curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

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Om dakshinamoortiah namah

 

While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu

too.

 

In previous messages it was written that only affliction by

 

Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered

 

ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu

 

for seeing curses .

 

 

Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will show

the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be

aspecting it.

 

Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.

 

Kindly guide

 

thanks

raj

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Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Raj,

 

Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds performed

because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he does not have a head, and

he doe snot have a head as he does not have desires. For a curse to manifest,

there has to be the graha dristi of at least two malefics, the involvement of

the AK and the 8th lord/house of past karma. Parasara in his chapter on curses

considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

[] On

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Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is

involvement ???

Om dakshinamoortiah namahWhile seeing the curses in chart do we see the

affliction by ketu too.In previous messages it was written that only affliction

by Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be consideredketu may

indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketufor seeing curses

..Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will show the curse

of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be aspecting it.Will it not

be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.Kindly guidethanks raj~

om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajesh,

 

For this reason perhaps Ketu is excluded, because Rahu's aspect is overbearing.

A curse can only come from conjunction or Graha drshti from two or more malefic

planets association or aspect on a benefic. Ketu being conjoined will mean

Rahu's aspect, and Ketu has no drshti. I have only heard of timing come from

the other planets you mentioned, Mars, Saturn, and Rahu.

 

Respectfully,

Michal.

 

Om Namo Narayanaya rajesh69_astro <rajesh69_astro > wrote:

Om dakshinamoortiah namahWhile seeing the curses in chart do we see the

affliction by ketu too.In previous messages it was written that only affliction

by Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be consideredketu may

indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketufor seeing curses

..Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will show the curse

of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be aspecting it.Will it not

be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.Kindly guidethanks raj~

om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human

stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in

thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

 

Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head. Whereas, Rahu

has a snake body.

 

Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has a desire of not

wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire.

 

If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Raj,

>

> Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds

> performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he does not

> have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not have

desires. For a

> curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least two

> malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past

karma.

> Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of rajesh69_astro

> Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

>

>

> Om dakshinamoortiah namah

>

> While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu

> too.

>

> In previous messages it was written that only affliction by

>

> Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered

>

> ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu

>

> for seeing curses .

>

>

> Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will show

> the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be

> aspecting it.

>

> Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.

>

> Kindly guide

>

> thanks

> raj

>

>

>

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

today

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Links

>

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curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

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10.0pt">Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake

head. Whereas, Rahu

has a snake body.

Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has

a desire of not

wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of

desire.

If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share

them.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

, "Sarbani

Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Raj,

>

> Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they

stem from wrong deeds

> performed because of desire. Ketu does not

have any drsti as he does not

> have a head, and he doe snot have a head as

he does not have

desires. For a

> curse to manifest, there has to be the graha

dristi of at least two

> malefics, the involvement of the AK and the

8th lord/house of past

karma.

> Parasara in his chapter on curses considers

Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of rajesh69_astro

> Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart

ketu is involvement ???

>

>

> Om

dakshinamoortiah namah

>

> While seeing the curses in chart do we see

the affliction by ketu

> too.

>

> In previous messages it was written that only

affliction by

>

> Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger)

should be considered

>

> ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we

consider affliction by ketu

>

> for seeing curses .

>

>

> Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than

automatically it will show

> the curse of Karka related to that planet as

Rahu will always be

> aspecting it.

>

> Will it not be that we are counting the

affliction by nodes twice.

>

> Kindly guide

>

> thanks

> raj

>

>

>

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard

for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do

one free chart reading

today

>

>

>

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Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

 

Dear Bharatji,

 

As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the Bhagavat Purana.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

 

[] On

Behalf Of bharateiyaTuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PMTo:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu

is involvement ???

Namaskaar Sri SarbaniKetu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head.

Whereas, Rahuhas a snake body. Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is

has a desire of notwanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire. If

anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them.Thanks and RegardsBharat---

In , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>wrote:> Shri

Brahmadaru Smarami> > Dear Raj,> > Curses are indicated by graha drishti as

they stem from wrong deeds> performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any

drsti as he does not> have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not

havedesires. For a> curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at

least two> malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of

pastkarma.> Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> > > _____ > >

[] On> Behalf Of

rajesh69_astro> Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM> To:

> [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu

is involvement ???> > > Om dakshinamoortiah namah> > While seeing the curses in

chart do we see the affliction by ketu > too.> > In previous messages it was

written that only affliction by > > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger)

should be considered> > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider

affliction by ketu> > for seeing curses .> > > Secondly If ketu conjoins any

planet than automatically it will show > the curse of Karka related to that

planet as Rahu will always be > aspecting it.> > Will it not be that we are

counting the affliction by nodes twice.> > Kindly guide> > thanks > raj> > > >

> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who saidthat the> human stomach

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said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3)

Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

 

Rahu is the head of the demon and Ketu the rest of the body. However,

it does have a head. The body is that of the snake and Ketu's head is

that of the snake. It is not a headless torso.

 

I am not sure of the reference right now but I have read this in one

of the puranic stories. I will definitely try and check it up. And I

apologize in advance if I am wrong.

 

More importantly, Ketu does have a desire - it is desire of not

wanting other desires.

 

Ketu is also related to our instincts. The logic is as follows:

Maya makes it evident through time (kala). The human mind is brought

under its influence through concept of future and concept of past.

Future is Rahu's nature. Past is Ketu. Together they grow upon our

minds to not keep them in the present. In doing so, they keep the mind

away from knowing its real nature.

 

Instincts are conscious behavior of the past and therefore, cause

automatic headless (ketu) behavior of ours. Ketu, therefore, works

through instincts rather than properly thought out behavior. You can

also say, our past conscious behavior is carried on by Ketu.

 

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

 

 

 

 

 

, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Bharatji,

>

> As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the

Bhagavat

> Purana.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of bharateiya

> Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PM

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

>

>

> Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

>

> Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head. Whereas, Rahu

> has a snake body.

>

> Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has a desire of not

> wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire.

>

> If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> >

> > Dear Raj,

> >

> > Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds

> > performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he

does not

> > have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not have

> desires. For a

> > curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least two

> > malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past

> karma.

> > Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of rajesh69_astro

> > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

> >

> >

> > Om dakshinamoortiah namah

> >

> > While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu

> > too.

> >

> > In previous messages it was written that only affliction by

> >

> > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered

> >

> > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu

> >

> > for seeing curses .

> >

> >

> > Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will show

> > the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be

> > aspecting it.

> >

> > Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.

> >

> > Kindly guide

> >

> > thanks

> > raj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

> that the

> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

> today

> >

> >

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that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

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Dear Bharat, Namaskar.

Please see what Maharishi Parasara has to say about Ketu in the 71st

shloka of the 46th adhyaaya in BPHS (use URW Palladio & Sanskrit 99

fonts to view):

yStmae¢hyaemRXye kbNx> kWyte buxE>,

tSy ketaeirdanI— te kweyaim dza)lm!. 71.

yastamograhayormadhye kabandhaù kathyate budhaiù |

tasya ketoridänéà te katheyämi daçäphalam || 71||

Here kabandha as per MW dictionary is: a headless trunk (shaped like a barrel ;

esp. one retaining vitality).

best regards

Hari

On 6/14/05, bharateiya <bharateiya (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

Rahu is the head of the demon and Ketu the rest of the body. However,

it does have a head. The body is that of the snake and Ketu's head is

that of the snake. It is not a headless torso.

I am not sure of the reference right now but I have read this in one

of the puranic stories. I will definitely try and check it up. And I

apologize in advance if I am wrong.

More importantly, Ketu does have a desire - it is desire of not

wanting other desires.

Ketu is also related to our instincts. The logic is as follows:

Maya makes it evident through time (kala). The human mind is brought

under its influence through concept of future and concept of past.

Future is Rahu's nature. Past is Ketu. Together they grow upon our

minds to not keep them in the present. In doing so, they keep the mind

away from knowing its real nature.

Instincts are conscious behavior of the past and therefore, cause

automatic headless (ketu) behavior of ours. Ketu, therefore, works

through instincts rather than properly thought out behavior. You can

also say, our past conscious behavior is carried on by Ketu.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Bharatji,

>

> As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the

Bhagavat

> Purana.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna

Dear Bharat,

Ketu is the body, as such he cant see and so doestn have a"glance" or

aspect.

Rahu is the head, has aspects and is full of desires.

To want to beacome liberated is itself a desire,

Ketu, headless, represents being liberated from all desires,

even the desire to be liberated.

Lakshmi

Yes, please read the story of Rahu and Ketu-

from Srimad Bhagavatam

"Demons are by nature crooked like snakes. Therefore, to distribute

a share of the nectar to them was not at all feasible, since this

would be as dangerous as supplying milk to a snake. Considering this,

the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who never falls down, did not

deliver a share of nectar to the demons.

 

SB 8.9.20: The Supreme Personality of Godhead as Mohinī-mūrti, the

master of the universe, arranged separate lines of sitting places and

seated the demigods and demons according to their positions.

 

SB 8.9.21: Taking the container of nectar in Her hands, She first

approached the demons, satisfied them with sweet words and thus

cheated them of their share of the nectar. Then She administered the

nectar to the demigods, who were sitting at a distant place, to make

them free from invalidity, old age and death.

 

SB 8.9.22: O King, since the demons had promised to accept whatever

the woman did, whether just or unjust, now, to keep this promise, to

show their equilibrium and to save themselves from fighting with a

woman, they remained silent.

 

SB 8.9.23: The demons had developed affection for Mohinī-mūrti and a

kind of faith in Her, and they were afraid of disturbing their

relationship. Therefore they showed respect and honor to Her words

and did not say anything that might disturb their friendship with Her.

 

SB 8.9.24: RÄhu, the demon who causes eclipses of the sun and moon,

covered himself with the dress of a demigod and thus entered the

assembly of the demigods and drank nectar without being detected by

anyone, even by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The moon and the

sun, however, because of permanent animosity toward RÄhu, understood

the situation. Thus RÄhu was detected.

 

SB 8.9.25: The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Hari, using His disc,

which was sharp like a razor, at once cut off RÄhu's head. When

RÄhu's head was severed from his body, the body, being untouched by

the nectar, could not survive.

 

SB 8.9.26: RÄhu's head, however, having been touched by the nectar,

became immortal. Thus Lord BrahmÄ accepted RÄhu's head as one of the

planets. Since RÄhu is an eternal enemy of the moon and the sun, he

always tries to attack them on the nights of the full moon and the

dark moon.

 

SB 8.9.27: The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the best friend and

well-wisher of the three worlds. Thus when the demigods had almost

finished drinking the nectar, the Lord, in the presence of all the

demons, disclosed His original form.

 

SB 8.9.28: The place, the time, the cause, the purpose, the activity

and the ambition were all the same for both the demigods and the

demons, but the demigods achieved one result and the demons another.

Because the demigods are always under the shelter of the dust of the

Lord's lotus feet, they could very easily drink the nectar and get

its result. The demons, however, not having sought shelter at the

lotus feet of the Lord, were unable to achieve the result they

desired.

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: ÅšrÄ«mad BhÄgavatam 8.9.24

 

deva-lińga-praticchannaḥ

 

svarbhÄnur deva-samÌsadi

 

praviṣṭaḥ somam apibac

 

candrÄrkÄbhyÄmÌ ca sÅ«citahÌ£

 

SYNONYMS

 

deva-liÅ„ga-praticchannahÌ£ â€" covering himself with the dress of a

demigod; svarbhÄnuhÌ£ â€" RÄhu (who attacks and eclipses the sun and

moon); deva-samÌsadi â€" in the group of the demigods; pravisÌ£tÌ£ahÌ£ â€"

having entered; somam â€" the nectar; apibat â€" drank; candra-arkÄbhyÄm â€"

by both the moon and the sun; ca â€" and; sÅ«citahÌ£ â€" was pointed out.

 

TRANSLATION

 

RÄhu, the demon who causes eclipses of the sun and moon, covered

himself with the dress of a demigod and thus entered the assembly of

the demigods and drank nectar without being detected by anyone, even

by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The moon and the sun, however,

because of permanent animosity toward RÄhu, understood the situation.

Thus RÄhu was detected.

 

PURPORT

 

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Mohinī-mūrti, was able to

bewilder all the demons, but RÄhu was so clever that he was not

bewildered. RÄhu could understand that MohinÄ«-mÅ«rti was cheating the

demons, and therefore he changed his dress, disguised himself as a

demigod, and sat down in the assembly of the demigods. Here one may

ask why the Supreme Personality of Godhead could not detect RÄhu. The

reason is that the Lord wanted to show the effects of drinking

nectar. This will be revealed in the following verses. The moon and

sun, however, were always alert in regard to RÄhu. Thus when RÄhu

entered the assembly of the demigods, the moon and sun immediately

detected him, and then the Supreme Personality of Godhead also became

aware of him.

 

http://vedabase.net/sb/8/9/24/en

 

 

 

-- In , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

wrote:

> Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

>

> Dear Bharatji,

>

> As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the

Bhagavat

> Purana.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Sarbani

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[] On

> Behalf Of bharateiya

> Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PM

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu is

involvement ???

>

>

> Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

>

> Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head. Whereas, Rahu

> has a snake body.

>

> Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has a desire of not

> wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire.

>

> If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

> , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> >

> > Dear Raj,

> >

> > Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong

deeds

> > performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he

does not

> > have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not have

> desires. For a

> > curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least

two

> > malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past

> karma.

> > Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and

Mars.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of rajesh69_astro

> > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

> >

> >

> > Om dakshinamoortiah namah

> >

> > While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu

> > too.

> >

> > In previous messages it was written that only affliction by

> >

> > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered

> >

> > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu

> >

> > for seeing curses .

> >

> >

> > Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will

show

> > the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be

> > aspecting it.

> >

> > Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.

> >

> > Kindly guide

> >

> > thanks

> > raj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

> that the

> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading

> today

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that the

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Om Ganeshay Namah

Dear Bharat and Sarbani ji,

Namaste.

Bharat is right. I have also read this allegory wherein Rahu and Ketu

have been ganted a body and a head to comply with their having taken

AMRITA and thereby becoming immune to death. The body of snake was

joined to Rahu, the head of the demon Samhikeya Viprachitta; while the

torso of the same demon, joined to the head of the snake remains alive.

 

It is also insinuation of this allegroy that although demon by birth,

this Samhikeya desired to become a deva, partly by being beyond death

and also in appearance, in actions etc. The inference that the action

was only to get the nectar AMRITA is only partly true. The name

Viprachitta also indicates that the CHITTA was like that of a VIPRA. I

do not know how to translate beyond the barrier of language as ENGLISH

does not have a synonym for CHITTA. It is akin to a form of Mana, it

is not Mana, it is not Buddhi, and rather instinctual pat of Mana.

VIPRA is one who has special and wide knowledge, it represents VISHESH

+ PRAKRISHTA.

 

So, the head remembers the instant of death, the severing of head from

the body and theefore is (i) indulgent (ii) desirous (iii) always

having unfulfilled desires (iv) and full of feelings of revenge, ready

to retaliate in an agressive manner (v) The knowledge part of VI+PRA

out of VIPRACHITTA remains with RAHU, while the body caried the CHITTA

with it. So KETU, despite having a snakes head, although provided with

fangs also, may sting in the extreme cases, but there is no venom left

as the body and the glands for venom have been severed. It carries the

CHITTA, that instinctually desires to go to NARAYANA, sans any other

desires.

KETU has realised the peace ultimate, the peace of death, also

realised MAYA and returned to life after crossing the threshold, so

the tendency is always to weed-out all theads to MAYA, detachment from

everything, and detachment has become a habit for KETU.

 

I think, yes think only because I have not been able to see any such

chart, that in the charts of the people who claim to have returned

from death, or after being medically dead for sometime, KETU must be

significantly involved.

 

In yogis who prctised PARA-KAYA-PRAVESH etc. again, KETU as well RAHU

must be very vey significant, as RAHU is trying to grab, a body in

particular, while KETU facilitates leaving own. Returning to ones body

after such experiences, should be facilitated by RAHU while the

ability to leave shold be facilitated by KETU. Even in people who are

able to attain deep Samadhi, KETU's role should be examined.

 

I further hold an opinion that the chart of Adi Shankara may be

available and may show such significations.

Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.

Radhekrishna!

Himanshu Mohan

 

 

, "bharateiya" <bharateiya> wrote:

> Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

>

> Rahu is the head of the demon and Ketu the rest of the body. However,

> it does have a head. The body is that of the snake and Ketu's head is

> that of the snake. It is not a headless torso.

>

> I am not sure of the reference right now but I have read this in one

> of the puranic stories. I will definitely try and check it up. And I

> apologize in advance if I am wrong.

>

> More importantly, Ketu does have a desire - it is desire of not

> wanting other desires.

>

> Ketu is also related to our instincts. The logic is as follows:

> Maya makes it evident through time (kala). The human mind is brought

> under its influence through concept of future and concept of past.

> Future is Rahu's nature. Past is Ketu. Together they grow upon our

> minds to not keep them in the present. In doing so, they keep the mind

> away from knowing its real nature.

>

> Instincts are conscious behavior of the past and therefore, cause

> automatic headless (ketu) behavior of ours. Ketu, therefore, works

> through instincts rather than properly thought out behavior. You can

> also say, our past conscious behavior is carried on by Ketu.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> >

> > Dear Bharatji,

> >

> > As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the

> Bhagavat

> > Purana.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of bharateiya

> > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PM

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

> >

> >

> > Namaskaar Sri Sarbani

> >

> > Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake head. Whereas, Rahu

> > has a snake body.

> >

> > Secondly, in my view Ketu has a desire. It is has a desire of not

> > wanting a desire. It is a desire for rejection of desire.

> >

> > If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share them.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Bharat

> >

> >

> > , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami

> > >

> > > Dear Raj,

> > >

> > > Curses are indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds

> > > performed because of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he

> does not

> > > have a head, and he doe snot have a head as he does not have

> > desires. For a

> > > curse to manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least two

> > > malefics, the involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past

> > karma.

> > > Parasara in his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of rajesh69_astro

> > > Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ???

> > >

> > >

> > > Om dakshinamoortiah namah

> > >

> > > While seeing the curses in chart do we see the affliction by ketu

> > > too.

> > >

> > > In previous messages it was written that only affliction by

> > >

> > > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars (anger) should be considered

> > >

> > > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we consider affliction by ketu

> > >

> > > for seeing curses .

> > >

> > >

> > > Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it will

show

> > > the curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be

> > > aspecting it.

> > >

> > > Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes twice.

> > >

> > > Kindly guide

> > >

> > > thanks

> > > raj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

> > that the

> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

> > today

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

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> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

> that the

> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading

> today

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Since this is besides the main theme of this discussion board I will

keep it breif. To add my $0.02 into this discussion, it occured to me that the

snake story has a parallel in Judeo-Christanity. Genesis in the Old Testament

talks about the snake that lured Eve and Eve lured Adam into eating the fruit

from the tree of knowledge, and made God angry.

I speculate that all civilized humanity at one point in time had the

same origin and possibly shared the same proto language. We all know that the

word "Ma" is cross cultural. Then there are many other basic words, other than

the numbers (saptam, ashtam, dwa etc) that are universal. For instance take

the next word "father" and that to is universal.

http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/iedocctr/ie-ling/ie-lex/human/father.html

 

Soumit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Himanshu Mohan <himanshu_mohan > wrote:

Om Ganeshay NamahDear Bharat and Sarbani ji,Namaste.Bharat is right. I have also

read this allegory wherein Rahu and Ketuhave been ganted a body and a head to

comply with their having takenAMRITA and thereby becoming immune to death. The

body of snake wasjoined to Rahu, the head of the demon Samhikeya Viprachitta;

while thetorso of the same demon, joined to the head of the snake remains

alive.It is also insinuation of this allegroy that although demon by birth,this

Samhikeya desired to become a deva, partly by being beyond deathand also in

appearance, in actions etc. The inference that the actionwas only to get the

nectar AMRITA is only partly true. The nameViprachitta also indicates that the

CHITTA was like that of a VIPRA. Ido not know how to translate beyond the

barrier of language as ENGLISHdoes not have a synonym for

CHITTA. It is akin to a form of Mana, itis not Mana, it is not Buddhi, and

rather instinctual pat of Mana.VIPRA is one who has special and wide knowledge,

it represents VISHESH+ PRAKRISHTA.So, the head remembers the instant of death,

the severing of head fromthe body and theefore is (i) indulgent (ii) desirous

(iii) alwayshaving unfulfilled desires (iv) and full of feelings of revenge,

readyto retaliate in an agressive manner (v) The knowledge part of VI+PRAout of

VIPRACHITTA remains with RAHU, while the body caried the CHITTAwith it. So KETU,

despite having a snakes head, although provided withfangs also, may sting in the

extreme cases, but there is no venom leftas the body and the glands for venom

have been severed. It carries theCHITTA, that instinctually desires to go to

NARAYANA, sans any otherdesires.KETU has realised the peace ultimate, the peace

of death, alsorealised MAYA and returned to life after crossing the

threshold, sothe tendency is always to weed-out all theads to MAYA, detachment

fromeverything, and detachment has become a habit for KETU.I think, yes think

only because I have not been able to see any suchchart, that in the charts of

the people who claim to have returnedfrom death, or after being medically dead

for sometime, KETU must besignificantly involved.In yogis who prctised

PARA-KAYA-PRAVESH etc. again, KETU as well RAHUmust be very vey significant, as

RAHU is trying to grab, a body inparticular, while KETU facilitates leaving own.

Returning to ones bodyafter such experiences, should be facilitated by RAHU

while theability to leave shold be facilitated by KETU. Even in people who

areable to attain deep Samadhi, KETU's role should be examined.I further hold

an opinion that the chart of Adi Shankara may beavailable and may show such

significations.Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.Radhekrishna!Himanshu

Mohan, "bharateiya" <bharateiya> wrote:>

Namaskaar Sri Sarbani> > Rahu is the head of the demon and Ketu the rest of the

body. However,> it does have a head. The body is that of the snake and Ketu's

head is> that of the snake. It is not a headless torso. > > I am not sure of

the reference right now but I have read this in one> of the puranic stories. I

will definitely try and check it up. And I> apologize in advance if I am wrong.

> > More importantly, Ketu does have a desire - it is desire of not> wanting

other desires. > > Ketu is also related to our instincts. The logic is as

follows:> Maya makes it evident through time (kala). The human mind is brought>

under its influence through concept of future and concept of past.> Future is

Rahu's nature. Past is Ketu. Together they grow upon our> minds to

not keep them in the present. In doing so, they keep the mind> away from knowing

its real nature.> > Instincts are conscious behavior of the past and therefore,

cause> automatic headless (ketu) behavior of ours. Ketu, therefore, works>

through instincts rather than properly thought out behavior. You can> also say,

our past conscious behavior is carried on by Ketu.> > Thanks and Regards>

Bharat> > > > > > , "Sarbani Sarkar"

<sarbani@s...>> wrote:> > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > > > Dear Bharatji,> > >

> As far as I know, Rahu is the head and Ketu is the tail. Check the> Bhagavat>

> Purana. > > > > Best Regards,> > > > Sarbani> > > > > > > > >

> _____ > > > > >

[] On> > Behalf Of bharateiya> > Sent:

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:33 PM> > > > Subject:

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: curses in chart ketu is involvement ???> > > > > >

Namaskaar Sri Sarbani> > > > Ketu has a head, it was given one. It is a snake

head. Whereas, Rahu> > has a snake body. > > > > Secondly, in my view Ketu has

a desire. It is has a desire of not> > wanting a desire. It is a desire for

rejection of desire. > > > > If anyone has more thoughts on this, please share

them.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > Bharat> > > > > > --- In

, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...>> >

wrote:> > > Shri Brahmadaru Smarami> > > > > > Dear Raj,> > > > > > Curses are

indicated by graha drishti as they stem from wrong deeds> > > performed because

of desire. Ketu does not have any drsti as he> does not> > > have a head, and

he doe snot have a head as he does not have> > desires. For a> > > curse to

manifest, there has to be the graha dristi of at least two> > > malefics, the

involvement of the AK and the 8th lord/house of past> > karma.> > > Parasara in

his chapter on curses considers Rahu, Saturn and Mars. > > > > > > Best

regards,> > > > > > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > >

> >

[] On> > > Behalf Of rajesh69_astro> > >

Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:12 AM> > > > >

> [Om Krishna Guru] curses in chart ketu is involvement ???> > > > > >

> > > Om dakshinamoortiah namah> > > > > > While seeing the curses in chart do

we see the affliction by ketu > > > too.> > > > > > In previous messages it was

written that only affliction by > > > > > > Rahu(shock), Saturn (sorrow), Mars

(anger) should be considered> > > > > > ketu may indicate mistakes. Should we

consider affliction by ketu> > > > > > for seeing curses .> > > > > > > > >

Secondly If ketu conjoins any planet than automatically it willshow > > > the

curse of Karka related to that planet as Rahu will always be > > > aspecting

it.> > > > > > Will it not be that we are counting the affliction by nodes

twice.> > > > > > Kindly guide> > > > > > thanks > > > raj> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'>

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said> > that

the> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > > (3)

Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading> > today > > >

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Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today soumit

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