Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Visitiji: I have Ketu in the 4th from karakamsa, in the Navamsa chart. Can I safely say that I have a good chance to get out of the 'wheel of time' as you have explained below ? Hare Krishna Nandkumar PS: .Jhd file attached for your kind perusal and insightful comments.Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Ketu is the only one who takes one out of the ‘wheel of time’ also known as the Kala Chakra, hence he gives moksha. As for Upapada and punya chakra, upasana, etc. Sri Krishna states that one who is a jeevan-mukti in this birth will surely get moksha. So if one has performed serious upasana and become a jeevanmukti through this, then one can get moksha. An indication of the natural direction of the mind can be seen from the Chandra-upapada of the Janma-Jataka (birth chart). A Prasna Jataka will reveal what is the current direction so far, and the Punya Chakra (death chart), will reveal where the mind was at the time of death, and hence which loka one will go to. From the janma-jataka we suggest remedies to make the direction better, and we can check this direction with time using the prasna jataka. Jaimini also talks about the adhana chakra in this regard, which is the chart for conception. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz31 August 2005 23:42To: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka Dear Sourav,> 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul,> if benefics are there then You are on good way..".>> Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so> here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet?> Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet?Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics.Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place.Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position.>> Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from> Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa?Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction.>> 2.You have said "where we go after death should be> seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple> example? What is the combination for which after death> one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither New">> gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"?Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good.See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument! New">Regards Rafal Gendarz>> Regards,> Sourav>> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:>>> > Dear Sourav> 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada> from Moon.> 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while> Upasanamsa is about Your> sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul> matters are seen in> Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past> birth is also seen in> Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara.> I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of> soul, if benefics are> there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa> indicate if You will> liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta !> Regards> Rafal Gendarz New">>> - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> <>> Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka>>>> Dear Gurus,>>>> I want to ask that:->>>> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives>> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the>> Native?>>>> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not>> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha>> yoga"?>>>> Regards,>> Sourav>>>> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:>>>>> Dear Rama,>>> New">>>> Comments below.>>>>>> Regards,>>> Rafal Gendarz>>>>>>>>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no>>> more birth / death'?>>>>>> Moksha - liberation.>>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation)>>>>>> >>>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a>>> mokshakaraka?>>>>>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL>>> desires to get Moksha.>>>>>> >>>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna />>> moon give moksha for sure?>>>>>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from>>> Karakamsa.>>>>>> >>>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ?>>>>>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha.>>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples,>>> Pisces - Caves)>>>>>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna>>> says ' YadgattvA>>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'.>>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon?>>>>>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our>>> "why not".>>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ?>>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ?>>>>>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for> moksha,>>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and>>> parampara to attain success.>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ~ om tat sat ~>>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>>> Achyuta Ashram.>>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra> 'Hare>>> Rama Krishna'>>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>>> Great who said that the human stomach should not>>> become a graveyard for animals.>>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one New">>>> free chart reading today>>> > Links>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> __>> Start your day with - make it your home page>> http://www./r/hs>>>>>>>>>>'>http://www./r/hs>>>>>>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~>> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram.>> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'>> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great who said that the>> human stomach should not become a graveyard for> animals.>> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> free chart reading today>> Links>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New">>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great who said that the human stomach should not> become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free New">> chart reading today>>>> > Vedic> Vedic astrology New">> Sjc> Jyotish>>> > >>> Visit your group "" on the web. New">>> > >> Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service.>>> >>>>>>> __> Start your day with - make it your home page> http://www./r/hs>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today> Links>>>>>>>>> Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Attachment: (application/octet-stream) NANDKUMAR.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nandkumar, Namaskar The planets in the fourth from karakamsa give an idea as to which direction the person is on, i.e. the Gati. This is seen from the fourth house, which is the house of the mother... hence Adi Sankaras statement; “Gatistvam Gatistvam Tvam Eka Bhavani...” With Ketu, Moon or Venus in the fourth, the Gati is towards mukti, but the Istha Devata must finally grant this to you. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Nandkumar Chinai 01 September 2005 19:32 [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka--> Vistiji 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">Dear Visitiji: 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">I have Ketu in the 4th from karakamsa, in the Navamsa chart. Can I safely say that I have a good chance to get out of the 'wheel of time' as you have explained below ? 12.0pt"> Hare Krishna 12.0pt">Nandkumar 12.0pt"> 12.0pt">PS: .Jhd file attached for your kind perusal and insightful comments. Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> "Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Ketu is the only one who takes one out of the ‘wheel of time’ also known as the Kala Chakra, hence he gives moksha. As for Upapada and punya chakra, upasana, etc. color:navy">Sri Krishna states that one who is a jeevan-mukti in this birth will surely get moksha. So if one has performed serious upasana and become a jeevanmukti through this, then one can get moksha. An indication of the natural direction of the mind can be seen from the Chandra-upapada of the Janma-Jataka (birth chart). A Prasna Jataka will reveal what is the current direction so far, and the Punya Chakra (death chart), will reveal where the mind was at the time of death, and hence which loka one will go to. From the janma-jataka we suggest remedies to make the direction better, and we can check this direction with time using the prasna jataka. Jaimini also talks about the adhana chakra in this regard, which is the chart for conception. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 31 August 2005 23:42 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka 12.0pt"> Dear Sourav, > 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, > if benefics are there then You are on good way..". > > Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so > here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet? > Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet? Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics. Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place. Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position. > > Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from > Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa? Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction. > > 2.You have said "where we go after death should be > seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple > example? What is the combination for which after death > one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither > gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"? Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good. See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument! Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada > from Moon. > 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while > Upasanamsa is about Your > sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul > matters are seen in > Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past > birth is also seen in > Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. > I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of > soul, if benefics are > there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa > indicate if You will > liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > <> > Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > >> Dear Gurus, >> >> I want to ask that:- >> >> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives >> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the >> Native? >> >> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not >> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha >> yoga"? >> >> Regards, >> Sourav >> >> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rama, >>> >>> Comments below. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >>> more birth / death'? >>> >>> Moksha - liberation. >>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >>> >>> > >>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >>> mokshakaraka? >>> >>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >>> desires to get Moksha. >>> >>> > >>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >>> moon give moksha for sure? >>> >>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >>> Karakamsa. >>> >>> > >>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >>> >>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >>> Pisces - Caves) >>> >>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >>> says ' YadgattvA >>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >>> >>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >>> "why not". >>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >>> >>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, >>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >>> parampara to attain success. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ om tat sat ~ >>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >>> Achyuta Ashram. >>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare >>> Rama Krishna' >>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >>> Great who said that the human stomach should not >>> become a graveyard for animals. >>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >>> free chart reading today >>> > Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Start your day with - make it your home page >> http://www./r/hs >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart reading today 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> > > > > > Vedic > Vedic astrology > Sjc 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> > Jyotish > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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