Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Dear Gurus and Members, Hare Rama Krsna I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and cannot find the answer to this question, namely if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. On the page 75 there is instruction about finding stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. Please shed some light. Thank you Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Dear Govinda, These two lords are lording in the same time, while generally one is more dominating in this. See which lord has conjunction of more Grahas, and see if they are Jupiter / Mercury. See avastha of Graha. See also when which Lord will be activated, and how it will change Arudha. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "govinda108m" <govinda108m <> Tuesday, September 20, 2005 9:26 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > Dear Gurus and Members, > Hare Rama Krsna > > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > Please shed some light. > > Thank you > Govinda > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Govind-ji, Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) placement If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra and Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger than a planet with no such placement. The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership to review my results. This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== , "govinda108m" <govinda108m> wrote: > Dear Gurus and Members, > Hare Rama Krsna > > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > Please shed some light. > > Thank you > Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Dear Rafal and Sourav, Namaskar! Thank you for answers. I think I have found your link, Sourav. http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html I'll study your answers and get back to you latter. I'm writing this from job computer, so I have to run. yours Govinda > Dear Govind-ji, > Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa > and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > placement > > If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the > ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed > with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra and > Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable > and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger > than a planet with no such placement. > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in > Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And > vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules > out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership > to review my results. > > This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the > archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ==================================================================== > > , "govinda108m" > <govinda108m> wrote: > > Dear Gurus and Members, > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > > > Please shed some light. > > > > Thank you > > Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Govind-ji, namaskar. Glad to be of some help. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================= , "govinda108m" <govinda108m> wrote: > Dear Rafal and Sourav, > Namaskar! > > Thank you for answers. > I think I have found your link, Sourav. > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > I'll study your answers and get back to you latter. > I'm writing this from job computer, so I have to run. > > yours > Govinda > > > > > Dear Govind-ji, > > Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa > > and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > > placement > > > > If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the > > ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed > > with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra > and > > Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable > > and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > > > In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > > results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > > moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger > > than a planet with no such placement. > > > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in > > Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And > > vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules > > out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership > > to review my results. > > > > This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > > class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the > > archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > ==================================================================== > > > > , "govinda108m" > > <govinda108m> wrote: > > > Dear Gurus and Members, > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > > > > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > > > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > > > > > Please shed some light. > > > > > > Thank you > > > Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Dear Saurav, You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. What does it stand for? The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains Scorpio or Aquarius. The solution is: A)Both Lords lord at the same time B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, and change bhava arudha D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the other Lord. Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. Sources: 1.Rafal 2.Sourav 3.Blog link 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures 1.Rafal -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter -compare avastha of grahas in question 2.Sourav find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh difference -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number of planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets conjoined is stronger. -if both planets associate with the same number of planets then, see the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more comfortable, and hence stronger -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is stronger b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet then the other(in case of equal number of associates), one with better relationship is stronger. 3.Blog link http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet within a pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma >From there I read: Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), Pr=def= (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for dasa period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. This is actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu are both in the Lagna. -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign -a sign with more planets is stronger -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger (rasi aspect) -status of the planets should be considered -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd sign is stronger if its lord is in even sign -higher dasa period rule -atmakaraka rule -degree rule. 4.Narasimha's Book Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is recapitulation of the blog link with one slight differnce. I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and Saturn and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. The stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration of its dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" So, The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: 1.finding arudha pada 2.duration of rasi dasas 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing Scorpio/Aquarius signs. Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. Data: Date:July 30th 1972 Time:4.46AM Place: Lng 16E02 Ltd 45N49 Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and Mercury. This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. The situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So which one is stronger actually? Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and Rahu in 7th, both are alone. Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords Capricorn, so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? Thank you all Govinda > Dear Govind-ji, > Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa > and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > placement > > If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the > ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed > with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra and > Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable > and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger > than a planet with no such placement. > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in > Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And > vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules > out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership > to review my results. > > This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the > archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ==================================================================== > > , "govinda108m" > <govinda108m> wrote: > > Dear Gurus and Members, > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > > > Please shed some light. > > > > Thank you > > Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Govinda. Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is in Sc, take Ma) 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord 4. Take exalted Graha 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme 7. Longitude This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa manually. Regards Rafal Gendarz - "govinda108m" <govinda108m <> Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > > > Dear Saurav, > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. What > does it stand for? > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains Scorpio or > Aquarius. > > The solution is: > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > and change bhava arudha > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the other Lord. > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > Sources: > 1.Rafal > 2.Sourav > 3.Blog link > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > 1.Rafal > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > 2.Sourav > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh > difference > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number of > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets > conjoined is stronger. > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets then, see > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more comfortable, > and hence stronger > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is > stronger > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet then the > other(in case of equal number of associates), one with better > relationship is stronger. > > > 3.Blog link > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet within a > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > From there I read: > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), Pr=def= > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for dasa > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. This is > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu are both > in the Lagna. > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > -a sign with more planets is stronger > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger > (rasi aspect) > -status of the planets should be considered > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd sign is > stronger if its lord is in even sign > -higher dasa period rule > -atmakaraka rule > -degree rule. > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is recapitulation > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and Saturn > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. The > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration of its > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > So, > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: > 1.finding arudha pada > 2.duration of rasi dasas > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > Data: > Date:July 30th 1972 > Time:4.46AM > Place: Lng 16E02 > Ltd 45N49 > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and Mercury. > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. The > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So which one is > stronger actually? > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and Rahu in > 7th, both are alone. > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords Capricorn, > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > Thank you all > Govinda > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) >> placement >> >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra > and >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. >> >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger >> than a planet with no such placement. >> >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. >> >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. >> >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. >> >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership >> to review my results. >> >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). >> >> Best regards, >> >> Sourav >> ==================================================================== >> >> , "govinda108m" >> <govinda108m> wrote: >> > Dear Gurus and Members, >> > Hare Rama Krsna >> > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. >> > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. >> > >> > Please shed some light. >> > >> > Thank you >> > Govinda ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Dear Rafal and Sourav, Let me try this in my case. Data: Date:July 30th 1972 Time:4.46AM Place: Lng 16E02 Ltd 45N49 Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) Scorpio. If the lord is in that sign take another. Now I see, neither Ketu nor Mars are in Scorpio. Both are together with 2 more planets in Cancer. Jupiter doesn't associate or aspect Mars or Ketu. Mercury associates with both. Moon, the lord of the sign Ketu and Mars are in, does not aspect nor conjoins them. So the next rule. You and Narasimha in his book do not mention, but the blog link mentions to see the status of the planet, which is litle bit more general rule. "Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the status of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. should be considered to declare the stronger sign. " Mars is debilitated and Ketu is vargottama, so I take Ketu. Would that be OK? Aquarius. First two do not make the winner. Jupiter doesn't give ass nor conj to neither. Mercury gives rasi dristi to Saturn, and Sturn is not aspected by Venus, the lord. So Saturn scores 1. Rahu is not aspected by Jupiter, nor Mercury. There is graha dristi from Mercury but here we look at rasi dristi. Saturn, the lord of Capricorn, aspects Rahu. So 1:1. I made mistake here in the last post. If we look at the state of the planet, Rahu is in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. Saturn is friend with Venus, but I don't know if Rahu is friend or what with Capricorn. Its not his own rasi, which is Aquarius, its not his exaltation sign, not mulatrikona nor debilitation. Rahu is vargottama though. Here I stop and need assistance. If there is no resolution here, then Saturn is in fixed sign and Rahu in Movable, fixed>movable, so Saturn would pervail. Thank you Govinda > Dear Govinda. > > Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord > for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can > experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. > > 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is in Sc, take Ma) > > 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke > > 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord > > 4. Take exalted Graha > > 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable > > 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme > > 7. Longitude > > This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa manually. > > > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > > - > "govinda108m" <govinda108m> > <> > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > > > > > > > > Dear Saurav, > > > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. What > > does it stand for? > > > > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains Scorpio or > > Aquarius. > > > > The solution is: > > > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > > and change bhava arudha > > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the other Lord. > > > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > > > Sources: > > 1.Rafal > > 2.Sourav > > 3.Blog link > > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > > > 1.Rafal > > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > > > 2.Sourav > > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh > > difference > > > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number of > > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets > > conjoined is stronger. > > > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets then, see > > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more comfortable, > > and hence stronger > > > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is > > stronger > > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet then the > > other(in case of equal number of associates), one with better > > relationship is stronger. > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of > > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet within a > > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > > > From there I read: > > > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), Pr=def= > > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for dasa > > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. This is > > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu are both > > in the Lagna. > > > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord > > > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > > -a sign with more planets is stronger > > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger > > (rasi aspect) > > -status of the planets should be considered > > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd sign is > > stronger if its lord is in even sign > > -higher dasa period rule > > -atmakaraka rule > > -degree rule. > > > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is recapitulation > > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or > > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and Saturn > > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, > > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. The > > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration of its > > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > > > So, > > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: > > 1.finding arudha pada > > 2.duration of rasi dasas > > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > > Data: > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > Time:4.46AM > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > Ltd 45N49 > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and Mercury. > > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. The > > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So which one is > > stronger actually? > > > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and Rahu in > > 7th, both are alone. > > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords Capricorn, > > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > > > Thank you all > > Govinda > > > > > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, > >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa > >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > >> placement > >> > >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the > >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed > >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra > > and > >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable > >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > >> > >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is stronger > >> than a planet with no such placement. > >> > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > >> > >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed in > >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule Aq.And > >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules > >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > >> > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > >> > >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second ownership > >> to review my results. > >> > >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the > >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Sourav > >> ==================================================================== > >> > >> , "govinda108m" > >> <govinda108m> wrote: > >> > Dear Gurus and Members, > >> > Hare Rama Krsna > >> > > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > >> > > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > >> > > >> > Please shed some light. > >> > > >> > Thank you > >> > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Govind-ji, Namaskar. The rules are clearly given in page 173-174 in Guru Narasimha-ji's book. Be careful in using 5(a) and 5(b). 5(a) is used for dasa calculations and 5(b) is used for calculating Arudhapadas etc. (1) Ke and Ma need to be judged by rule 5(b) as there is no winner by rules 1-4. 5(b) says whichever ghara is more advanced in the sign will get the lordship of Sc. For Ke, 30deg - 1deg58 = 28deg02; for Ma, 26deg27. Hence, Ke is the lord of Sc. (2) Ra and Sa can be judged by rule 4. Ra is in a movable sign and Sa is in a fixed sign. Strength Order: Dual>Fixed>Movable. Sa is lord of Aq. Now, Arudhapada of Aq falls in Leo which is 7th from Aq, which falls under exception. Hence, 10th from Leo will be the A8. 10th from Le is Ta where Sa is placed. JHora gives the same. Best regards, Sourav ===================================================================== , "govinda108m" <govinda108m> wrote: > Dear Rafal and Sourav, > > Let me try this in my case. > > Data: > Date:July 30th 1972 > Time:4.46AM > Place: Lng 16E02 > Ltd 45N49 > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > Scorpio. > If the lord is in that sign take another. Now I > see, neither Ketu nor Mars are in Scorpio. > Both are together with 2 more planets in Cancer. > Jupiter doesn't associate or aspect Mars or Ketu. > Mercury associates with both. > Moon, the lord of the sign Ketu and Mars are in, does not > aspect nor conjoins them. So the next rule. You and Narasimha in > his book do not mention, but the blog link mentions to see the > status of the planet, which is litle bit more general rule. > > "Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are > similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the status > of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. should > be considered to declare the stronger sign. > " > > Mars is debilitated and Ketu is vargottama, so I take > Ketu. > > Would that be OK? > > Aquarius. > First two do not make the winner. > Jupiter doesn't give ass nor conj to neither. > Mercury gives rasi dristi to Saturn, and Sturn is > not aspected by Venus, the lord. So Saturn scores 1. > Rahu is not aspected by Jupiter, nor Mercury. There is > graha dristi from Mercury but here we look at rasi dristi. > Saturn, the lord of Capricorn, aspects Rahu. So 1:1. > I made mistake here in the last post. If we look at the state > of the planet, Rahu is in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. > Saturn is friend with Venus, but I don't know if Rahu is > friend or what with Capricorn. Its not his own rasi, which > is Aquarius, its not his exaltation sign, not mulatrikona nor > debilitation. Rahu is vargottama though. > Here I stop and need assistance. > If there is no resolution here, then Saturn is in fixed > sign and Rahu in Movable, fixed>movable, so Saturn would pervail. > > Thank you > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Govinda. > > > > Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord > > for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can > > experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. > > > > 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is in Sc, > take Ma) > > > > 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke > > > > 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord > > > > 4. Take exalted Graha > > > > 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable > > > > 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme > > > > 7. Longitude > > > > This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa manually. > > > > > > > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > - > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m> > > <> > > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saurav, > > > > > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. What > > > does it stand for? > > > > > > > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains Scorpio > or > > > Aquarius. > > > > > > The solution is: > > > > > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > > > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > > > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > > > and change bhava arudha > > > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the other > Lord. > > > > > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > > > > > Sources: > > > 1.Rafal > > > 2.Sourav > > > 3.Blog link > > > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > > > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > > > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > > > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > > > > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > > > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh > > > difference > > > > > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number of > > > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets > > > conjoined is stronger. > > > > > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets then, > see > > > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more comfortable, > > > and hence stronger > > > > > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > > > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is > > > stronger > > > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet then the > > > other(in case of equal number of associates), one with > better > > > relationship is stronger. > > > > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > > > > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of > > > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet > within a > > > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > > > > > From there I read: > > > > > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), Pr=def= > > > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > > > > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for dasa > > > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. This is > > > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu are > both > > > in the Lagna. > > > > > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord > > > > > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > > > -a sign with more planets is stronger > > > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger > > > (rasi aspect) > > > -status of the planets should be considered > > > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > > > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd > sign is > > > stronger if its lord is in even sign > > > -higher dasa period rule > > > -atmakaraka rule > > > -degree rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > > > > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is > recapitulation > > > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > > > > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > > > > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or > > > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and Saturn > > > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, > > > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. The > > > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration of its > > > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > > > > > So, > > > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: > > > 1.finding arudha pada > > > 2.duration of rasi dasas > > > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > > > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > > > > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > > > Data: > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > Time:4.46AM > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and > Mercury. > > > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. The > > > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So which > one is > > > stronger actually? > > > > > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and Rahu in > > > 7th, both are alone. > > > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > > > > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords > Capricorn, > > > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > > > > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > > > > > Thank you all > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, > > >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of Ra/Sa > > >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > > >> placement > > >> > > >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes the > > >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are placed > > >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t Ra > > > and > > >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more comfortable > > >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > >> > > >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > > >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > > >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is > stronger > > >> than a planet with no such placement. > > >> > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > >> > > >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is placed > in > > >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule > Aq.And > > >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, rules > > >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > >> > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > >> > > >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second > ownership > > >> to review my results. > > >> > > >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > > >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in the > > >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> Sourav > > >> > ==================================================================== > > >> > > >> , "govinda108m" > > >> <govinda108m> wrote: > > >> > Dear Gurus and Members, > > >> > Hare Rama Krsna > > >> > > > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > >> > > > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > > >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > >> > > > >> > Please shed some light. > > >> > > > >> > Thank you > > >> > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Dear Sourav, Namaskar! I have two more questions. First one is to compare two algorithms for finding the co-lords, the one on the blog page, and the other in Guru Narasimha ji's book. First difference is Guru Narasimha ji takes just exaltation as the comparison criteria. Only if one planet is exalted and the other planet is not, this criteria gives the winner. If both are exalted, or none, then next criteria is applied, which is simple rule. However, the blog link procedure involves comparing not only exaltation but also other states like moolatrikona and own sign. Could you comment on that? Or would it be that only Guru Narasimha ji's book gives the algorithm and blog is for something else? Second question is, what if Ketu and Mars are both in Scorpio. Then first rule points to both planets, so no winner, so go to the next rule? Thank you very much, your answer was very clear but let me solidify it little bit more. ys Govinda > Dear Govind-ji, > Namaskar. The rules are clearly given in page 173-174 > in Guru Narasimha-ji's book. Be careful in using 5(a) and 5(b). 5 (a) > is used for dasa calculations and 5(b) is used for calculating > Arudhapadas etc. > > (1) Ke and Ma need to be judged by rule 5(b) as there is no winner > by rules 1-4. 5(b) says whichever ghara is more advanced in the sign > will get the lordship of Sc. For Ke, 30deg - 1deg58 = 28deg02; for > Ma, 26deg27. Hence, Ke is the lord of Sc. > > (2) Ra and Sa can be judged by rule 4. Ra is in a movable sign and > Sa is in a fixed sign. Strength Order: Dual>Fixed>Movable. Sa is > lord of Aq. Now, Arudhapada of Aq falls in Leo which is 7th from Aq, > which falls under exception. Hence, 10th from Leo will be the A8. > 10th from Le is Ta where Sa is placed. JHora gives the same. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ===================================================================== > > , "govinda108m" > <govinda108m> wrote: > > Dear Rafal and Sourav, > > > > Let me try this in my case. > > > > Data: > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > Time:4.46AM > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > Ltd 45N49 > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > Scorpio. > > If the lord is in that sign take another. Now I > > see, neither Ketu nor Mars are in Scorpio. > > Both are together with 2 more planets in Cancer. > > Jupiter doesn't associate or aspect Mars or Ketu. > > Mercury associates with both. > > Moon, the lord of the sign Ketu and Mars are in, does not > > aspect nor conjoins them. So the next rule. You and Narasimha in > > his book do not mention, but the blog link mentions to see the > > status of the planet, which is litle bit more general rule. > > > > "Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are > > similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the > status > > of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. > should > > be considered to declare the stronger sign. > > " > > > > Mars is debilitated and Ketu is vargottama, so I take > > Ketu. > > > > Would that be OK? > > > > Aquarius. > > First two do not make the winner. > > Jupiter doesn't give ass nor conj to neither. > > Mercury gives rasi dristi to Saturn, and Sturn is > > not aspected by Venus, the lord. So Saturn scores 1. > > Rahu is not aspected by Jupiter, nor Mercury. There is > > graha dristi from Mercury but here we look at rasi dristi. > > Saturn, the lord of Capricorn, aspects Rahu. So 1:1. > > I made mistake here in the last post. If we look at the state > > of the planet, Rahu is in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. > > Saturn is friend with Venus, but I don't know if Rahu is > > friend or what with Capricorn. Its not his own rasi, which > > is Aquarius, its not his exaltation sign, not mulatrikona nor > > debilitation. Rahu is vargottama though. > > Here I stop and need assistance. > > If there is no resolution here, then Saturn is in fixed > > sign and Rahu in Movable, fixed>movable, so Saturn would pervail. > > > > Thank you > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Govinda. > > > > > > Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord > > > for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can > > > experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. > > > > > > 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is in > Sc, > > take Ma) > > > > > > 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke > > > > > > 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord > > > > > > 4. Take exalted Graha > > > > > > 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable > > > > > > 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme > > > > > > 7. Longitude > > > > > > This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa manually. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > - > > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m> > > > <> > > > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saurav, > > > > > > > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. > What > > > > does it stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains > Scorpio > > or > > > > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > The solution is: > > > > > > > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > > > > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > > > > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > > > > and change bhava arudha > > > > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the other > > Lord. > > > > > > > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > > > > > > > Sources: > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > > > > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > > > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > > > > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > > > > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > > > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > > > > > > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > > > > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh > > > > difference > > > > > > > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number of > > > > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets > > > > conjoined is stronger. > > > > > > > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets > then, > > see > > > > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more > comfortable, > > > > and hence stronger > > > > > > > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > > > > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is > > > > stronger > > > > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet then > the > > > > other(in case of equal number of associates), one with > > better > > > > relationship is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > > > > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > > > > > > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of > > > > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet > > within a > > > > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > > > > > > > From there I read: > > > > > > > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), > Pr=def= > > > > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > > > > > > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for > dasa > > > > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. > This is > > > > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu are > > both > > > > in the Lagna. > > > > > > > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord > > > > > > > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > > > > -a sign with more planets is stronger > > > > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is stronger > > > > (rasi aspect) > > > > -status of the planets should be considered > > > > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > > > > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd > > sign is > > > > stronger if its lord is in even sign > > > > -higher dasa period rule > > > > -atmakaraka rule > > > > -degree rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > > > > > > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is > > recapitulation > > > > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > > > > > > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > > > > > > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or > > > > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and > Saturn > > > > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, > > > > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. > The > > > > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration of > its > > > > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > > > > > > > So, > > > > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: > > > > 1.finding arudha pada > > > > 2.duration of rasi dasas > > > > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > > > > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > > > > > > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > > > > Data: > > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > > Time:4.46AM > > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and > > Mercury. > > > > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. > The > > > > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So which > > one is > > > > stronger actually? > > > > > > > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and Rahu > in > > > > 7th, both are alone. > > > > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > > > > > > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords > > Capricorn, > > > > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > > > > > > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > > > > > > > Thank you all > > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, > > > >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of > Ra/Sa > > > >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > > > >> placement > > > >> > > > >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes > the > > > >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are > placed > > > >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets w.r.t > Ra > > > > and > > > >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more > comfortable > > > >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > > >> > > > >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give clear > > > >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > > > >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is > > stronger > > > >> than a planet with no such placement. > > > >> > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > >> > > > >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is > placed > > in > > > >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule > > Aq.And > > > >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, > rules > > > >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > > >> > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > >> > > > >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second > > ownership > > > >> to review my results. > > > >> > > > >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his audio > > > >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in > the > > > >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > > >> > > > >> Best regards, > > > >> > > > >> Sourav > > > >> > > > ==================================================================== > > > >> > > > >> , "govinda108m" > > > >> <govinda108m> wrote: > > > >> > Dear Gurus and Members, > > > >> > Hare Rama Krsna > > > >> > > > > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > > >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > > >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > > >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > > >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > >> > > > > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > > >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava Arudhas. > > > >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > > >> > > > > >> > Please shed some light. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thank you > > > >> > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > said > > that the > > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Govind-ji, Namaskar. Guru-ji's book in not incomplete; but it gives you a hint to get into the details yourself. Take Moolatrikona also as a criterion. A planet in Moolatrikona is more focussed on its duty and hence has more strength. If both Ke and Ma are in Sc take the planet having higher degree of advancement. I personally prefer to take both as co-lords to review some judgements, in close-call cases. It is like you and your room-mate live in a house. You roommate is out of town for a couple of weeks or a month and you are in charge. Only if some major decisions need to be made, you will perhaps like to consult your room-mate but yourself will execute and have the final say. Best regards, Sourav ==================================================================== , "govinda108m" <govinda108m> wrote: > > Dear Sourav, > Namaskar! > > I have two more questions. > First one is to compare two algorithms for finding the > co-lords, the one on the blog page, and the other in Guru Narasimha > ji's book. > > First difference is Guru Narasimha ji takes just exaltation > as the comparison criteria. Only if one planet is exalted and the > other planet is not, this criteria gives the winner. > If both are exalted, or none, then next criteria is applied, > which is simple rule. > > However, the blog link procedure involves comparing not only > exaltation but also other states like moolatrikona and > own sign. Could you comment on that? Or would it be that > only Guru Narasimha ji's book gives the algorithm and blog > is for something else? > > Second question is, what if Ketu and Mars are both in Scorpio. > Then first rule points to both planets, so no winner, so go > to the next rule? > > Thank you very much, > your answer was very clear but let me > solidify it little bit more. > > ys > Govinda > > > > > > Dear Govind-ji, > > Namaskar. The rules are clearly given in page 173- 174 > > in Guru Narasimha-ji's book. Be careful in using 5(a) and 5(b). 5 > (a) > > is used for dasa calculations and 5(b) is used for calculating > > Arudhapadas etc. > > > > (1) Ke and Ma need to be judged by rule 5(b) as there is no winner > > by rules 1-4. 5(b) says whichever ghara is more advanced in the > sign > > will get the lordship of Sc. For Ke, 30deg - 1deg58 = 28deg02; for > > Ma, 26deg27. Hence, Ke is the lord of Sc. > > > > (2) Ra and Sa can be judged by rule 4. Ra is in a movable sign and > > Sa is in a fixed sign. Strength Order: Dual>Fixed>Movable. Sa is > > lord of Aq. Now, Arudhapada of Aq falls in Leo which is 7th from > Aq, > > which falls under exception. Hence, 10th from Leo will be the A8. > > 10th from Le is Ta where Sa is placed. JHora gives the same. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > ===================================================================== > > > > , "govinda108m" > > <govinda108m> wrote: > > > Dear Rafal and Sourav, > > > > > > Let me try this in my case. > > > > > > Data: > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > Time:4.46AM > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > Scorpio. > > > If the lord is in that sign take another. Now I > > > see, neither Ketu nor Mars are in Scorpio. > > > Both are together with 2 more planets in Cancer. > > > Jupiter doesn't associate or aspect Mars or Ketu. > > > Mercury associates with both. > > > Moon, the lord of the sign Ketu and Mars are in, does not > > > aspect nor conjoins them. So the next rule. You and Narasimha in > > > his book do not mention, but the blog link mentions to see the > > > status of the planet, which is litle bit more general rule. > > > > > > "Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they are > > > similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the > > status > > > of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. > > should > > > be considered to declare the stronger sign. > > > " > > > > > > Mars is debilitated and Ketu is vargottama, so I take > > > Ketu. > > > > > > Would that be OK? > > > > > > Aquarius. > > > First two do not make the winner. > > > Jupiter doesn't give ass nor conj to neither. > > > Mercury gives rasi dristi to Saturn, and Sturn is > > > not aspected by Venus, the lord. So Saturn scores 1. > > > Rahu is not aspected by Jupiter, nor Mercury. There is > > > graha dristi from Mercury but here we look at rasi dristi. > > > Saturn, the lord of Capricorn, aspects Rahu. So 1:1. > > > I made mistake here in the last post. If we look at the state > > > of the planet, Rahu is in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. > > > Saturn is friend with Venus, but I don't know if Rahu is > > > friend or what with Capricorn. Its not his own rasi, which > > > is Aquarius, its not his exaltation sign, not mulatrikona nor > > > debilitation. Rahu is vargottama though. > > > Here I stop and need assistance. > > > If there is no resolution here, then Saturn is in fixed > > > sign and Rahu in Movable, fixed>movable, so Saturn would pervail. > > > > > > Thank you > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Govinda. > > > > > > > > Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord > > > > for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can > > > > experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. > > > > > > > > 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is in > > Sc, > > > take Ma) > > > > > > > > 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke > > > > > > > > 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord > > > > > > > > 4. Take exalted Graha > > > > > > > > 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable > > > > > > > > 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme > > > > > > > > 7. Longitude > > > > > > > > This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa manually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m> > > > > <> > > > > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saurav, > > > > > > > > > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of letters. > > What > > > > > does it stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains > > Scorpio > > > or > > > > > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > The solution is: > > > > > > > > > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > > > > > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > > > > > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > > > > > and change bhava arudha > > > > > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the > other > > > Lord. > > > > > > > > > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > > > > > > > > > Sources: > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > > > > > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > > > > > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > > > > > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > > > > > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > > > > > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > > > > > > > > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > > > > > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the strengh > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the number > of > > > > > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more planets > > > > > conjoined is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets > > then, > > > see > > > > > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more > > comfortable, > > > > > and hence stronger > > > > > > > > > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > > > > > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly sign is > > > > > stronger > > > > > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet > then > > the > > > > > other(in case of equal number of associates), one with > > > better > > > > > relationship is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > > > > > > > > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing of > > > > > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger planet > > > within a > > > > > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > > > > > > > > > From there I read: > > > > > > > > > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), > > Pr=def= > > > > > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > > > > > > > > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem for > > dasa > > > > > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. > > This is > > > > > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu > are > > > both > > > > > in the Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the Lord > > > > > > > > > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > > > > > -a sign with more planets is stronger > > > > > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is > stronger > > > > > (rasi aspect) > > > > > -status of the planets should be considered > > > > > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > > > > > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and odd > > > sign is > > > > > stronger if its lord is in even sign > > > > > -higher dasa period rule > > > > > -atmakaraka rule > > > > > -degree rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > > > > > > > > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is > > > recapitulation > > > > > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > > > > > > > > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > > > > > > > > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in Scorpio or > > > > > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu and > > Saturn > > > > > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a typo, > > > > > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha pada. > > The > > > > > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the duration > of > > its > > > > > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used for: > > > > > 1.finding arudha pada > > > > > 2.duration of rasi dasas > > > > > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > > > > > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > > > > > > > > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > > > > > Data: > > > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > > > Time:4.46AM > > > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > > > > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun and > > > Mercury. > > > > > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger lord. > > The > > > > > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So > which > > > one is > > > > > stronger actually? > > > > > > > > > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and > Rahu > > in > > > > > 7th, both are alone. > > > > > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords > > > Capricorn, > > > > > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all > > > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, > > > > >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength of > > Ra/Sa > > > > >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any (ii) > > > > >> placement > > > > >> > > > > >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra takes > > the > > > > >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or are > > placed > > > > >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets > w.r.t > > Ra > > > > > and > > > > >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more > > comfortable > > > > >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > > > >> > > > > >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give > clear > > > > >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > > > > >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet is > > > stronger > > > > >> than a planet with no such placement. > > > > >> > > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > >> > > > > >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is > > placed > > > in > > > > >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will rule > > > Aq.And > > > > >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in Aq, > > rules > > > > >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > > > >> > > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > >> > > > > >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second > > > ownership > > > > >> to review my results. > > > > >> > > > > >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his > audio > > > > >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com in > > the > > > > >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > > > >> > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > >> > > > > >> Sourav > > > > >> > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > >> > > > > >> , "govinda108m" > > > > >> <govinda108m> wrote: > > > > >> > Dear Gurus and Members, > > > > >> > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > > > >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > > > >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > > > >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > > > >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > > > >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava > Arudhas. > > > > >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the lord. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Please shed some light. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thank you > > > > >> > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > Krishna' > > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > > said > > > that the > > > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > > reading today > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Thank you, Sourav ji and Rafal ji, very much! > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Govind-ji, > Namaskar. Guru-ji's book in not incomplete; but it > gives you a hint to get into the details yourself. Take Moolatrikona > also as a criterion. A planet in Moolatrikona is more focussed on > its duty and hence has more strength. If both Ke and Ma are in Sc > take the planet having higher degree of advancement. > > I personally prefer to take both as co-lords to review some > judgements, in close-call cases. It is like you and your room-mate > live in a house. You roommate is out of town for a couple of weeks > or a month and you are in charge. Only if some major decisions need > to be made, you will perhaps like to consult your room-mate but > yourself will execute and have the final say. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > ==================================================================== > > , "govinda108m" > <govinda108m> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav, > > Namaskar! > > > > I have two more questions. > > First one is to compare two algorithms for finding the > > co-lords, the one on the blog page, and the other in Guru > Narasimha > > ji's book. > > > > First difference is Guru Narasimha ji takes just exaltation > > as the comparison criteria. Only if one planet is exalted and the > > other planet is not, this criteria gives the winner. > > If both are exalted, or none, then next criteria is applied, > > which is simple rule. > > > > However, the blog link procedure involves comparing not only > > exaltation but also other states like moolatrikona and > > own sign. Could you comment on that? Or would it be that > > only Guru Narasimha ji's book gives the algorithm and blog > > is for something else? > > > > Second question is, what if Ketu and Mars are both in Scorpio. > > Then first rule points to both planets, so no winner, so go > > to the next rule? > > > > Thank you very much, > > your answer was very clear but let me > > solidify it little bit more. > > > > ys > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Govind-ji, > > > Namaskar. The rules are clearly given in page 173- > 174 > > > in Guru Narasimha-ji's book. Be careful in using 5(a) and 5(b). 5 > > (a) > > > is used for dasa calculations and 5(b) is used for calculating > > > Arudhapadas etc. > > > > > > (1) Ke and Ma need to be judged by rule 5(b) as there is no > winner > > > by rules 1-4. 5(b) says whichever ghara is more advanced in the > > sign > > > will get the lordship of Sc. For Ke, 30deg - 1deg58 = 28deg02; > for > > > Ma, 26deg27. Hence, Ke is the lord of Sc. > > > > > > (2) Ra and Sa can be judged by rule 4. Ra is in a movable sign > and > > > Sa is in a fixed sign. Strength Order: Dual>Fixed>Movable. Sa is > > > lord of Aq. Now, Arudhapada of Aq falls in Leo which is 7th from > > Aq, > > > which falls under exception. Hence, 10th from Leo will be the > A8. > > > 10th from Le is Ta where Sa is placed. JHora gives the same. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > > > > > , "govinda108m" > > > <govinda108m> wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal and Sourav, > > > > > > > > Let me try this in my case. > > > > > > > > Data: > > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > > Time:4.46AM > > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > > > Scorpio. > > > > If the lord is in that sign take another. Now I > > > > see, neither Ketu nor Mars are in Scorpio. > > > > Both are together with 2 more planets in Cancer. > > > > Jupiter doesn't associate or aspect Mars or Ketu. > > > > Mercury associates with both. > > > > Moon, the lord of the sign Ketu and Mars are in, does not > > > > aspect nor conjoins them. So the next rule. You and Narasimha > in > > > > his book do not mention, but the blog link mentions to see the > > > > status of the planet, which is litle bit more general rule. > > > > > > > > "Rule-3: If the signs have equal number of planets and they > are > > > > similarly aspected by Jupiter, Mercury and the lord, then the > > > status > > > > of the planets like exaltation, Mulatrikona, Svakshetra etc. > > > should > > > > be considered to declare the stronger sign. > > > > " > > > > > > > > Mars is debilitated and Ketu is vargottama, so I take > > > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > Would that be OK? > > > > > > > > Aquarius. > > > > First two do not make the winner. > > > > Jupiter doesn't give ass nor conj to neither. > > > > Mercury gives rasi dristi to Saturn, and Sturn is > > > > not aspected by Venus, the lord. So Saturn scores 1. > > > > Rahu is not aspected by Jupiter, nor Mercury. There is > > > > graha dristi from Mercury but here we look at rasi dristi. > > > > Saturn, the lord of Capricorn, aspects Rahu. So 1:1. > > > > I made mistake here in the last post. If we look at the state > > > > of the planet, Rahu is in Capricorn and Saturn in Taurus. > > > > Saturn is friend with Venus, but I don't know if Rahu is > > > > friend or what with Capricorn. Its not his own rasi, which > > > > is Aquarius, its not his exaltation sign, not mulatrikona nor > > > > debilitation. Rahu is vargottama though. > > > > Here I stop and need assistance. > > > > If there is no resolution here, then Saturn is in fixed > > > > sign and Rahu in Movable, fixed>movable, so Saturn would > pervail. > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Govinda. > > > > > > > > > > Here are the list which computes stronger of the lord > > > > > for Narayana dasa and Arudha scheme. You can > > > > > experiment with JH and see how it count it to check. > > > > > > > > > > 1. If Lord is in that sign then take another lord (If Ke is > in > > > Sc, > > > > take Ma) > > > > > > > > > > 2. See number of Grahas with Ma or Ke > > > > > > > > > > 3. See if that Graha is aspected by Jup / Merc / Lord > > > > > > > > > > 4. Take exalted Graha > > > > > > > > > > 5. Dual sign > Fixed > Movable > > > > > > > > > > 6. More years in Narayana dasa scheme > > > > > > > > > > 7. Longitude > > > > > > > > > > This is list I have when I was computing Narayana dasa > manually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m> > > > > > <> > > > > > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 PM > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Co-lords of Aquarius and > Scorpio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Saurav, > > > > > > > > > > > > You mentioned in your answer "w.r.t." sequence of > letters. > > > What > > > > > > does it stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem is to find the lord of a house which contains > > > Scorpio > > > > or > > > > > > Aquarius. > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution is: > > > > > > > > > > > > A)Both Lords lord at the same time > > > > > > B)One is more dominating, the one which is stronger > > > > > > C)Lords give their respective results dependent on dasa, > > > > > > and change bhava arudha > > > > > > D)Even if one Lord is stronger, see the results with the > > other > > > > Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alogorithm to find stronger Lord. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sources: > > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's book Vedic Astrology-In App > > > > > > 5.Narasimha's Boston lectures > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.Rafal > > > > > > -see which planet in a pair associates with more grahas > > > > > > -see which planet associates with Mercury or Jupiter > > > > > > -compare avastha of grahas in question > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.Sourav > > > > > > find which one within a given pair of planets is stronger > > > > > > > > > > > > -if one of the planets is placed in the sign in question, > > > > > > the other planet will be the lord, no matter of the > strengh > > > > > > difference > > > > > > > > > > > > -if both planets are outside the sign, then count the > number > > of > > > > > > planets each planet is conjoined with. One with more > planets > > > > > > conjoined is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > -if both planets associate with the same number of planets > > > then, > > > > see > > > > > > the nature of planets w.r.t and see which one is more > > > comfortable, > > > > > > and hence stronger > > > > > > > > > > > > -if this doesn't give clear answer, see the sign placement > > > > > > a)planet in exaltation, moolatrikoina or friendly > sign is > > > > > > stronger > > > > > > b)if one planet associates with more friendly planet > > then > > > the > > > > > > other(in case of equal number of associates), one > with > > > > better > > > > > > relationship is stronger. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.Blog link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2004_11_15_varahamihira_archive.html > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume you meant this link. It pertains to the computing > of > > > > > > Narayana Dasa but mentiones determining the stronger > planet > > > > within a > > > > > > pair Ra/Sa Ke/Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > From there I read: > > > > > > > > > > > > Let P=(a,b) be a given pair of planets, Pk=def=(Ke,Ma)), > > > Pr=def= > > > > > > (Ra,Sa); P={Pk,Pr} > > > > > > > > > > > > -if a,b are both in the same sign, there is no problem > for > > > dasa > > > > > > period, but I see the problem for the lords determination. > > > This is > > > > > > actually my case. My fifth house is Scorpio, Mars and Ketu > > are > > > > both > > > > > > in the Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > -if a(b) is in the sign and b somewhere else, b(a) is the > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > -if a, b are not in the sigh, we determine stronger sign > > > > > > -a sign with more planets is stronger > > > > > > -sign asspected by Mercury, Jupiter or its Lord is > > stronger > > > > > > (rasi aspect) > > > > > > -status of the planets should be considered > > > > > > -dual signs>fixed signs>movable signs > > > > > > -even sign is stronger if its lord is in odd sign and > odd > > > > sign is > > > > > > stronger if its lord is in even sign > > > > > > -higher dasa period rule > > > > > > -atmakaraka rule > > > > > > -degree rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4.Narasimha's Book > > > > > > > > > > > > Page 173 has the paragraf "Stronger Co-Lord" which is > > > > recapitulation > > > > > > of the blog link with one slight differnce. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will copy the beginning of the paragraph: > > > > > > > > > > > > "When we find the arudha pada of a house falling in > Scorpio or > > > > > > Aquarius, we need to find the stronger of Mars and Ketu > and > > > Saturn > > > > > > and Rahu. The stronger lord ACTS ITS LORD(here must be a > typo, > > > > > > suggestion "acts AS its lord") and decides the arudha > pada. > > > The > > > > > > stronger lord of Sc/Aq is also used in finding the > duration > > of > > > its > > > > > > dasa in many rasi dasas such as Narayana dasa" > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > The procedure of finding stronger lord for Sc/Aq is used > for: > > > > > > 1.finding arudha pada > > > > > > 2.duration of rasi dasas > > > > > > 3.analyzing influence of the lord of a house containing > > > > > > Scorpio/Aquarius signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me now apply this knowledge in my case. > > > > > > Data: > > > > > > Date:July 30th 1972 > > > > > > Time:4.46AM > > > > > > Place: Lng 16E02 > > > > > > Ltd 45N49 > > > > > > Time zone:+1(Zagreb, Croatia, ex Yugoslavia) > > > > > > > > > > > > Scorpio is in 5th and Mars and Ketu are in Lagna with Sun > and > > > > Mercury. > > > > > > This is situation not discussed as per finding stronger > lord. > > > The > > > > > > situation for rasi dasa computation is given, though. So > > which > > > > one is > > > > > > stronger actually? > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me apply it to Aquarius. Saturn is in 11th house and > > Rahu > > > in > > > > > > 7th, both are alone. > > > > > > Aquarius is 8th house, Cancer Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > I see Rahu in Capricorn rasi-asspected by Saturn who lords > > > > Capricorn, > > > > > > so Rahu is Stronger then Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be said for 8th house if the lord is in 7th? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you all > > > > > > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Govind-ji, > > > > > >> Namaskar. The rule is to judge the strength > of > > > Ra/Sa > > > > > >> and Ke/Ma by (i) association with other planets if any > (ii) > > > > > >> placement > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If Ra is conjoined with more planets than Sa, then Ra > takes > > > the > > > > > >> ownership of Aq. If Ra and Sa are placed alone each or > are > > > placed > > > > > >> with equal number of planets, see the nature of planets > > w.r.t > > > Ra > > > > > > and > > > > > >> Sa and see which one of them (i.e. Ra and Sa) is more > > > comfortable > > > > > >> and hence stronger. Then the stronger of them will own Aq. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> In case the above rule is not applicable or doesn't give > > clear > > > > > >> results, see the sign placement. A planet in exaltation, > > > > > >> moolatrikona or friendly sign or with a friendly planet > is > > > > stronger > > > > > >> than a planet with no such placement. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The overriding rule to all of the above is that if Sa is > > > placed > > > > in > > > > > >> Aq, no matter how much Sa is stronger than Ra, Ra will > rule > > > > Aq.And > > > > > >> vice versa. Hence placement of a planet (i.e. Ra/Sa) in > Aq, > > > rules > > > > > >> out its ownership and gives ownership to other planet. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The same rule applies to Ke/Ma. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Having said all this, personally I always consider second > > > > ownership > > > > > >> to review my results. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This theory is discussed by Guru Narasimha-ji during his > > audio > > > > > >> class. It is also given in www.varahamihira.blogspot.com > in > > > the > > > > > >> archives somewhere (at the end of one of the articles). > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sourav > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > > >> > > > > > >> , "govinda108m" > > > > > >> <govinda108m> wrote: > > > > > >> > Dear Gurus and Members, > > > > > >> > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I'm reading Vedic Astrology-IP, by Narasimha Rao, and > > > > > >> > cannot find the answer to this question, namely > > > > > >> > if a house contains Scorpio or Aquarius signs, which > > > > > >> > planet lords this house, since Scorpio is lorded by > > > > > >> > Ketu and Mars, and Aquarius by Rahu and Saturn. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On the page 75 there is instruction about finding > > > > > >> > stronger lord in connection to computation of Bhava > > Arudhas. > > > > > >> > I don't know if this could be applied to finding the > lord. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Please shed some light. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Thank you > > > > > >> > Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > > > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > > > Krishna' > > > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great > who > > > said > > > > that the > > > > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart > > > > reading today > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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