Guest guest Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Om Ganeshay Namah Shree Gurave Namah Dear Soumit, Namaste. I changed the subject line because this topic is in itself quite interesting. You have not only this similarity, but a lot of other similaities too, across borders and continents and religions. Language is only a small part. I pose just a few - 1. Manu had a boat during pralaya-MATSYAVATAR, as also did have NOAH. 2. Why all the popular GODs/GOD figures were shepherds? Shri Krishna, Hazrat Muhammad Saheb, Jesus Christ or be it Lord Tirupati? 3. The Snakes are shown as part of the crown not only in Egypt but also in Kashmir, India. I do not know if sumerians did also use such symbols. 4. In none of the myths across world, there exists any reference to such ghosts and spirits who did not become powerless during the day / SUN's presence and powerful during night. A lot of other things and stories of demigods also have similarity acoss the world. Would be inteesting to know more of these. Radhekishna! Himanshu Mohan , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> wrote: > Dear All, > Since this is besides the main theme of this discussion board I will keep it breif. To add my $0.02 into this discussion, it occured to me that the snake story has a parallel in Judeo-Christanity. Genesis in the Old Testament talks about the snake that lured Eve and Eve lured Adam into eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge, and made God angry. > > > I speculate that all civilized humanity at one point in time had the same origin and possibly shared the same proto language. We all know that the word "Ma" is cross cultural. Then there are many other basic words, other than the numbers (saptam, ashtam, dwa etc) that are universal. For instance take the next word "father" and that to is universal. > http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-ling/ie-lex/human/father.html > > Soumit > > > > > Himanshu Mohan <himanshu_mohan> wrote: > Om Ganeshay Namah > Dear Bharat and Sarbani ji, > Namaste. > Bharat is right. I have also read this allegory wherein Rahu and Ketu > have been ganted a body and a head to comply with their having taken > AMRITA and thereby becoming immune to death. The body of snake was > joined to Rahu, the head of the demon Samhikeya Viprachitta; while the > torso of the same demon, joined to the head of the snake remains alive. > > It is also insinuation of this allegroy that although demon by birth, > this Samhikeya desired to become a deva, partly by being beyond death > and also in appearance, in actions etc. The inference that the action > was only to get the nectar AMRITA is only partly true. The name > Viprachitta also indicates that the CHITTA was like that of a VIPRA. I > do not know how to translate beyond the barrier of language as ENGLISH > does not have a synonym for CHITTA. It is akin to a form of Mana, it > is not Mana, it is not Buddhi, and rather instinctual pat of Mana. > VIPRA is one who has special and wide knowledge, it represents VISHESH > + PRAKRISHTA. > > So, the head remembers the instant of death, the severing of head from > the body and theefore is (i) indulgent (ii) desirous (iii) always > having unfulfilled desires (iv) and full of feelings of revenge, ready > to retaliate in an agressive manner (v) The knowledge part of VI+PRA > out of VIPRACHITTA remains with RAHU, while the body caried the CHITTA > with it. So KETU, despite having a snakes head, although provided with > fangs also, may sting in the extreme cases, but there is no venom left > as the body and the glands for venom have been severed. It carries the > CHITTA, that instinctually desires to go to NARAYANA, sans any other > desires. > KETU has realised the peace ultimate, the peace of death, also > realised MAYA and returned to life after crossing the threshold, so > the tendency is always to weed-out all theads to MAYA, detachment from > everything, and detachment has become a habit for KETU. > > I think, yes think only because I have not been able to see any such > chart, that in the charts of the people who claim to have returned > from death, or after being medically dead for sometime, KETU must be > significantly involved. > > In yogis who prctised PARA-KAYA-PRAVESH etc. again, KETU as well RAHU > must be very vey significant, as RAHU is trying to grab, a body in > particular, while KETU facilitates leaving own. Returning to ones body > after such experiences, should be facilitated by RAHU while the > ability to leave shold be facilitated by KETU. Even in people who are > able to attain deep Samadhi, KETU's role should be examined. > > I further hold an opinion that the chart of Adi Shankara may be > available and may show such significations. > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > Radhekrishna! > Himanshu Mohan > > > , "bharateiya" <bharateiya> wrote: > > Namaskaar Sri Sarbani > > > > Rahu is the head of the demon and Ketu the rest of the body. However, > > it does have a head. The body is that of the snake and Ketu's head is > > that of the snake. It is not a headless torso. > > > > I am not sure of the reference right now but I have read this in one > > of the puranic stories. I will definitely try and check it up. And I > > apologize in advance if I am wrong. > > > > More importantly, Ketu does have a desire - it is desire of not > > wanting other desires. > > > > Ketu is also related to our instincts. The logic is as follows: > > Maya makes it evident through time (kala). The human mind is brought > > under its influence through concept of future and concept of past. > > Future is Rahu's nature. Past is Ketu. Together they grow upon our > > minds to not keep them in the present. In doing so, they keep the mind > > away from knowing its real nature. > > > > Instincts are conscious behavior of the past and therefore, cause > > automatic headless (ketu) behavior of ours. Ketu, therefore, works > > through instincts rather than properly thought out behavior. You can > > also say, our past conscious behavior is carried on by Ketu. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> > > wrote: > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > > > Dear Bharatji, > > > > > > As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the > > Bhagavat > > > Purana. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > [] On > > > Behalf Of bharateiya > > > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PM > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu is involvement ??? > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Sarbani > > > > > > Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head. Whereas, Rahu > > > has a snake body. > > > > > > Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has a desire of not > > > wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire. > > > > > > If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Bharat > > > > > > > > > , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds > > > > performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he > > does not > > > > have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not have > > > desires. For a > > > > curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least two > > > > malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past > > > karma. > > > > Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > > Behalf Of rajesh69_astro > > > > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM > > > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Om dakshinamoortiah namah > > > > > > > > While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu > > > > too. > > > > > > > > In previous messages it was written that only affliction by > > > > > > > > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered > > > > > > > > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu > > > > > > > > for seeing curses . > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will > show > > > > the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be > > > > aspecting it. > > > > > > > > Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice. > > > > > > > > Kindly guide > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > raj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > > that the > > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > > today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > * Terms of > > Service > > > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > > that the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > * Terms of Service > > > <> . > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > > > > > soumit guha > java_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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