Karaka Bhava Nasa

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Dear Members,

 

At which conditions that a planet

may produce the result of the Karaka Bhava Nasa?

Some says

Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets.

Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with natural

benefics.Is it correct?

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh

 

 

 

 

 

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Karaka Bhava Nasa is commonly said to occur when the significating planet is in

the house which signifies the same thing, causing that signifiication to become

impaired. However if this was the case then those people with Sun in the first

house would suffer from poor health and would lack intelligence. However

practical experience shows people with Sun in Lagna have very good health

(generally) and are also intelligent. This can also be applied to other

bhavas, like Jupiter in the fifth house does not neccessarily mean that

children will somehow suffer. The real use of Karaka Bhava Nasa as I have

heard is that the enemies of the Karaka will harm the bhava of the same

signification if they are associated with it. For example, the enemies of

Jupiter coming into contact with the fifth house will be the ones that will

cause suffering to children, or 2nd house wealth etc. This also makes more

practical sense rather than thinking the Guru is

just going to go and harm children without any reason.

I hope this helps.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

Om Namo Narayanaya Venkatesh S <ksvssvk > wrote:

JAI SRIRAMDear Members, At which conditions that a planetmay

produce the result of the Karaka Bhava Nasa?Some says Karaka Bhava Nasa may

work with malefic planets.Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with

naturalbenefics.Is it correct?Thanks,S.Venkatesh

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear Michal, Namaskar

 

>From Sanjay Ji, in the past , we heard that it is the Chara karakas,

which cause karaka bhava nasa ( in the Nagpur conference CDs).

 

Here DK represents, second house, which is a point much harped on in the past.

 

Hope this helps.

 

regards

Viswanadham

 

On 8/3/05, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Karaka Bhava Nasa is commonly said to occur when the significating planet is

> in the house which signifies the same thing, causing that signifiication to

> become impaired. However if this was the case then those people with Sun in

> the first house would suffer from poor health and would lack intelligence.

> However practical experience shows people with Sun in Lagna have very good

> health (generally) and are also intelligent. This can also be applied to

> other bhavas, like Jupiter in the fifth house does not neccessarily mean

> that children will somehow suffer. The real use of Karaka Bhava Nasa as I

> have heard is that the enemies of the Karaka will harm the bhava of the same

> signification if they are associated with it. For example, the enemies of

> Jupiter coming into contact with the fifth house will be the ones that will

> cause suffering to children, or 2nd house wealth etc. This also makes more

> practical sense rather than thinking the Guru is just going to go and harm

> children without any reason.

> I hope this helps.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear friends, Namaskar

Sanjayji has explained (partly) the workings of karaka bhava nasa with

reference to the chara karakas in the 9th house chapter of COVA.

The two main situations where this arises, he says, are:

1. When the lord of a house becomes the chara karaka for that

house. E.g., 5th lord becomes putrakaraka. Since the chara

karaka's job is to cleanse that particular individual, it becomes

particularly able to do so if it lords the relevant house, and can

therefore 'easily' inflict punishment.

2. A planet is both the chara and naisargika karaka for

something. Again, similar reasoning.

Finally, here is something that Sanjayji had written regarding karaka

bhava nasa. Interesting about the Sun in lagna...kriyaalasathanu

krisathanu...

POINT 1: ubhayam bhoomijo

hanti sahajashto vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger

brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15.

 

Commentary: Mars is a natural malefic planet and its placement in the

third house is detrimental for the health of younger co-born just as its

placement in the 11th is detrimental for elder co-born. Jaimini adds that

if Rahu and saturn are associated with this third then all co-born shall

die. If Saturn alone is in third/eleventh then the death of younger/elder

respectively shall occur at a later age i.e. after some time.

 

Illustration: For a person with Dhanus Lagna with Saturn, Mercury, Sun

and Venus in 11th house in Libra and Mars in Capricorn and with Arudha

Lagna in Leo, all his younger brothers died together in a car accident.

He was in tears when I mentioned about danger to younger co- borns during

the period..he had just lost them.

 

Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets.

 

POINT 2: (a) saptame

tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native

over sexual)..BPHS; (b) asateerathaha mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus

in 7th he likes to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his

wife)...Phaladeepika

 

Commentary: The placement of Venus as Karaka of the seventh house (Kaama)

does not result in the destruction of sexual desire but increases it

manifold. This may cause death to wife if he gets infected with sexually

transmitted disease, but if his wife is also adequately matched for his

sexual gratification, then this maynot result.

 

Illustration: Gemini lagna person with venus alone in seventh had many

relationships outside marriage. Osho who also had this Venus in seventh

was somehow always associated with Sex and religion (No offence meant to

anyone please).

 

Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with natural benefics (just

like Parasara had mentioned.)

 

POINT 3:

kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes native easily fatigued by

slight work,with enmaciated,sickly body)..

Phaladeepika

 

Conclusion: I am not giving comments etc; Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with

malefic planets.

 

POINT 4: coming to

our main point of controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause

troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) when jupiter is in

5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons

should cause troubles to father in the above combination,if not for

karaka rule?

 

Reply: Suffering is a part of life and it is a part of nature that the

good have to suffer the actions of the evil ones. We have read of so many

instances in our sacred literature where evil ones like Kamsa or Ravana

etc. Ravana had no business to trouble Bhagavan rama, least of all kidnap

His wife, yet he did it. Thus, the house where jupiter is placed shows

the place from where goodness and Godliness will be seen. If Jupiter is

in fifth, the children can be famous and powerful provided that the Moon

and fifth Lord are also well disposed. Thus, this can cause a lot of

suffering for the children and from this suffering they shall evolve and

shine as the great gifts of God on this planet.

 

Illustration: To explain my point, let us take two cases of the same

Lagna and exalted Jupiter in the fifth house. Case (1) Motilal Nehru

Pisces Lagna; who was born with Jupiter in exaltation is the fifth house

had one famous son Jawaharlal Nehru who suffered for many years during

the freedom struggle and finally became the PM of India. His lineage has

florished for 3 generations after him due to this exalted Jupiter as all

of his son/grand daughter and great grandson became the prime Ministers

of india. Case (2) Rabindra Nath Tagore had exalted Jupiter in the fifth

house for Pisces lagna. He had a daughter and a son both of whom

died around 1903 much before he got the nobel prize also.

 

Conclusion: Jupiter cannot be blamed for the death of children. The

correct picture emerges only in the Saptamsa

chakra.

Best wishes,

Samir

Viswanadham <vishwanatham

Thu Aug 4, 2005 6:18 am

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Karaka Bhava Nasa

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Michal, Namaskar

>From Sanjay Ji, in the past , we heard that it is the Chara

karakas,

which cause karaka bhava nasa ( in the Nagpur conference CDs).

Here DK represents, second house, which is a point much harped on in the

past.

Hope this helps.

regards

Viswanadham

On 8/3/05, Michal Dziwulski

<

nearmichal wrote:

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Karaka Bhava Nasa is commonly said to occur when the significating

planet is

> in the house which signifies the same thing, causing that

signifiication to

> become impaired. However if this was the case then those people with

Sun in

> the first house would suffer from poor health and would lack

intelligence.

> However practical experience shows people with Sun in Lagna have

very good

> health (generally) and are also intelligent. This can also be

applied to

> other bhavas, like Jupiter in the fifth house does not neccessarily

mean

> that children will somehow suffer. The real use of Karaka Bhava Nasa

as I

> have heard is that the enemies of the Karaka will harm the bhava of

the same

> signification if they are associated with it. For example, the

enemies of

> Jupiter coming into contact with the fifth house will be the ones

that will

> cause suffering to children, or 2nd house wealth etc. This also

makes more

> practical sense rather than thinking the Guru is just going to go

and harm

> children without any reason.

> I hope this helps.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya