Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Friends, Namaskar Nabhasa yogas are said to give resuls throughout one's life. Also, Rahu & Ketu are not included in these yogas. You can refer to any classic to find more about these yogas. When we say malefics, we mean natural malefics. Ketu is considered a natural malefic for purposes other than dharma/spirituality (marriage included as our dharma). Also, Rahu - Ketu is the two parts of the snake (asura) used in the sagar manthan. So, it is natural to consider them as part of the sarpa yoga. When we consider natural malefics giving such a yoga, it is logical to think that natural benefics will be able to provide the relief from such consequences of Sarpa yoga. Lagna & 7th house axis indicates our desires and passions, while the 4-10 th axis provides the assiciations. So, on these lines one can think about the Sarpa yoga. hope this helps. regards Surya Viswanadham , "java_sgt" <java_sgt> wrote: > Dear List Members, > Allow me to share my experiences about Sarpa yoga. I have a > good one both in my D1 and repeated in D9. > Of the 5 natural malefics, I have all of them in my quadrants and > all afflicting each other. The benifics are nowhere around. > Hitler had 4 malefics in kendras and is the most famous runner up. > poor-i never was, and am not yet. > unlucky-in a way, but considering the mess, i feel lucky to have > survived thu it all. overall i feel myself to be lucky++ > cruel-my ex may feel that way, and it is mutual. > depending on others-i have been tasked with sustaining several > humans, fishes and plants > for hitler, cruel is applicable. > > I agree with the statement that "it is not a good yoga" > > Soumit > > , "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> wrote: > > JAI SRIRAM > > Dear Nitin, > > > > According to ancestors the results, due to sarpa > Yogas, > > will be felt throughout in all the Dasha periods.Sarpa yoga person > is > > said to be poor,unlucky,cruel and specially depending on others for > > water and food.It is not good yoga. > > > > Thanks, > > S.Venkatesh > > > > , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote: > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > Venkatesh Ji, and anyone following the thread, Namaskaar. > > > > > > What are the various categories of the grahas? > > > > > > If you consider: > > > Soumya Grahas > > > Krura Grahas > > > > > > ..AND you consider: > > > KENDRAS (Houses 1, 4, 7, 10) > > > > > > What are the possible scenarios? > > > > > > You either have : > > > > > > 1) Soumya Graha(s) only in Kendras „³ Maala Yog > > > 2) Krura Grahas(s) in Kendras „³ Sarpa Yog > > > 3) A MIX of Grahas in Kendras „³ ? > > > > > > > > > The sarpa exists, but it is alleviated by the presence of > another. > > > > > > What is your understanding of what this yog DOES? Please share > your > > thoughts on this matter? > > > > > > Lastly, the entire chart has to be taken in perspective. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin. > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > Dear Nitin, > > > If it is not mention explicitly then how can you > say it > > > is broken? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh Ji and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding¡K > > > > > > > > Although you have requested some classical references, what is > > > offered below is just some reasoning¡K > > > > > > > > Per definition, it is understood that 3 or more krura grahas > in > > > Kendras constitute a Sarpa yoga. > > > > > > > > Whilst not mentioned explicitly, it can be inferred that if > there > > > are soumya grahas in the kendras, this helps break the yoga. > > > > > > > > Hope some of this helps. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > BPHS mentions > > > > Ch35-8.about sarpa yoga but not about the broken sarpa > > > > yoga.Are the another classics mentions about the > > > > broken sarpa yoga? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > > > Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 s.narayanan ChennaiSuryaViswanadham <vishwanatham > wrote: Hare Rama KrishnaDear Friends, NamaskarNabhasa yogas are said to give resuls throughout one's life.Also, Rahu & Ketu are not included in these yogas. You can refer to any classic to find more about these yogas.When we say malefics, we mean natural malefics. Ketu is considered a natural malefic for purposes other than dharma/spirituality (marriage included as our dharma).Also, Rahu - Ketu is the two parts of the snake (asura) used in the sagar manthan. So, it is natural to consider them as part of the sarpa yoga. When we consider natural malefics giving such a yoga, it is logical to think that natural benefics will be able to provide the relief from such consequences of Sarpa yoga.Lagna & 7th house axis indicates our desires and passions, while the 4-10 th axis provides the assiciations.So, on these lines one can think about the Sarpa yoga.hope this helps.regardsSurya Viswanadham, "java_sgt" <java_sgt> wrote:> Dear List Members,> Allow me to share my experiences about Sarpa yoga. I have a > good one both in my D1 and repeated in D9.> Of the 5 natural malefics, I have all of them in my quadrants and > all afflicting each other. The benifics are nowhere around.> Hitler had 4 malefics in kendras and is the most famous runner up.> poor-i never was, and am not yet.> unlucky-in a way, but considering the mess, i feel lucky to have > survived thu it all. overall i feel myself to be lucky++> cruel-my ex may feel that way, and it is mutual.> depending on others-i have been tasked with sustaining several > humans, fishes and plants > for hitler, cruel is applicable.> > I agree with the statement that "it is not a good yoga"> > Soumit> > , "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> wrote:> > JAI SRIRAM> > Dear Nitin,> > > > According to ancestors the results, due to sarpa > Yogas,> > will be felt throughout in all the Dasha periods.Sarpa yoga person > is> > said to be poor,unlucky,cruel and specially depending on others for> > water and food.It is not good yoga.> > > > Thanks,> > S.Venkatesh> > > > --- In , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote:> > > > > > ||| A U M |||> > > > > > Venkatesh Ji, and anyone following the thread, Namaskaar. > > > > > > What are the various categories of the grahas? > > > > > > If you consider: > > > Soumya Grahas> > > Krura Grahas> > > > > > ..AND you consider:> > > KENDRAS (Houses 1, 4, 7, 10)> > > > > > What are the possible scenarios? > > > > > > You either have :> > > > > > 1) Soumya Graha(s) only in Kendras „³ Maala Yog> > > 2) Krura Grahas(s) in Kendras „³ Sarpa Yog> > > 3) A MIX of Grahas in Kendras „³ ?> > > > > > > > > The sarpa exists, but it is alleviated by the presence of > another. > > > > > > What is your understanding of what this yog DOES? Please share > your> > thoughts on this matter?> > > > > > Lastly, the entire chart has to be taken in perspective. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Nitin.> > > > > > ||| A U M |||> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > Dear Nitin, > > > If it is not mention explicitly then how can you > say it > > > is broken? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh Ji and List Members, Namaskaar. > > > > > > > > Allow me to share some of my understanding¡K > > > > > > > > Although you have requested some classical references, what is > > > offered below is just some reasoning¡K > > > > > > > > Per definition, it is understood that 3 or more krura grahas > in > > > Kendras constitute a Sarpa yoga. > > > > > > > > Whilst not mentioned explicitly, it can be inferred that if > there > > > are soumya grahas in the kendras, this helps break the yoga. > > > > > > > > Hope some of this helps. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nitin. > > > > > > > > ||| A U M ||| > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAI SRIRAM > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > BPHS mentions > > > > Ch35-8.about sarpa yoga but not about the broken sarpa > > > > yoga.Are the another classics mentions about the > > > > broken sarpa yoga? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > S.Venkatesh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________> > > Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com S.Narayanan, snarayanan (AT) 123india (DOT) com snarayanan_ (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the software. Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? Best wishes, Samir At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Jyotisa, Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). October 23,2005 13:56:18 5:30 East Place:New Delhi India Thanks, S.Venkatesh __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home page http://us.click./dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM --~-> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear Samir, Let me apply some logic here. According to BPHS Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic always give auspicious result. Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same manner for given data October 23,2005 13:56:18 5:30 East Place: New Delhi India You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for Sagittarius ascendant. Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. I request Gurudev to put some light on this. Pranaam For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the software. > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > >|JAI SRIRAM| > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > >October 23,2005 > >13:56:18 > >5:30 East > >Place:New Delhi India > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > >__ > >Start your day with - make it your home page > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Ajay, Namaskar Three points: 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes included). 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa Yoga even if it is broken by benefics. 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart. Best wishes, Samir At 10:17 24/08/2005, you wrote: Dear Samir, Let me apply some logic here. According to BPHS Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic always give auspicious result. Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and 10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same manner for given data October 23,2005 13:56:18 5:30 East Place: New Delhi India You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for Sagittarius ascendant. Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. I request Gurudev to put some light on this. Pranaam For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the software. > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > >|JAI SRIRAM| > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > >October 23,2005 > >13:56:18 > >5:30 East > >Place:New Delhi India > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > >__ > >Start your day with - make it your home page > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home page http://us.click./dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM --~-> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear Sameer, Pranaam I guess you are right. Let me read further on this and find out about your 1st point. Pranaam Ajay , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Ajay, Namaskar > > Three points: > > 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the > functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed > when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes included). > > 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa Yoga > even if it is broken by benefics. > > 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by > Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the > purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when > joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and > Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa > Yoga in the chart. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 10:17 24/08/2005, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, > > > >Let me apply some logic here. > > > >According to BPHS > > > >Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they > >are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > >auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > >always give auspicious result. > > > >Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > >ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For > >example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and > >10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > >benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of > >two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be > >infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > > >So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same > >manner for given data > > > >October 23,2005 > >13:56:18 > >5:30 East > >Place: New Delhi India > > > >You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > >Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > >Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > >though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > >disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > > >Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > >the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > >Sagittarius ascendant. > > > >Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > >become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > > >Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house > >therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > >obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > > >So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. > > > >I request Gurudev to put some light on this. > > > > > >Pranaam > > > > > >For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > >wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the > >software. > > > > > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > > > >|JAI SRIRAM| > > > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the > >following > > > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics > >three > > > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > >October 23,2005 > > > >13:56:18 > > > >5:30 East > > > >Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > >Start your day with - make it your home page > > > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >reading today > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear Sameer Pranaam Did you find any mention of your 3rd point about Sun acting benific in this case in any scripture. Pranaam Ajay , "ajayzharotia" <zharotia@d...> wrote: > Dear Sameer, > > Pranaam > > I guess you are right. Let me read further on this and find out about > your 1st point. > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Ajay, Namaskar > > > > Three points: > > > > 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the > > functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed > > when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes > included). > > > > 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa > Yoga > > even if it is broken by benefics. > > > > 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by > > Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the > > purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when > > joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and > > Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa > > Yoga in the chart. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 10:17 24/08/2005, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir, > > > > > >Let me apply some logic here. > > > > > >According to BPHS > > > > > >Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when > they > > >are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > > >auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > > >always give auspicious result. > > > > > >Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > > >ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. > For > > >example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th > and > > >10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > > >benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord > of > > >two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to > be > > >infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > > > > >So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same > > >manner for given data > > > > > >October 23,2005 > > >13:56:18 > > >5:30 East > > >Place: New Delhi India > > > > > >You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > > >Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > > >Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > > >though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > > >disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > > > > >Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > > >the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > > >Sagittarius ascendant. > > > > > >Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > > >become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > > > > >Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth > house > > >therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > > >obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > > > > >So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. > > > > > >I request Gurudev to put some light on this. > > > > > > > > >Pranaam > > > > > > > > >For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah > <solaris.smoke@g...> > > >wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the > > >software. > > > > > > > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > > > > >|JAI SRIRAM| > > > > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the > > >following > > > > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics > > >three > > > > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > >October 23,2005 > > > > >13:56:18 > > > > >5:30 East > > > > >Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > > >Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who > said > > > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > >reading today > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Samir, Just to cross check the Sarpa Yoga. Thanks, S.Venkatesh , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the software. > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > >|JAI SRIRAM| > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the following > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics three > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > >October 23,2005 > >13:56:18 > >5:30 East > >Place:New Delhi India > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > >__ > >Start your day with - make it your home page > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 |JAI SRIRAM| Dear Samir, Only Mercury is considered benefic if it joins with benefics,I don't think it is for Sun and i don't think Jhora consider these kind of defintions for Sarpa Yoga, for the following birth details Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga APR 12 2005 23:30:42 Place:New Delhi India Thanks, S.Venkatesh , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Ajay, Namaskar > > Three points: > > 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the > functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed > when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes included). > > 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa Yoga > even if it is broken by benefics. > > 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by > Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the > purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when > joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and > Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa > Yoga in the chart. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 10:17 24/08/2005, you wrote: > >Dear Samir, > > > >Let me apply some logic here. > > > >According to BPHS > > > >Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they > >are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > >auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > >always give auspicious result. > > > >Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > >ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For > >example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and > >10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > >benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of > >two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be > >infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > > >So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same > >manner for given data > > > >October 23,2005 > >13:56:18 > >5:30 East > >Place: New Delhi India > > > >You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > >Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > >Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > >though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > >disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > > >Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > >the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > >Sagittarius ascendant. > > > >Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > >become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > > >Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house > >therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > >obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > > >So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. > > > >I request Gurudev to put some light on this. > > > > > >Pranaam > > > > > >For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > >wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the > >software. > > > > > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > > > >|JAI SRIRAM| > > > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the > >following > > > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics > >three > > > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > >October 23,2005 > > > >13:56:18 > > > >5:30 East > > > >Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > >Start your day with - make it your home page > > > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > >reading today > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Dear Sameer Your Point about sun joining benific considered as benific does not hold good as you can see in D-144 chart of the following native Sun in kendra does not have any conjucation or aspect from benific, is still not condisidered as malefic. And it does not show any sarpa yoga for the D-144 chart. It means Sun is not included in the malific list for Sarpa yoga calculation. Deatils Natal Chart: Native 7 December 25, 1968 Time: 15:00:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00" New Delhi, India Altitude: 0.00 meters What do you say to this. Pranaam Ajay , "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> wrote: > |JAI SRIRAM| > Dear Samir, > > Only Mercury is considered benefic if it joins with > benefics,I don't think it is for Sun and i don't think Jhora consider > these kind of defintions for Sarpa Yoga, for the following birth > details Jhora shows Sarpa Yoga > > APR 12 2005 > 23:30:42 > Place:New Delhi India > > Thanks, > S.Venkatesh > > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > Dear Ajay, Namaskar > > > > Three points: > > > > 1. I'm pretty sure that with the Nabhasa Yogas we don't use the > > functional nature of planets. By definition, Sarpa Yoga is formed > > when three kendras are occupied by naisargika krura grahas (nodes > included). > > > > 2. You'll find that in other cases, Jagannath Hora lists Sarpa Yoga > > even if it is broken by benefics. > > > > 3. As to why there is no Sarpa Yoga in the chart posted by > > Venkatesh, I've had a think about it and it struck me that for the > > purposes of Nabhasa Yogas, the Sun is not considered a malefic when > > joined benefics. In this case the Sun is joined Mercury and > > Jupiter. So Jagannatha Hora is indeed correct! There is no Sarpa > > Yoga in the chart. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 10:17 24/08/2005, you wrote: > > >Dear Samir, > > > > > >Let me apply some logic here. > > > > > >According to BPHS > > > > > >Chapter 36-- Natural Benefic do not give auspicious effect when they > > >are lord of angle. And natural malefic in that position do not give > > >auspicious result, while lord of trine whether benefic or malefic > > >always give auspicious result. > > > > > >Now the point is lord of Ascendant always give good result as > > >ascendant is both an angle and trine. Be it benefic are malefic. For > > >example In Gemini and Virgo ascendant, Mercury being lord of 4th and > > >10th respectively become lord of angle, but he does not lose his > > >benefic nature. But in both these ascendants Jupiter will be lord of > > >two angle house and he will lose its benefic aspect considered to be > > >infected with Kendradhipati Dosa. > > > > > >So here we can see ascendant plays and important role. In the Same > > >manner for given data > > > > > >October 23,2005 > > >13:56:18 > > >5:30 East > > >Place: New Delhi India > > > > > >You can notice that Capricorn is rising in the ascendant. For > > >Capricorn, Mars, Jupiter and the moon are malefic, while Venus and > > >Mercury are benefic. Saturn himself will not be a killer. Saturn > > >though the lord of killing house the 2nd one, he is free form > > >disposition of killer as he is ascendant lord. > > > > > >Sun also does not get the defect of being 8th lord. He will act for > > >the Capricorn ascendant in the same manner as the moon does for > > >Sagittarius ascendant. > > > > > >Only Mars in this case is the malefic of first order. And Jupiter > > >become inauspicious being lord of 3rd house > > > > > >Mercury in this ascendant has his mooltrikona sign in the ninth house > > >therefore he will give effect of ninth house. He might give some > > >obstacle in the beginning of his dasa and anterdasa. > > > > > >So it breaks the Sarpa yoga. > > > > > >I request Gurudev to put some light on this. > > > > > > > > >Pranaam > > > > > > > > >For further ref: Read Chapter 36 BPHS in detail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > > >wrote: > > > > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > > > > > > > Dear Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > > > That's weird - it should do. Perhaps it's a little bug in the > > >software. > > > > > > > > Is anything special due to happen at this time/date/place? > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 21:37 23/08/2005, you wrote: > > > > >|JAI SRIRAM| > > > > >Dear Jyotisa, > > > > > > > > > >Can anybody knows why Jhora doesn't show Sarpa Yoga for the > > >following > > > > >details(Jhora support BPHS and this date of birth has malefics > > >three > > > > >kendras namely Mars,Saturn and Sun). > > > > >October 23,2005 > > > > >13:56:18 > > > > >5:30 East > > > > >Place:New Delhi India > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > >S.Venkatesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__ > > > > >Start your day with - make it your home page > > > > >http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > > >reading today > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~ om tat sat ~ > > >Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > >Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > >(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > >that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > >(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Ajay, Nitin, Venkatesh and list, Namaskar I wonder if the Moon-Mars conjunction in Aries is responsible for this little spate of snowballing. Please let's try and keep things friendly here, so we can all learn in the best possible environment. Nitin - I think Ajay was using the D-144 just to illustrate the method by which JHora calculates the Sarpa Yoga - nothing more . Ajay - yes, the software doesn't show a Sarpa Yoga in the D-144 of the chart you supplied - which means that we've still missed something. The only other reason I can think of is that it considers the yoga nullified if two or more benefics (Mercury included) occupy kendras also. This would also justify Venkatesh's chart. However we would need to examine more charts to find out for sure (or ask Narasimhaji!) As to the other point about the Sun becoming benefic (for Nabhasa yogas only, as far as I know), you have probably read the reason for this in Goelji's article. But for those who haven't: Parasara hasn't stated it explicitly, but consider the following yogas given by him: Vajra (Arkti) Yoga - All benefics in 1/7th and all malefics in 4/10th. Yava (Akrti) Yoga - All malefics in 1/7th and all benefics in 4/10th. Now - think a little upon this (Sun, Venus and Mercury in particular) and it becomes clear that we have to make some inferences in order to make the yogas possible at all... That inference is that the Sun must be considered a benefic when joined benefics. Venkatesh - this was the basis on which I said that the Sun would not complete the Sarpa Yoga in the chart you supplied. Best wishes, Samir At 06:15 25/08/2005, you wrote: ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nitin, Pranaam, First, I never claimed that I understand the D-144 chart. Forget D- 144 my understanding has not reached beyond Rasi Chart till now. Second, If you care to read the entire string the confusion was over "Sun being benefic or Malefic" for Nabhasa Yoga. The D-144 chart was mention just to see the malefic in in all three kendra along with "SUN" and considered being benefic by Jhora. Thus Sarpa yoga was not mentioned in that particular division. Third, So lets not deviate from the point and talk about ones awareness to transcend....blah blah blah....because that is not going to yield any beneficial argument for the list. Fourth and last if you have any clues on how and why "Sun" is considered for Nabhassa yogas share with the list. BTW, if you have awareness to transcend not only the conscious, the subconscious, the super, the supra conscious and more for understanding D-144 chart you are most welcome to share. Pranaam Sahodar, Ajay , "Nitin K" <sjc@j...> wrote: > ||| AUM ||| > > Dear Ajay, Namaskaar. > > Would you please share your understanding of what the D-144 would show? > > Do you have the awareness to transcend not only the conscious, the subconscious, the super, the supra conscious and more for understanding this chart...? > > > Best wishes, > Nitin. > > || AUM ||| > > > > -- > "ajayzharotia" <zharotia@d...> > > Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:11:08 -0000 > > >Dear Sameer > > > >Your Point about sun joining benific considered as benific does not > >hold good as you can see in D-144 chart of the following native Sun > >in kendra does not have any conjucation or aspect from benific, is > >still not condisidered as malefic. And it does not show any sarpa > >yoga for the D-144 chart. > > > >It means Sun is not included in the malific list for Sarpa yoga > >calculation. > > > >Deatils > > > >Natal Chart: Native 7 > > > > December 25, 1968 > >Time: 15:00:00 > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > >Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00" > > New Delhi, India > >Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > >What do you say to this. > > > > > >Pranaam > > > >Ajay > > > > > ______________ > Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite . Make your home page http://us.click./dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/C9XolB/TM --~-> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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