Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear GS Ji and List Members, Allow me to share some of my understanding... Rather than classifying this as evil, I would try to better understand what this yog is doing... Generally speaking, such people fluctuate between deep spirituality and materialism, and have a rise after the mid 40's. People having this do not turn evil or criminal, having this in their chart alone. The whole chart has to be seen in perspective. Consider Argala as well. I have not found this mentioned in the Classical texts. Hope some of this helps. There has also been more discussed in teh archives. Best wishes, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || -- "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010 Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:58:14 -0000 >Respected VistiJi and other learned members, > >This is in regard to the post on KSY/KAY. I will try to make this >post concise and focussed. > >I read the effects of KSY/KAY, their natural age of breaking 45/43 >yrs and turning of the native into evil/spirtual tendencies >respectively. Also that conjunction of planets with rahu/ketu and >placement of planets in 1st/7th house help break the yoga before its >natural age. > >Kaal sarp yoga by its mere name seems to be a dreaded one and from >the effects of this yoga, it seems it is one of the top evil yogas >which may be present in any chart. > >I want to know whether there is any other saving grace from this ill- >fated yoga apart from the above mentioned condition. >When we say that the native will turn evil/criminal in case of KSY, >how one should resolve the contra-indications also present in the >same chart, for eg. >1. AK( significator of soul) well placed in chart >2. Presence of Sadhu or other spiritual yogas in chart. >3. Jupiter planet of Dharma well placed and aspected. > > >Should KSY be given more weightage? would it overrule all other good >factors in the chart leading the native to criminal tendencies?. > >Same case can also be there for KAY, with chart having many bad/evil >yogas which may not turn the native spiritual after the natural age >of KAY. > >Lastly, Can I know the classical text in which this yoga is mentioned. > > >With regards >GS ______________ Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nitin, Namaskar You are perfectly right. And Michal has added that the position of these nodes should be seen with respect to the lagnesh to find which of the two (bhoga marga or moksha marga) the native supports. I add that Arudha lagna should be seen for the final answer. Here general rules should be followed, i.e. Rahu in seventh or twelfth from AL makes a person reject bhoga marga and becomes spiritual, whilst Rahu in third, sixth or eleventh from AL makes the person embrace this bhoga marga completely. Theres more, which you can learn just by focussing on the use of arudha lagna, lagnesh, moon, etc. to get a perfect picture of where the native is heading in life. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Nitin 09 June 2005 05:25 [Om Krishna Guru] #2 Question on KSY/KAY? 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear GS Ji and List Members, Allow me to share some of my understanding... Rather than classifying this as evil, I would try to better understand what this yog is doing... Generally speaking, such people fluctuate between deep spirituality and materialism, and have a rise after the mid 40's. People having this do not turn evil or criminal, having this in their chart alone. The whole chart has to be seen in perspective. Consider Argala as well. I have not found this mentioned in the Classical texts. Hope some of this helps. There has also been more discussed in teh archives. Best wishes, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || ---------- Original Message - "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010 > Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:58:14 -0000 >Respected VistiJi and other learned members, > >This is in regard to the post on KSY/KAY. I will try to make this >post concise and focussed. > >I read the effects of KSY/KAY, their natural age of breaking 45/43 >yrs and turning of the native into evil/spirtual tendencies >respectively. Also that conjunction of planets with rahu/ketu and >placement of planets in 1st/7th house help break the yoga before its >natural age. > >Kaal sarp yoga by its mere name seems to be a dreaded one and from >the effects of this yoga, it seems it is one of the top evil yogas >which may be present in any chart. > >I want to know whether there is any other saving grace from this ill- >fated yoga apart from the above mentioned condition. >When we say that the native will turn evil/criminal in case of KSY, >how one should resolve the contra-indications also present in the >same chart, for eg. >1. AK( significator of soul) well placed in chart >2. Presence of Sadhu or other spiritual yogas in chart. >3. Jupiter planet of Dharma well placed and aspected. > > >Should KSY be given more weightage? would it overrule all other good >factors in the chart leading the native to criminal tendencies?. > >Same case can also be there for KAY, with chart having many bad/evil >yogas which may not turn the native spiritual after the natural age >of KAY. > >Lastly, Can I know the classical text in which this yoga is mentioned. > > >With regards >GS ______________ Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Dear Nitinji and VistiJi, NitinJi thanks for sharing your understanding. Also to VistiJi for making things clear from AL. ok..so whole picture is what matters. However, if this yoga is not mentioned in the classical texts, then who coined the terms "Kaal Sarpa yoga" and "Kaal Amrita yoga". How they came into existence in the first place?. While reading remedial chapters of BPHS, Maharishiji never mentioned it- from the effects stated in the article, it is highly improbable that such a evil giving yog would escape MaharishiJi's attention. After all, if one has to suffer till 40 yrs of his initial life..I don't think there is much left, since prime years of life have gone in suffering. Is this yoga a research done in recent times? Was there an empirical study done to conclusively prove that such effects would incur with this yoga and the effects were not due to any other factors like bad dasha/transits?. If such a study was done, I would be grateful to point me to the right source. With regards GS , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Nitin, Namaskar > > You are perfectly right. And Michal has added that the position of these > nodes should be seen with respect to the lagnesh to find which of the two > (bhoga marga or moksha marga) the native supports. I add that Arudha lagna > should be seen for the final answer. > > Here general rules should be followed, i.e. Rahu in seventh or twelfth from > AL makes a person reject bhoga marga and becomes spiritual, whilst Rahu in > third, sixth or eleventh from AL makes the person embrace this bhoga marga > completely. > > Theres more, which you can learn just by focussing on the use of arudha > lagna, lagnesh, moon, etc. to get a perfect picture of where the native is > heading in life. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Nitin > 09 June 2005 05:25 > > [Om Krishna Guru] #2 Question on KSY/KAY? > > > > ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| > > Dear GS Ji and List Members, > > Allow me to share some of my understanding... > > Rather than classifying this as evil, I would try to better understand what > this yog is doing... > > Generally speaking, such people fluctuate between deep spirituality and > materialism, and have a rise after the mid 40's. > > People having this do not turn evil or criminal, having this in their chart > alone. The whole chart has to be seen in perspective. > > Consider Argala as well. > > > I have not found this mentioned in the Classical texts. > > Hope some of this helps. There has also been more discussed in teh archives. > > > Best wishes, > Nitin. > > || Namah Shivaaya || > > -- > "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010> > > Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:58:14 -0000 > > >Respected VistiJi and other learned members, > > > >This is in regard to the post on KSY/KAY. I will try to make this > >post concise and focussed. > > > >I read the effects of KSY/KAY, their natural age of breaking 45/43 > >yrs and turning of the native into evil/spirtual tendencies > >respectively. Also that conjunction of planets with rahu/ketu and > >placement of planets in 1st/7th house help break the yoga before its > >natural age. > > > >Kaal sarp yoga by its mere name seems to be a dreaded one and from > >the effects of this yoga, it seems it is one of the top evil yogas > >which may be present in any chart. > > > >I want to know whether there is any other saving grace from this ill- > >fated yoga apart from the above mentioned condition. > >When we say that the native will turn evil/criminal in case of KSY, > >how one should resolve the contra-indications also present in the > >same chart, for eg. > >1. AK( significator of soul) well placed in chart > >2. Presence of Sadhu or other spiritual yogas in chart. > >3. Jupiter planet of Dharma well placed and aspected. > > > > > >Should KSY be given more weightage? would it overrule all other good > >factors in the chart leading the native to criminal tendencies?. > > > >Same case can also be there for KAY, with chart having many bad/evil > >yogas which may not turn the native spiritual after the natural age > >of KAY. > > > >Lastly, Can I know the classical text in which this yoga is mentioned. > > > > > >With regards > >GS > > > > > ______________ > Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2005 Report Share Posted June 9, 2005 Namaskar. May I ask what the results would be of a Kala Sarpa yoga where the Arudha lagna is conjunct Rahu and Shree lagna is conjunct Ketu. Thanks Om Shanti! Shanti Naresh Desai-"Visti Larsen" To: Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #2 Question on KSY/KAY?Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:44:37 +0200 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Nitin, Namaskar You are perfectly right. And Michal has added that the position of these nodes should be seen with respect to the lagnesh to find which of the two (bhoga marga or moksha marga) the native supports. I add that Arudha lagna should be seen for the final answer. Here general rules should be followed, i.e. Rahu in seventh or twelfth from AL makes a person reject bhoga marga and becomes spiritual, whilst Rahu in third, sixth or eleventh from AL makes the person embrace this bhoga marga completely. Theres more, which you can learn just by focussing on the use of arudha lagna, lagnesh, moon, etc. to get a perfect picture of where the native is heading in life. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Nitin09 June 2005 05:25Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] #2 Question on KSY/KAY? ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||Dear GS Ji and List Members, Allow me to share some of my understanding...Rather than classifying this as evil, I would try to better understand what this yog is doing...Generally speaking, such people fluctuate between deep spirituality and materialism, and have a rise after the mid 40's. People having this do not turn evil or criminal, having this in their chart alone. The whole chart has to be seen in perspective. Consider Argala as well. I have not found this mentioned in the Classical texts. Hope some of this helps. There has also been more discussed in teh archives. Best wishes, Nitin.|| Namah Shivaaya ||---------- Original Message -"jsk_1010" <jsk_1010 >Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:58:14 -0000>Respected VistiJi and other learned members, >>This is in regard to the post on KSY/KAY. I will try to make this >post concise and focussed.> >I read the effects of KSY/KAY, their natural age of breaking 45/43 >yrs and turning of the native into evil/spirtual tendencies >respectively. Also that conjunction of planets with rahu/ketu and >placement of planets in 1st/7th house help break the yoga before its >natural age. >>Kaal sarp yoga by its mere name seems to be a dreaded one and from >the effects of this yoga, it seems it is one of the top evil yogas >which may be present in any chart. >>I want to know whether there is any other saving grace from this ill->fated yoga apart from the above mentioned condition. >When we say that the native will turn evil/criminal in case of KSY, >how one should resolve the contra-indications also present in the >same chart, for eg. >1. AK( significator of soul) well placed in chart>2. Presence of Sadhu or other spiritual yogas in chart.>3. Jupiter planet of Dharma well placed and aspected. >>>Should KSY be given more weightage? would it overrule all other good >factors in the chart leading the native to criminal tendencies?. >>Same case can also be there for KAY, with chart having many bad/evil >yogas which may not turn the native spiritual after the natural age >of KAY. >>Lastly, Can I know the classical text in which this yoga is mentioned.>>>With regards>GS ______________Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today -- _________Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2005 Report Share Posted June 10, 2005 || Hare Räma Krsna || Dear GS, Namaskar One point that we should bear in mind is that the texts of the maharishis that we have today are by no means complete - in fact quite a bit of Jaimini's teaching is missing, as well as Parasara's. So it is quite possible, in fact quite likely that the reference to KAY/KSY has gone missing, but was there originally. We are lucky that this knowledge has been preserved through the parampara. Regarding your comment about most of one's life being over by the age of 40, it depends how you look at it. For many, the years after 50 (or even before) are spent in search of God - a cause which many will argue is the highest and truest. Best wishes, Samir ______________________ Message: 15 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:08:42 -0000 "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010 > Re: #2 Question on KSY/KAY? Dear Nitinji and VistiJi, NitinJi thanks for sharing your understanding. Also to VistiJi for making things clear from AL. ok..so whole picture is what matters. However, if this yoga is not mentioned in the classical texts, then who coined the terms "Kaal Sarpa yoga" and "Kaal Amrita yoga". How they came into existence in the first place?. While reading remedial chapters of BPHS, Maharishiji never mentioned it- from the effects stated in the article, it is highly improbable that such a evil giving yog would escape MaharishiJi's attention. After all, if one has to suffer till 40 yrs of his initial life..I don't think there is much left, since prime years of life have gone in suffering. Is this yoga a research done in recent times? Was there an empirical study done to conclusively prove that such effects would incur with this yoga and the effects were not due to any other factors like bad dasha/transits?. If such a study was done, I would be grateful to point me to the right source. With regards GS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear GS, Namaskar Never make statistical inferences like that. Larry King has Kala Sarpa Yoga, and only after his 40’s did he become the famous person that we know today on CNN. King, Larry Date: November 19, 1933 Time: 10:38:00 am Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 73 W 56' 00", 40 N 38' 00" Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Samir Shah 10 June 2005 14:25 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: #2 Question on KSY/KAY? 12.0pt"> || Hare Räma Krsna || Dear GS, Namaskar One point that we should bear in mind is that the texts of the maharishis that we have today are by no means complete - in fact quite a bit of Jaimini's teaching is missing, as well as Parasara's. So it is quite possible, in fact quite likely that the reference to KAY/KSY has gone missing, but was there originally. We are lucky that this knowledge has been preserved through the parampara. Regarding your comment about most of one's life being over by the age of 40, it depends how you look at it. For many, the years after 50 (or even before) are spent in search of God - a cause which many will argue is the highest and truest. Best wishes, Samir 12.0pt">______________________ Message: 15 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:08:42 -0000 "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010 > Re: #2 Question on KSY/KAY? Dear Nitinji and VistiJi, NitinJi thanks for sharing your understanding. Also to VistiJi for making things clear from AL. ok..so whole picture is what matters. However, if this yoga is not mentioned in the classical texts, then who coined the terms "Kaal Sarpa yoga" and "Kaal Amrita yoga". How they came into existence in the first place?. While reading remedial chapters of BPHS, Maharishiji never mentioned it- from the effects stated in the article, it is highly improbable that such a evil giving yog would escape MaharishiJi's attention. After all, if one has to suffer till 40 yrs of his initial life..I don't think there is much left, since prime years of life have gone in suffering. Is this yoga a research done in recent times? Was there an empirical study done to conclusively prove that such effects would incur with this yoga and the effects were not due to any other factors like bad dasha/transits?. If such a study was done, I would be grateful to point me to the right source. With regards GS 12.0pt"> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2005 Report Share Posted June 11, 2005 Dear Samir Shah ji Ok.. that's what I was pondering over also. So knowledge about KSY/KAY yoga came to light through the families practicing astrology over generations.. Yes we are lucky that they have shared their knowledge with the rest of us. >>Regarding your comment about most of one's life being over by the age of 40, it depends how you look at it. For many, the years after 50 (or even before) are spent in search of God - a cause which many will argue is the highest and truest. I agree... I was thinking in materialistic terms to be honest, but very few in this world which is bounded by Maya are able to rise above kama,krodha etc.. and pursue that lofty ideal of merging with the ParamAtma. Thanks for clearing the doubts. With regards GS -------------------------- VistiJi.. thanks for the data..It kindles a ray of hope for all who have KSY.:-). However I am not clear what you want to convey.do you mean to say that he became famous after 40 because of KSY.. with regards GS -------------------------- , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear GS, Namaskar > > Never make statistical inferences like that. Larry King has Kala Sarpa Yoga, > and only after his 40's did he become the famous person that we know today > on CNN. > > > > King, Larry > > November 19, 1933 > > Time: 10:38:00 am > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 73 W 56' 00", 40 N 38' 00" > > > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > [] On > Behalf Of Samir Shah > 10 June 2005 14:25 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: #2 Question on KSY/KAY? > > > > || Hare Räma Krsna || > > Dear GS, Namaskar > > One point that we should bear in mind is that the texts of the maharishis > that we have today are by no means complete - in fact quite a bit of > Jaimini's teaching is missing, as well as Parasara's. So it is quite > possible, in fact quite likely that the reference to KAY/KSY has gone > missing, but was there originally. We are lucky that this knowledge has > been preserved through the parampara. > > Regarding your comment about most of one's life being over by the age of 40, > it depends how you look at it. For many, the years after 50 (or even > before) are spent in search of God - a cause which many will argue is the > highest and truest. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > > ____________________ __ > > Message: 15 > Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:08:42 -0000 > "jsk_1010" <jsk_1010> > Re: #2 Question on KSY/KAY? > > Dear Nitinji and VistiJi, > > NitinJi thanks for sharing your understanding. Also to VistiJi for > making things clear from AL. ok..so whole picture is what matters. > > However, if this yoga is not mentioned in the classical texts, then > who coined the terms "Kaal Sarpa yoga" and "Kaal Amrita yoga". How > they came into existence in the first place?. While reading remedial > chapters of BPHS, Maharishiji never mentioned it- from the effects > stated in the article, it is highly improbable that such a evil > giving yog would escape MaharishiJi's attention. After all, if one > has to suffer till 40 yrs of his initial life..I don't think there is > much left, since prime years of life have gone in suffering. > > Is this yoga a research done in recent times? Was there an empirical > study done to conclusively prove that such effects would incur with > this yoga and the effects were not due to any other factors like bad > dasha/transits?. > > If such a study was done, I would be grateful to point me to the > right source. > > With regards > GS > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <? subject=Un> > > * > <> Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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