Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Dear Samir & Visti, Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. What do You think Visti Ji ? with regards Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar Okay - I see what you mean. What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of Jupiter? Thanks and best wishes, Samir At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: Dear Samir & Visti, Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. What do You think Visti Ji ? with regards Rafal Gendarz ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Vedic astrology Traditions New delhi india Sjc Visit your group " " on the web. Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Samir, I think that RELATION we must check looking at relation between LL and 9L in D-1 and specifally in D-20. 2) Relation between AK and BK 3) of course 9L and Ju 4) Affliction to A9 through Rahu & Saturn 5) Non-availability when Rahu / Saturn are in 9H, or with 9L That is my proposition. with regards Rafal Gendarz , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Okay - I see what you mean. > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of Jupiter? > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > >Dear Samir & Visti, > > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. > > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? > > > > > > > >with regards > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Trad\ itions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Vedic > >astrology > ></gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradition\ s&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditions > ></gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Trad\ itions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>New > >delhi india > ></gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w3=Ne\ w+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > * Visit your group > > "<>" on the web. > > * > > * > > * > > <?subject=Un>srijagannat\ h > > > > * > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> > > > > > >---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 6) for presence 9L from Ju 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa with regards Rafal Gendarz > > > > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > Okay - I see what you mean. > > > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of > Jupiter? > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir & Visti, > > > > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. > > > > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > >with regards > > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Trad\ itions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Vedic > > > >astrology > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradition\ s&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditions > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Trad\ itions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>New > > > >delhi india > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w3=Ne\ w+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group > > > "<>" on the web. > > > * > > > * > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un>srijagannat\ h > > > > > > > * > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > > <> > > > > > > > > >---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafel, Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that You meet Him outside birth-nation". It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. Pranaam Ajay - "Rafal" <starsuponme <> Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > 6) for presence 9L from Ju > > 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa > with regards > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > > wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > > > Okay - I see what you mean. > > > > > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of > > Jupiter? > > > > > > Thanks and best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > > > >Dear Samir & Visti, > > > > > > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of > > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. > > > > > > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >with regards > > > >Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Ve dic > > > > > >astrology > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditi ons > > > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>Ne w > > > > > >delhi india > > > > > > ></gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group > > > > "<>" on > the web. > > > > * > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > > > <?subject=Un>srijaga nnath > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. He is "standing on Your head". To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. with regards Rafal Gendarz - "ajayzharotia" <zharotia <> Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Rafel, > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > You > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > > - > "Rafal" <starsuponme > <> > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju >> >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa >> with regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> >> > wrote: >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || >> > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar >> > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. >> > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of >> > Jupiter? >> > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, >> > > >> > > Samir >> > > >> > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, >> > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of >> > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. >> > > > >> > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >with regards >> > > >Rafal Gendarz >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >~ om tat sat ~ >> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said >> > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >> > reading today >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Ve > dic >> > >> > > >astrology >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi > tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditi > ons >> > >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>Ne > w >> > >> > > >delhi india >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w > 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >---------- >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > * Visit your group >> > > > "<>" on >> the web. >> > > > * >> > > > * >> > > > * >> > > > >> > >> > <?subject=Un>srijaga > nnath >> > >> > > > >> > > > * >> > > > * Your use of is subject to the >> > > > <> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >---------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading >> today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sishya, Namaskar I’m not following the discussion entirely. font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives the Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something else? Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 26 August 2005 12:20 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) 12.0pt"> It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. He is "standing on Your head". To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. with regards Rafal Gendarz - "ajayzharotia" <zharotia (AT) dataone (DOT) in> <> Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Rafel, > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > You > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > > - > "Rafal" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> > <> > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju >> >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa >> with regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> >> > wrote: >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || >> > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar >> > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. >> > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of >> > Jupiter? >> > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, >> > > >> > > Samir >> > > >> > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, >> > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of >> > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. >> > > > >> > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >with regards >> > > >Rafal Gendarz >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >~ om tat sat ~ >> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said >> > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >> > reading today >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Ve > dic >> > >> > > >astrology >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi > tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditi > ons >> > >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>Ne > w >> > >> > > >delhi india >> > > >> > >> >></gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w > 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >---------- >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > * Visit your group >> > > > "<>" on >> the web. >> > > > * >> > > > * >> > > > * >> > > > >> > >> > <?subject=Un>srijaga > nnath >> > >> > > > >> > > > * >> > > > * Your use of is subject to the >> > > > <> Terms of Service. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >---------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~ >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading >> today >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Guruji, Firstly there was discussion about Guru in general, then Samir said that A9 in 12H and (Ju and 9L) in 2 from AL is problematic for meeting Guru, which I didnt agree.In fact Guru is giving Argala so helping the Arudha. Then I mentioned some hints where to look to see relation with Guru. Vijnanamsa was one of my point.. with regards Rafal Gendarz , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > > I'm not following the discussion entirely. > > * Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? > > * Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives the > Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? > * Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something > else? > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > 26 August 2005 12:20 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. > He is "standing on Your head". > To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. > > with regards > Rafal Gendarz > > - > "ajayzharotia" <zharotia@d...> > <> > Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > > You > > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > Ajay > > > > > > - > > "Rafal" <starsuponme@w...> > > <> > > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju > >> > >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa > >> with regards > >> Rafal Gendarz > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > >> > wrote: > >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > >> > > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > >> > > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. > >> > > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of > >> > Jupiter? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, > >> > > > >> > > Samir > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, > >> > > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of > >> > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. > >> > > > > >> > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >with regards > >> > > >Rafal Gendarz > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >> > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >> > reading today > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >></gads?t=ms > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=> > &k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > > > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Ve > > dic > >> > > >> > > >astrology > >> > > > >> > > >> > >></gads?t=ms > </gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi> > &k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi > > > tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditi > > ons > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >></gads?t=ms > </gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=> > &k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > > > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>Ne > > w > >> > > >> > > >delhi india > >> > > > >> > > >> > >></gads?t=ms > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w> > &k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w > > 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >---------- > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > * Visit your group > >> > > > "<>" on > >> the web. > >> > > > * > >> > > > * > >> > > > * > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > <?subject=Un>srijaga > > nnath > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > * > >> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > >> > > > <> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >---------- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ~ om tat sat ~ > >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > >> today > >> Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=T > raditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ> > astrology > > Traditions > </gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradit > ions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA> > > New > </gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=T > raditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A> > delhi india > > > Sjc > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w3 > =New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA> > _____ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on the web. > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. > > > > _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal and everyone else following this, Namaskar I think we should take a little breather first and confirm the facts with Govinda (and make sure he's okay with us studying him like this ), because on re-reading his message I find that it's not very clear whether he has already found a diksha Guru in this life, and whether the relationship is troubled or whether that was what he was speculating from the chart. So, Govinda, (if you don't mind that is), could you share what's happened regarding you and your Guru? How is the relationship? Then we can look to find the reasons as per Rafal's pointers. Best wishes, Samir At 14:31 26/08/2005, you wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sishya, Namaskar I’m not following the discussion entirely. Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives the Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something else? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [ ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz 26 August 2005 12:20 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. He is "standing on Your head". To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. with regards Rafal Gendarz - "ajayzharotia" <zharotia (AT) dataone (DOT) in> To: <> Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Rafel, > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > You > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > > - > "Rafal" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> > To: <> > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju >> >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa >> with regards >> Rafal Gendarz >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> >> > wrote: >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || >> > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar >> > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. >> > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of >> > Jupiter? >> > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, >> > > >> > > Samir >> > > >> > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, >> > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of >> > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. >> > > > >> > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >with regards >> > > >Rafal Gendarz >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >~ om tat sat ~ >> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. >> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' >> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said >> > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. >> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart >> > reading today >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >SPONSORED LINKS >> > > >> > >> >>< /gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ>Ve > dic >> > >> > > >astrology >> > > >> > >> >>< /gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi > tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA>Traditi > ons >> > >> > > >> > >> >>< /gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A>Ne > w >> > >> > > >delhi india >> > > >> > >> >>< /gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w > 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >---------- >> > > >! 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Visti, Hare Rama Krsna! > Dear Sishya, Namaskar > > I'm not following the discussion entirely. > > * Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? (G)Samir wandered about retrogression of Jupiter in my chart, in D1. He was rectifying my birth time with great success. I suggested, on the basis of my life experience, the meaning is problems with guru in the last and this life time. I was told by an advanced devotee, who was checking out my last life by his purified vision, that I had a Vaisnava guru, that I didn't get diksa and that I left him. In this life I was testing several gurus in the period of 10 years, leaving aside all of them, except the last one who gave me diksa. I also found in the book "Beneath a Vedic sky" that the meaning of retrogression of Jupiter is "win back what was lost" and "looking for a better deal". Sanjay Rath says that retrogression means deep desire that hasn't been fulfilled in the last life. As far as problems in this life, so far there has been no problem, but Vaisnavism is all about the problem with the guru. Those who have no problem with a bonafide Vaisnava guru are siddhas, at least very soon. > * Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives the > Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? (G)Yes, Diksa Guru in Vaisnava dharma. One who gives Krsna and Krsna Prema. > * Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something > else? (G)No particular problem so far, but as there is probability of a problem in last life and everybody has a problem with their guru unless they are saints, potential problem in this life came into picture. Thank you Govinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 Dear Samir, Namaskar > > Dear Rafal and everyone else following this, Namaskar > > I think we should take a little breather first and confirm the facts > with Govinda (and make sure he's okay with us studying him like this > ) (G)No problem )) , because on re-reading his message I find that it's not very > clear whether he has already found a diksha Guru in this life, and > whether the relationship is troubled or whether that was what he was > speculating from the chart. (G)I found a Guru and I got diksa on November 30th 2004. I just clarified all these points a minute ago answering Visti's message. )) Funny. > > So, Govinda, (if you don't mind that is), could you share what's > happened regarding you and your Guru? How is the relationship? (G)No visible problem so far. I am happy in the relationship. This is a very deep subject, it is actually the same story as in Bhagavad Gita, so I d'like to spare you all the details about my attachments and fears of surrender. I took diksa to serve guru and learn from him, as per his words to me, so I am doing that, in a small way, and it will increase, the relationship included. > > Then we can look to find the reasons as per Rafal's pointers. > > Best wishes, Thank you Samir Govinda PS:Now I'm going to answer your D24 rectification suggestion. > > > > At 14:31 26/08/2005, you wrote: > >||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >Dear Sishya, Namaskar > >I'm not following the discussion entirely. > > * Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? > > * Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives > > the Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? > > * Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something else? > >Best wishes, > >*** > >Visti Larsen > >For services and articles visit: > ><http://srigaruda.com>http://srigaruda.com or > ><http://astrovisti.com>http://astrovisti.com > >*** > > > >---------- > > > >[] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > >26 August 2005 12:20 > > > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > >It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. > >He is "standing on Your head". > >To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. > > > >with regards > >Rafal Gendarz > > > >- > >"ajayzharotia" <zharotia@d...> > ><> > >Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > > > You > > > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > > > > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Rafal" <starsuponme@w...> > > > <> > > > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > > > > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju > > >> > > >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa > > >> with regards > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > >> > > > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. > > >> > > > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > > >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of > > >> > Jupiter? > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, > > >> > > > > >> > > Samir > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > > >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > > >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > > >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > > >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > > >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > > >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > > >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. One can see also BK, and of > > >> > > >course 9H from Karakamsa if has anything to do with Navamsa Lagna. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >What do You think Visti Ji ? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >with regards > > >> > > >Rafal Gendarz > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >> > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >> > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >> > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > >> > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > >> > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > >> > reading today > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >><</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+ast > > rology&w2=>/gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > > > > > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9 AwXQ>Ve > > > dic > > >> > > > >> > > >astrology > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >><</gads? t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrolog > > y&w2=Tradi>/gads? t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradi > > > > > tions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA> Traditi > > > ons > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >><</gads? t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+ast > > rology&w2=>/gads? t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2= > > > > > Traditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3 xw6A>Ne > > > w > > >> > > > >> > > >delhi india > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >><</gads? t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tr > > aditions&w>/gads? t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w > > > 3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA>Sjc > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >---------- > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > * Visit your group > > >> > > > > > "<<>http://groups..c om>" > > on > > >> the web. > > >> > > > * > > >> > > > * > > >> > > > * > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > <? subject=Un>srijaga > > > nnath > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > * > > >> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > >> > > > > > <<> > > > Terms of Service. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >---------- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ~ om tat sat ~ > > >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > >> today > > >> Links > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > * Visit your group > > "<>" on the web. > > * > > * > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > > > * > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> > > > > > >---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear everyone, Namaskar Okay, I had misunderstood Govinda the first time round - there's no major relationship issues with his diksa Guru! Rafal, any comments on the chart now that we know the facts? It would seem that Govinda did a lot of searching before he found his Guru. Also, this is what you had written - can I ask a few questions? Perhaps Guruji will have some comments also. I think that RELATION we must check looking at relation between LL and 9L in D-1 and specifally in D-20. 2) Relation between AK and BK [samir] Presumably this would show how the paths of the two atmas match. But will it necessarily cause problems in the mental-level relationship? 3) of course 9L and Ju 4) Affliction to A9 through Rahu & Saturn [samir] I would have thought this would create the risk of early loss of father. I didn't think it troubled the relationship unless A9 was in a dusthana from Lagna/Paka lagna. Can you explain a little more? 5) Non-availability when Rahu / Saturn are in 9H, or with 9L 6) for presence 9L from Ju 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa Thank you, Samir At 17:16 26/08/2005, you wrote: Dear Samir, Namaskar > > Dear Rafal and everyone else following this, Namaskar > > I think we should take a little breather first and confirm the facts > with Govinda (and make sure he's okay with us studying him like this > ) (G)No problem )) , because on re-reading his message I find that it's not very > clear whether he has already found a diksha Guru in this life, and > whether the relationship is troubled or whether that was what he was > speculating from the chart. (G)I found a Guru and I got diksa on November 30th 2004. I just clarified all these points a minute ago answering Visti's message. )) Funny. > > So, Govinda, (if you don't mind that is), could you share what's > happened regarding you and your Guru? How is the relationship? (G)No visible problem so far. I am happy in the relationship. This is a very deep subject, it is actually the same story as in Bhagavad Gita, so I d'like to spare you all the details about my attachments and fears of surrender. I took diksa to serve guru and learn from him, as per his words to me, so I am doing that, in a small way, and it will increase, the relationship included. > > Then we can look to find the reasons as per Rafal's pointers. > > Best wishes, Thank you Samir Govinda PS:Now I'm going to answer your D24 rectification suggestion. > > > > At 14:31 26/08/2005, you wrote: > >||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >Dear Sishya, Namaskar > >I'm not following the discussion entirely. > > * Firstly are you talking about problems in this life or the last one? > > * Also i assume you are talking about the Diksha Guru who gives > > the Vijnana, and is seen from the vijnanaamsa? > > * Also are these problems in finding the diksha guru or something else? > >Best wishes, > >*** > >Visti Larsen > >For services and articles visit: > >< http://srigaruda.com>http://srigaruda.com or > >< http://astrovisti.com > http://astrovisti.com > >*** > > > >---------- > > > >[ ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz > >26 August 2005 12:20 > > > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > >It will have a lot to say on Your personality, like 9L in L. > >He is "standing on Your head". > >To be Guru You have to has students...5 house. > > > >with regards > >Rafal Gendarz > > > >- > >"ajayzharotia" <zharotia@d...> > ><> > >Friday, August 26, 2005 10:58 AM > >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > Sorry to interrupt. Small query. You said "A9 in 12H simply can mean that > > > You > > > meet Him outside birth-nation". > > > > > > It means "A9 in lagna represent self will be GURU or self study. > > > > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > > > - > > > "Rafal" <starsuponme@w...> > > > <> > > > Friday, August 26, 2005 2:12 PM > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Guruji (for Samir and Visti Ji) > > > > > > > > >> 6) for presence 9L from Ju > > >> > > >> 7) for Diksha 9H from Karakamsa > > >> with regards > > >> Rafal Gendarz > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > >> > > > > >> > > Okay - I see what you mean. > > >> > > > > >> > > What then do you see in the chart that is the cause of problems in > > >> > > the relationship with the Guru? Is it only the retrogression of > > >> > Jupiter? > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks and best wishes, > > >> > > > > >> > > Samir > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > At 10:41 25/08/2005, you wrote: > > >> > > >Dear Samir & Visti, > > >> > > > > > >> > > >Problems in relationship with guru are seen with the A9 in the 12 > > >> > > >house and 9th lord/Jupiter in 2nd from AL. I think it suggests that > > >> > > >a lot the problems will be caused by unfortunate timing. > > >> > > >I dont understand why is it bad, A9 in 12H simply can mean that You > > >> > > >meet Him outside birth-nation, it is good to have benefics in second > > >> > > >from A.Pada, problems in relations with Guru are seen when is bad > > >> > > >relation between Jupiter and 9 Lord. 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