14#----illicit relationships---role of 12th jupiter, asp

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Hi Mukesh,

 

A individual has Jupiter + Ketu in Aries in 11th

house.

A family oreinted person who might have spiritual

inclination,He is not sanyasi or yogi,But yes does go

to religious places and do religious activities in his

day to day Life.In Business he is of loose morals,he

should be living away from his home and

parents.However 11th lord is debiliated,does he has

more girls as friend and strain in relationship with

them.

 

I cannot just predict on basis of jupiter,So

reflecting various aspect.Venus in 12th with Mer and

Sun is creating a doubt about him be a chaste.As mre

dasa has started he will definately a flirt too.Please

verify....

 

--- MUKESH ANAND <mukesha_us wrote:

 

> namaskar shripal,

> can u just let me know how is jupitor postion with

> respect to this discussion in the follwing chart.

> 23.may.1976

> 07.22 am

> delhi

>

> regards

> mukesh anand

>

> --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

>

> > Hi Bharat and All,

> >

> > Adding to my previous point and you have explained

> > it

> > very well about Love,when jupiter creates any kind

> > of

> > relationship with other women than your Wife,even

> if

> > she is married or prostitute etc etc.

> >

> > Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A rahu

> or

> > Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed

> during

> > transit.which means person is very spiritual or

> > principled or ethically of high grade and

> indulging

> > in

> > any such activities,mostly due to transit Jupiter

> > weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus effects

> > strengthing and that person gets involved with

> > something like that.But as I said Jupiter will

> > protect

> > and he will even keep such a realtionship

> throughout

> > Life may be just as Friend or relationship or mind

> > and

> > soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may not

> be

> > too phyical).so that person or relationship create

> > because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to

> foget

> > Jupiter should be strong placement + sign

> wise,else

> > he

> > will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

> >

> > There are such peoples in these world too,who has

> > fall

> > in such relationship,will always be together may

> not

> > be physical but mind and soul experience wise.that

> > is

> > more stronger than physical or lust of todays

> world

> > who trying to be professional from sexual to

> > business.

> >

> > Concluding all relationship made by Good jupiter

> is

> > of

> > Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As Jupiter

> > signifies spiritualism,so that tint will always be

> > observable in such relationship.

> >

> > Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make

> > indulge

> > in many people,but I guess they are trying for

> > something deeper than physical and that is a

> reason

> > that go through what that have to and time also

> > comes

> > when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

> > signifies same thing moe of mind and soul

> > relationship

> > than physical at all.Such people are more prone

> > towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown myths

> of

> > these world has.

> >

> > Most of charts,even for models,actress or anyone

> > from

> > film industry,you will find there planets are

> mostly

> > debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or

> Rahu

> > or

> > even weaker Moon.They believe more in acheiving

> > materialistic values and body rather than being

> > spiritual.There spiritualism is also for material

> > benefits.If anyone has such examples I would like

> to

> > comment on that....

> >

> >

> > --- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

> >

> > > Namaskaar Shripal

> > >

> > > That is why I said, you have to view these

> > > combinations in view of

> > > other placements and combinations.

> > >

> > > Any relationship borne out of pure love

> (complete

> > > identification as in

> > > case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I usually

> > > refrain from using such

> > > words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I am

> sure

> > > you know the reason

> > > why. However, since it was being used in the

> > > discussion, it was to

> > > pick up the same word.

> > >

> > > To further explain what you have pointed out for

> > the

> > > group:

> > > Love is defined as identification:

> > > At a physical level - no identification is

> > possible

> > > and only lust can

> > > exist.

> > > At the level of mind - some emotional

> > identification

> > > is possible and

> > > love can exist but can rapidly change.

> > > At the level of intelligence - ideas and values

> > > identification can

> > > happen and love is much stronger. In some cases,

> > > this too love too can

> > > break.

> > > Complete identification is possible through

> > > Realization of Onlyness.

> > > This is love unrelated to time, mind, values,

> > > intelligence, etc.

> > >

> > > Physical expression may or may not accompany all

> > of

> > > the above. In some

> > > cases, it is forced. In some cases, it is

> natural.

> > > In other cases,

> > > despite desires for the same, yet the physical

> > > expression is decided

> > > against or a suitable environment is not given.

> > One

> > > cannot call all

> > > physical expression as illicit.

> > >

> > > To have a forced physical expression with your

> > wife

> > > when she is not

> > > interested or ready, or to use her physically

> > > without loving her, is

> > > also the nature of illicit relationship. It is

> > > against tradition and

> > > teaching. In that sense, we need to see in what

> > way

> > > we can define all

> > > of the above accurately in Jyotish terms.

> > >

> > > However, coming to the discussion group was

> > having,

> > > Jupiter is not

> > > related to licentious matters as was being

> pointed

> > > out and I gave my

> > > explanation for it only.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Shripal

> > > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > Hi Bharat,

> > > >

> > > > I agree what ou have explained.

> > > >

> > > > Hee I want to point out one thing,relationship

> > is

> > > > illici if it is sexual,But even after you

> happen

> > > to

> > > > have someone whom you Love with your

> Heart,mind

> > > and

> > > > Body whcih is rarest in todays world than it

> is

> > > not

> > > > illicit relationship.

> > > >

> > > > You know beter than anyone what kin of

> > > relationship

> > > > you are holding even with your Wife,Can you

> feel

> > > her?

> > > > Tha I would say you ar having an illicit

> > > relationship

> > > > with your Wife itself.

> > > >

> > > > So first Learn a concept and than follow

> > > rules.Ocean

> > > > is more deper than what you

> think..............

> > > >

> > > > Always remember a story of Radha Krishna,most

> of

> > > > doubts will clear out........

> > > >

> > > > Concluding all relationship is illicit if

> > > > selfish,physical and any way of possessing.So

> > more

> > > you

> > > > avoid that more your soul will be

> happier......

> > > >

> > > > --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar All

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter does not increase the Licentious

> > nature

> > > of

> > > > > Sexual Matters.

> > > > > Jupiter facilitates or removes obstacles to

> a

> > > > > particular desire

> > > > > especially if Mars is involved.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars and Venus cause the sexual desires to

> > > overflow.

> > > > > Mars turns to

> > > > > passion especially when it is connected with

> > > Venus.

> > > > > Mars puts energy

> >

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[Guest guest]

hi,

first of all person is female not male. however right

now there is no such activity tobe chast. but i want

you to predict if in futre she can have iliicit

relationship or not.

 

regards

mukesh anand

 

--- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

 

> Hi Mukesh,

>

> A individual has Jupiter + Ketu in Aries in 11th

> house.

> A family oreinted person who might have spiritual

> inclination,He is not sanyasi or yogi,But yes does

> go

> to religious places and do religious activities in

> his

> day to day Life.In Business he is of loose morals,he

> should be living away from his home and

> parents.However 11th lord is debiliated,does he has

> more girls as friend and strain in relationship with

> them.

>

> I cannot just predict on basis of jupiter,So

> reflecting various aspect.Venus in 12th with Mer

> and

> Sun is creating a doubt about him be a chaste.As mre

> dasa has started he will definately a flirt

> too.Please

> verify....

>

> --- MUKESH ANAND <mukesha_us wrote:

>

> > namaskar shripal,

> > can u just let me know how is jupitor postion with

> > respect to this discussion in the follwing chart.

> > 23.may.1976

> > 07.22 am

> > delhi

> >

> > regards

> > mukesh anand

> >

> > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Bharat and All,

> > >

> > > Adding to my previous point and you have

> explained

> > > it

> > > very well about Love,when jupiter creates any

> kind

> > > of

> > > relationship with other women than your

> Wife,even

> > if

> > > she is married or prostitute etc etc.

> > >

> > > Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A rahu

> > or

> > > Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed

> > during

> > > transit.which means person is very spiritual or

> > > principled or ethically of high grade and

> > indulging

> > > in

> > > any such activities,mostly due to transit

> Jupiter

> > > weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus

> effects

> > > strengthing and that person gets involved with

> > > something like that.But as I said Jupiter will

> > > protect

> > > and he will even keep such a realtionship

> > throughout

> > > Life may be just as Friend or relationship or

> mind

> > > and

> > > soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may not

> > be

> > > too phyical).so that person or relationship

> create

> > > because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to

> > foget

> > > Jupiter should be strong placement + sign

> > wise,else

> > > he

> > > will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

> > >

> > > There are such peoples in these world too,who

> has

> > > fall

> > > in such relationship,will always be together may

> > not

> > > be physical but mind and soul experience

> wise.that

> > > is

> > > more stronger than physical or lust of todays

> > world

> > > who trying to be professional from sexual to

> > > business.

> > >

> > > Concluding all relationship made by Good jupiter

> > is

> > > of

> > > Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As

> Jupiter

> > > signifies spiritualism,so that tint will always

> be

> > > observable in such relationship.

> > >

> > > Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make

> > > indulge

> > > in many people,but I guess they are trying for

> > > something deeper than physical and that is a

> > reason

> > > that go through what that have to and time also

> > > comes

> > > when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

> > > signifies same thing moe of mind and soul

> > > relationship

> > > than physical at all.Such people are more prone

> > > towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown myths

> > of

> > > these world has.

> > >

> > > Most of charts,even for models,actress or anyone

> > > from

> > > film industry,you will find there planets are

> > mostly

> > > debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or

> > Rahu

> > > or

> > > even weaker Moon.They believe more in acheiving

> > > materialistic values and body rather than being

> > > spiritual.There spiritualism is also for

> material

> > > benefits.If anyone has such examples I would

> like

> > to

> > > comment on that....

> > >

> > >

> > > --- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaskaar Shripal

> > > >

> > > > That is why I said, you have to view these

> > > > combinations in view of

> > > > other placements and combinations.

> > > >

> > > > Any relationship borne out of pure love

> > (complete

> > > > identification as in

> > > > case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I usually

> > > > refrain from using such

> > > > words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I am

> > sure

> > > > you know the reason

> > > > why. However, since it was being used in the

> > > > discussion, it was to

> > > > pick up the same word.

> > > >

> > > > To further explain what you have pointed out

> for

> > > the

> > > > group:

> > > > Love is defined as identification:

> > > > At a physical level - no identification is

> > > possible

> > > > and only lust can

> > > > exist.

> > > > At the level of mind - some emotional

> > > identification

> > > > is possible and

> > > > love can exist but can rapidly change.

> > > > At the level of intelligence - ideas and

> values

> > > > identification can

> > > > happen and love is much stronger. In some

> cases,

> > > > this too love too can

> > > > break.

> > > > Complete identification is possible through

> > > > Realization of Onlyness.

> > > > This is love unrelated to time, mind, values,

> > > > intelligence, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Physical expression may or may not accompany

> all

> > > of

> > > > the above. In some

> > > > cases, it is forced. In some cases, it is

> > natural.

> > > > In other cases,

> > > > despite desires for the same, yet the physical

> > > > expression is decided

> > > > against or a suitable environment is not

> given.

> > > One

> > > > cannot call all

> > > > physical expression as illicit.

> > > >

> > > > To have a forced physical expression with your

> > > wife

> > > > when she is not

> > > > interested or ready, or to use her physically

> > > > without loving her, is

> > > > also the nature of illicit relationship. It is

>

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