Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

June 9, 2005

||| Om Krishna Guru |||

Dearest Sanjay Ji,

Since I have been around the lists a while, I had picked that username. Since we

moved to the name of SJC, I did not take the time and effort to consider a

change. However, I have done so now and perhaps there is something more soothing

with this…

Coming back to the Stars, I will try to explain further from what I have learnt.

Please correct me where needed.

We should consider that Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu and Aquarius by Rahu.

In the calculation of Arudhas, the lord of the said house is considered. Hence

when we are calculating the Arudha of a House in either of these signs, 2

Arudhas are possible. We cannot dismiss the karmic nodes.

This could be for any of the Arudhas – the Arudha Lagna (AL) itself, the A2, the

A3, etc.

Interpretation:

[i do not know how elaborate we want to get here, but here is a small attempt –

using your chart, again, as an example…]

The Upa Pada can either be in Saggitarius (10th House) or in Libra (8th House)

in the Rashi.

You will be the bet to verify whether the your spouse was someone you got

involved with when working (Karma Bhaava) or one you may have felt indebted to

or were likely influenced by the institute of arranged marriage.

Here, it seems that Saturn is stronger for calculating the UL.

[i do know you met at work, but am still giving reasoning so others can follow

the logic, if sound.]

The AL with this UL, for example also reveals a struggle. I imagine this as the

Sun (natural significator for 1st House, exalted in Aries) and Venus (natural

significator for 12th, exalted) sitting together. One will rise more than the

other…

Irrespective of the choice one picks, it is possible that the other UL is also

activated at a certain time.

Could it mean, for example, that a person still married, meet someone who may

have a significant impact in having a partnership with the native? This may or

may not come to light (shadows – the Nodes; conjunctions have to be examined as

well) not may it materialize into marriage.

One examines the 2nd from a said house for the matters of sustenance. After

this, one could examine the 7th therefrom to see what the person wants next, in

terms of relationships – hence the 8th from a said UL is examined.

Timing:

One can use Vimshottari amongst other Dashas, I’m sure.

Transits can also reveal what is happening to the arudha.

I’m sure there is more we could discuss, but this was a small attempt.

With your blessings and under the guidance of Visti,

Best wishes and warm regards,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

--

"Sanjay Rath" <guruji

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:38:35 +0530

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Nitin

why do you use sjvc and one more thing...explain in detail, don't eat away

the words. explain why you say both should be used and you are right. you

know that.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

* * *

_____

Nitin

Friday, June 10, 2005 5:05 AM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Arudha Pada Calculation in JH72

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

Dear Pierre and List Members, Namaskaar.

Allow me to share my understanding...

In case of GuruDev's chart, one could also consider :

Saturn (male) in an even sign (feminine)

....as compared to...

Rahu (a shadow, adapting to the environment) in Gemini (masculine sign)

On another note, despite the strengths, one should consider the effects of

both.

Best wishes,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

______________

Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com

June 10, 2005

Dear Nitin, Namaste

There are basically two schools of thought regarding the computation of arudhas

for signs having two co-lords:

(1) Find the stronger of the two co-lords and compute the arudha with respect to

the stronger co-lord.

(2) Find the two possible arudhas corresponding to the two co-lords and

determine which arudha has the stronger influence.

Following personal discussions with Sarajit and Sanjay, I have tended

to consider the second school of thought more prominently.

Taking Sanjays chart as an example, we find that the two possible UL

can be Libra and Sagittarius. Libra is unoccupied while Sagittarius has

exalted Ketu thus making it the stronger of the two possible UL. As you

pointed out, Sg UL falls in the karmabhava thus making it likely that

Sanjay would meet his spouse at the workplace or due to some mechanism

related to career.

Sarajit has Sg lagna and the two possible UL for Sc fall in Aq and Le

respectively. When Jupiter transited the 2nd from one UL (Leo)

and also aspected the 2nd from the other UL (Aquarius), he got married.

Hope this helps. I will wait to see Sanjays reply as to how the Li UL exerts its influence on him.

regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, sjc <sjc (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

||| Om Krishna Guru |||

Dearest Sanjay Ji,

Since I have been around the lists a while, I had picked that username.

Since we moved to the name of SJC, I did not take the time and effort

to consider a change. However, I have done so now and perhaps there is

something more soothing with this…

Coming back to the Stars, I will try to explain further from what I have learnt.

Please correct me where needed.

We should consider that Scorpio is co-lorded by Ketu and Aquarius by Rahu.

In the calculation of Arudhas, the lord of the said house is

considered. Hence when we are calculating the Arudha of a House in

either of these signs, 2 Arudhas are possible. We cannot dismiss the

karmic nodes.

This could be for any of the Arudhas – the Arudha Lagna (AL) itself, the A2, the A3, etc.

Interpretation:

[i do not know how elaborate we want to get here, but here is a small attempt –

using your chart, again, as an example…]

The Upa Pada can either be in Saggitarius (10th House) or in Libra (8th House) in the Rashi.

You will be the bet to verify whether the your spouse was someone you

got involved with when working (Karma Bhaava) or one you may have felt

indebted to or were likely influenced by the institute of arranged

marriage.

Here, it seems that Saturn is stronger for calculating the UL.

[i do know you met at work, but am still giving reasoning so others can follow the logic, if sound.]

The AL with this UL, for example also reveals a struggle. I

imagine this as the Sun (natural significator for 1st House, exalted in

Aries) and Venus (natural significator for 12th, exalted) sitting

together. One will rise more than the other…

Irrespective of the choice one picks, it is possible that the other UL is also

activated at a certain time.

Could it mean, for example, that a person still married, meet someone

who may have a significant impact in having a partnership with the

native? This may or may not come to light (shadows – the Nodes;

conjunctions have to be examined as well) not may it materialize into

marriage.

One examines the 2nd from a said house for the matters of sustenance.

After this, one could examine the 7th therefrom to see what the person

wants next, in terms of relationships – hence the 8th from a said UL is

examined.

Timing:

One can use Vimshottari amongst other Dashas, I'm sure.

Transits can also reveal what is happening to the arudha.

I'm sure there is more we could discuss, but this was a small attempt.

With your blessings and under the guidance of Visti,

Best wishes and warm regards,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

--

"Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:38:35 +0530

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Nitin

why do you use sjvc and one more thing...explain in detail, don't eat away

the words. explain why you say both should be used and you are right. you

know that.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com <

http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162

* * *

_____

Nitin

Friday, June 10, 2005 5:05 AM

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Arudha Pada Calculation in JH72

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

Dear Pierre and List Members, Namaskaar.

Allow me to share my understanding...

In case of GuruDev's chart, one could also consider :

Saturn (male) in an even sign (feminine)

....as compared to...

Rahu (a shadow, adapting to the environment) in Gemini (masculine sign)

On another note, despite the strengths, one should consider the effects of

both.

Best wishes,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

June 10, 2005

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Hari, Namaskar

I also

follow the second school of thought, but consider this;

a) Yes

Sanjay met his spouse during his job-training, hence tenth house.

b) His

spouse is libra lagna, which fits with his upapada in Libra.

Sanjay uses

both arudhas, one for each their purpose.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> &

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya

10 June 2005 14:43

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

12.0pt">

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Nitin, Namaste

There are basically two schools of thought regarding the computation of arudhas

for signs having two co-lords:

(1) Find the stronger of the two co-lords and compute the arudha with respect

to the stronger co-lord.

(2) Find the two possible arudhas corresponding to the two co-lords and

determine which arudha has the stronger influence.

Following personal discussions with Sarajit and Sanjay, I have tended to

consider the second school of thought more prominently.

Taking Sanjays chart as an example, we find that the two possible UL can be

Libra and Sagittarius. Libra is unoccupied while Sagittarius has exalted Ketu thus

making it the stronger of the two possible UL. As you pointed out, Sg UL falls

in the karmabhava thus making it likely that Sanjay would meet his spouse at

the workplace or due to some mechanism related to career.

Sarajit has Sg lagna and the two possible UL for Sc fall in Aq and Le

respectively. When Jupiter transited the 2nd from one UL (Leo) and also

aspected the 2nd from the other UL (Aquarius), he got married.

Hope this helps. I will wait to see Sanjays reply as to how the Li UL exerts

its influence on him.

regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, sjc

<sjc (AT) justnitin (DOT) com> wrote:

||| Om Krishna

Guru |||

Dearest Sanjay Ji,

Since I have been around the lists a while, I had

picked that username. Since we moved to the name of SJC, I did not take the

time and effort to consider a change. However, I have done so now and perhaps

there is something more soothing with this…

Coming back to the Stars, I will try to explain

further from what I have learnt. Please correct me where needed.

We should consider that Scorpio is co-lorded by

Ketu and Aquarius by Rahu.

In the calculation of Arudhas, the lord of the

said house is considered. Hence when we are calculating the Arudha of a House

in either of these signs, 2 Arudhas are possible. We cannot dismiss the karmic

nodes.

This could be for any of the Arudhas – the Arudha

Lagna (AL) itself, the A2, the A3, etc.

Interpretation:

[i do not know how elaborate we want to get here,

but here is a small attempt – using your chart, again, as an example…]

The Upa Pada can either be in Saggitarius (10th

House) or in Libra (8th House) in the Rashi.

You will be the bet to verify whether the your

spouse was someone you got involved with when working (Karma Bhaava) or one you

may have felt indebted to or were likely influenced by the institute of

arranged marriage.

Here, it seems that Saturn is stronger for

calculating the UL.

[i do know you met at work, but am still giving

reasoning so others can follow the logic, if sound.]

The AL

with this UL, for example also reveals a struggle. I imagine this as the

Sun (natural significator for 1st House, exalted in Aries) and Venus (natural

significator for 12th, exalted) sitting together. One will rise more than

the other…

Irrespective of the choice one picks, it is

possible that the other UL is also activated at a certain time.

Could it mean, for example, that a person still

married, meet someone who may have a significant impact in having a partnership

with the native? This may or may not come to light (shadows – the Nodes;

conjunctions have to be examined as well) not may it materialize into marriage.

One examines the 2nd from a said house for the

matters of sustenance. After this, one could examine the 7th therefrom to see

what the person wants next, in terms of relationships – hence the 8th from a

said UL is examined.

Timing:

One can use Vimshottari amongst other Dashas, I'm

sure.

Transits can also reveal what is happening to the

arudha.

I'm sure there is more we could discuss, but this

was a small attempt.

With your blessings and under the guidance of

Visti,

Best wishes and warm regards,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

---------- Original Message

-

"Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com>

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:38:35 +0530

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Nitin

why do you use sjvc and one more thing...explain

in detail, don't eat away

the words. explain why you say both should be used

and you are right. you

know that.

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

* * *

Sri Jagannath CenterR

15B Gangaram

Hospital Road

New Delhi 110060, India

http://srath.com

< http://srath.com/> ,

+91-11-25717162

* * *

_____

Nitin

Friday, June 10, 2005 5:05 AM

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Arudha Pada Calculation in JH72

||| Hare Rama Krishna

|||

Dear Pierre and List Members, Namaskaar.

Allow me to share my understanding...

In case of GuruDev's chart, one could also

consider :

Saturn (male) in an even sign (feminine)

<The strength of Purush and Prakriti coming

together>

....as compared to...

Rahu (a shadow, adapting to the environment) in

Gemini (masculine sign)

On another note, despite the strengths, one should

consider the effects of

both.

Best wishes,

Nitin.

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

June 10, 2005

Dear Visti, namaste

Excellent point! Now consider this: for UL matching, we usually take

the trines to UL (OR) the 7th from UL if it is stronger. In Sanjays

case, which one is stronger? Both Sg and Ge have exalted planets in it,

Ju aspects both and so the differentiating factor becomes Me. Me

aspects neither of the two but is the lord of the 7th from UL. Thus the

trine to Ge is Li. What do you say?

Secondly, another factor to differentiate the influences of both UL can

possibly be seen from navamsa, where Ve is in navamsa lagna and hence

the native would 'prefer' some one with Li lagna? Notice how neatly the

amsa parivartana switches the role of Ve with Ma, which added to Ke

forms the two co-lords of the 2nd from Li UL (in rasi chart)

influencing the navamsa lagna! And factor in Ra's aspect on the same.

best regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Hari, Namaskar

I also

follow the second school of thought, but consider this;

a) Yes

Sanjay met his spouse during his job-training, hence tenth house.

b) His

spouse is libra lagna, which fits with his upapada in Libra.

Sanjay uses

both arudhas, one for each their purpose.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web:

http://srigaruda.com

&

http://astrovisti.com

***

[

] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya

10 June 2005 14:43

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Nitin, Namaste

There are basically two schools of thought regarding the computation of arudhas

for signs having two co-lords:

(1) Find the stronger of the two co-lords and compute the arudha with respect

to the stronger co-lord.

(2) Find the two possible arudhas corresponding to the two co-lords and

determine which arudha has the stronger influence.

Following personal discussions with Sarajit and Sanjay, I have tended to

consider the second school of thought more prominently.

Taking Sanjays chart as an example, we find that the two possible UL can be

Libra and Sagittarius. Libra is unoccupied while Sagittarius has exalted Ketu thus

making it the stronger of the two possible UL. As you pointed out, Sg UL falls

in the karmabhava thus making it likely that Sanjay would meet his spouse at

the workplace or due to some mechanism related to career.

Sarajit has Sg lagna and the two possible UL for Sc fall in Aq and Le

respectively. When Jupiter transited the 2nd from one UL (Leo) and also

aspected the 2nd from the other UL (Aquarius), he got married.

Hope this helps. I will wait to see Sanjays reply as to how the Li UL exerts

its influence on him.

regards

Hari

June 10, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Hari,

Namaskar

Comments

below.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> &

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

[] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya

10 June 2005 15:44

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

12.0pt">

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Visti, namaste

Excellent point! Now consider this: for UL matching, we usually take the trines

to UL (OR) the 7th from UL if it is stronger. In Sanjays case, which one is

stronger? Both Sg and Ge have exalted planets in it, Ju aspects both and so the

differentiating factor becomes Me. Me aspects neither of the two but is the

lord of the 7th from UL. Thus the trine to Ge is Li. What do you say?

color:navy">[Visti] Naah, you are making your own rules now.

Secondly, another factor to

differentiate the influences of both UL can possibly be seen from navamsa,

where Ve is in navamsa lagna and hence the native would 'prefer' some one with

Li lagna? Notice how neatly the amsa parivartana switches the role of Ve with

Ma, which added to Ke forms the two co-lords of the 2nd from Li UL (in rasi chart)

influencing the navamsa lagna! And factor in Ra's aspect on the same.

color:navy">[Visti] I have no idea what you just wrote. The amsa parivartana is

no doubt important, thats why Venus antara was so bad and he left home and had

all sorts of problems with students, whilst in Mars antara he got a child a

promotion and even became more well known because of his predictions.

best regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, Visti Larsen

wrote:

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Hari,

Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">I also follow the second

school of thought, but consider this;

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">a) Yes Sanjay met his spouse

during his job-training, hence tenth house.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">b) His spouse is libra

lagna, which fits with his upapada in Libra.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">Sanjay uses both arudhas,

one for each their purpose.

12.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style";color:navy">Best wishes,

font-family:bookman;color:#FF0080">***

font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> &

navy">http://astrovisti.com

font-family:bookman;color:#FF0080">***

font-weight:bold">

[

] On Behalf

Of Jyotisa Shisya

10 June 2005 14:43

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Nitin, Namaste

There are basically two schools of thought regarding the computation of arudhas

for signs having two co-lords:

(1) Find the stronger of the two co-lords and compute the arudha with respect

to the stronger co-lord.

(2) Find the two possible arudhas corresponding to the two co-lords and

determine which arudha has the stronger influence.

Following personal discussions with Sarajit and Sanjay, I have tended to

consider the second school of thought more prominently.

Taking Sanjays chart as an example, we find that the two possible UL can be

Libra and Sagittarius. Libra is unoccupied while Sagittarius has exalted Ketu

thus making it the stronger of the two possible UL. As you pointed out, Sg UL

falls in the karmabhava thus making it likely that Sanjay would meet his spouse

at the workplace or due to some mechanism related to career.

Sarajit has Sg lagna and the two possible UL for Sc fall in Aq and Le

respectively. When Jupiter transited the 2nd from one UL (Leo) and also

aspected the 2nd from the other UL (Aquarius), he got married.

Hope this helps. I will wait to see Sanjays reply as to how the Li UL exerts

its influence on him.

regards

Hari

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

June 11, 2005

Dear Visti, Namaste

Which one is my own rule: the UL or the source of strength? As for the

navamsa observation, let us see what Sanjay has to comment regarding

this.

regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Hari,

Namaskar

Comments

below.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web:

http://srigaruda.com

&

http://astrovisti.com

***

[

] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya

10 June 2005 15:44

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Considering co-Arudha Padas at the same time...

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Visti, namaste

Excellent point! Now consider this: for UL matching, we usually take the trines

to UL (OR) the 7th from UL if it is stronger. In Sanjays case, which one is

stronger? Both Sg and Ge have exalted planets in it, Ju aspects both and so the

differentiating factor becomes Me. Me aspects neither of the two but is the

lord of the 7th from UL. Thus the trine to Ge is Li. What do you say?

[Visti] Naah, you are making your own rules now.

Secondly, another factor to

differentiate the influences of both UL can possibly be seen from navamsa,

where Ve is in navamsa lagna and hence the native would 'prefer' some one with

Li lagna? Notice how neatly the amsa parivartana switches the role of Ve with

Ma, which added to Ke forms the two co-lords of the 2nd from Li UL (in rasi chart)

influencing the navamsa lagna! And factor in Ra's aspect on the same.

[Visti] I have no idea what you just wrote. The amsa parivartana is

no doubt important, thats why Venus antara was so bad and he left home and had

all sorts of problems with students, whilst in Mars antara he got a child a

promotion and even became more well known because of his predictions.

best regards

Hari

On 6/10/05, Visti Larsen

wrote:

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Hari,

Namaskar

I also follow the second

school of thought, but consider this;

a) Yes Sanjay met his spouse

during his job-training, hence tenth house.

b) His spouse is libra

lagna, which fits with his upapada in Libra.

Sanjay uses both arudhas,