Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Samir, Sorry for intervening, but the way I have learned it, is also the same, that is the houses owned by the malefics will show the area of suffering. Sometimes one of the malefics are involved in secondary curses as well, then that malefic which is commonly involved in most of the curses, and will deliver the suffering. In Rama's chart, Saturn is 7th lord in the 4th: both marriage and domestic happiness was affected. But yes it is through the 7th house that his suffering came primarily. Look at the pitr shaapa in the 10th as well: he was denied the throne and kingdom, because of the curse thorough the father. Best Regards, Sarbani [] On Behalf Of Samir ShahMonday, June 20, 2005 10:38 AMTo: Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, Namaskar I can't answer this querry as I dont heard about it. I know only about the lessons which are described by the karaka of the planet. Venus - be careful in relationship with opposite sex. Jupiter - be careful about Your attitude towards Guru etc. Thanks - I'll stick to that for now. I'll try and dig out the posts where Guruji used this method.I also have a curse - of Guru - in my chart. Jupiter is afflicted by Mars and Saturn, and I'm currently running Saturn Moola Dasa . Thanks for the VRA reference - I have to read it several more times before everything goes in. In that example and a few others, Sanjayji only uses the houses lorded by Saturn to see where the results will be - so in Sri Rama's case the houses lorded by Saturn showed the results. But Mars is also causing the curse and Aries/Scorpio did not manifest the curse... so are we to take the more malefic planet (from all the ones that are afflicting) and use that? Or does it depend on which malefic is stronger?Thanks for all your help,Samir ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Supriti, Can you give me the chart details please? I am doing some work on Venus and this might help. Best Regards, Sarbani [] On Behalf Of Supriti MajumdarMonday, June 20, 2005 6:50 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |OM KRISHNA GURU| Dear Rafal, Native can work hard at times, but she has a weak constitution so she gets tired very easily. She shies away from commiting to a relationship, but once she's in a relationship, she's not shy. SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti, I dont take Navamsa Lagna for how we look like, it is complicated and I am not sure about that, instead I take abilities. Saturn in Lagna can indicate that native can work very hard consistently. Saturn in Lagna also can mean that person is shy in relationships. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:32 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members Thank you for looking into this. About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa in it. Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3 years (to be married next year) was cheating on her. When do you think she will get married? Sincerely, Supriti Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarThank you for the clarifications. Your point about the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation is not good for the houses it lords. I have just a couple of queries:1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign occupied by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus) shows the lesson that must be learned from the curse. So maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be balanced and just towards others - specifically lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle correctly?2. Guruji has also written in the past that the houses lorded by the afflicted planet can indicate the area the curse will manifest, as well as the houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the curse. So the question is, is there a way to determine whether the effects will be seen in the houses lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?Thank you,SamirAt 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________Message: 10 Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>Re: Re: Curse of a spouseII Hare Rama Krsna IIDear Samir, SupritiYes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second of the lover.Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are attacked by the curse/s.When they are two benefic's conjoins then we choose the higher benefic.Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma / travels.Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as obstacles are small, butof course it is not so good for lordship. It is like Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some planet then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are mixed effects.This is however how I understood this problems.Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana, which can give bad health, person is also dominating.Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good health, but Lagna Lord is Sunso person will be concious about getting good medicine.The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30 seconds before..so we must be careful. with regards,Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sarbani Ji, Namaskar Not at all - I am always grateful for guidance from you and the other Gurus. Thank you for your guidance - I will use that understanding from now. Most likely I misread or misunderstood something that Guruji had written in the archives, which is why I had the wrong impression. Best wishes, Samir "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:50 am RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Samir, Sorry for intervening, but the way I have learned it, is also the same, that is the houses owned by the malefics will show the area of suffering. Sometimes one of the malefics are involved in secondary curses as well, then that malefic which is commonly involved in most of the curses, and will deliver the suffering. In Rama's chart, Saturn is 7th lord in the 4th: both marriage and domestic happiness was affected. But yes it is through the 7th house that his suffering came primarily. Look at the pitr shaapa in the 10th as well: he was denied the throne and kingdom, because of the curse thorough the father. Best Regards, Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Sameer, Namaskar Vistiji pointed out recently that the Sun/Ketu can also have a say in bringing about curses. Also, in your chart, the AK Mercury and 8th lord Saturn are both very much involved, along with the fact that Venus is Badhakesh, so this might be why he felt there was a curse, and that it would indeed manifest. Slightly separately, the 9th lord Jupiter is also in Badhakasthana. That said, I'll wait for Rafal and other members to comment. Best wishes, Samir "sameer_sawhney" <icecoolsam Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:18 am [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Hi Rafal, Is it must that atleast two out of Ra,Sa and Mars have graha drishti on Venus for curse of spouse to manifest ? I remember Visti pointing out the same for me too but I dont satisfy the above condition. My chart details are 27 July,76 6:25am, India (76e47,30n44). Regards, Sameer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Samir, Namaskar 1. If we have the curse of a Guru, the questioning of whole or some part of institution of Guru will give serious problems. 2. Yes, this kind of books should be read whole life again and again. Knowledge of Veda is Satvic which mean it is 3-dimensional, the more satva we have - we can dig deeper. 3. Mars houses will also suffer. We take houses of this two malefics. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Samir Shah Monday, June 20, 2005 7:08 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, Namaskar I can't answer this querry as I dont heard about it. I know only about the lessons which are described by the karaka of the planet. Venus - be careful in relationship with opposite sex. Jupiter - be careful about Your attitude towards Guru etc. Thanks - I'll stick to that for now. I'll try and dig out the posts where Guruji used this method.I also have a curse - of Guru - in my chart. Jupiter is afflicted by Mars and Saturn, and I'm currently running Saturn Moola Dasa . Thanks for the VRA reference - I have to read it several more times before everything goes in. In that example and a few others, Sanjayji only uses the houses lorded by Saturn to see where the results will be - so in Sri Rama's case the houses lorded by Saturn showed the results. But Mars is also causing the curse and Aries/Scorpio did not manifest the curse... so are we to take the more malefic planet (from all the ones that are afflicting) and use that? Or does it depend on which malefic is stronger?Thanks for all your help,Samir ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Sameer, It seems that Visti took Sun in this situation. Maybe because it is Marakesh. In past when I was speaking with Guruji He mentions : Ra, Ma, Sa. with regards, Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Samir, Namaskar, Some useful point : When Badhekesh is in bad Yoga, but in Badhak Sthan are good situation then this planet (in B.Sthan) will try get out the native from badhak (obstruction and troubles). with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Samir Shah Monday, June 20, 2005 11:12 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Sameer, NamaskarVistiji pointed out recently that the Sun/Ketu can also have a say in bringing about curses. Also, in your chart, the AK Mercury and 8th lord Saturn are both very much involved, along with the fact that Venus is Badhakesh, so this might be why he felt there was a curse, and that it would indeed manifest. Slightly separately, the 9th lord Jupiter is also in Badhakasthana.That said, I'll wait for Rafal and other members to comment.Best wishes,Samir "sameer_sawhney" <icecoolsam Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:18 am Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Hi Rafal,Is it must that atleast two out of Ra,Sa and Mars have graha drishtion Venus for curse of spouse to manifest ?I remember Visti pointing out the same for me too but I dont satisfythe above condition.My chart details are 27 July,76 6:25am, India (76e47,30n44).Regards,Sameer~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Rafal, Yes she is a very good singer and is good at yoga too, so I agree Ta Lagna suits her. Thank you for clarifying that. Sincerely, SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti: Sorry for mistypo. Not Capricorn but Taurus. She had also Moon in Kona, so singing or Yoga should be one of her natural traits. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Monday, June 20, 2005 3:20 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |OM KRISHNA GURU| Dear Rafal, Native can work hard at times, but she has a weak constitution so she gets tired very easily. She shies away from commiting to a relationship, but once she's in a relationship, she's not shy. SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti, I dont take Navamsa Lagna for how we look like, it is complicated and I am not sure about that, instead I take abilities. Saturn in Lagna can indicate that native can work very hard consistently. Saturn in Lagna also can mean that person is shy in relationships. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:32 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members Thank you for looking into this. About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa in it. Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3 years (to be married next year) was cheating on her. When do you think she will get married? Sincerely, Supriti Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarThank you for the clarifications. Your point about the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation is not good for the houses it lords. I have just a couple of queries:1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign occupied by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus) shows the lesson that must be learned from the curse. So maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be balanced and just towards others - specifically lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle correctly?2. Guruji has also written in the past that the houses lorded by the afflicted planet can indicate the area the curse will manifest, as well as the houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the curse. So the question is, is there a way to determine whether the effects will be seen in the houses lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?Thank you,SamirAt 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________Message: 10 Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>Re: Re: Curse of a spouseII Hare Rama Krsna IIDear Samir, SupritiYes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second of the lover.Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are attacked by the curse/s.When they are two benefic's conjoins then we choose the higher benefic.Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma / travels.Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as obstacles are small, butof course it is not so good for lordship. It is like Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some planet then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are mixed effects.This is however how I understood this problems.Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana, which can give bad health, person is also dominating.Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good health, but Lagna Lord is Sunso person will be concious about getting good medicine.The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30 seconds before..so we must be careful. with regards,Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Rafal, Thank you for analyzing that. Sincerely, SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti, I see a chance from April 2006, as Dwi-Saptati and Vimshottari would give planet in Trikona to 2H in D-9, and Narayana Dasa give a sign which is aspected by Venus. To 2010 She must get married as her Narayana Pravesh Chakra has Srimanth Yoga which usually gives marriage. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Monday, June 20, 2005 3:26 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |Om Gurave Namah| Dear Rafal, Michal, She has decided to call off the wedding due to her fiance's indiscretions. Are you saying that if she breaks off this relationship, she will still get married next year. Thank you. Sincerely, SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear Michal Ji, Namaskar, 1. Yes, Rahu seems stronger, but Saturn is still 7L. Stronger doesnt mean exclusive. 2. Dwi saptati is one of the Conditional Udu dasas. (Applicable when LL is in 7H or 7H in L) Reference : - Vimshottari and Udu Dasas *Page 35 *Page 217-228. - BHPS Chapter 48/37-39 with regards, Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal > <> Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:05 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar,> > This rule will apply if we take Saturn as lord of 7th,> but Rahu is aspected by Jupiter, so is it not 7th lord> for all purposes? > Also, what is Dwi saptati?> > Respectfully,> Michal.> > Om Namo Narayanaya > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Michal, Supriti,>> Namaskar,>> >> > Hare Rama Krsna >> > >> > Dear Supriti and list members,>> > >> > Rahu is seventh lord in mulatrikona with UL, so>> > deviance can be expected from partner. The second>> > house from UL shows the sustenance, and I would>> guess>> > her partner might buy her nice things, perfumes,>> > flowers, to compensate. Perhaps she may have been>> > aware of selling herself short since this same>> > combination falls in the 12th from AL. She is>> running>> > Narayana dasa of Libra (giving results of Aries>> with>> > A7) which puts this Venus in the seventh from dasa>> > rasi, about to be transitted by Jupiter next year.>> >> >> Yes. We start Narayana Dasa from 7H so we take 7H>> from Dasa Rasi in Maha Dasa analysis BUT when 7L is>> in L or L is in 7H then this rule is out. So there>> is Aries as Saturn is in Lagna.>> >> >> >> In Vimshottari dasa, Mercury antar begins next year,>> as>> > lord of UL. Things could go as already planned.>> >> Venus in Dwi-saptati, so some expenditures on>> maintaince of marriage,>> as Michal Ji wrote.>> >> Hope this helps,>> with regards,>> Rafal Gendarz>> >> > If I've missed something, I hope to be corrected.>> > Respectfully,>> > Michal.>> > >> > Om Namo Narayanaya >> > >> > --- Supriti Majumdar <supriti15 > wrote:>> > >> >> Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members>> >> >> >> Thank you for looking into this.>> >> >> >> About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and>> >> beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa>> in>> >> it. >> >> >> >> Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3>> >> years (to be married next year) was cheating on>> her.>> >> When do you think she will get married?>> >> >> >> Sincerely,>> >> Supriti>> >> >> >> Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote:>> >> || Hare Rama Krsna ||>> >> >> >> Dear Rafal, Namaskar>> >> >> >> Thank you for the clarifications. Your point>> about>> >> the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation>> is>> >> not good for the houses it lords. >> >> >> >> I have just a couple of queries:>> >> >> >> 1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign>> occupied>> >> by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus)>> shows>> >> the lesson that must be learned from the curse. >> So>> >> maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be>> >> balanced and just towards others - specifically>> >> lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle>> >> correctly?>> >> >> >> 2. Guruji has also written in the past that the>> >> houses lorded by the afflicted planet can>> indicate>> >> the area the curse will manifest, as well as the>> >> houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the>> curse. >> >> So the question is, is there a way to determine>> >> whether the effects will be seen in the houses>> >> lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the>> >> afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?>> >> >> >> Thank you,>> >> >> >> Samir>> >> >> >> >> >> At 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote:>> >>>> >>>> ______________________>> >> >> >> Message: 10 >> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200>> >> "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>>> >> Re: Re: Curse of a spouse>> >> >> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Samir, Supriti>> >> >> >> Yes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second>> of>> >> the lover.>> >> Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are>> >> attacked by the curse/s.>> >> When they are two benefic's conjoins then we>> choose>> >> the higher benefic.>> >> >> >> Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.>> >> Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma />> >> travels.>> >> >> >> Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as>> >> obstacles are small, but>> >> of course it is not so good for lordship. It is>> like>> >> Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some>> planet>> >> then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way>> >> Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are>> mixed>> >> effects.>> >> This is however how I understood this problems.>> >> >> >> Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana,>> >> which can give bad health, person is also>> >> dominating.>> >> >> >> Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good>> health,>> >> but Lagna Lord is Sun>> >> so person will be concious about getting good>> >> medicine.>> >> >> >> >> >> The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30>> >> seconds before..so we must be careful. >> >> >> >> with regards,>> >> Rafal Gendarz>> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~>> >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>> Achyuta>> >> Ashram. >> >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra>> 'Hare>> >> Rama Krishna'>> >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>> >> Great who said that the human stomach should not>> >> become a graveyard for animals.>> >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one>> >> free chart reading today >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links>> >> >> >> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> >> />> >> >> >> To from this group, send an email>> to:>> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to the>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sports>> >> Rekindle the Rivalries. 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Supriti, Nice to hear that. Navamsa-rectification problem is over. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Monday, June 20, 2005 3:01 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |Om Krishna Guru| Dear Rafal, Yes she is a very good singer and is good at yoga too, so I agree Ta Lagna suits her. Thank you for clarifying that. Sincerely, SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti: Sorry for mistypo. Not Capricorn but Taurus. She had also Moon in Kona, so singing or Yoga should be one of her natural traits. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Monday, June 20, 2005 3:20 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |OM KRISHNA GURU| Dear Rafal, Native can work hard at times, but she has a weak constitution so she gets tired very easily. She shies away from commiting to a relationship, but once she's in a relationship, she's not shy. SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti, I dont take Navamsa Lagna for how we look like, it is complicated and I am not sure about that, instead I take abilities. Saturn in Lagna can indicate that native can work very hard consistently. Saturn in Lagna also can mean that person is shy in relationships. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:32 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members Thank you for looking into this. About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa in it. Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3 years (to be married next year) was cheating on her. When do you think she will get married? Sincerely, Supriti Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarThank you for the clarifications. Your point about the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation is not good for the houses it lords. I have just a couple of queries:1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign occupied by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus) shows the lesson that must be learned from the curse. So maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be balanced and just towards others - specifically lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle correctly?2. Guruji has also written in the past that the houses lorded by the afflicted planet can indicate the area the curse will manifest, as well as the houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the curse. So the question is, is there a way to determine whether the effects will be seen in the houses lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?Thank you,SamirAt 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________Message: 10 Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>Re: Re: Curse of a spouseII Hare Rama Krsna IIDear Samir, SupritiYes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second of the lover.Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are attacked by the curse/s.When they are two benefic's conjoins then we choose the higher benefic.Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma / travels.Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as obstacles are small, butof course it is not so good for lordship. It is like Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some planet then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are mixed effects.This is however how I understood this problems.Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana, which can give bad health, person is also dominating.Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good health, but Lagna Lord is Sunso person will be concious about getting good medicine.The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30 seconds before..so we must be careful. with regards,Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Sarbani, Here are the chart details: Sushmita Natal Chart November 18, 1977Time: 23:22:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 22' 00", 22 N 34' 00" Calcutta, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - KarthikaTithi: Sukla Navami (Su) (64.05% left)Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)Nakshatra: Satabhishak (Ra) (52.06% left) Sincerely, Supriti Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Supriti, Can you give me the chart details please? I am doing some work on Venus and this might help. Best Regards, Sarbani [] On Behalf Of Supriti MajumdarMonday, June 20, 2005 6:50 AMTo: Subject: Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse |OM KRISHNA GURU| Dear Rafal, Native can work hard at times, but she has a weak constitution so she gets tired very easily. She shies away from commiting to a relationship, but once she's in a relationship, she's not shy. SupritiRafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Supriti, I dont take Navamsa Lagna for how we look like, it is complicated and I am not sure about that, instead I take abilities. Saturn in Lagna can indicate that native can work very hard consistently. Saturn in Lagna also can mean that person is shy in relationships. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Supriti Majumdar Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:32 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members Thank you for looking into this. About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa in it. Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3 years (to be married next year) was cheating on her. When do you think she will get married? Sincerely, Supriti Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote: || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarThank you for the clarifications. Your point about the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation is not good for the houses it lords. I have just a couple of queries:1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign occupied by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus) shows the lesson that must be learned from the curse. So maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be balanced and just towards others - specifically lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle correctly?2. Guruji has also written in the past that the houses lorded by the afflicted planet can indicate the area the curse will manifest, as well as the houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the curse. So the question is, is there a way to determine whether the effects will be seen in the houses lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?Thank you,SamirAt 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________Message: 10 Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>Re: Re: Curse of a spouseII Hare Rama Krsna IIDear Samir, SupritiYes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second of the lover.Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are attacked by the curse/s.When they are two benefic's conjoins then we choose the higher benefic.Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma / travels.Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as obstacles are small, butof course it is not so good for lordship. It is like Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some planet then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are mixed effects.This is however how I understood this problems.Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana, which can give bad health, person is also dominating.Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good health, but Lagna Lord is Sunso person will be concious about getting good medicine.The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30 seconds before..so we must be careful. with regards,Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Dear Rafal, Namaskar, Where can I find reference to this rule? I have searched Sanjayji's Narayana Dasa book, but cannot find any such reference, do you have it of hand? Rahu is used to calculate the span of dasa, so I would have thought it to be also the lord for such an exception. I will also endeavour to do some work to see what works in practice. Appreciatively, Michal. Om Namo Narayanaya Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear Michal Ji, Namaskar, 1. Yes, Rahu seems stronger, but Saturn is still 7L. Stronger doesnt mean exclusive. 2. Dwi saptati is one of the Conditional Udu dasas. (Applicable when LL is in 7H or 7H in L) Reference : - Vimshottari and Udu Dasas *Page 35 *Page 217-228. - BHPS Chapter 48/37-39 with regards, Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal > <> Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:05 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar,> > This rule will apply if we take Saturn as lord of 7th,> but Rahu is aspected by Jupiter, so is it not 7th lord> for all purposes? > Also, what is Dwi saptati?> > Respectfully,> Michal.> > Om Namo Narayanaya > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Michal, Supriti,>> Namaskar,>> >> > Hare Rama Krsna >> > >> > Dear Supriti and list members,>> > >> > Rahu is seventh lord in mulatrikona with UL, so>> > deviance can be expected from partner. The second>> > house from UL shows the sustenance, and I would>> guess>> > her partner might buy her nice things, perfumes,>> > flowers, to compensate. Perhaps she may have been>> > aware of selling herself short since this same>> > combination falls in the 12th from AL. She is>> running>> > Narayana dasa of Libra (giving results of Aries>> with>> > A7) which puts this Venus in the seventh from dasa>> > rasi, about to be transitted by Jupiter next year.>> >> >> Yes. We start Narayana Dasa from 7H so we take 7H>> from Dasa Rasi in Maha Dasa analysis BUT when 7L is>> in L or L is in 7H then this rule is out. So there>> is Aries as Saturn is in Lagna.>> >> >> >> In Vimshottari dasa, Mercury antar begins next year,>> as>> > lord of UL. Things could go as already planned.>> >> Venus in Dwi-saptati, so some expenditures on>> maintaince of marriage,>> as Michal Ji wrote.>> >> Hope this helps,>> with regards,>> Rafal Gendarz>> >> > If I've missed something, I hope to be corrected.>> > Respectfully,>> > Michal.>> > >> > Om Namo Narayanaya >> > >> > --- Supriti Majumdar <supriti15 > wrote:>> > >> >> Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members>> >> >> >> Thank you for looking into this.>> >> >> >> About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and>> >> beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa>> in>> >> it. >> >> >> >> Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3>> >> years (to be married next year) was cheating on>> her.>> >> When do you think she will get married?>> >> >> >> Sincerely,>> >> Supriti>> >> >> >> Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote:>> >> || Hare Rama Krsna ||>> >> >> >> Dear Rafal, Namaskar>> >> >> >> Thank you for the clarifications. Your point>> about>> >> the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation>> is>> >> not good for the houses it lords. >> >> >> >> I have just a couple of queries:>> >> >> >> 1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign>> occupied>> >> by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus)>> shows>> >> the lesson that must be learned from the curse. >> So>> >> maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be>> >> balanced and just towards others - specifically>> >> lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle>> >> correctly?>> >> >> >> 2. Guruji has also written in the past that the>> >> houses lorded by the afflicted planet can>> indicate>> >> the area the curse will manifest, as well as the>> >> houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the>> curse. >> >> So the question is, is there a way to determine>> >> whether the effects will be seen in the houses>> >> lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the>> >> afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?>> >> >> >> Thank you,>> >> >> >> Samir>> >> >> >> >> >> At 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote:>> >>>> >>>> ______________________>> >> >> >> Message: 10 >> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200>> >> "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>>> >> Re: Re: Curse of a spouse>> >> >> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Samir, Supriti>> >> >> >> Yes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second>> of>> >> the lover.>> >> Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are>> >> attacked by the curse/s.>> >> When they are two benefic's conjoins then we>> choose>> >> the higher benefic.>> >> >> >> Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.>> >> Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma />> >> travels.>> >> >> >> Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as>> >> obstacles are small, but>> >> of course it is not so good for lordship. It is>> like>> >> Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some>> planet>> >> then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way>> >> Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are>> mixed>> >> effects.>> >> This is however how I understood this problems.>> >> >> >> Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana,>> >> which can give bad health, person is also>> >> dominating.>> >> >> >> Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good>> health,>> >> but Lagna Lord is Sun>> >> so person will be concious about getting good>> >> medicine.>> >> >> >> >> >> The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30>> >> seconds before..so we must be careful. >> >> >> >> with regards,>> >> Rafal Gendarz>> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~>> >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>> Achyuta>> >> Ashram. >> >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra>> 'Hare>> >> Rama Krishna'>> >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>> >> Great who said that the human stomach should not>> >> become a graveyard for animals.>> >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one>> >> free chart reading today >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links>> >> >> >> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> >> />> >> >> >> To from this group, send an email>> to:>> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to the>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sports>> >> Rekindle the Rivalries. 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 || Hare Rama Krsna || Dear Rafal, Namaskar Thanks, I'll remember that. But does it apply in this case (Sameer's chart)? In this case, Jupiter is the 9th lord - and the 9th lord in Badhakasthana means that the native forgot to worship the deity in the previous life, and that the deity is angry. And Jupiter is debilitated in D-9. So will Jupiter still try to protect the native? Thank you, Samir ______________________ Message: 19 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:45 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> Re: Re: Curse of a spouse II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Samir, Namaskar, Some useful point : When Badhekesh is in bad Yoga, but in Badhak Sthan are good situation then this planet (in B.Sthan) will try get out the native from badhak (obstruction and troubles). with regards, Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Friends, i heard Pt Rath speak about curses in 2002 conference. He mentioned about Rahu - Shock, Mars - anger & Saturn - sorrow. He was specific about these three and Not Sun ( nor a Moon/ Mercury as malefics). What Visti said could be an exception. If Visti is reading this he may clarify, please. Also, when we say someone is cursed, there is a deep rooted problem, so one would also look at the involvement of AK in this. Cases like not begetting childen, not getting married despite serious efforts, severe financial problems etc., may manifest as a result of a curse. So, categorising everything as a curse could be misleading. Infact, in his lecture, Sanjay Ji talked about the involvement of Lord, Karaka & house' involvement for the manifestation of the curse. e.g., if house is not afflicted by any two of the above mentioned malefics, then the results may not be as severe. The natural benefics placement in Navamsa also indicates, whether remedies will work or not. Thanks & regards Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Michal, Namaskar, Yes. Rahu is lord of Aquarius, as well as Saturn, the stronger will dominate of course but in some time (especially when the dasa comes) other Lord will take a role. Here the condition is simple : 7L in L. This condition is applicable hence Dasa is recommended. Sometimes when we count Arudhas, we take two lords - count two arudhas - and then we choose stronger Arudha, so two lords will always act but stronger will dominate. We can't ignore the other lord. I dont have any reference, but this is how I was worked with Guruji. with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Michal Dziwulski Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:53 AM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse Hare Rama Krsna Dear Rafal, Namaskar, Where can I find reference to this rule? I have searched Sanjayji's Narayana Dasa book, but cannot find any such reference, do you have it of hand? Rahu is used to calculate the span of dasa, so I would have thought it to be also the lord for such an exception. I will also endeavour to do some work to see what works in practice. Appreciatively, Michal. Om Namo Narayanaya Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote: Dear Michal Ji, Namaskar, 1. Yes, Rahu seems stronger, but Saturn is still 7L. Stronger doesnt mean exclusive. 2. Dwi saptati is one of the Conditional Udu dasas. (Applicable when LL is in 7H or 7H in L) Reference : - Vimshottari and Udu Dasas *Page 35 *Page 217-228. - BHPS Chapter 48/37-39 with regards, Rafal Gendarz - "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal > <> Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:05 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar,> > This rule will apply if we take Saturn as lord of 7th,> but Rahu is aspected by Jupiter, so is it not 7th lord> for all purposes? > Also, what is Dwi saptati?> > Respectfully,> Michal.> > Om Namo Narayanaya > > --- Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl> wrote:> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Michal, Supriti,>> Namaskar,>> >> > Hare Rama Krsna >> > >> > Dear Supriti and list members,>> > >> > Rahu is seventh lord in mulatrikona with UL, so>> > deviance can be expected from partner. The second>> > house from UL shows the sustenance, and I would>> guess>> > her partner might buy her nice things, perfumes,>> > flowers, to compensate. Perhaps she may have been>> > aware of selling herself short since this same>> > combination falls in the 12th from AL. She is>> running>> > Narayana dasa of Libra (giving results of Aries>> with>> > A7) which puts this Venus in the seventh from dasa>> > rasi, about to be transitted by Jupiter next year.>> >> >> Yes. We start Narayana Dasa from 7H so we take 7H>> from Dasa Rasi in Maha Dasa analysis BUT when 7L is>> in L or L is in 7H then this rule is out. So there>> is Aries as Saturn is in Lagna.>> >> >> >> In Vimshottari dasa, Mercury antar begins next year,>> as>> > lord of UL. Things could go as already planned.>> >> Venus in Dwi-saptati, so some expenditures on>> maintaince of marriage,>> as Michal Ji wrote.>> >> Hope this helps,>> with regards,>> Rafal Gendarz>> >> > If I've missed something, I hope to be corrected.>> > Respectfully,>> > Michal.>> > >> > Om Namo Narayanaya >> > >> > --- Supriti Majumdar <supriti15 > wrote:>> > >> >> Dear Rafal, Samir and List Members>> >> >> >> Thank you for looking into this.>> >> >> >> About Navamsa Lagna: Native is extremely fair and>> >> beautiful. Can she be fair with Ta lagna and Sa>> in>> >> it. >> >> >> >> Also, recently she found out that her fiance of 3>> >> years (to be married next year) was cheating on>> her.>> >> When do you think she will get married?>> >> >> >> Sincerely,>> >> Supriti>> >> >> >> Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote:>> >> || Hare Rama Krsna ||>> >> >> >> Dear Rafal, Namaskar>> >> >> >> Thank you for the clarifications. Your point>> about>> >> the badhakesh makes sense - so Mars' debilitation>> is>> >> not good for the houses it lords. >> >> >> >> I have just a couple of queries:>> >> >> >> 1. I remember Guruji writing that the sign>> occupied>> >> by the afflicted planet (in this case Venus)>> shows>> >> the lesson that must be learned from the curse. >> So>> >> maybe for Libra, the person needs to learn to be>> >> balanced and just towards others - specifically>> >> lovers/spouse. Have I understood this principle>> >> correctly?>> >> >> >> 2. Guruji has also written in the past that the>> >> houses lorded by the afflicted planet can>> indicate>> >> the area the curse will manifest, as well as the>> >> houses lorded by the malefics inflicting the>> curse. >> >> So the question is, is there a way to determine>> >> whether the effects will be seen in the houses>> >> lorded by the afflicted planet itself, or by the>> >> afflicting malefics? Or will it be both?>> >> >> >> Thank you,>> >> >> >> Samir>> >> >> >> >> >> At 23:37 17/06/2005, you wrote:>> >>>> >>>> ______________________>> >> >> >> Message: 10 >> >> Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:04:06 +0200>> >> "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>>> >> Re: Re: Curse of a spouse>> >> >> >> II Hare Rama Krsna II>> >> Dear Samir, Supriti>> >> >> >> Yes. Here is two curses one of the mother, second>> of>> >> the lover.>> >> Lordships of Malefics will tell which areas are>> >> attacked by the curse/s.>> >> When they are two benefic's conjoins then we>> choose>> >> the higher benefic.>> >> >> >> Saturn/Rahu - problems in relationships/buisness.>> >> Mars - problem in home/education , Guru, dharma />> >> travels.>> >> >> >> Malefics when weak are good in dushtana's as>> >> obstacles are small, but>> >> of course it is not so good for lordship. It is>> like>> >> Badhakesh in 12 is good but when conjoin some>> planet>> >> then lordship of this planet is bad, the same way>> >> Badhakesh when exalted is better. So this are>> mixed>> >> effects.>> >> This is however how I understood this problems.>> >> >> >> Saturn in Lagna in D-1 gives problem with Prana,>> >> which can give bad health, person is also>> >> dominating.>> >> >> >> Argala of Rahu is also not helping in good>> health,>> >> but Lagna Lord is Sun>> >> so person will be concious about getting good>> >> medicine.>> >> >> >> >> >> The Saturn in Navamsa Lagna....Lagna changes 30>> >> seconds before..so we must be careful. >> >> >> >> with regards,>> >> Rafal Gendarz>> >> >> >> ~ om tat sat ~>> >> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the>> Achyuta>> >> Ashram. >> >> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra>> 'Hare>> >> Rama Krishna'>> >> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the>> >> Great who said that the human stomach should not>> >> become a graveyard for animals.>> >> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one>> >> free chart reading today >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Links>> >> >> >> To visit your group on the web, go to:>> >> />> >> >> >> To from this group, send an email>> to:>> >> >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to the>> >> Terms of Service. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sports>> >> Rekindle the Rivalries. 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Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Samir, Namaskar, If Jupiter is well placed it will try to help, but this help will collapse due to bad luck (if deb navamsa). with regards, Rafal Gendarz - Samir Shah Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:40 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Curse of a spouse || Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Rafal, NamaskarThanks, I'll remember that. But does it apply in this case (Sameer's chart)?In this case, Jupiter is the 9th lord - and the 9th lord in Badhakasthana means that the native forgot to worship the deity in the previous life, and that the deity is angry. And Jupiter is debilitated in D-9. So will Jupiter still try to protect the native?Thank you,Samir ______________________Message: 19 Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:45 +0200 "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme (AT) wp (DOT) pl>Re: Re: Curse of a spouseII Hare Rama Krsna IIDear Samir,Namaskar,Some useful point :When Badhekesh is in bad Yoga, but in Badhak Sthan are good situation then this planet (in B.Sthan) will try get out the native from badhak (obstruction and troubles). with regards,Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 II Hare Rama Krsna II Dear Surya ji, Thank You for Your comment, BTW in VRA is also list of planet and it is : Mars, Rahu, Saturn. So Guruji is inviting something new. with regards, Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Dear Rafal, Thanks for the clarification. I guess we will have to wait for Visti to come back and tell us more on this. Can you share with us on some of the key things to look for while judging the results of D-1 Narayan dasa ? For example, during past 5 years of Sc dasa I had considerable growth in my career,lost my mother, got married etc. At the same time presence of Rahu in 12th from Dasa rasi along with A7,A6 caused a lot of suffering and conflicts on account of love affairs. I will soon be under the Sg Narayan dasa so what are the key things I can expect from July onwards. Sg contains A10 and A8, so I can expect these arudhas to be prominent during this time. 8th from Dasa rasi has 4 malefics, lot of suffering ? Rahu in 11th from Dasa rasi, gains. Regards, Sameer , "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote: > II Hare Rama Krsna II > Dear Sameer, > > It seems that Visti took Sun in this situation. > Maybe because it is Marakesh. > > In past when I was speaking with Guruji He mentions : Ra, Ma, Sa. > > > with regards, > Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Dear Sameer, All this question can be answered reading "Narayana Dasa" by Sanjay Rath Ji. of Rahu in 12th from Dasa rasi along with A7,A6 caused a lot of suffering and conflicts on account of love affairs. [Rafal] - Rahu in 12 gives fear. Can give also spending money on bhogi's. When second from Dasa Rasi has also malefic You feel bounded (Bandhana Yoga). Sg contains A10 and A8, so I can expect these arudhas to be prominent during this time. [Rafal]There will be actions connected to these arudhas. 8th from Dasa rasi has 4 malefics, lot of suffering ? [Rafal] Lot of debts. 2H - Your money, 8H - Your debts. Benefics in 2/8 gives smooth situation financially. Rahu in 11th from Dasa rasi, gains. [Rafal] Rahu-like friends and supporters. Few important tips : 1. Never start judging Pratyantar before Antar, and Antar before Maha. 2. Always first look at Yoga from Lagna, then look when it will happen (Dasa) 3. Argala is very important in Narayana Dasa 4. Dont look at Bhoga when Paka is bad. 5. Look at Anubhava for focus of Dasa. 6. Know what Narayana Dasa can give You, and know what Narayana Dasa cannot give You. 7. If You want emotions - go for Udu dasas. with regards, Rafal Gendarz, "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> wrote:> II Hare Rama Krsna II> Dear Sameer,> > It seems that Visti took Sun in this situation.> Maybe because it is Marakesh.> > In past when I was speaking with Guruji He mentions : Ra, Ma, Sa.> > > with regards,> Rafal Gendarz~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: /<*> To from this group, send an email to: <*> Your use of is subject to: Attachment: (image/jpeg) Clear Day Bkgrd.JPG [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Dear Samir, How do we find out which Deity is angry ? Is it Shiva form(Jupiter) ? The same Ju is also in 2nd from AL which is considered good for sustenance. Regards, Sameer , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Hare Rama Krsna || > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > Thanks, I'll remember that. But does it apply in this case (Sameer's chart)? > > In this case, Jupiter is the 9th lord - and the 9th lord in Badhakasthana > means that the native forgot to worship the deity in the previous life, and > that the deity is angry. And Jupiter is debilitated in D-9. So will > Jupiter still try to protect the native? > > Thank you, > > Samir > > > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 19 > > Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:13:45 +0200 > > "Rafal Gendarz" <starsuponme@w...> > >Re: Re: Curse of a spouse > > > >II Hare Rama Krsna II > >Dear Samir, > >Namaskar, > > > >Some useful point : > >When Badhekesh is in bad Yoga, but in Badhak Sthan are good situation then > >this planet (in B.Sthan) will try get out the native from badhak > >(obstruction and troubles). > > > >with regards, > >Rafal Gendarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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