12#----illicit relationships---role of 12th jupiter, asp

[Guest guest]

Hi Bharat and All,

 

Adding to my previous point and you have explained it

very well about Love,when jupiter creates any kind of

relationship with other women than your Wife,even if

she is married or prostitute etc etc.

 

Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A rahu or

Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed during

transit.which means person is very spiritual or

principled or ethically of high grade and indulging in

any such activities,mostly due to transit Jupiter

weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus effects

strengthing and that person gets involved with

something like that.But as I said Jupiter will protect

and he will even keep such a realtionship throughout

Life may be just as Friend or relationship or mind and

soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may not be

too phyical).so that person or relationship create

because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to foget

Jupiter should be strong placement + sign wise,else he

will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

 

There are such peoples in these world too,who has fall

in such relationship,will always be together may not

be physical but mind and soul experience wise.that is

more stronger than physical or lust of todays world

who trying to be professional from sexual to business.

 

Concluding all relationship made by Good jupiter is of

Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As Jupiter

signifies spiritualism,so that tint will always be

observable in such relationship.

 

Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make indulge

in many people,but I guess they are trying for

something deeper than physical and that is a reason

that go through what that have to and time also comes

when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

signifies same thing moe of mind and soul relationship

than physical at all.Such people are more prone

towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown myths of

these world has.

 

Most of charts,even for models,actress or anyone from

film industry,you will find there planets are mostly

debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or Rahu or

even weaker Moon.They believe more in acheiving

materialistic values and body rather than being

spiritual.There spiritualism is also for material

benefits.If anyone has such examples I would like to

comment on that....

 

 

--- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

 

> Namaskaar Shripal

>

> That is why I said, you have to view these

> combinations in view of

> other placements and combinations.

>

> Any relationship borne out of pure love (complete

> identification as in

> case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I usually

> refrain from using such

> words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I am sure

> you know the reason

> why. However, since it was being used in the

> discussion, it was to

> pick up the same word.

>

> To further explain what you have pointed out for the

> group:

> Love is defined as identification:

> At a physical level - no identification is possible

> and only lust can

> exist.

> At the level of mind - some emotional identification

> is possible and

> love can exist but can rapidly change.

> At the level of intelligence - ideas and values

> identification can

> happen and love is much stronger. In some cases,

> this too love too can

> break.

> Complete identification is possible through

> Realization of Onlyness.

> This is love unrelated to time, mind, values,

> intelligence, etc.

>

> Physical expression may or may not accompany all of

> the above. In some

> cases, it is forced. In some cases, it is natural.

> In other cases,

> despite desires for the same, yet the physical

> expression is decided

> against or a suitable environment is not given. One

> cannot call all

> physical expression as illicit.

>

> To have a forced physical expression with your wife

> when she is not

> interested or ready, or to use her physically

> without loving her, is

> also the nature of illicit relationship. It is

> against tradition and

> teaching. In that sense, we need to see in what way

> we can define all

> of the above accurately in Jyotish terms.

>

> However, coming to the discussion group was having,

> Jupiter is not

> related to licentious matters as was being pointed

> out and I gave my

> explanation for it only.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Shripal

> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > Hi Bharat,

> >

> > I agree what ou have explained.

> >

> > Hee I want to point out one thing,relationship is

> > illici if it is sexual,But even after you happen

> to

> > have someone whom you Love with your Heart,mind

> and

> > Body whcih is rarest in todays world than it is

> not

> > illicit relationship.

> >

> > You know beter than anyone what kin of

> relationship

> > you are holding even with your Wife,Can you feel

> her?

> > Tha I would say you ar having an illicit

> relationship

> > with your Wife itself.

> >

> > So first Learn a concept and than follow

> rules.Ocean

> > is more deper than what you think..............

> >

> > Always remember a story of Radha Krishna,most of

> > doubts will clear out........

> >

> > Concluding all relationship is illicit if

> > selfish,physical and any way of possessing.So more

> you

> > avoid that more your soul will be happier......

> >

> > --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> >

> > > Namaskaar All

> > >

> > > Jupiter does not increase the Licentious nature

> of

> > > Sexual Matters.

> > > Jupiter facilitates or removes obstacles to a

> > > particular desire

> > > especially if Mars is involved.

> > >

> > > Mars and Venus cause the sexual desires to

> overflow.

> > > Mars turns to

> > > passion especially when it is connected with

> Venus.

> > > Mars puts energy

> > > behind Love and wants to act. The act itself is

> of

> > > procreation. For

> > > the act, a suitable environment is needed.

> Jupiter

> > > can create that

> > > environment if placed well. The 12th house

> placement

> > > shows environment

> > > and not the actual act.

> > >

> > > The analysis should not end in here.

> Furthermore,

> > > Jupiter being the

> > > natural karaka for husband, it should protect

> the

> > > marriage. But what

> > > if, the girl thinks of the 2nd man as closer to

> > > husband material (in

> > > case of girl). This can happen with vipreet

> buddhi.

> > > Affliction to Moon

> > > and Mercury can cause this. Misplaced emotions

> and

> > > analysis.

> > >

> > > Jupiter in the 12th house also shows the house

> of

> > > giving. It may

> > > sacrifice the body for the pleasure of the other

> > > one. This ofcourse

> > > has to be related to other possible

> combinations.

> > >

> > > I think such a subject should be related in

> depth

> > > and not in a single

> > > or two combinations.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Bharat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, shyam

> murti

> > > gupta

> > > <smurti_gupta> wrote:

> > > > Respected GuruJan,

> > > > "Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H

> > > Jupiter gives loose

> > > morals"

> > > > "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in

> navamsa

> > > increases the

> > > licentious nature in sexual matters."

> > > > I just wish to concur with Utpal ji citing

> my

> > > own case where

> > > Jupiter (Le) is 12th from moon (Vi) apected by

> > > swaxetri Venus (Ta) and

> > > Mars (Q) but not that short of happend so for.

> > > > with best regards

> > > > sincerely

> > > > shy

> > > >

> > > > Note: forwarded message attached.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

>

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam

> > > protection around

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Kumarji,

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > <Does this mean Illicit relationsships as 12H

> > > Jupiter gives loose

> > > morals.>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to intervene here. 12H Jupiter gives

> loose

> > > moral is a

> > > extremely generalise statement. It all depends

> upon

> > > strength/weakness

> > > of Jupiter and many other things. i am sure you

> > > surely know this.

> > > >

> > > > i know many people who has Ju in 12th. my very

> > > close friend has Ju

> > > in 12th in Dhanu and he is spottlessly clean in

> > > Character.

> > > >

> > > > "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in

> navamsa

> > > increases the

> > > licentious nature in sexual matters."

> > > >

> > > > in my own chart, Mars, Venus & Sun are in 2nd

> in

> > > Dhanu in D9

> > > Aspected by Jupier who is with Ketu palced in

> leo.

> > > >

> > > > in my Rashi chart Mars + Venus in Lagna

> aspected

> > > strongly by Guru

> > > from 7th from Dhanu. I never ever went outside

> > > marriage line before or

> > > after marriage and never shall it happen.

> > > >

> > > > forgive me to flash light of caution to

> already a

> > > learned.

> > > >

> > > > best regards,

> > > >

> > > > Utpal Pathak

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sunilkumar varanasi <skumar_varanasi>

> wrote:

> > > > Jai Sai Ram

> > > >

> > > > Respected Members & Guru ji's/Shri PVR Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I read Jupiter in 12H in Raasi chart will give

> > > good sexual

> > > pleasure.Does this mean Illicit relationsships

> as

> > > 12H Jupiter gives

> > > loose morals.

> > > >

> > > > "Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in

> navamsa

> > > increases the

> > > licentious nature in sexual matters."

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Also does the above sentence holds good for

> venus

> > > and mars in 2H

> > > from AL in Navamsa with Guru's aspect (9th

> vision).

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Sunil Kumar Varanasi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: Dear

> > > Tarun,

> > > >

> > > > Guru's aspect on Venus and Mars in 2nd in

> navamsa

> > > increases the

> > > licentious nature in sexual matters.

> > > >

> > > > According to Puranic stories, Brihaspati raped

> an

> > > unwilling Mamata,

> > > wife of Brihaspati's elder brother Utathya. The

> > > child born due to

> > > Brihaspati's moment of weakness, Kacha, was

> > > brilliant and he is the

> > > one who learnt the Mrita Sanjivini mantra from

> > > Sukracharya, teacher of

> > > demons.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, even Brihaspati had to pay for his

> > > karma. His own wife

> > > Tara fell in love with Moon and had a child with

> > > Moon, giving much

> > > grief to Brihaspati. Mercury was born to Tara as

> a

> > > result and Jupiter

> > > accepted him as his son later.

> > > >

> > > > So Jupiter is associated with two stories of

> > > immoral extra-marital

> > > affairs - once on the receiving end and once

> once on

> > > the other end.

> > > >

> > > > Though mythological stories help us sometimes

> to

> > > make sense of

> > > astrological combinations, a better way to

> > > appreciate those stories is

> > > by understanding the metaphors in them. Puranic

> > > stories are full of

> > > metaphors. I am not saying that the stories are

> > > unreal. They may be a

> > > real in a different space or a different loka.

> > > However, given that

> > > each human being is a microcosm of the entire

> > > universe and that

> > > various lokas, devas and asuras exist in each

> human

> > > being, one can see

> > > that various Puranic stories are re-occurring

> within

> > > each human being

> > > at various times, metaphorically speaking.

> > > >

> > > > For example, let us understand the metaphors

> in

> > > the above stories.

> > > >

> > > > Who is Brihaspati? As astrologers, we know

> that

> > > Jupiter shows the

> > > wisdom and intelligence in a person. He shows

> the

> > > dhee of a person.

> > > What does Mamata show? Mamata means

> ego-centricism,

> > > selfishness etc

> > > (mama-ta=mine-ness). In other words, Mamata of

> > > mythology is a metaphor

> > > for the selfishness within us.

> > > >

> > > > Is ego-centricism/selfishness the correct

> > > companion to wisdom? Of

> > > course not. No wonder, Mamata is not

> Brihaspati's

> > > wife. Brihaspati's

> > > wife is Tara. By the meaning of name, Tara

> stands

> > > for a radiant and

> > > brilliant protecting force that carries across.

> Such

> > > a force is the

> > > right companion to wisdom. While male element

> shows

> > > the existential

> > > potentiality, female element shows the engulfing

> > > energy and the actual

> > > manifestation. Thus, Brihaspati's manifestation

> is

> > > thru the energy of

> > > Tara. No wonder the purpose of wisdom,

> intelligence

> > > and dhee is to

> > > radiate brilliance, protect one and carry one

> > > across. That is how

> > > wisdom is supposed to manifest!

> > > >

> > > > Also no wonder Rishi DirghaTamas was Mamata's

> son

> > > thru her real

> > > husband Utathya. Utathya could mean certainty or

> > > confidence that comes

> > > with great learning. That confidence is born

> before

> > > wisdom (elder

> > > brother). When such great confidence combines

> with

> > > ego-centricism,

> > > excellent knowledge is born which is also blind

> > > forever. No wonder,

> > > Utathya and Mamata had a child named Dirgha

> Tamas

> > > (long darkness), who

> > > was very learned but blind.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, coming back to the main story,

> > > ego-centricism and

> > > selfishness are not the correct companion to

> wisdom.

> > > But, if wisdom

> > > finds selfishness attractive and combines with

> it

> > > once, it is not bad

> > > after all. Without some selfishness, a lot of

> > > abilities of wisdom go

> > > wasted in a sense! When Brihaspati (wisdom)

> combined

> > > with

> > > non-cooperative selfishness (Mamata), it

> resulted in

> > > the birth of

> > > practically inclined brilliance (Kacha)!

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, when the mind (Moon) and the

> brilliant

> > > protecting and

> > > carrying force of wisdom (Tara, wife of

> Brihaspati)

> > > combine, the

> > > learning ability (Mercury) is produced!!!

> Learning

> > > ability (Mercury)

> > > of the product (son) of mind (Moon), but it is

> > > accepted and nurtured

> > > by wisdom and intelligence (Jupiter).

> > > >

> > > > As time is short, I will not speak of the

> > > metaphors in the story of

> > > Sukracharya, Kacha, Devayani, Asuras and Mrita

> > > Sajivini mantra.

> > > >

> > > > All this is just the tip of the iceberg. There

> is

> > > so much more to

> > > the Puranic stories. The metaphors in Puranic

> > > stories are very

> > > meaningful and illuminating. Sometimes, there

> are

> > > astrological links

> > > to the metaphors. I am not such a good scholar

> in

> > > Puranic stories.

> > > But, even with my limited knowledge, I see so

> much

> > > Light in those stories!

> > > >

> > > > I covered this to some extent in my first few

> > > Sunday classes at

> > > Dracut, MA, USA. MP3 audio is freely

> downloadable at

> > > the link given below.

> > > >

> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------------

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):

> > > http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org SJC

> > > website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

-------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > hello forum members,

> > > > >

> > > > > i got this data frm a shri Rath's serbia

> > > website.

> > > > >

> > > > > yogas in navamsha varga

> > > > >

> > > > > There are some additional Yogas such as

> Bahoo

> > > Stree Yoga which

> > > were present in some of the horoscope, which is

> > > formed by mangal and

> > > shukra influence over 2nd house, while guru

> > > influence may enhance

> > > immorality, ketu lorded by Shri Ganesh can

> > > definitely stop it. Guru in

> > > trines or other chastity Yogas such as

> > > dharmakarmadhipaty may also

> > > counteract the evil influence.

> > > > >

> > > > > kindly suggest something that ...why guru is

> > > said to be enhancing

> > > immorality ..

> > > > >

> > > > > because many members have previously said

> that

> > > Guru is guru its

> > > totally of nice morals...

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > tarun.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Archives:

> > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > >

> >

>

vedic astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us

> .......

> > > >

> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Too much spam in your inbox? Mail gives

> you

> > > the best spam

> > > protection for FREE!

> > > > http://in.mail.

> > > >

> > > > Archives:

> > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Group info:

> > >

> >

>

vedic astrology/info.html

> > > >

> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > vedic astrology-

> > > >

> > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us

> .......

> > > >

> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > Krishnaarpanamastu ||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "vedic astrology" on the

> web.

> > > >

> > > > To from this group, send an

> email

> > > to:

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > Your use of is subject to

> the

> > > Terms of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mail Mobile

> > > > Take Mail with you! Check email on

> your

> > > mobile phone.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Love is the beauty of the soul

> >

> >

> >

> >

> __

>

> > Sports

> > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy

> Football

> > http://football.fantasysports.

>

>

>

 

 

Love is the beauty of the soul

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

namaskar shripal,

can u just let me know how is jupitor postion with

respect to this discussion in the follwing chart.

23.may.1976

07.22 am

delhi

 

regards

mukesh anand

 

--- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

 

> Hi Bharat and All,

>

> Adding to my previous point and you have explained

> it

> very well about Love,when jupiter creates any kind

> of

> relationship with other women than your Wife,even if

> she is married or prostitute etc etc.

>

> Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A rahu or

> Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed during

> transit.which means person is very spiritual or

> principled or ethically of high grade and indulging

> in

> any such activities,mostly due to transit Jupiter

> weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus effects

> strengthing and that person gets involved with

> something like that.But as I said Jupiter will

> protect

> and he will even keep such a realtionship throughout

> Life may be just as Friend or relationship or mind

> and

> soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may not be

> too phyical).so that person or relationship create

> because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to foget

> Jupiter should be strong placement + sign wise,else

> he

> will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

>

> There are such peoples in these world too,who has

> fall

> in such relationship,will always be together may not

> be physical but mind and soul experience wise.that

> is

> more stronger than physical or lust of todays world

> who trying to be professional from sexual to

> business.

>

> Concluding all relationship made by Good jupiter is

> of

> Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As Jupiter

> signifies spiritualism,so that tint will always be

> observable in such relationship.

>

> Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make

> indulge

> in many people,but I guess they are trying for

> something deeper than physical and that is a reason

> that go through what that have to and time also

> comes

> when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

> signifies same thing moe of mind and soul

> relationship

> than physical at all.Such people are more prone

> towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown myths of

> these world has.

>

> Most of charts,even for models,actress or anyone

> from

> film industry,you will find there planets are mostly

> debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or Rahu

> or

> even weaker Moon.They believe more in acheiving

> materialistic values and body rather than being

> spiritual.There spiritualism is also for material

> benefits.If anyone has such examples I would like to

> comment on that....

>

>

> --- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

>

> > Namaskaar Shripal

> >

> > That is why I said, you have to view these

> > combinations in view of

> > other placements and combinations.

> >

> > Any relationship borne out of pure love (complete

> > identification as in

> > case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I usually

> > refrain from using such

> > words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I am sure

> > you know the reason

> > why. However, since it was being used in the

> > discussion, it was to

> > pick up the same word.

> >

> > To further explain what you have pointed out for

> the

> > group:

> > Love is defined as identification:

> > At a physical level - no identification is

> possible

> > and only lust can

> > exist.

> > At the level of mind - some emotional

> identification

> > is possible and

> > love can exist but can rapidly change.

> > At the level of intelligence - ideas and values

> > identification can

> > happen and love is much stronger. In some cases,

> > this too love too can

> > break.

> > Complete identification is possible through

> > Realization of Onlyness.

> > This is love unrelated to time, mind, values,

> > intelligence, etc.

> >

> > Physical expression may or may not accompany all

> of

> > the above. In some

> > cases, it is forced. In some cases, it is natural.

> > In other cases,

> > despite desires for the same, yet the physical

> > expression is decided

> > against or a suitable environment is not given.

> One

> > cannot call all

> > physical expression as illicit.

> >

> > To have a forced physical expression with your

> wife

> > when she is not

> > interested or ready, or to use her physically

> > without loving her, is

> > also the nature of illicit relationship. It is

> > against tradition and

> > teaching. In that sense, we need to see in what

> way

> > we can define all

> > of the above accurately in Jyotish terms.

> >

> > However, coming to the discussion group was

> having,

> > Jupiter is not

> > related to licentious matters as was being pointed

> > out and I gave my

> > explanation for it only.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Shripal

> > <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > Hi Bharat,

> > >

> > > I agree what ou have explained.

> > >

> > > Hee I want to point out one thing,relationship

> is

> > > illici if it is sexual,But even after you happen

> > to

> > > have someone whom you Love with your Heart,mind

> > and

> > > Body whcih is rarest in todays world than it is

> > not

> > > illicit relationship.

> > >

> > > You know beter than anyone what kin of

> > relationship

> > > you are holding even with your Wife,Can you feel

> > her?

> > > Tha I would say you ar having an illicit

> > relationship

> > > with your Wife itself.

> > >

> > > So first Learn a concept and than follow

> > rules.Ocean

> > > is more deper than what you think..............

> > >

> > > Always remember a story of Radha Krishna,most of

> > > doubts will clear out........

> > >

> > > Concluding all relationship is illicit if

> > > selfish,physical and any way of possessing.So

> more

> > you

> > > avoid that more your soul will be happier......

> > >

> > > --- bharateiya <bharateiya> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Namaskaar All

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter does not increase the Licentious

> nature

> > of

> > > > Sexual Matters.

> > > > Jupiter facilitates or removes obstacles to a

> > > > particular desire

> > > > especially if Mars is involved.

> > > >

> > > > Mars and Venus cause the sexual desires to

> > overflow.

> > > > Mars turns to

> > > > passion especially when it is connected with

> > Venus.

> > > > Mars puts energy

>

=== message truncated ===