Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Sanjay Rath [srath (AT) vsnl (DOT) com] 29 November 2001 08:35 varahamihira Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog - A lesson 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH Dear Vatsal, Lesson on Kala Sarpa & Amrita Yoga Definition Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre Rahu Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya Graha" gives the definition of the Yoga. Place your finger on the Ketu and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Rahu. If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala sarpa Yoga is generated. Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45 years. Suffering can make a person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Sarpa yoga, a person becomes the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and destructive nature comes to the fore. Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form of Chandi as per the sloka "Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka". 12.0pt"> Definition of Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the exact opposite of Kala Sarpa yoga and is based on "Agre Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve madhya Graha" wherein Ketu is in the lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on the Rahu and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Ketu. If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala Amrita Yoga is generated. Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering can make a person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a person becomes the kind or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and non-attachment nature is revealed. Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per the sloka "Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka". 12.0pt"> Break of KSY & KAY 10.0pt">If Kala Sarpa yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end the suffering and the destructive nature and criminal tendencies end bringing about a transformation. This can happen in real life with the association of a saint or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala and Buddha deva and (b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and understand the life directions. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not renounce the life and instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits and benefits of luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets breaking the Yoga. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under the following circumstances: 10.0pt">(1) A natural benefic planet joins the first or seventh house (These are the Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn about the real truth). 10.0pt">(2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes. Natural malefic planets conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but then there is no benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Let us examine a few charts to understand this: font-family:"Courier New"">Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal Comments: Place your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you reach Ketu (Sagittarius). Since all the planets are in this half or signs, Kala Amrita Yoga is generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and his daughter (Indira Gandhi) did consider him so although his opponents had a lot to say otherwise. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node). 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of KSY or KAY by the Moon is called MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the begining or birth of something. He was tthe first Prime Minister of independant India and in the chart of Independant India, we find this Kala Amrita Yoga also being present. Is this just a coincidence? Further, it indicates birth in an aristrocratic family with all the paraphernalia of wealth but that would dwindle with time and many hardships including jail terms had to be endured in their struggle for the freedom of India. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is called MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth, food, children and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately this is in the sixth house. November 14, 1889 Time: 23:21:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 81 E 52' 00" Latitude: 25 N 28' 00" Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Year: Virodhi Lunar Month: Karthika Tithi: Krishna Sapthami (52.29% left) Weekday: Friday Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96% left) Yoga: Sukla Karana: Vishti Hora Lord: SaturnSunrise: 6:21:59 Sunset: 17:11:44 Janma Ghatis: 42.4592Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarakLagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq - Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK Moon 18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK Mars 9 Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK Mercury 17 Li 09' 55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09" Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi 1 Li Sg GK Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4 Le Cn PiK Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp AmK Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn - Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - Hora Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi - Ghati Lagna 13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta - Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40' 21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc - Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55" Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc - Rasi +--------------+ | \ Mnd Glk / \ / | | \ Sat / \ Rah / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Moo \ / | | \ / \ / | |Mar x Asc x GL | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Ven \ 4 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Mer x AL | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | |Sun x x HL | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Jup \ / \ | | / Ket \ / \ | +--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+ | \ Mer HL / \ / | | \ Mar / \ Rah / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / AL | |Glk x Asc x Ven Moo | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 11 / \ | | / \ / \ | | GL x | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x Jup x | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / Mnd \ / \ | | / Sun \ / \ | | / Sat Ket \ / \ | +--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket 1890-07-28 Ven 1891-07-25 Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar 1896-08-31 Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22 Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29 Moo 1907-02-01 Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30 Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer 1911-03-03 Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01 Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30 Sat 1924-12-31 Mer 1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31 Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar 1932-12-19 Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06 Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28 Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar 1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02 Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer 1943-12-31 Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02 Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17 Sat 1950-07-23 Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29 Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo 1954-08-02 Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05 Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21 Sun 1969-09-20 Moo 1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11 Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer 1977-11-02 Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15 Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09 Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer 1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14 Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo 2000-02-02 Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21 10.0pt">I am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand. More details later. Assignment: 10.0pt">1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY and one person with KAY and provide comments. 10.0pt">2. There is yet another version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and explain Sarpa Yoga and recommend remedies for allevation of suffering associated with it with a few examples. Best Regards Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com 10.0pt">- 10.0pt">"Vatsal Shah" <vatsal (AT) vatsal (DOT) net> 10.0pt"><varahamihira> 10.0pt">Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30 AM 10.0pt">[Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">> Pranam, > > How you define Kalsarp yog? > As far as I know if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is > called Kalsarp yog. > > But here is my question > if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th house. > > now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp. > or only if all the palnets are in between 2-6th house is called > Kalsarp. > > Thank you, > Vats > > > Sponsor > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > > > OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Files: varahamihira varahamihira/database Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 JAI SRIRAM Dear Sanjayji, As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node). I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above definitions of KAY and its broken theory. 1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then how it is called as KAY? 2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How? 3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon? 4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not? 5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence of rasi chart? Thanks, S.Venkatesh. , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > _____ > > Sanjay Rath [srath@v...] > 29 November 2001 08:35 > varahamihira > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog - A lesson > > > > > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Vatsal, > > > Lesson on Kala Sarpa & Amrita Yoga > > > Definition > > > Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre Rahu Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya Graha" > gives the definition of the Yoga. Place your finger on the Ketu and then > move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Rahu. > If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala sarpa Yoga is > generated. > > Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age > of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45 years. Suffering can make a > person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Sarpa yoga, a person becomes > the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and destructive nature comes > to the fore. > > Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form of Chandi as per the sloka "Kaloh > Chandi Vinayaka". > > > > Definition of Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the exact opposite > of Kala Sarpa yoga and is based on "Agre Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve madhya Graha" > wherein Ketu is in the lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on the Rahu > and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you > reach Ketu. If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala Amrita > Yoga is generated. > > Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age > of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering can make a > person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a person becomes > the kind or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and non- attachment > nature is revealed. > > Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per the sloka "Kaloh > Chandi Vinayaka". > > > > > Break of KSY & KAY > > > If Kala Sarpa yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end the > suffering and the destructive nature and criminal tendencies end bringing > about a transformation. This can happen in real life with the association of > a saint or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala and Buddha > deva and (b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and > understand the life directions. > > > > If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not renounce the life and > instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits and benefits of > luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets breaking the Yoga. > > > > The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under the following > circumstances: > > (1) A natural benefic planet joins the first or seventh house (These are the > Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn about the real truth). > > (2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes. Natural malefic planets > conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but then there is no > benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc. > > > > Let us examine a few charts to understand this: > > Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal > > Comments: Place your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move the finger in > the zodiacal direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you reach Ketu > (Sagittarius). Since all the planets are in this half or signs, Kala Amrita > Yoga is generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and his > daughter (Indira Gandhi) did consider him so although his opponents had a > lot to say otherwise. > > > > The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1) Natural benefic > and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter > conjoins Ketu (Node). > > > > The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of KSY or KAY by the Moon is called > MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the begining or birth of something. He > was tthe first Prime Minister of independant India and in the chart of > Independant India, we find this Kala Amrita Yoga also being present. Is this > just a coincidence? Further, it indicates birth in an aristrocratic family > with all the paraphernalia of wealth but that would dwindle with time and > many hardships including jail terms had to be endured in their struggle for > the freedom of India. > > > > The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is called > MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth, food, > children and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately this is in > the sixth house. > > November 14, 1889 > > > Time: 23:21:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > Longitude: 81 E 52' 00" > > > Latitude: 25 N 28' 00" > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > Lunar Year: Virodhi > > > Lunar Month: Karthika > > > Tithi: Krishna Sapthami (52.29% left) > > > Weekday: Friday > > > Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96% left) > > > Yoga: Sukla > > > Karana: Vishti > > > Hora Lord: Saturn > Sunrise: 6:21:59 > > > Sunset: 17:11:44 > > > Janma Ghatis: 42.4592 > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak > Lagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq - > > > Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK > > > Moon 18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK > > > Mars 9 Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK > > > Mercury 17 Li 09' 55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK > > > Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09" Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK > > > Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi 1 Li Sg GK > > > Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4 Le Cn PiK > > > Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp AmK > > > Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn - > > > Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc - > > > Hora Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi - > > > Ghati Lagna 13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta - > > > Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40' 21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc - > > > Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55" Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc - > > > Rasi > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ Mnd Glk / \ / | > > > | \ Sat / \ Rah / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / Moo \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Mar x Asc x GL | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Ven \ 4 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | Mer x AL | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > |Sun x x HL | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Jup \ / \ | > > > | / Ket \ / \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > Navamsa > > > +--------------+ > > > | \ Mer HL / \ / | > > > | \ Mar / \ Rah / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / AL | > > > |Glk x Asc x Ven Moo | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ 11 / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | GL x | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | \ / \ / | > > > | x Jup x | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / \ / \ | > > > | / Mnd \ / \ | > > > | / Sun \ / \ | > > > | / Sat Ket \ / \ | > > > +--------------+ > > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket 1890-07-28 Ven 1891-07-25 > > > Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar 1896-08-31 > > > Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22 > > > Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29 > > > Moo 1907-02-01 Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30 > > > Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer 1911-03-03 > > > Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01 > > > Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30 > > > Sat 1924-12-31 Mer 1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31 > > > Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar 1932-12-19 > > > Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06 > > > Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28 > > > Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar 1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02 > > > Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer 1943-12-31 > > > Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02 > > > Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17 > > > Sat 1950-07-23 Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29 > > > Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo 1954-08-02 > > > Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05 > > > Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21 > > > Sun 1969-09-20 Moo 1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11 > > > Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer 1977-11-02 > > > Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15 > > > Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09 > > > Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer 1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14 > > > Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo 2000-02-02 > > > Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21 > > > I am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand. More > details later. > > Assignment: > > 1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY and one person with KAY > and provide comments. > > 2. There is yet another version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and explain > Sarpa Yoga and recommend remedies for allevation of suffering associated > with it with a few examples. > Best Regards > Sanjay Rath > <http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > - > > "Vatsal Shah" < <vatsal@v...> vatsal@v...> > > < <varahamihira> varahamihira> > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30 AM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog. > > > > > Pranam, > > > > How you define Kalsarp yog? > > As far as I know if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is > > called Kalsarp yog. > > > > But here is my question > > if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th house. > > > > now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp. > > or only if all the palnets are in between 2-6th house is called > > Kalsarp. > > > > Thank you, > > Vats > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: <varahamihira> > varahamihira > > Files: <varahamihira> > varahamihira > > <varahamihira/database> > varahamihira/database > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > > <> Terms of Service. 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Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what understanding I have on this subject: 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet joining, whether it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga. However what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken in this manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its natural time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list just recently. 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we should not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the Moon is not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is Lagnesh, and therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered auspicious for the native. 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it is known as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and instead of reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so some other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or Mercury joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart. 4. No, it does not exist. 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the yoga can exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the same in the Rasi chart. I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members. Best wishes, Samir At 22:58 05/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 16 Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:44:35 -0000 "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk > Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. JAI SRIRAM Dear Sanjayji, As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node). I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above definitions of KAY and its broken theory. 1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then how it is called as KAY? 2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How? 3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon? 4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not? 5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence of rasi chart? Thanks, S.Venkatesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 JAI SRIRAM, Dear Sami, Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not? I think that in the second question malefic is malefic evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that? Thanks, S.Venkatesh. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what understanding > I have on this subject: > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet joining, whether > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga. However > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken in this > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its natural > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list just > recently. > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we should > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the Moon is > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is Lagnesh, and > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered auspicious > for the native. > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it is known > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and instead of > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so some > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or Mercury > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart. > > 4. No, it does not exist. > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the yoga can > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the same in the > Rasi chart. > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 22:58 05/06/2005, you wrote: > >__________________ ____ > > > >Message: 16 > > Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:44:35 -0000 > > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> > >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. > > > >JAI SRIRAM > >Dear Sanjayji, > > > > As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late > >Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view > >this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in > >Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu > >(Node). > > > >I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above > >definitions of KAY and its broken theory. > > > >1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of > >ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then > >how it is called as KAY? > > > >2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his > >Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural > >malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How? > > > >3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics > >but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking > >creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon? > > > >4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it > >is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not? > > > >5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc > >or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence > >of rasi chart? > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar 1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said that it does not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node in terms of degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that planet will break the yoga. Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the person's life, if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However that planet will ensure that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural time (42-25 years). In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the yoga (Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to an even lesser degree. 2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic regardless"? I can only restate the two points I made in this regard: a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half, but this does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how strict and disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is still founded on love. b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of Lagna is always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other lordships become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a planet cannot be changed, but its functional quality is of great import. Do you really think that your own Lagna lord would, regardless of which planet it is, would tighten the noose around your neck? It will always try to protect you. The manner in which it does so, we can see from the nature of the planet. 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have gathered from the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive understanding I will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra lordship is based on Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to do with it. I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any mistakes I have made. Best wishes, Samir At 21:55 06/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 16 Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:25:30 -0000 "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk > Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. JAI SRIRAM, Dear Sami, Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not? I think that in the second question malefic is malefic evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that? Thanks, S.Venkatesh. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what understanding > I have on this subject: > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet joining, whether > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga. However > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken in this > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its natural > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list just > recently. > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we should > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the Moon is > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is Lagnesh, and > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered auspicious > for the native. > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it is known > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and instead of > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so some > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or Mercury > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart. > > 4. No, it does not exist. > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the yoga can > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the same in the > Rasi chart. > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 JAI SRIRAM, Dear Sami, 1. Please again read my first question that it is not about breaking of KSY/KAY,it is about in nehru's chart i think that jupiter is out of the grasp between the nodes since jupiter has more longitude than ketu. 2.From your answer 2.b.It is a good point "the natural behaviour of a planet cannot be changed, but its functional quality is of great import".But for malefic is malefic please read Pt.Sanjay's article "COVA 10th house extracts" in that benefic and does not become a malefic and viceversa. Thanks, S.Venkatesh. , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > 1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said that it does > not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node in terms of > degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that planet will break the > yoga. > > Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the person's life, > if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However that planet will ensure > that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural time (42-25 years). > > In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the yoga > (Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to an even > lesser degree. > > 2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic regardless"? I can > only restate the two points I made in this regard: > > a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half, but this > does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or > Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how strict and > disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is still > founded on love. > > b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of Lagna is > always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other lordships > become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a planet cannot be > changed, but its functional quality is of great import. Do you really > think that your own Lagna lord would, regardless of which planet it is, > would tighten the noose around your neck? It will always try to protect > you. The manner in which it does so, we can see from the nature of the > planet. > > 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have gathered from > the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive understanding I > will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra lordship is based on > Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to do with it. > > I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any mistakes I have > made. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 21:55 06/06/2005, you wrote: > >__________________ ____ > > > >Message: 16 > > Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:25:30 -0000 > > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> > >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. > > > >JAI SRIRAM, > >Dear Sami, > > > > Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my > >first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a > >plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same > >rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in > >Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and > >ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not? > > > > I think that in the second question malefic is malefic > >evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic > > In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why > >rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that? > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh. > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > >wrote: > > > || Om Krsna Guru || > > > > > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what > > > >understanding > > > > > I have on this subject: > > > > > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet > > > >joining, whether > > > > > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga. > > > >However > > > > > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken > > > >in this > > > > > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be > > > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its > > > >natural > > > > > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets > > > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list > > > >just > > > > > recently. > > > > > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we > > > >should > > > > > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the > > > >Moon is > > > > > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is > > > >Lagnesh, and > > > > > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered > > > >auspicious > > > > > for the native. > > > > > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it > > > >is known > > > > > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and > > > >instead of > > > > > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so > > > >some > > > > > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or > > > >Mercury > > > > > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart. > > > > > > 4. No, it does not exist. > > > > > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the > > > >yoga can > > > > > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the > > > >same in the > > > > > Rasi chart. > > > > > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Venkatesh om sai ram - may the bright light shine on you The last question was left out I think. The atma is in the bondage of the KSY else how could it have taken birth. Think of the kundalini, the samudra manthana (churning of ocean)...etc. The navamsa holds the key t break free from this bondage and this is the Ista devata, the 12th house from AK, the great escape, the place of permanent sleep for the soul that has never slept for so many many centuries. When it is tired of all this playing, all this frolicking then it will seek this sleep - the perfect silence. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * ksvssvk [ksvssvk ] Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:15 PMTo: Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. JAI SRIRAMDear Sanjayji, As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node). I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above definitions of KAY and its broken theory.1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then how it is called as KAY?2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How?3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon?4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not?5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence of rasi chart?Thanks,S.Venkatesh. --- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> _____ > > Sanjay Rath [srath@v...] > 29 November 2001 08:35> To: varahamihira> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog - A lesson> > > > > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH> Dear Vatsal,> > > Lesson on Kala Sarpa & Amrita Yoga> > > Definition> > > Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre Rahu Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya Graha"> gives the definition of the Yoga. Place your finger on the Ketu and then> move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Rahu.> If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala sarpa Yoga is> generated. > > Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age> of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45 years. Suffering can make a> person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Sarpa yoga, a person becomes> the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and destructive nature comes> to the fore.> > Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form of Chandi as per the sloka "Kaloh> Chandi Vinayaka".> > > > Definition of Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the exact opposite> of Kala Sarpa yoga and is based on "Agre Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve madhya Graha"> wherein Ketu is in the lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on the Rahu> and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you> reach Ketu. If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala Amrita> Yoga is generated. > > Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age> of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering can make a> person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a person becomes> the kind or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and non-attachment> nature is revealed.> > Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per the sloka "Kaloh> Chandi Vinayaka".> > > > > Break of KSY & KAY> > > If Kala Sarpa yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end the> suffering and the destructive nature and criminal tendencies end bringing> about a transformation. This can happen in real life with the association of> a saint or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala and Buddha> deva and (b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and> understand the life directions.> > > > If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not renounce the life and> instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits and benefits of> luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets breaking the Yoga.> > > > The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under the following> circumstances:> > (1) A natural benefic planet joins the first or seventh house (These are the> Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn about the real truth).> > (2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes. Natural malefic planets> conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but then there is no> benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc.> > > > Let us examine a few charts to understand this:> > Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal> > Comments: Place your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move the finger in> the zodiacal direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you reach Ketu> (Sagittarius). Since all the planets are in this half or signs, Kala Amrita> Yoga is generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and his> daughter (Indira Gandhi) did consider him so although his opponents had a> lot to say otherwise. > > > > The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1) Natural benefic> and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter> conjoins Ketu (Node). > > > > The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of KSY or KAY by the Moon is called> MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the begining or birth of something. He> was tthe first Prime Minister of independant India and in the chart of> Independant India, we find this Kala Amrita Yoga also being present. Is this> just a coincidence? Further, it indicates birth in an aristrocratic family> with all the paraphernalia of wealth but that would dwindle with time and> many hardships including jail terms had to be endured in their struggle for> the freedom of India.> > > > The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is called> MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth, food,> children and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately this is in> the sixth house.> > November 14, 1889> > > Time: 23:21:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Longitude: 81 E 52' 00"> > > Latitude: 25 N 28' 00"> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> Lunar Year: Virodhi> > > Lunar Month: Karthika> > > Tithi: Krishna Sapthami (52.29% left)> > > Weekday: Friday> > > Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96% left)> > > Yoga: Sukla> > > Karana: Vishti> > > Hora Lord: Saturn> Sunrise: 6:21:59> > > Sunset: 17:11:44> > > Janma Ghatis: 42.4592> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa ChKarak> Lagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq -> > > Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK> > > Moon 18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK> > > Mars 9 Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK> > > Mercury 17 Li 09' 55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK> > > Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09" Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK> > > Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi 1 Li Sg GK> > > Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4 Le Cn PiK> > > Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp AmK> > > Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn -> > > Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc -> > > Hora Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi -> > > Ghati Lagna 13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta -> > > Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40' 21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc -> > > Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55" Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc -> > > Rasi > > > +--------------+> > > | \ Mnd Glk / \ / |> > > | \ Sat / \ Rah / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / Moo \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > |Mar x Asc x GL |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / Ven \ 4 / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | Mer x AL |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > |Sun x x HL |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / Jup \ / \ |> > > | / Ket \ / \ |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > Navamsa > > > +--------------+> > > | \ Mer HL / \ / |> > > | \ Mar / \ Rah / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / AL |> > > |Glk x Asc x Ven Moo |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ 11 / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | GL x |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | x Jup x |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | / Mnd \ / \ |> > > | / Sun \ / \ |> > > | / Sat Ket \ / \ |> > > +--------------+> > > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket 1890-07-28 Ven 1891-07-25 > > > Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar 1896-08-31 > > > Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22 > > > Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29 > > > Moo 1907-02-01 Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30 > > > Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer 1911-03-03 > > > Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01 > > > Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30 > > > Sat 1924-12-31 Mer 1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31 > > > Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar 1932-12-19 > > > Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06 > > > Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28 > > > Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar 1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02 > > > Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer 1943-12-31 > > > Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02 > > > Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17 > > > Sat 1950-07-23 Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29 > > > Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo 1954-08-02 > > > Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05 > > > Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21 > > > Sun 1969-09-20 Moo 1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11 > > > Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer 1977-11-02 > > > Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15 > > > Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09 > > > Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer 1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14 > > > Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo 2000-02-02 > > > Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21 > > > I am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand. More> details later.> > Assignment: > > 1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY and one person with KAY> and provide comments.> > 2. There is yet another version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and explain> Sarpa Yoga and recommend remedies for allevation of suffering associated> with it with a few examples.> Best Regards> Sanjay Rath> <http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> > - > > "Vatsal Shah" < <vatsal@v...> vatsal@v...>> > < <varahamihira> varahamihira>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30 AM> > [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog.> > > > > Pranam,> > > > How you define Kalsarp yog?> > As far as I know if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is > > called Kalsarp yog.> > > > But here is my question> > if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th house.> > > > now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp.> > or only if all the palnets are in between 2-6th house is called > > Kalsarp.> > > > Thank you,> > Vats> > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT> > Archive: <varahamihira>> varahamihira> > Files: <varahamihira>> varahamihira> > <varahamihira/database>> varahamihira/database> > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > <> Terms of Service.~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar It seems we are going round in circles now. I have already stated what I have learnt about planets joining the nodes in KAY/KSY. Their longitude does not matter. If you read Sanjayjis article, you will see that Nehru did suffer the effects of the yoga until it was broken, and India gained independence and he became PM. So this again answers your question. I recommend reading the whole of COVA, not just the sample chapter, as this will facilitate a greater understanding. The book is sprinkled generously with guidelines and tips - many of which I have yet to uncover. Best wishes, Samir At 23:41 07/06/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 6 Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:03:08 -0000 "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk > Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. JAI SRIRAM, Dear Sami, 1. Please again read my first question that it is not about breaking of KSY/KAY,it is about in nehru's chart i think that jupiter is out of the grasp between the nodes since jupiter has more longitude than ketu. 2.From your answer 2.b.It is a good point "the natural behaviour of a planet cannot be changed, but its functional quality is of great import".But for malefic is malefic please read Pt.Sanjay's article "COVA 10th house extracts" in that benefic and does not become a malefic and viceversa. Thanks, S.Venkatesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear Sanjayji, Pranaam! Thank you very much for your guidance. I shall endeavour to engage the practical aspect of things as well as the theoretical in future. It is by the grace of you and the SJC that I am learning at all. Pranaam, Samir ______________________ Message: 13 Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:37:20 +0530 "Sanjay Rath" <guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com> RE: Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. Jaya Jagannatha Dear Samir Excellent - crystal clear. I think your points are technically clear but they need explaining as to how it works in real life - the self breaking the yoga when benefic is in lagna/7th and someone from outside breaking it/helping when the nodes are conjoined. Without Gandhi where would Nehru be? Do you think he could have been the first PM of India? That is why I say that Jupiter actually breaks the KAY in the chart of Nehru. He was very able due to the Moon but not capable of breaking the KAY and getting out of the strangle hold of the colonial powers. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath CenterR 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com <http://srath.com/ > , +91-11-25717162 * * * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Om Ganeshay Namah Shree Gurave Namah Dear Venkatesh ji, Samir and friends, Namaste. I share my understanding as under - ***Venkatesh: It is about if a plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and ketu. **** HM: Please note that the direction of motion of Ketu/Rahu is retro. Thus actually KETU at 12 deg has already eclipsed the Ju at 15deg. Well, however, in KSY/KAY, mere conjunction of a planet itself beaks the yoga, be it malefic or benefic, with reslts as described by Guru Sanjay ji. This is my experience too. Further, within an 8 degree arc of RAHU/KETU the break is effected potently, and even in the same bhava existence of another planet breaks KSY/KAY. That is precisely what Samir said in a few words. *********SAMIR> 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have gathered from the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive understanding I will rely on their word. ********* HM: 1. Mercury is gullible and adaptable. It is soumya alright, but immatue and can work as a benefic only under guidance of an adult benefic; so ltimately it is that benefic which holds the key. Alone with RAHU/KETU, it is guided by them, so beak in KAY/KAY does occur, but akin to break by a malefic in results. 2. Venus is Shukracharya, the Rakshasa guru and intent on indulgence. True, it shall also break the yoga, but with intentions of indulgence it neither delivers spiritual 'growth' nor physical 'satisfaction', true to its nature, always craving for more. *********************************************** I have seen many charts with KSY/KAY and according to my opinion based on experience, the write up by guru Sanjay ji and Samir's comments on it suffice. It is for one to undestand and practise to improve undestanding. The following peculiarities, learnt over years are however worth sharing: a. KSY/KAY runs in family, in particular in direct descendents of the 1st or 2nd generation. It shows up unmistakably in charts of children/grandchildren. In some cases it may manifest as not full yoga but as Sarpa Yoga or a broken KSY/KAY, which is according to karma of that individual. b. If the charts of children born after propitiation for mother/father do not show this yoga, the remedy can be accepted as successul. Even otherwise, some charts of progeny may not show KSY/KAY and then it should be treated to have been broken on its own. c. More often than not, it causes illicit relations or un-natural sex tendencies or both. d. Rahu Kavacham obtained by 72000 rahu-mantra japa with anushthana and bhirava pujana also protects one's interests by shielding against Rahu/Ketu's ill effects by praying to Rahu. However, I do not consider it to be a satwik remedy, do not normally recommend it and only guru Sanjay ji can comment on this further with his tantra experience. I would like to clarify that I mention this remedy so that one un-knowingly does not prescribe this remedy with Chandi-Pujan and japam, becase both can not wok together and shall be disastrous. Shri Duga upasana only is recommended. Om Shri Krishnapanamastu. Radhekrishna! Himanshu Mohan , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > 1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said that it does > not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node in terms of > degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that planet will break the > yoga. > > Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the person's life, > if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However that planet will ensure > that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural time (42-25 years). > > In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the yoga > (Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to an even > lesser degree. > > 2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic regardless"? I can > only restate the two points I made in this regard: > > a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half, but this > does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or > Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how strict and > disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is still > founded on love. > > b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of Lagna is > always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other lordships > become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a planet cannot be > changed, but its functional quality is of great import. Do you really > think that your own Lagna lord would, regardless of which planet it is, > would tighten the noose around your neck? It will always try to protect > you. The manner in which it does so, we can see from the nature of the > planet. > > 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have gathered from > the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive understanding I > will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra lordship is based on > Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to do with it. > > I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any mistakes I have > made. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > At 21:55 06/06/2005, you wrote: > >______________________ > > > >Message: 16 > > Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:25:30 -0000 > > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk> > >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath. > > > >JAI SRIRAM, > >Dear Sami, > > > > Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my > >first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a > >plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same > >rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in > >Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and > >ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not? > > > > I think that in the second question malefic is malefic > >evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic > > In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why > >rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that? > > > >Thanks, > >S.Venkatesh. > > > > > >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...> > >wrote: > > > || Om Krsna Guru || > > > > > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar > > > > > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what > > > >understanding > > > > > I have on this subject: > > > > > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet > > > >joining, whether > > > > > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga. > > > >However > > > > > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken > > > >in this > > > > > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be > > > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its > > > >natural > > > > > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets > > > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list > > > >just > > > > > recently. > > > > > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we > > > >should > > > > > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the > > > >Moon is > > > > > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is > > > >Lagnesh, and > > > > > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered > > > >auspicious > > > > > for the native. > > > > > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it > > > >is known > > > > > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and > > > >instead of > > > > > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so > > > >some > > > > > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or > > > >Mercury > > > > > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart. > > > > > > 4. No, it does not exist. > > > > > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the > > > >yoga can > > > > > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the > > > >same in the > > > > > Rasi chart. > > > > > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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