RE: Husband threatens -Please help me (Child's Gender)

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

 

Dear Learned Teachers and Students,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

 

I am a neophyte in matters of astrology going through the wonderful

writings of Learned Gurus like Respected Sanjay Rath, PVR Narasimha

Rao and Visti Larsen...

 

Respected Sanjay Rath in one of his lectures states the following

rules for determination of child's sex.

 

"..For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of

the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity,

the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from

Saptamsa Lagna.."

 

Discussion point 1: Should we not apply "female nativity" principle

in this case for Shrimate Gouri?

 

Discussion point 2: If we uphold application of male nativity - does

the placement of Rahu deny the third pregnancy or determine the 3rd

pregnancy to be potentially the last pregnancy?

 

Sanjay Ji further mentions,

"..It may be noted that from the case histories that a conjunction

dominates placement unless the lord is exalted or debilitated..."

 

Discussion point 3: Given the lord of third pregnancy, Venus, is

debilitated(although conjunct male planets - Rahu & Mars) - is the

third issue more likely to be a girl?

 

Discussion point 4:

a) If female nativity principle is applied, the lord of 9th (first

pregnancy) in Saptamsa (i.e. Venus) is debilitated. Hence the first

child is a girl,

b) The lord of second pregnancy, Sun, is also debilitated. Hence the

second child is likely to be a girl as well,

c) The lord of third pregnancy, Mercury, is retrograde in Capricorn

(a female sign). Hence a girl. Retrogression may indicate adoption

or birth in unusual circumstances,

d) The lord of fourth pregnancy, Mars, is with Rahu & Debilitated

Venus in Virgo. Which of the two (Rahu or Venus) should be

considered stronger, and hence the determinant of child's gender.

e) Will the association of Rahu & Venus indicate no more children or

denial of fourth pregnancy? Note that Lord of 5th (in Saptamsa),

Mercury, has gained 4 amsas while it is aspected by 3 planets (by

Rashi drishti).

f) COVA states (page 187) that in Stri Jataka (female nativity) the

ninth house becomes the primary controller of children. And the lord

9th (in Saptamsa), Venus, is associated with 3 planets (by virtue of

conjunction and Rashi drishti).

 

Discussion point 5:

Lastly, and most importantly, respected Sanjay Ji mentions in COVA

(pg 188) that normally for determination of the sex of child, the

chart of father is a better indicator.

 

Shall we suggest Shrimati Gouri to also furnish the birth details of

the child's father, so that the learned Visti Ji and other respected

participants can synthesise their analysis?

 

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and lighting the path of others.

 

Kind Regards,

Mukesh Harichand

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Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:54 am

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Dear Anand, Namaskar

 

You are assuming too much, there are no formalities here except that

we applaud decent behaviour so we can learn easily and without

headaches.

 

Now i'm assuming that noone answered your querry;

 

 

 

Here is my analysis, From the D7 Chart. As in Aq taking 5 houses

zodiacally it will Ge Where Mercury is in Ca (10th - female house).

So the first baby's lagna would have been Makara Lagan. 7th from As

is Leo, Where Sun is deposited in Libra ( Venus House) so 2nd child

can be girl with Tula Lagna. Then 9H is Lib where Ven us deposited

in Vi (with Ve, Ma, and Ra) taking two male planets, will result as

a Male + Since it is with Rahu that stops the children.

 

 

 

`As' or Lagna is in Kumbha so we start from Gemini, correct. Mercury

the lord is in CA... I guess this means Capricorn and yes this is

female. Lagna is not decided this easily. Next child is Surya and is

in Neecha so again a girl, yes. Now Rahu is in Kanya and most likely

there will be no more after this.

 

Best wishes,

 

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[] On Behalf Of Aunanda

20 August 2005 20:25

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Husband threatens -Please help me

 

 

 

Dear Visti,

 

I think I got your point. I take back my query addressed to you.

I will approach my Guru for my analysis.

 

Thanks for being there

Anand

 

On 8/20/05, Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

 

||Hare Rama Krsna||

 

Dear Anand, Namaskar

 

Disciples are for Diksha gurus, i'm a siksha guru just like your

physics teacher and english teacher.

 

Did anyone of my 'students' answer your querry?

 

Best wishes,

 

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] On Behalf Of Aunanda

16 August 2005 07:11

 

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Husband threatens -Please help me

 

 

 

As you have requested Shobhaji,

 

Here is my analysis, From the D7 Chart. As in Aq taking 5 houses

zodiacally it will Ge Where Mercury is in Ca (10th - female house).

So the first baby's lagna would have been Makara Lagan. 7th from As

is Leo, Where Sun is deposited in Libra ( Venus House) so 2nd child

can be girl with Tula Lagna. Then 9H is Lib where Ven us deposited

in Vi (with Ve, Ma, and Ra) taking two male planets, will result as

a Male + Since it is with Rahu that stops the children.

 

MAY THE LEARNED (VISTI, and his disciples, come to rectify my

analysis) If I am wrong I may be corrected.

May GOD forgive me if I am wrong.

 

Anand

 

 

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On 8/15/05, shobha S <shobhas60 wrote:

 

Dear Anand,

Can you please include your analysis here for

learning.

Why 2nd girl? why 3 children? why not boy?

Thanks a lot.

Shobha

 

--- Aunanda <anendd wrote:

 

> Dear Gouri,

>

> Since Dear jagannathan has given the reason for the

> differences, I thought

> of giving the children. Hope what i say do not

> violate any norms here.

> Seeing you D7 (Children) chart, I see 3 children,

> 2nd one you are carrying

> is going to be a girl, then the 3rd one will be a

> boy.

>

> I don't why Men get angry for having girl children

> when the XY chromosomes

> carrier is Men. Again the Womens womb should also be

> ready for that.

>

> Simple procedure to follow. Concieving on EVEN days

> after the Womens Mensus

> will result a BOY. And on ODD days a girl.

>

> So, knowledge to this is important and should be

> followed to have the baby.

>

> Thought of sharing

>

> Anand

>

> On 8/12/05, Jagannathan Kapisthalam

> <jagannathankr wrote:

> >

> > Chi.Sow.Gowri Pooja,

> > The Sapthamadhipathy is Mars.He is a malefic.His

> placement in the twelfth

> > house is a "Dosham".Moreover he is with

> debilitated Venus.Debilitated Sun

> > aspects the seventh house.

> > The seventh lord from Moon sign is Venus.He is

> debilitated.He is with

> > Malefic Mars.Debilitated Moon aspects the seventh

> house from Moon

> > sign.Debilitated Ketu occupies the seventh from

> Moon sign.

> > The kalatra Karaka venus is debilitated etc.the

> seventh lord from Venus is

> > Jupiter.He is retrograde towards his sign of

> debilitattion.

> > Debilitated Moon and debilitated Rahu occupy the

> UL.the lord of the second

> > from UL is retrograde towards his sign of

> debilitation.The lord of UL is

> > with debilitated Venus.Saturn ,Mars and Venus

> aspect the second from

> > UL.Saturn and Mars aspect by rasi drishti also.

> > Such and other reasons may be responsible for the

> absence of good rapport

> > between you and your husband.

> > Till recently Saturn has been staying in his natal

> position in

> > Mithunam.Jupiter is in contact with debilitated

> Venus till Sep 16,2005.

> > Jupiter aspects Sun and Mercury.Mercury and Venus

> have exchanged signs.Theseventh lord from lagnam and

> the seventh lord from Moon sign are placed

> > togather.Such things are good combinations and

> placements.

> > Venus has Kendradhipathya dosham for which

> necessary Pariharam has to be

> > done.As Kalatra karaka he is debilitated

> too.Pariharam for Kuja dosham has

> > to be done.Pariharas for debilitated Moon,Sun,

> Rahu and ketu have to be

> > done. I mean simple pariharas.

> > Presently Jupiters bhukthi is in progress.He is

> the Putra Karaka.Pariharamfor Jupiter has to be done

> also.

> > Please consult a really good astrologer and find

> out what ought to be done

> > regrding pariharas which have to be done.

> > Regards,

> > jagannathan.

> > On 8/11/05, gouri_pooja <gouri_pooja

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Members,

> > >

> > > Please help me with the following

> > >

> > > 1. My husband and I ahve cosntant disharmony

> between us.When will this

> > > be resolved for once and ever.What will be the

> outcome?

> > >

> > > 2. I am expecting my 2 nd child now.Is it likely

> to be a boy or

> > > girl.This is very imp coz my husband wants a boy

> only and threatened me

> > > consequences if its a girl.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance

> > >

> > > DOB 18/10/74

> > > POB: Mumbai, INdia

> > > TOB 7.59 AM

> > >

> > > Gouri

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Mukesh, Namaskar

I had asked similar questions to yours some time back - so let me share

what I learnt:

Respected Sanjay Rath in

one of his lectures states the following

rules for determination of child's sex.

"..For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of

the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity,

the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from

Saptamsa Lagna.."

Discussion point 1: Should we not apply "female nativity"

principle

in this case for Shrimate Gouri?

[samir] It would seem that there is a mistake in

that article. If you read COVA, Sanjayji explains that the 5th and

9th houses are the controlling houses for male and female

nativities respectively when it comes to children, but that determination

of which house represents the first child is based on the oddity of the

saptamsa lagna. So if Saptamsa lagna is Aries (odd) then the count

is forwards, so the first child is seen from the first house/lord - for

both male and female nativities.

This has been clarified by Sanjayji somewhere on the lists also. I

guess he's always busy helping those who are suffering, and hasn't got

round to correcting the article on the website.

Discussion point 2: If we

uphold application of male nativity - does

the placement of Rahu deny the third pregnancy or determine the 3rd

pregnancy to be potentially the last pregnancy?

[samir] Since it lies in the 8th house - i.e.,

between the 2nd and 3rd pregnancies, it will most likely prevent a third

pregnancy. This applies generally unless Jupiter is strong.

Sanjay Ji further

mentions,

"..It may be noted that from the case histories that a conjunction

dominates placement unless the lord is exalted or

debilitated..."

Discussion point 3: Given the lord of third pregnancy, Venus, is

debilitated(although conjunct male planets - Rahu & Mars) - is the

third issue more likely to be a girl?

[samir] There isn't likely to be a third

issue. But if there were, and we followed what Sanjayji has said

there, then I guess it would be a girl.

Discussion point 4:

a) If female nativity principle is applied, the lord of 9th (first

pregnancy) in Saptamsa (i.e. Venus) is debilitated. Hence the first

child is a girl,

b) The lord of second pregnancy, Sun, is also debilitated. Hence the

second child is likely to be a girl as well,

c) The lord of third pregnancy, Mercury, is retrograde in Capricorn

(a female sign). Hence a girl. Retrogression may indicate adoption

or birth in unusual circumstances,

[samir] Also Saturn and Mars should influence the

9th from UL in Rasi for adoption. But this is theoretical now as

we're counting the wrong way, as explained above.

d) The lord of fourth

pregnancy, Mars, is with Rahu & Debilitated

Venus in Virgo. Which of the two (Rahu or Venus) should be

considered stronger, and hence the determinant of child's gender.

e) Will the association of Rahu & Venus indicate no more children or

denial of fourth pregnancy? Note that Lord of 5th (in Saptamsa),

Mercury, has gained 4 amsas while it is aspected by 3 planets (by

Rashi drishti).

f) COVA states (page 187) that in Stri Jataka (female nativity) the

ninth house becomes the primary controller of children. And the lord

9th (in Saptamsa), Venus, is associated with 3 planets (by virtue of

conjunction and Rashi drishti).

Discussion point 5:

Lastly, and most importantly, respected Sanjay Ji mentions in COVA

(pg 188) that normally for determination of the sex of child, the

chart of father is a better indicator.

[samir] True indeed. Y chromosomes rule

..

Shall we suggest Shrimati

Gouri to also furnish the birth details of

the child's father, so that the learned Visti Ji and other respected

participants can synthesise their analysis?

[samir] I hope that helps.

Best wishes,

Samir

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Samir, Namaskar

 

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

 

When we say that 5th and 9th houses are the 'controlling' houses for

male and female nativities respectively, what factors do they control?

 

Is there a method prescribed by the sages (or preferred in Jyotish

community) to determine the 'number' of offsprings, besides counting

every thrid house (from 5th/9th)? The only two I have read so far are:

a) Rashi drishti of grahas, &

b) Advancement of amsas by fifth lord.

 

My limited readings suggest that the above methods provide variable

results in each case.

 

Kind Regards,

Mukesh

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Mukesh, Namaskar

>

> I had asked similar questions to yours some time back - so let me

> share what I learnt:

>

> >Respected Sanjay Rath in one of his lectures states the following

> >rules for determination of child's sex.

> >

> >"..For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord

of

> >the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity,

> >the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from

> >Saptamsa Lagna.."

> >

> >Discussion point 1: Should we not apply "female nativity" principle

> >in this case for Shrimate Gouri?

>

> [samir] It would seem that there is a mistake in that article. If

> you read COVA, Sanjayji explains that the 5th and 9th houses are

the

> controlling houses for male and female nativities respectively when

> it comes to children, but that determination of which house

> represents the first child is based on the oddity of the saptamsa

> lagna. So if Saptamsa lagna is Aries (odd) then the count is

> forwards, so the first child is seen from the first house/lord -

for

> both male and female nativities.

>

> This has been clarified by Sanjayji somewhere on the lists also. I

> guess he's always busy helping those who are suffering, and hasn't

> got round to correcting the article on the website.

>

> >Discussion point 2: If we uphold application of male nativity -

does

> >the placement of Rahu deny the third pregnancy or determine the 3rd

> >pregnancy to be potentially the last pregnancy?

>

> [samir] Since it lies in the 8th house - i.e., between the 2nd and

> 3rd pregnancies, it will most likely prevent a third pregnancy.

This

> applies generally unless Jupiter is strong.

>

> >Sanjay Ji further mentions,

> >"..It may be noted that from the case histories that a conjunction

> >dominates placement unless the lord is exalted or debilitated..."

> >

> >Discussion point 3: Given the lord of third pregnancy, Venus, is

> >debilitated(although conjunct male planets - Rahu & Mars) - is the

> >third issue more likely to be a girl?

>

> [samir] There isn't likely to be a third issue. But if there were,

> and we followed what Sanjayji has said there, then I guess it would

> be a girl.

>

> >Discussion point 4:

> >a) If female nativity principle is applied, the lord of 9th (first

> >pregnancy) in Saptamsa (i.e. Venus) is debilitated. Hence the first

> >child is a girl,

> >b) The lord of second pregnancy, Sun, is also debilitated. Hence

the

> >second child is likely to be a girl as well,

> >c) The lord of third pregnancy, Mercury, is retrograde in Capricorn

> >(a female sign). Hence a girl. Retrogression may indicate adoption

> >or birth in unusual circumstances,

>

> [samir] Also Saturn and Mars should influence the 9th from UL in

Rasi

> for adoption. But this is theoretical now as we're counting the

> wrong way, as explained above.

>

> >d) The lord of fourth pregnancy, Mars, is with Rahu & Debilitated

> >Venus in Virgo. Which of the two (Rahu or Venus) should be

> >considered stronger, and hence the determinant of child's gender.

> >e) Will the association of Rahu & Venus indicate no more children

or

> >denial of fourth pregnancy? Note that Lord of 5th (in Saptamsa),

> >Mercury, has gained 4 amsas while it is aspected by 3 planets (by

> >Rashi drishti).

> >f) COVA states (page 187) that in Stri Jataka (female nativity) the

> >ninth house becomes the primary controller of children. And the

lord

> >9th (in Saptamsa), Venus, is associated with 3 planets (by virtue

of

> >conjunction and Rashi drishti).

> >

> >Discussion point 5:

> >Lastly, and most importantly, respected Sanjay Ji mentions in COVA

> >(pg 188) that normally for determination of the sex of child, the

> >chart of father is a better indicator.

>

> [samir] True indeed. Y chromosomes rule .

>

> >Shall we suggest Shrimati Gouri to also furnish the birth details

of

> >the child's father, so that the learned Visti Ji and other

respected

> >participants can synthesise their analysis?

>

> [samir] I hope that helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Mukesh, Namaskar

The controlling houses for children determine the general fortune of

pregnancies - will there be many miscarriages (too much agni tattva) or

will they be normal etc. Also important is the fact that the second

from the controlling house is a maraka bhava for any child, and

the lord of a pregnancy placed there or associated with its lord will be

detrimental to the child.

I haven't studied the methods of determining the number of children in

any depth to be able to say much, but I do know that generally a variety

of techniques have to be used together to get a good result. Along

with the two you mention, it's important to consider the tattva and

multiplicity of the planets/signs involved. 9th from UL is

important, and also the Rahu-Ketu axis in Saptamsa.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 01:19 24/08/2005, you wrote:

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

When we say that 5th and 9th houses are the 'controlling' houses for

male and female nativities respectively, what factors do they

control?

Is there a method prescribed by the sages (or preferred in Jyotish

community) to determine the 'number' of offsprings, besides counting

every thrid house (from 5th/9th)? The only two I have read so far

are:

a) Rashi drishti of grahas, &

b) Advancement of amsas by fifth lord.

My limited readings suggest that the above methods provide variable

results in each case.

Kind Regards,

Mukesh

, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Mukesh, Namaskar

>

> I had asked similar questions to yours some time back - so let me

> share what I learnt:

>

> >Respected Sanjay Rath in one of his lectures states the

following

> >rules for determination of child's sex.

> >

> >"..For a male nativity, the first child is determined by

the lord

of

> >the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female

nativity,

> >the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house

from

> >Saptamsa Lagna.."

> >

> >Discussion point 1: Should we not apply "female

nativity" principle

> >in this case for Shrimate Gouri?

>

> [samir] It would seem that there is a mistake in that article.

If

> you read COVA, Sanjayji explains that the 5th and 9th houses are

the

> controlling houses for male and female nativities respectively when

> it comes to children, but that determination of which house

> represents the first child is based on the oddity of the saptamsa

> lagna. So if Saptamsa lagna is Aries (odd) then the count is

> forwards, so the first child is seen from the first house/lord -

for

> both male and female nativities.

>

> This has been clarified by Sanjayji somewhere on the lists

also. I

> guess he's always busy helping those who are suffering, and hasn't

> got round to correcting the article on the website.

>

> >Discussion point 2: If we uphold application of male nativity -

does

> >the placement of Rahu deny the third pregnancy or determine the

3rd

> >pregnancy to be potentially the last pregnancy?

>

> [samir] Since it lies in the 8th house - i.e., between the 2nd and

> 3rd pregnancies, it will most likely prevent a third

pregnancy.

This

> applies generally unless Jupiter is strong.

>

> >Sanjay Ji further mentions,

> >"..It may be noted that from the case histories that a

conjunction

> >dominates placement unless the lord is exalted or

debilitated..."

> >

> >Discussion point 3: Given the lord of third pregnancy, Venus,

is

> >debilitated(although conjunct male planets - Rahu & Mars) -

is the

> >third issue more likely to be a girl?

>

> [samir] There isn't likely to be a third issue. But if there

were,

> and we followed what Sanjayji has said there, then I guess it would

> be a girl.

>

> >Discussion point 4:

> >a) If female nativity principle is applied, the lord of 9th

(first

> >pregnancy) in Saptamsa (i.e. Venus) is debilitated. Hence the

first

> >child is a girl,

> >b) The lord of second pregnancy, Sun, is also debilitated. Hence

the

> >second child is likely to be a girl as well,

> >c) The lord of third pregnancy, Mercury, is retrograde in

Capricorn

> >(a female sign). Hence a girl. Retrogression may indicate

adoption

> >or birth in unusual circumstances,

>

> [samir] Also Saturn and Mars should influence the 9th from UL in

Rasi

> for adoption. But this is theoretical now as we're counting

the

> wrong way, as explained above.

>

> >d) The lord of fourth pregnancy, Mars, is with Rahu &

Debilitated

> >Venus in Virgo. Which of the two (Rahu or Venus) should be

> >considered stronger, and hence the determinant of child's

gender.

> >e) Will the association of Rahu & Venus indicate no more

children

or

> >denial of fourth pregnancy? Note that Lord of 5th (in

Saptamsa),

> >Mercury, has gained 4 amsas while it is aspected by 3 planets

(by

> >Rashi drishti).

> >f) COVA states (page 187) that in Stri Jataka (female nativity)

the

> >ninth house becomes the primary controller of children. And the

lord

> >9th (in Saptamsa), Venus, is associated with 3 planets (by

virtue

of

> >conjunction and Rashi drishti).

> >

> >Discussion point 5:

> >Lastly, and most importantly, respected Sanjay Ji mentions in

COVA

> >(pg 188) that normally for determination of the sex of child,

the

> >chart of father is a better indicator.

>

> [samir] True indeed. Y chromosomes rule .

>

> >Shall we suggest Shrimati Gouri to also furnish the birth

details

of

> >the child's father, so that the learned Visti Ji and other

respected

> >participants can synthesise their analysis?

>

> [samir] I hope that helps.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

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