[SJC: Achyuta Gurukul] SJC Delhi - doubts regarding curses

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JAI SRIRAM

Dear Panditiji

1.How long the remedies for primary curses should be

done?

 

2.How should to know the curses has been fogiven?

 

3.How should to aware how the dosas(flaws of time) has been removed?

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

 

, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...>

wrote:

> |brihaspatim varenyam|

> Dear Rohini & Sarbani,

> The comments are given below. I have also posed some questions.

Please continue the papers I sent into tomorrows class as well so

that the procedure and principles become very clear to all.

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

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[sentto-1045255-5063-1053680483-srath=vsnl.com@r...]On Behalf

Of Sarbani Sarkar

> Friday, May 23, 2003 2:38 PM

> SJC: Achyuta Gurukulam; Varahamihira

> [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] SJC Delhi - doubts regarding curses

>

>

> Dear Sanjayji and other Gurus,

>

> (For those of you who may wonder why we don't put up our

discussions on the list: we have class every Sunday as Shiv Pujan

takes our classes. Prior to that Sanjayji used to take them. So our

doubts get cleared in class itself. Once in a while when our

teachers are absent, we are send notes and assignments by Sanjayji,

in lieu of his absence. We then put up our questions on the list.)

>

> In last Sundays class we were given an assignment on curses and

how to read evil yogas in a chart. The two examples that we had to

work on was Christopher Reeve's and Sri Rama's charts. Those present

were Rohini Purang, Uma Purang, Saroj Tomar, Gaurav Varma, Deepika

Sanghi, Suneet Kumar, Prashant Narang, Eric and myself.

> [Rath:] What happened to the others? Some names are always missing

in this list.

>

> We had a doubt regarding Rama's chart. Our class notes clearly

stated that the graha drishti of at least two malefics were

essential for a curse. Secondly, benefics which were being cursed,

represented the person cursing. In Rama's chart Jupiter and Moon are

being affected. Jupiter represents the curse of a Brahmin, in this

case Maharshi Narada. Since Moon is conjoined Jupiter, it shows that

the curse will be actualised through mother, that is Kaikeyai. But

will Moon by itself also represent a second curse, a matri shaap, or

Moon is only acting as a medium? Ideally Moon should also show a

second curse, apart from executing Jupiter's curse. If so, then

whose?

> Will there be a pitri shaap as well? Sun is aspected by Saturn,

Rahu and Mars. If not, why?

> (For those who do not have Rama's chart: Lagna: Cancer with

Jupiter and Moon, Saturn in 4th in Libra, Rahu in 6th in

Sagittarius, Mars in 7th in Capricorn, Venus in 9th in Pisces, Sun

in 10th in Aries, Mercury in 11th in Taurus and Ketu in 12th in

Gemini. AL and UL are in Sagittarius.)

>

> [Rath:] Rohini also had a similar question about the chart of

Cristopher Reeve where the curse of uncle was mentioned by me. Now,

follow this procedure in determining curse.

> 1) There will be ONLY ONE primary curse for which the

birth/appearance of the native has occured. The others will be

supplemental and will only support the curse indications.

> 2) When two or more curses exist, determine the most benefic

natural benefic planet in the lot of curses. It is this that

constitutes the primary curse. Others do not exist independantly nor

do any remedies have to be done for them. If the primary curse is

forgiven, then all supplements are also forgiven. So, remedy is ONLY

FOR the primary curse.

> 3) In addition to curses list out the various dosha like sankranti

birth, amavasya or krishna chaturdasi birth etc i.e. flaws of time.

If there is a curse and such a dosha exists, then the curse will

afflict the dosha also. Cure to the dosha shall also come when the

curse lifts or is forgiven.

>

> Now examine the chart of Sri Rama. Here you will see (a) Curse of

Brahmin [Jup in lagna aspected by Mars & Saturn] and (b) curse of

Mother [Moon in Lagna aspected by Mars & Saturn] and © Curse of

father [sun in 10 aspected by Rahu, Mars and Saturn]. Thus there are

THREE curses in the chart of Sri Rama. However, the sacred Ramayana

records ONLY ONE curse as that being of the greatest Brahmana -

Narada muni. So, the principle of recording the curse as being of

the greatest natural benefic is being followed. Among the Jupiter

(Brahmin), Moon (Mother) and Sun (Father), the most benefic planet

is Jupiter. So, the curse is ONLY that of Brahmin.

>

> The other two shall act as supplementary to the major curse and

during the Moola dasa of Saturn, the Pirti curse acted in such a way

that Maharaja Dasaratha was compelled to deprive Rama of the

legitimate throne. See the curse is on the 10th house where the Sun

is placed. The Sun causes Simhasana Yoga as the 2nd Lord in the 10th

house in exaltation, and yet this Simhasana yoga is obstructed by

the 'supplementary' curse. So, when the curse of the Brahmin was to

operate, Sri Rama was deprived of His throne. this deprivation of

throne is attributed to the supplemental 'curse of father - Sun'.

Now, that was not all. Sri Rama also had to go to vanvas (exile).

Why? Moon is Lagna lord in Lagna and will represent mother land

(i.e. the Land where the 'cultural limitation is that of the MOTHER

TONGUE'. I have seen recently how people were arguing in the VA list

about political man-made boundaries! Anyway back to the point. So,

the curse of Mother was another supplemental curse and Sri Rama was

banished from the kingdom for the period of the MOOLA DASA (14

years) of saturn. Thus, the primary curse was that of the Brahmin

and suplemental curses that acted along with the same were those of

the father and mother. Remedy: Sri Rama established the Rameswara

Shiva Linga and offered prayers to Lord Shiva Who is the PRATYADHI

DEVATA of the SUN i.e Agni carries the prayers to the devatas and

then the devatas based on the permission given by Lord Shiva, shall

forgive. This is because of the Tapas bala (fire of penance) of Lord

Shiva. So, Sri Rama has also taught us what to do when we come under

a curse or such terrible things idicated by saturn. Follow Sri Rama

blindly and do exactly as He did and the sins will go. Infact the

very name 'Rama' is enough to remove all curses and sins. Also we

must learn that Rama never ever thought ill of His father or mother

and instead showed us what is the meaning of the word 'maryada'. In

todays world people are forever cursing and shouting at their father

and mother for small things they are deprived of.

>

> I hope it is clear now as to what curse means. So, here the curse

was of Brahmin and supplements were those of father and mother.

> CASE STUDY-01 for next class Chart attached

> Now see my own chart: 7 August 1963 9:15 PM IST, Sambalpur, India

84E01' 21N28.

> My questions for next Sunday (tomorrow's class) -

> 1) List out the Primary and supplemental curses.

> 2) How will this manifest

> 3) What is the remedy (specific mantra etc..be very specific as

this is what you have to do in real life when someone comes for

help).

> 4) What should be my attitude towards the various people.

> 5) List out the doshas and how will they manifest.

> 6) How long is the period of the curse and from when to when. (I

want dates not stories please (smile!).

>

> Christopher Reeve's chart has two curses. Since Saturn is linked

to both of them, his fall of the horse and subsequent paralysis

occurred in Saturn dasha. We were assigned to seek remedies for him.

We were unanimous in feeling that a ugra rupa of Devi, like Kali,

was the only remedy for him. His ishta is Venus, placed in Scorpio,

and aspected only by Saturn (rashi drishti) from Cancer. Venus would

imply Lakshmi. This is strengthened by the fact that Venus is in

Libra in the 4th in Rashi. But some students felt that since Venus

was in Scorpio it should be Chamunda. We need a clarification on

that. His palana karta is Saturn in Cancer. Palana devata is

usually Devi, so we opted for Kali. His BK is also Saturn. Saturn is

thus linked to his ishta, palana devata and his BK. Saturn is the

planet causing the fructification of both the curses in its dasha,

while it was transiting his 8th house, forming kantaka from lagna

and ardha-kantaka from Moon. (The Navamsa lagna is also in

nidhanamsa with a pishacha badhak). Given all these indications

everyone opted for Kali as the remedy.

> The question also arises, will propitiation of Mercury, in the

form of worship of Vishnu, help? The second curse is the worst, with

Mercury being the lord of dusthanas, and the cause of his paralysis.

> [Rath:] There are two curses here as well (1) mercury is a natural

benefic aspected by 3 malefics, and (2) Sun is aspected by Saturn

and Rahu. Thus two things will happen - accident causing paralysis

and ALSO loss of work (Sun) and earnings i.e. his rajyoga ended. How

did you miss this most obvious thing.

> Hope this clears everything. Please get back to me on those

questions.

>

> CASE STUDY - 02 for next class Chart attached

> Srila Prabhupada: September 1, 1986; 3:24' PM LMT, Cal, India

> Questions:

> 1) Is there some curse(s) in this chart? If so, then what are

they and which one shall predominate?

> 2) What is the difference in the meaning and manifestation of

the curse if the Lagna is (a) Sagittarius, (b) Capricorn, and based

on real life, which is the correct lagna.

> 3) What remedy did Sri Prabhupada do consciously or

unconsciously to remove the curse? What was the period of curse and

compare this with the chart of Sri Rama.

> 4) What did Sri Rama do after completing the effect of the

curse? Compare this to what Sri Prabhupada did.

>

> CASE STUDY -03 for next class Chart attached

> Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu February 27, 1486 5:55':47" PM LMT 88E22

23N28

> Questions

> 1) Make a thorough list (do not miss anything) of the curses,

doshas etc in the chart. Which is the primary dosha/curse?

> 2) Compare this to the chart of Sri Rama and explain as to why

Sri Chaitanya was always travelling around India or at Puri for the

most part of this worldly existance.

> 3) What was the remedy that Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu did to

come out of the curse? Time the exact effect and period of the curse.

> 4) What was the dharma path of Sri Chaitanya, and why?

>

> THEORY

> Questions:

> 1) What is the meaning of such curses in the charts of such

high people?

> 2) What is it that we learn from these great lives? How did

they suffer their curses? Did they cry or curse or did they smile?

If so, then what is it that made them so strong against such great

evils.

> 3) Sanischara (Saturn) is the great benefic in a sence that by

punishing us thoroughly in this world (Bhu loka) he ensures that we

dot have to go to Narka (the worst hell below the seven talas) See

Bhagavat Purana for more details on this where Sani fights with the

lord of Narka and other hells. So, is Saturn a *real benefic* in the

spiritual sense? Does he deserve the status of Dharma-raja?

> 4) After completing this lesson you will learn to smile even

when the worst sin and suffering is heaped on you - the maryada of

Rama shall protect all Jyotisha.

> Jaya Sri Ram

> Sanjay Rath

> P.S.

> 1. No questions on the remaining portions???!! Or maybe you want

to ask them in private to me. Rohini ji. Are you satisfied?

> 2. Remember to give printouts of the MOOLA DASA with each chart.