Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Hare Krsna -- Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no more birth / death'? Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a mokshakaraka? Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / moon give moksha for sure? Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna says ' YadgattvA nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? Pls give me some pointers where to get the info, if possible. Thanks in advance, regards -RAma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Rama, Comments below. Regards, Rafal Gendarz > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no more birth / death'? Moksha - liberation. Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a mokshakaraka? Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL desires to get Moksha. > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / moon give moksha for sure? No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from Karakamsa. > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, Pisces - Caves) > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna says ' YadgattvA> nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our "why not". Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and parampara to attain success. > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home page> http://us.click./dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM> --~-> > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links> > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > <*> > > > <*> Your use of is subject to:> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hare Krsna Rafal -- Thanks for your time and comments. 1. So does a ketu in 4th or 12th from karakamsa liberate for sure? or he would only provide an opportunity for the respective human to get liberated (cuz the human's karma has to play a role too) 2. Could you pls give me some pointers or links that give in detail why only ketu and not other planets. True that Parasara / jaimini mentioned it, but I am just trying to look into more details. Thanks again, regards -RAma , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > Dear Rama, > > Comments below. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no more birth / death'? > > Moksha - liberation. > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a mokshakaraka? > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL desires to get Moksha. > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / moon give moksha for sure? > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from Karakamsa. > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, Pisces - Caves) > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna says ' YadgattvA > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our "why not". > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dear Gurus, I want to ask that:- 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the Native? 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha yoga"? Regards, Sourav --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > Dear Rama, > > Comments below. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no > more birth / death'? > > Moksha - liberation. > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a > mokshakaraka? > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL > desires to get Moksha. > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / > moon give moksha for sure? > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from > Karakamsa. > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, > Pisces - Caves) > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna > says ' YadgattvA > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our > "why not". > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, > and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and > parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 1.they open the door for liberation, more is seen from Punya chart when they pass away. regards Rafal Gendarz - "RAma Vootla" <vsra_prasad <> Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:04 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mokshakaraka Hare Krsna Rafal -- Thanks for your time and comments. 1. So does a ketu in 4th or 12th from karakamsa liberate for sure? or he would only provide an opportunity for the respective human to get liberated (cuz the human's karma has to play a role too) 2. Could you pls give me some pointers or links that give in detail why only ketu and not other planets. True that Parasara / jaimini mentioned it, but I am just trying to look into more details. Thanks again, regards -RAma , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > Dear Rama, > > Comments below. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no more birth / death'? > > Moksha - liberation. > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a mokshakaraka? > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL desires to get Moksha. > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / moon give moksha for sure? > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from Karakamsa. > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, Pisces - Caves) > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna says ' YadgattvA > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our "why not". > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Dear Sourav 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon. 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while Upasanamsa is about Your sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul matters are seen in Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past birth is also seen in Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, if benefics are there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa indicate if You will liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 <> Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > Dear Gurus, > > I want to ask that:- > > 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives > Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the > Native? > > 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not > in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha > yoga"? > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > >> Dear Rama, >> >> Comments below. >> >> Regards, >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> >> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >> more birth / death'? >> >> Moksha - liberation. >> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >> >> > >> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >> mokshakaraka? >> >> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >> desires to get Moksha. >> >> > >> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >> moon give moksha for sure? >> >> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >> Karakamsa. >> >> > >> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >> >> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >> Pisces - Caves) >> >> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >> says ' YadgattvA >> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >> >> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >> "why not". >> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >> >> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, >> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >> parampara to attain success. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ om tat sat ~ >> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >> Achyuta Ashram. >> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare >> Rama Krishna' >> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >> Great who said that the human stomach should not >> become a graveyard for animals. >> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >> free chart reading today >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 shastyamsa is of course d-60 not d-30 hence typo.. - "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme <> Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:34 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > Dear Sourav > 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon. > 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while Upasanamsa is about Your > sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul matters are seen in > Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past birth is also seen in > Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. > I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, if benefics are > there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa indicate if You will > liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 > <> > Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > >> Dear Gurus, >> >> I want to ask that:- >> >> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives >> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the >> Native? >> >> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not >> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha >> yoga"? >> >> Regards, >> Sourav >> >> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: >> >>> Dear Rama, >>> >>> Comments below. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >>> more birth / death'? >>> >>> Moksha - liberation. >>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >>> >>> > >>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >>> mokshakaraka? >>> >>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >>> desires to get Moksha. >>> >>> > >>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >>> moon give moksha for sure? >>> >>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >>> Karakamsa. >>> >>> > >>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >>> >>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >>> Pisces - Caves) >>> >>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >>> says ' YadgattvA >>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >>> >>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >>> "why not". >>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >>> >>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, >>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >>> parampara to attain success. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ om tat sat ~ >>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >>> Achyuta Ashram. >>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare >>> Rama Krishna' >>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >>> Great who said that the human stomach should not >>> become a graveyard for animals. >>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >>> free chart reading today >>> > Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Start your day with - make it your home page >> http://www./r/hs >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading >> today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Yes sure. I dont look at Upapada's in other charts. - Samir Shah Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:51 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarYou wrote: 1. Where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon.Is this in the Natal Rasi chart?Thank you,Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 What if Ketu is aspecting the 12th house from Karakmsa can this also be taken a Mokshakaraka? Also what if the 12th lord for Karakmsa is fallen in second from Karakmsa, what does this mean? Regards, ShrutiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Yes sure. I dont look at Upapada's in other charts. - Samir Shah Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:51 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarYou wrote: 1. Where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon.Is this in the Natal Rasi chart?Thank you,Samir Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Dear Rafalji, Though you have answered my queries clearly, but I have only one doubt - 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, if benefics are there then You are on good way..". Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet? Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet? Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa? 2.You have said "where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple example? What is the combination for which after death one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"? Regards, Sourav --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: Dear Sourav 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada from Moon. 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while Upasanamsa is about Your sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul matters are seen in Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past birth is also seen in Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, if benefics are there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa indicate if You will liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! Regards Rafal Gendarz - "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 <> Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > Dear Gurus, > > I want to ask that:- > > 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives > Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the > Native? > > 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not > in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha > yoga"? > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > >> Dear Rama, >> >> Comments below. >> >> Regards, >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> >> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >> more birth / death'? >> >> Moksha - liberation. >> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >> >> > >> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >> mokshakaraka? >> >> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >> desires to get Moksha. >> >> > >> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >> moon give moksha for sure? >> >> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >> Karakamsa. >> >> > >> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >> >> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >> Pisces - Caves) >> >> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >> says ' YadgattvA >> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >> >> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >> "why not". >> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >> >> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, >> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >> parampara to attain success. >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ~ om tat sat ~ >> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >> Achyuta Ashram. >> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare >> Rama Krishna' >> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >> Great who said that the human stomach should not >> become a graveyard for animals. >> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >> free chart reading today >> > Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Vedic Vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish Visit your group "" on the web. Terms of Service. __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Dear Sourav, > 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, > if benefics are there then You are on good way..". > > Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so > here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet? > Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet? Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics. Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place. Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position. > > Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from > Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa? Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction. > > 2.You have said "where we go after death should be > seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple > example? What is the combination for which after death > one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither > gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"? Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good. See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument! Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada > from Moon. > 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while > Upasanamsa is about Your > sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul > matters are seen in > Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past > birth is also seen in > Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. > I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of > soul, if benefics are > there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa > indicate if You will > liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 > <> > Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > >> Dear Gurus, >> >> I want to ask that:- >> >> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives >> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the >> Native? >> >> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not >> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha >> yoga"? >> >> Regards, >> Sourav >> >> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: >> >>> Dear Rama, >>> >>> Comments below. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >>> more birth / death'? >>> >>> Moksha - liberation. >>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >>> >>> > >>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >>> mokshakaraka? >>> >>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >>> desires to get Moksha. >>> >>> > >>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >>> moon give moksha for sure? >>> >>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >>> Karakamsa. >>> >>> > >>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >>> >>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >>> Pisces - Caves) >>> >>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >>> says ' YadgattvA >>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >>> >>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >>> "why not". >>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >>> >>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, >>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >>> parampara to attain success. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ om tat sat ~ >>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >>> Achyuta Ashram. >>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare >>> Rama Krishna' >>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >>> Great who said that the human stomach should not >>> become a graveyard for animals. >>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >>> free chart reading today >>> > Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Start your day with - make it your home page >> http://www./r/hs >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart reading today > > > > > Vedic > Vedic astrology > Sjc > Jyotish > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar Sorry, I'm confused. When I asked if you used the upapada from the Moon of the natal rasi chart, you said yes (I asked because it seemed a bit strange to use the natal chart for that). Did you mean punya rasi chart, like you've done below? Best wishes, Samir At 00:42 01/09/2005, you wrote: Dear Sourav, > 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, > if benefics are there then You are on good way..". > > Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so > here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet? > Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet? Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics. Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place. Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position. > > Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from > Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa? Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction. > > 2.You have said "where we go after death should be > seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple > example? What is the combination for which after death > one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither > gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"? Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good. See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument! Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada > from Moon. > 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while > Upasanamsa is about Your > sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul > matters are seen in > Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past > birth is also seen in > Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. > I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of > soul, if benefics are > there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa > indicate if You will > liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > <> > Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > >> Dear Gurus, >> >> I want to ask that:- >> >> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives >> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the >> Native? >> >> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not >> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha >> yoga"? >> >> Regards, >> Sourav >> >> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rama, >>> >>> Comments below. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >>> more birth / death'? >>> >>> Moksha - liberation. >>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >>> >>> > >>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >>> mokshakaraka? >>> >>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >>> desires to get Moksha. >>> >>> > >>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >>> moon give moksha for sure? >>> >>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >>> Karakamsa. >>> >>> > >>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >>> >>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >>> Pisces - Caves) >>> >>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >>> says ' YadgattvA >>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >>> >>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >>> "why not". >>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >>> >>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, >>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >>> parampara to attain success. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ om tat sat ~ >>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >>> Achyuta Ashram. >>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare >>> Rama Krishna' >>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >>> Great who said that the human stomach should not >>> become a graveyard for animals. >>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >>> free chart reading today >>> > Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Start your day with - make it your home page >> http://www./r/hs >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart reading today > > > > > Vedic > Vedic astrology > Sjc > Jyotish > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Samir, Upapada from Moon I take in Rasi Natal. If I want to see exactly if person will be ghost I take Punya. Regards Rafal Gendarz - Samir Shah Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:18 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarSorry, I'm confused. When I asked if you used the upapada from the Moon of the natal rasi chart, you said yes (I asked because it seemed a bit strange to use the natal chart for that).Did you mean punya rasi chart, like you've done below?Best wishes,Samir At 00:42 01/09/2005, you wrote: Dear Sourav,> 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul,> if benefics are there then You are on good way..".>> Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so> here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet?> Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet?Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics.Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place.Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position.>> Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from> Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa?Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction.>> 2.You have said "where we go after death should be> seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple> example? What is the combination for which after death> one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither> gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"?Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good.See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument!Regards Rafal Gendarz>> Regards,> Sourav>> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:>>> > Dear Sourav> 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada> from Moon.> 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while> Upasanamsa is about Your> sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul> matters are seen in> Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past> birth is also seen in> Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara.> I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of> soul, if benefics are> there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa> indicate if You will> liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta !> Regards> Rafal Gendarz>> - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> <>> Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka>>>> Dear Gurus,>>>> I want to ask that:->>>> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives>> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the>> Native?>>>> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not>> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha>> yoga"?>>>> Regards,>> Sourav>>>> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:>>>>> Dear Rama,>>>>>> Comments below.>>>>>> Regards,>>> Rafal Gendarz>>>>>>>>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no>>> more birth / death'?>>>>>> Moksha - liberation.>>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation)>>>>>> >>>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a>>> mokshakaraka?>>>>>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL>>> desires to get Moksha.>>>>>> >>>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna />>> moon give moksha for sure?>>>>>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from>>> Karakamsa.>>>>>> >>>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ?>>>>>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha.>>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples,>>> Pisces - Caves)>>>>>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna>>> says ' YadgattvA>>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'.>>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon?>>>>>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our>>> "why not".>>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ?>>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ?>>>>>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for> moksha,>>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and>>> parampara to attain success.>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ~ om tat sat ~>>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>>> Achyuta Ashram.>>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra> 'Hare>>> Rama Krishna'>>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>>> Great who said that the human stomach should not>>> become a graveyard for animals.>>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one>>> free chart reading today>>> > Links>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> __>> Start your day with - make it your home page>> http://www./r/hs>>>>>>>>>>'>http://www./r/hs>>>>>>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~>> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram.>> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'>> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great who said that the>> human stomach should not become a graveyard for> animals.>> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> free chart reading today>> Links>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great who said that the human stomach should not> become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free> chart reading today>>>> > Vedic> Vedic astrology> Sjc> Jyotish>>> > >>> Visit your group "" on the web.>> To from this group, send an email to:> >> Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service.>>> >>>>>>> __> Start your day with - make it your home page> http://www./r/hs>>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today> Links>>>>>>>>> ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 "Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Rafal, Namaskar Ketu is the only one who takes one out of the ‘wheel of time’ also known as the Kala Chakra, hence he gives moksha. As for Upapada and punya chakra, upasana, etc. color:navy">Sri Krishna states that one who is a jeevan-mukti in this birth will surely get moksha. So if one has performed serious upasana and become a jeevanmukti through this, then one can get moksha. An indication of the natural direction of the mind can be seen from the Chandra-upapada of the Janma-Jataka (birth chart). A Prasna Jataka will reveal what is the current direction so far, and the Punya Chakra (death chart), will reveal where the mind was at the time of death, and hence which loka one will go to. From the janma-jataka we suggest remedies to make the direction better, and we can check this direction with time using the prasna jataka. Jaimini also talks about the adhana chakra in this regard, which is the chart for conception. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 31 August 2005 23:42 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka 12.0pt"> Dear Sourav, > 1.You have said "...4 from Karakamsa for Way of soul, > if benefics are there then You are on good way..". > > Ketu in 4'th from Karakamsa makes Moksha yoga - so > here Ketu acts as a benefic or a malefic planet? > Is not Ketu a natural malefic planet? Ketu is for Moksha, I think Jaimini lists Ketu between benefics. Mars, Rahu & Saturn are problematic in these place. Rahu as Atmakaraka can also be problematic depends on position. > > Also which is good for Moksha - Only Ketu in 4'th from > Karakamsa or Ketu+Ju/Ve in 4'th from karakamsa? Ketu is sufficient for this Yoga, Venus & Jupiter gives good direction. > > 2.You have said "where we go after death should be > seen in Upapada from Moon" - Could you give any simple > example? What is the combination for which after death > one's Atma becomes a "Ghost" on the Earth - neither > gets "Moksha" nor takes "rebirth"? Rahu in Punya Lagna indicate birth as a ghost If my rememberance is good. See the planet which lording the Upapada from Moon, Mercury and Saturn gives hell, this is from Deva Keralam and this I think is not sufficient. Guruji has some other secrets...Upapada is giving...Moon is Mind..Giving of Mind is focus..so where Your mind is in the moment of death..then You go there per Bhagavad Gita. But there could be mercy of Krsna through Upasana done in life. There must be something more..I think Prasna would be valuable instrument! Regards Rafal Gendarz > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav > 1. where we go after death should be seen in Upapada > from Moon. > 2. rasi is about material manifestation, while > Upasanamsa is about Your > sadhana and spiritual aspiration & attitude, soul > matters are seen in > Dharmamsa(d-9) and Shastyamsa (d-30), while our past > birth is also seen in > Drekkana per Varahamihira & Parasara. > I was taught to look at 4 from Karakamsa for Way of > soul, if benefics are > there then You are on good way. 12 from Karakamsa > indicate if You will > liberate & who will liberate You hence Ishta ! > Regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "Sourav Guchhait" <sourav6282 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > <> > Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:50 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > >> Dear Gurus, >> >> I want to ask that:- >> >> 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives >> Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the >> Native? >> >> 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not >> in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha >> yoga"? >> >> Regards, >> Sourav >> >> --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rama, >>> >>> Comments below. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rafal Gendarz >>> >>> >>> > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no >>> more birth / death'? >>> >>> Moksha - liberation. >>> Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) >>> >>> > >>> > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a >>> mokshakaraka? >>> >>> Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL >>> desires to get Moksha. >>> >>> > >>> > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / >>> moon give moksha for sure? >>> >>> No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from >>> Karakamsa. >>> >>> > >>> > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? >>> >>> Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. >>> Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, >>> Pisces - Caves) >>> >>> > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna >>> says ' YadgattvA >>> > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. >>> > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? >>> >>> We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our >>> "why not". >>> Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? >>> Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? >>> >>> Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, >>> and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and >>> parampara to attain success. >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ~ om tat sat ~ >>> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the >>> Achyuta Ashram. >>> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare >>> Rama Krishna' >>> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the >>> Great who said that the human stomach should not >>> become a graveyard for animals. >>> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one >>> free chart reading today >>> > Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Start your day with - make it your home page >> http://www./r/hs >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the >> human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free > chart reading today > > > > > Vedic > Vedic astrology > Sjc > Jyotish > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service. > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar You can’t really be sure, unless you see the punya chakra. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Sourav Guchhait 30 August 2005 21:50 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka 12.0pt"> Dear Gurus, I want to ask that:- 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the Native? 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha yoga"? Regards, Sourav --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: > Dear Rama, > > Comments below. > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no > more birth / death'? > > Moksha - liberation. > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a > mokshakaraka? > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL > desires to get Moksha. > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / > moon give moksha for sure? > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from > Karakamsa. > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, > Pisces - Caves) > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord Krsna > says ' YadgattvA > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our > "why not". > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for moksha, > and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and > parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the human stomach should not > become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Dear Vistiji, Namaskar 1.It will be very helpful to me as well as other group members if you give some notes on how to judge "punya chakra". Like, what combinations in one's punya chakra make his/her atma to get "Moksha" or exist as a "Ghost". (Rafalji already have said that Rahu in Asc of punya chakra is the cause of "birth as a ghost".) 2.Also it will be great if you give your valuable conception on what happens on the Atma after the death of physical body. (Like concept of "Hell","Heaven","Rebirth","Ghost") After death (their is no "Moksha yoga") if one has to take rebirth according to his past karma then what is the concept of "Hell" or "Heaven"? 3.Is it possible to find the Lagna of the Rashi chart in next birth from someone's natal chart? (I learned that Arudha lagna(AL) in D-60 presents the Asc.of the Rashi chart of last birth of the native) Regards, Sourav. --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You can’t really be sure, unless you see the punya > chakra. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav Guchhait > 30 August 2005 21:50 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > > > Dear Gurus, > > I want to ask that:- > > 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives > Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the > Native? > > 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not > in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha > yoga"? > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > > Dear Rama, > > > > Comments below. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no > > more birth / death'? > > > > Moksha - liberation. > > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a > > mokshakaraka? > > > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL > > desires to get Moksha. > > > > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / > > moon give moksha for sure? > > > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, > > Pisces - Caves) > > > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord > Krsna > > says ' YadgattvA > > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our > > "why not". > > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, > > and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and > > parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > > Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare > > Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > the > > Great who said that the human stomach should not > > become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do > one > > free chart reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Sj > c&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=CjNlOuNW1yhmTvkGkK863g> > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro > logy&w3=Sjc&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=SDio_E3yhfy-QdEoEVVNjg> > astrology > > Sjc > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Sjc& > w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=1V_W1YykBqJVRAoqhFAzYQ> > > > Jyotish > </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3= > Sjc&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=h7K1nj_wcgWELN31712b5A> > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on > the web. > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of > Service. > > > > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sourav, Namaskar All this has been explained in the SJC-USA West Coast 2003 cd’s. I recommend that you get these cd’s. The principles for judging the same originate from Parasara himself in the chapter on maraka or end of life. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Sourav Guchhait 02 September 2005 00:15 RE:[Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka 12.0pt"> Dear Vistiji, Namaskar 1.It will be very helpful to me as well as other group members if you give some notes on how to judge "punya chakra". Like, what combinations in one's punya chakra make his/her atma to get "Moksha" or exist as a "Ghost". (Rafalji already have said that Rahu in Asc of punya chakra is the cause of "birth as a ghost".) 2.Also it will be great if you give your valuable conception on what happens on the Atma after the death of physical body. (Like concept of "Hell","Heaven","Rebirth","Ghost") After death (their is no "Moksha yoga") if one has to take rebirth according to his past karma then what is the concept of "Hell" or "Heaven"? 3.Is it possible to find the Lagna of the Rashi chart in next birth from someone's natal chart? (I learned that Arudha lagna(AL) in D-60 presents the Asc.of the Rashi chart of last birth of the native) Regards, Sourav. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sourav, Namaskar > > You can’t really be sure, unless you see the punya > chakra. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Sourav Guchhait > 30 August 2005 21:50 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Mokshakaraka > > > > Dear Gurus, > > I want to ask that:- > > 1.Ketu is in 4'th or 12'th from Karakamsa "gives > Moksha" or "gives 'chance' to get Moksha" to the > Native? > > 2.Also do we have to look only in Navamsha(D-9)? Not > in Rashi Chart(D-1) or Dharmangsa(D-20) for "Moksha > yoga"? > > Regards, > Sourav > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: > > > Dear Rama, > > > > Comments below. > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Does Mokshakaraka means 'the one who ensures no > > more birth / death'? > > > > Moksha - liberation. > > Karaka - one who signifies (in free translation) > > > > > > > > Then how does a chaya graha like Ketu be a > > mokshakaraka? > > > > Ketu is without head, You must give up MATERIAL > > desires to get Moksha. > > > > > > > > Also, would Ketu in the 12th house from lagna / > > moon give moksha for sure? > > > > No. Ketu should be in forth or twelfth from > > Karakamsa. > > > > > > > > Why would Jupiter not to be a mokshakaraka ? > > > > Jupiter gives knowledge which guide one to Moksha. > > Jupiter gives the process (Saggitarius - temples, > > Pisces - Caves) > > > > > For that matter why not other planets? Lord > Krsna > > says ' YadgattvA > > > nani Vartante taddhAma paramam mama'. > > > If moon represents Lord Krsna, why not moon? > > > > We have to be strict with Shastra's not with our > > "why not". > > Sun represents Siva, so why not Sun ? > > Venus represents Radha so why not Radha ? > > > > Parasara and Jaimini are strict. Ketu is for > moksha, > > and every serious Jyotisha will follow ¶astra and > > parampara to attain success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > > Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra > 'Hare > > Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar > the > > Great who said that the human stomach should not > > become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do > one > > free chart reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Sj > c&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=CjNlOuNW1yhmTvkGkK863g> > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astro > logy&w3=Sjc&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=SDio_E3yhfy-QdEoEVVNjg> > astrology > > Sjc > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Sjc& > w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=1V_W1YykBqJVRAoqhFAzYQ> > > > Jyotish > </gads?t=ms&k=Jyotish&w1=Vedic&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3= > Sjc&w4=Jyotish&c=4&s=54&.sig=h7K1nj_wcgWELN31712b5A> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on > the web. > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of > Service. > > > > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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