we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. There is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due to (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma (Ref. Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same as in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in moving towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point it is invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' area and arguments can be made to either side. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================== , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Bharat ji, > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one knows > ......i m sure.. > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not only > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to move to > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > * > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th, > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999 > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing time..but > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of birth > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar position > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u see > about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if u take > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in the > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* degree for > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what this > means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered for an > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna positions > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in > calcutta.at the same time. > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing. > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat etcc... > > Thanks > > Tarun... > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come > > to the point. > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put across. > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is in > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth > > happened at a particular place and that place should be considered to > > make the horoscope. > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with > > you. > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta > > already and many people practise it. > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 Dear Sourav ji, after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion that i must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys to get in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont support my views. regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it. each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its results, my views are also diff. it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are already in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt my logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view.. thanks and regards for replying to my mail tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and new chart (computed with local time at new location at the instant of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it may be due to error in software or precision error or some other reason. If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location is changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if it changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the new one. I propose the following reason: Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. He grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to apply it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and recomputes a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth chart. He does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able to wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be so. Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which implies that Original Chart also contained the information that another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. But we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. There is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due to (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma (Ref. Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same as in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in moving towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point it is invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' area and arguments can be made to either side. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================== , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Bharat ji, > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one knows > ......i m sure.. > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not only > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to move to > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > * > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October 20th, > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, 1999 > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we should > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you sanction > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing time..but > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of birth > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar position > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u see > about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if u take > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in the > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* degree for > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what this > means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered for an > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna positions > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in > calcutta.at the same time. > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing. > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat etcc... > > Thanks > > Tarun... > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed that I > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and come > > to the point. > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old days. It > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is not > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is evolving. It > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today than > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that your > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have put across. > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to Kashmir > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila in 300 > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is in > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances are > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. why > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth > > happened at a particular place and that place should be considered to > > make the horoscope. > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with > > you. > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of calcutta > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a bit > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under Muhurta > > already and many people practise it. > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of use and not logic. Best regards, Sourav =================================================================== , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav ji, > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion that i > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys to get > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont support my > views. > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it. > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its results, > my views are also diff. > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are already > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt my > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view.. > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > tarun > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Tarun, > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the instant > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it may > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other reason. > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location is > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if it > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the new > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. He > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to apply > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and recomputes > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth chart. He > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able to > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be so. > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. But > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. There > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due to > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma (Ref. > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same as > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in moving > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point it is > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' area > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > ================================================================== > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no one > > knows > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human not > > only > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to > > move to > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > * > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on October > > 20th, > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb 14th, > > 1999 > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we > > should > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > sanction > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with you. > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing > > time..but > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event of > > birth > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar > > position > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u > > see > > > about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like if > > u take > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check in > > the > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* > > degree for > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in degrees ....what > > this > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be considered > > for an > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna > > positions > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing. > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for muhurat > > etcc... > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed > > that I > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks and > > come > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old > > days. It > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one is > > not > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > evolving. It > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology today > > than > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have been > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising that > > your > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have > > put across. > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur to > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to > > Kashmir > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to Takshashila > > in 300 > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference Magadha is > > in > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two distances > > are > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, etc. > > why > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called birth > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > considered to > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > October > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, > > Feb > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your > > view, > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If > > you > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > discuss with > > > > you. > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of > > calcutta > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are being a > > bit > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under > > Muhurta > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dear Sourav ji , till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough time to think over the logic and try to use it.. sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so that i can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is possible. Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me did u read my views over rahu and ketu.. kindly post me your comments on the same too thanks tarun. , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Tarun, > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of use > and not logic. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > =================================================================== > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav ji, > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion > that i > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys to > get > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont > support my > > views. > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it. > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its > results, > > my views are also diff. > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are > already > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt > my > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view.. > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > > > tarun > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart and > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the > instant > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, it > may > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other > reason. > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if location > is > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if > it > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not the > new > > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place A. > He > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due to > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to > apply > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and > recomputes > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth > chart. He > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be able > to > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't be > so. > > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. > But > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. > There > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. > > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated due > to > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma > (Ref. > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding same > as > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in > moving > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point > it is > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' > area > > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was discovered...no > one > > > knows > > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general human > not > > > only > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to > > > move to > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > > * > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > October > > > 20th, > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb > 14th, > > > 1999 > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we > > > should > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > > sanction > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with > you. > > > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing > > > time..but > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event > of > > > birth > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar > > > position > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if u > > > see > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same time ....like > if > > > u take > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check > in > > > the > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* > > > degree for > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in > degrees ....what > > > this > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be > considered > > > for an > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna > > > positions > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised in > > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the thing. > > > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for > muhurat > > > etcc... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have assumed > > > that I > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks > and > > > come > > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of old > > > days. It > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one > is > > > not > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > > evolving. It > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology > today > > > than > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have > been > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising > that > > > your > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may have > > > put across. > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur > to > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to > > > Kashmir > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to > Takshashila > > > in 300 > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference > Magadha is > > > in > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two > distances > > > are > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, > etc. > > > why > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called > birth > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > > considered to > > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > October > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on > say, > > > Feb > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In > your > > > view, > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to > Calcutta. If > > > you > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > > discuss with > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time of > > > calcutta > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are > being a > > > bit > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under > > > Muhurta > > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or wrong ? Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are approaching it. If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological community as a whole. I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning. Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach. I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of it is already known. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav ji , > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few > months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough time > to think over the logic and try to use it.. > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so that i > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is > possible. > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu.. > > kindly post me your comments on the same too > > thanks > > tarun. > > , "Sourav Chowdhury" > <souravc108> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Tarun, > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of > use > > and not logic. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > =================================================================== > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Sourav ji, > > > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion > > that i > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys > to > > get > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont > > support my > > > views. > > > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it. > > > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its > > results, > > > my views are also diff. > > > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are > > already > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt > > my > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view.. > > > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart > and > > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the > > instant > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, > it > > may > > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other > > reason. > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if > location > > is > > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if > > it > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not > the > > new > > > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place > A. > > He > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due > to > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to > > apply > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and > > recomputes > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth > > chart. He > > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be > able > > to > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't > be > > so. > > > > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will > > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that > > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. > > But > > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. > > There > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. > > > > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated > due > > to > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma > > (Ref. > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding > same > > as > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in > > moving > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point > > it is > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' > > area > > > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was > discovered...no > > one > > > > knows > > > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general > human > > not > > > > only > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to > > > > move to > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > October > > > > 20th, > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb > > 14th, > > > > 1999 > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we > > > > should > > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > > > sanction > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with > > you. > > > > > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing > > > > time..but > > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event > > of > > > > birth > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar > > > > position > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if > u > > > > see > > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same > time ....like > > if > > > > u take > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check > > in > > > > the > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* > > > > degree for > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in > > degrees ....what > > > > this > > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be > > considered > > > > for an > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna > > > > positions > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised > in > > > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the > thing. > > > > > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for > > muhurat > > > > etcc... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have > assumed > > > > that I > > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks > > and > > > > come > > > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of > old > > > > days. It > > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one > > is > > > > not > > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > > > evolving. It > > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology > > today > > > > than > > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have > > been > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising > > that > > > > your > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may > have > > > > put across. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur > > to > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to > > > > Kashmir > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to > > Takshashila > > > > in 300 > > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference > > Magadha is > > > > in > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two > > distances > > > > are > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, > > etc. > > > > why > > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called > > birth > > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > > > considered to > > > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > October > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on > > say, > > > > Feb > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In > > your > > > > view, > > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to > > Calcutta. If > > > > you > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > > > discuss with > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time > of > > > > calcutta > > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are > > being a > > > > bit > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under > > > > Muhurta > > > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dear Sourav ji, how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the story....how the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first theory of chemical bonding came in existance....if u move in history u can find the answers of the guidelines u suggested me.. as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a literature...as i think u consider it. and its a well known fact that science is discovered by experiments and for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In that i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was to prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear ways... Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also one of them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r thinking it in a astrologically way. Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a scientific way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa yoga...be scientific in your approach thanks tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or wrong ? Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are approaching it. If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological community as a whole. I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning. Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach. I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of it is already known. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav ji , > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few > months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough time > to think over the logic and try to use it.. > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so that i > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is > possible. > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu.. > > kindly post me your comments on the same too > > thanks > > tarun. > > , "Sourav Chowdhury" > <souravc108> wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Tarun, > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of > use > > and not logic. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > =================================================================== > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Sourav ji, > > > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion > > that i > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even trys > to > > get > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont > > support my > > > views. > > > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change it. > > > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its > > results, > > > my views are also diff. > > > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we are > > already > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure abt > > my > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their view.. > > > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth chart > and > > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the > > instant > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) exists, > it > > may > > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other > > reason. > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if > location > > is > > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even if > > it > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not > the > > new > > > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in place > A. > > He > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left due > to > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries to > > apply > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and > > recomputes > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, because, > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth > > chart. He > > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be > able > > to > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It can't > be > > so. > > > > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he will > > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information that > > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life span. > > But > > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. > > There > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an example. > > > > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated > due > > to > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has achieved > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of karma > > (Ref. > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding > same > > as > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person in > > moving > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the point > > it is > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is a 'gray' > > area > > > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was > discovered...no > > one > > > > knows > > > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general > human > > not > > > > only > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were able to > > > > move to > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > October > > > > 20th, > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, Feb > > 14th, > > > > 1999 > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, we > > > > should > > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > > > sanction > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss with > > you. > > > > > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the landing > > > > time..but > > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the event > > of > > > > birth > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per solar > > > > position > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because if > u > > > > see > > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same > time ....like > > if > > > > u take > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly check > > in > > > > the > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the *lagna* > > > > degree for > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in > > degrees ....what > > > > this > > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be > > considered > > > > for an > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and lagna > > > > positions > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* organised > in > > > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the > thing. > > > > > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for > > muhurat > > > > etcc... > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have > assumed > > > > that I > > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such remarks > > and > > > > come > > > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books of > old > > > > days. It > > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then one > > is > > > > not > > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > > > evolving. It > > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology > > today > > > > than > > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles have > > been > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is surprising > > that > > > > your > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may > have > > > > put across. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from Jodhpur > > to > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from Ernakulum to > > > > Kashmir > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to > > Takshashila > > > > in 300 > > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference > > Magadha is > > > > in > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two > > distances > > > > are > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, ships, > > etc. > > > > why > > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called > > birth > > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > > > considered to > > > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > October > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on > > say, > > > > Feb > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In > > your > > > > view, > > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to > > Calcutta. If > > > > you > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > > > discuss with > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing time > of > > > > calcutta > > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are > > being a > > > > bit > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered under > > > > Muhurta > > > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. One doesnt have to work in NASA or ISRO to prove astrology is a science. You can too. I will not argue with you. One day you will argue with yourself and that day knowledge will dawn. Best regards and Happy Navratri, Sourav ==================================================================== , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav ji, > > how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the story....how > the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first theory of chemical > bonding came in existance....if u move in history u can find the answers > of the guidelines u suggested me.. > > as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a literature...as > i think u consider it. > > and its a well known fact that science is discovered by experiments and > for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In that > i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was to > prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear ways... > Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also one of > them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r thinking > it in a astrologically way. > > Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a scientific > way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa yoga...be > scientific in your approach > > thanks > > tarun > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Tarun, > > namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you > > cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty > > of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent > > astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or > > wrong ? > > > > Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which > > help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research > > and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a > > burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you > > will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are > > approaching it. > > > > If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to > > become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to > > raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological > > community as a whole. > > > > I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you > > reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put > > your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating > > ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and > > go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning. > > Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach. > > > > I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of > > it is already known. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > ==================================================================== > > > > , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Sourav ji , > > > > > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few > > > months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the > > > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough > > time > > > to think over the logic and try to use it.. > > > > > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so > > that i > > > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi > > > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is > > > possible. > > > > > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me > > > > > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu.. > > > > > > kindly post me your comments on the same too > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > , "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <souravc108> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of > > > use > > > > and not logic. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav ji, > > > > > > > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion > > > > that i > > > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even > > trys > > > to > > > > get > > > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont > > > > support my > > > > > views. > > > > > > > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change > > it. > > > > > > > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its > > > > results, > > > > > my views are also diff. > > > > > > > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we > > are > > > > already > > > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure > > abt > > > > my > > > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their > > view.. > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth > > chart > > > and > > > > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the > > > > instant > > > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) > > exists, > > > it > > > > may > > > > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other > > > > reason. > > > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if > > > location > > > > is > > > > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even > > if > > > > it > > > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not > > > the > > > > new > > > > > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in > > place > > > A. > > > > He > > > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left > > due > > > to > > > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries > > to > > > > apply > > > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and > > > > recomputes > > > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, > > because, > > > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth > > > > chart. He > > > > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be > > > able > > > > to > > > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It > > can't > > > be > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he > > will > > > > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > > > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information > > that > > > > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life > > span. > > > > But > > > > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. > > > > There > > > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated > > > due > > > > to > > > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has > > achieved > > > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of > > karma > > > > (Ref. > > > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding > > > same > > > > as > > > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person > > in > > > > moving > > > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the > > point > > > > it is > > > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is > > a 'gray' > > > > area > > > > > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > , Tarun > > <tarun.virgo@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was > > > discovered...no > > > > one > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general > > > human > > > > not > > > > > > only > > > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were > > able to > > > > > > move to > > > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > October > > > > > > 20th, > > > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, > > Feb > > > > 14th, > > > > > > 1999 > > > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, > > we > > > > > > should > > > > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > > > > > sanction > > > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss > > with > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the > > landing > > > > > > time..but > > > > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the > > event > > > > of > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per > > solar > > > > > > position > > > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because > > if > > > u > > > > > > see > > > > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same > > > time ....like > > > > if > > > > > > u take > > > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly > > check > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the > > *lagna* > > > > > > degree for > > > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in > > > > degrees ....what > > > > > > this > > > > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be > > > > considered > > > > > > for an > > > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and > > lagna > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* > > organised > > > in > > > > > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for > > > > muhurat > > > > > > etcc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have > > > assumed > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such > > remarks > > > > and > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books > > of > > > old > > > > > > days. It > > > > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then > > one > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > > > > > evolving. It > > > > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology > > > > today > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is > > surprising > > > > that > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may > > > have > > > > > > put across. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from > > Jodhpur > > > > to > > > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from > > Ernakulum to > > > > > > Kashmir > > > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to > > > > Takshashila > > > > > > in 300 > > > > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference > > > > Magadha is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two > > > > distances > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, > > ships, > > > > etc. > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called > > > > birth > > > > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta > > on > > > > say, > > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. > > In > > > > your > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to > > > > Calcutta. If > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > > > > > discuss with > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing > > time > > > of > > > > > > calcutta > > > > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are > > > > being a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered > > under > > > > > > Muhurta > > > > > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > <>" on the web. > > > > * > > > > <? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dear Sourav ji, Happy navratri you too, but if i say the same to you..then.......you will be proved wrong....so i will please you that you should never prove anyone wrong unless he can prove the same...yes i dont have any facilities to prove myself right but that doesnt mean that i m wrong. I will say one day some big astrologer will keep my idea in front of u and then u will follow the same..i m sure abt this.. and what abt Rahu and Ketu ..i m stil awaiting for the same Regards Tarun.. Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun, Namaskar. One doesnt have to work in NASA or ISRO to prove astrology is a science. You can too. I will not argue with you. One day you will argue with yourself and that day knowledge will dawn. Best regards and Happy Navratri, Sourav ==================================================================== , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > Dear Sourav ji, > > how the first railway engine was invented.....do u know the story....how > the murfy's law came in existence ....how the first theory of chemical > bonding came in existance....if u move in history u can find the answers > of the guidelines u suggested me.. > > as far as astrology is concernerd it is a science not a literature...as > i think u consider it. > > and its a well known fact that science is discovered by experiments and > for the same i replied in my previous mail ..plz read it again. In that > i wrote that if i had a chance to work in NASA or ISRO then i was to > prove the astrology theory as a science in all the crystal clear ways... > Your email didnt sounds negative its sounding me that u are also one of > them who dont want to think that my logic neutrally...means u r thinking > it in a astrologically way. > > Regarding my Rahu ketu email ..kindly tell me your views in a scientific > way that ..what is Rahu and ketu and what is kal sarpa yoga...be > scientific in your approach > > thanks > > tarun > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Tarun, > > namaskar. What is the point in floating ideas that you > > cannot back up with hard labor to prove them right? There are plenty > > of people who can float ideas and the learned and intelligent > > astrologers cannot run after everyone of them to prove them right or > > wrong ? > > > > Learned astrologers are said to have high levels of intuitions which > > help them form new ideas and questions for themselves to do research > > and solve/prove. Jyotisha Sashtra (as per Vedic tradition) is like a > > burning lamp - the closer you get to the lamp the more knowledge you > > will receive. It doesn't matter from which direction you are > > approaching it. > > > > If you don't consider yourself to be a learned astrologer try to > > become one by mastering the traditional astrology and then try to > > raise new questions. It will benefit you and the astrological > > community as a whole. > > > > I am sorry if my e-mail sounds negative but I would be glad if you > > reassess your situation and your questioning mind. I hope you put > > your probing mind to best use. The worst result of merely floating > > ideas is that some young and eager student will take up the idea and > > go astray without proper guidance, and later may give up learning. > > Hence, first learn, then teach and then finally preach. > > > > I have no comments for your e-mail on the Nodes except that all of > > it is already known. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > ==================================================================== > > > > , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Sourav ji , > > > > > > till a logic is not adopted it cant be proved....and it takes few > > > months or years to get the proof...which not possible without the > > > help of learned astrologers.....unfortunately no one has enough > > time > > > to think over the logic and try to use it.. > > > > > > sometimes i think if it was possible for me to work in NASA so > > that i > > > can prove the astrology in a scientific way even whatever Rishi > > > Parashara proved. I know its not a kids job but everything is > > > possible. > > > > > > Anyways thanks alot for your time to mail me > > > > > > did u read my views over rahu and ketu.. > > > > > > kindly post me your comments on the same too > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > tarun. > > > > > > , "Sourav Chowdhury" > > > <souravc108> wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > Namaskar. The ultimate test of any theory is proof of > > > use > > > > and not logic. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > =================================================================== > > > > , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Sourav ji, > > > > > > > > > > after all the discussions happened , i am on to the conclusion > > > > that i > > > > > must close the topic as no one wants to accept it or even > > trys > > > to > > > > get > > > > > in to the logic. You also tried the same but finally u dont > > > > support my > > > > > views. > > > > > > > > > > regarding the karma theory...karma are karma no one can change > > it. > > > > > > > > > > each astrologer has a diff outlook to see the raashis and its > > > > results, > > > > > my views are also diff. > > > > > > > > > > it is a truth that new theory is hard to understand when we > > are > > > > already > > > > > in the same field. But i m still on my point because i m sure > > abt > > > > my > > > > > logic......may someone trys to understand or not its their > > view.. > > > > > > > > > > thanks and regards for replying to my mail > > > > > > > > > > tarun > > > > > > > > > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > Namaskar. If the difference in original birth > > chart > > > and > > > > > > new chart (computed with local time at new location at the > > > > instant > > > > > > of birth, and longitude and latitude of new location) > > exists, > > > it > > > > may > > > > > > be due to error in software or precision error or some other > > > > reason. > > > > > > If precisely computed, Chart actually doesn't change if > > > location > > > > is > > > > > > changed long with time, even if your method is applied. Even > > if > > > > it > > > > > > changes a little, the Origincal Chart is still valid and not > > > the > > > > new > > > > > > one. I propose the following reason: > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose a very good astrologer (traditional) is born in > > place > > > A. > > > > He > > > > > > grows up in A and learns that he has very little aayu left > > due > > > to > > > > > > some past life karma. Then he learns your theory, and tries > > to > > > > apply > > > > > > it. He finds a place B on earth, so that if he moves and > > > > recomputes > > > > > > a chart by your method, he will get a higher longivity, > > because, > > > > > > say, the recomputed chart is different from original birth > > > > chart. He > > > > > > does that and changes his residence to B. Will he really be > > > able > > > > to > > > > > > wash off all his past karma and have a longer life ? It > > can't > > > be > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose you say,no there is really a new chart different from > > > > > > Original Chart and its valid and yes it can be true that the > > > > > > longivity is indeed increased. Then the information that he > > will > > > > > > move from A to B will be present in the original chart, which > > > > > > implies that Original Chart also contained the information > > that > > > > > > another new chart will replace it and increase his life > > span. > > > > But > > > > > > we already know that Original Chart predicted low life span. > > > > There > > > > > > is an inherent fallacy in your thesis. This is just an > > example. > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAVEAT: A given birth chart may possibily be invalidated > > > due > > > > to > > > > > > (a) God's Grace or Guru's grace(b) if the native has > > achieved > > > > > > nirvikalpa samadhi wherein he has burnt all the seeds of > > karma > > > > (Ref. > > > > > > Patanjali's Yoga Sutra) - this is also, to my understanding > > > same > > > > as > > > > > > in (a). In such a case as in (b), the fact that the person > > in > > > > moving > > > > > > towards emancipation will be given in the chart till the > > point > > > > it is > > > > > > invalidated. This is to my understanding. But this is > > a 'gray' > > > > area > > > > > > and arguments can be made to either side. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > , Tarun > > <tarun.virgo@g...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Bharat ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am really impressed the way u look to astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now coming to the point.....when astrology was > > > discovered...no > > > > one > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > ......i m sure.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what was astrology made for? the answer is for a general > > > human > > > > not > > > > > > only > > > > > > > for the kings nor only for rishis etcc..etc...who were > > able to > > > > > > move to > > > > > > > distant places in sake of knowledge and power. > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > October > > > > > > 20th, > > > > > > > 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta on say, > > Feb > > > > 14th, > > > > > > 1999 > > > > > > > and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. In your view, > > we > > > > > > should > > > > > > > change his place of birth from Jodhpur to Calcutta. If you > > > > > > sanction > > > > > > > this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to discuss > > with > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *now coming to your question...my view is that nor the > > landing > > > > > > time..but > > > > > > > the local birth time is to be considered means when the > > event > > > > of > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > occurred in jodhpur what was the time in calcutta as per > > solar > > > > > > position > > > > > > > not as per IST. The same time should be considered because > > if > > > u > > > > > > see > > > > > > > about the degree position of planets at the same > > > time ....like > > > > if > > > > > > u take > > > > > > > the current time.( do u have jhora software then kindly > > check > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same ) .....if u take the current time and check the > > *lagna* > > > > > > degree for > > > > > > > an event (may be birth) , u will find the diff in > > > > degrees ....what > > > > > > this > > > > > > > means ...in my view it means these positions should be > > > > considered > > > > > > for an > > > > > > > event happened in jodhpur and the relative planetry and > > lagna > > > > > > positions > > > > > > > of calcutta should be considered for an event *if* > > organised > > > in > > > > > > > calcutta.at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my last mail i pleased u to be neutral in viewing the > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u got my attachment in my previous mail > > > > > > > i donot consider as landing time which is considered for > > > > muhurat > > > > > > etcc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarun... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bharat Hindu Astrology wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not know anything about my background and have > > > assumed > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > am not scientific, etc. However, I will ignore such > > remarks > > > > and > > > > > > come > > > > > > > > to the point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that I am writing from the books > > of > > > old > > > > > > days. It > > > > > > > > is your assumption that if one follows older books then > > one > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > being scientific. It is your assumption that science is > > > > > > evolving. It > > > > > > > > is your assumption that man knows better about Astrology > > > > today > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > before. It is your assumption that no new principles > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > discussed or delivered in all these years. It is > > surprising > > > > that > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > assumptions outweigh any scientific thought that you may > > > have > > > > > > put across. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is your assumption that they did not travel from > > Jodhpur > > > > to > > > > > > > > Calcutta whereas Sri Adi Sankara travelled from > > Ernakulum to > > > > > > Kashmir > > > > > > > > and Kedarnathji. Chanakya travalled from Magadha to > > > > Takshashila > > > > > > in 300 > > > > > > > > BC, and then, back to Patliputra. For your reference > > > > Magadha is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Bihar and Takshashila is north of Islamabad. The two > > > > distances > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > more than Jodhpur-Calcutta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Travel is travel, whether by bullock carts, planes, > > ships, > > > > etc. > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > would the change of birth place be made. An event called > > > > birth > > > > > > > > happened at a particular place and that place should be > > > > > > considered to > > > > > > > > make the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suppose one is born in Jodhpur at 11:30 HRS Local time on > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 20th, 1990. Then, one travels from Jodhpur to Calcutta > > on > > > > say, > > > > > > Feb > > > > > > > > 14th, 1999 and lands in calcutta by plane at 14:40 hrs. > > In > > > > your > > > > > > view, > > > > > > > > we should change his place of birth from Jodhpur to > > > > Calcutta. If > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > sanction this, please go ahead and I have nothing more to > > > > > > discuss with > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you say that we should make a chart of the landing > > time > > > of > > > > > > calcutta > > > > > > > > or the beginning time from Jodhpur, then atleast you are > > > > being a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > Scientific, then all I am saying is that it is covered > > under > > > > > > Muhurta > > > > > > > > already and many people practise it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is my article on "Scientific view of Astrology". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > <>" on the web. > > > > * > > > > <? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare| Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare|| Dear Vistiji, The way you have explained us about the direction and distance for successful profession, can you please enlighten us on which house and his lord will give direction & distance for successful study? (especially PhD which I am interested in, Is it the 9th house from Moon?) Thanks, Rakesh - "Visti Larsen" <visti RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:43:01 +0200 > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Agastya, Namaskar > > Please do justice to the subject by explaining this in detail with examples > please. I assume you can write a convincing article on the same for the > Jyotish Digest. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Agastya Rishsi > 30 September 2005 05:46 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Namaste! > > > > It appears that perhaps you have not properly understood the concept behind > AstrCartoGraphy hence you present what is essentially a strawman argument. > > > []On > Behalf Of Visti Larsen > Thursday, September 29, 2005 1:04 PM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > The concept you are referring to has been experimented by some Western > astrologers, and is called Astro-cartography. Here the idea is that the > chart changes on the basis of the new location that one has moved to. > > Now for us vedic astrologers this must sound absurd. Because this conflicts > with the main principle of Jyotish, namely that we are born with a certain > karma based on the birth chart, and this is our personal karma which > indicates our name, parrents, sex, appearance, etc. If our chart were to > change based on our new locations, then that also means that our name, > parrents, sex, or even appearance would drastically change based on a change > of place. My experience tells me that I don't change my sex when I cross > timezones, so this idea is unacceptible. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 29 September 2005 04:09 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... > > > > Dear Visti ji > > Good morning, > thanks for letting me the basic abt distances. > But sir i wish to know that will the migration frm one city to another city > within the same timezone like in india...makes a diff in horoscope.. > > like if i move to calcutta frm jodhpur will the lagna degree will be > affected ......because planets work on the persons geographical location > particularly on the planet earth. > > even in my case if i take my birth of jodhpur and i move to calcutta my > timezone is same and my birthtime is same for both the places but the degree > is changed. in the chart. > > do change in location makes a diff in charts and thus fortune > > thanks > tarun agarwal > > Visti Larsen wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > I will answer the specific question that you ask, namely about directions. > > No, just because a person can earn in the eastern direction, it doesn't mean > that they will earn more if they move to Vietnam or even more if they move > to Mexico. The distance can also be said and this depends on the chart. The > movable signs indicate moving overseas, whilst the Fixed ones indicate > moving not far, i.e. within the town. > > Dual signs indicate the neighboring state or towns in that vicinity. > > So first identify the planet indicating the favorable direction, and then > see which sign it is in to determine the distance. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Tarun > 28 September 2005 05:55 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Regarding location..... > > > > Dear Visti ji, > > namaskar.. > > sir i wish to ask that ....one live in jodhpur.....and one live in > Calcutta.... > the sunrise diff is nearly one hour...then what would be the effect if > someone migrate frm jodhpur to calcutta as there is diff of one hour but > it is in the same time zone.. > > as i think that horoscope is calculated on the local sunrise time.not on > timezone. > i m asking this because if i say that a person will earn in eastern > direction ...but if he moves to nearby city in east direction doesnt > gives him that much fame but if he moves to too far distance like to > calcutta or assam then he earns much much more... > as he can earn in nearby city.. > > do this makes a diff.. > > kindly guide further.. > > thanks > tarun. > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on the web. > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of Service > <> . > > > > _____ -- _____________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC\ =lycos10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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