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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Sanjay Rath

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29 November 2001 08:35

varahamihira

Re: [Hare Rama Krishna]

Kalsarp yog - A lesson

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

OM SRI

GURAVE NAMAH

Dear Vatsal,

Lesson

on Kala Sarpa & Amrita Yoga

Definition

Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre

Rahu Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya Graha" gives the definition

of the Yoga. Place your finger on the Ketu and then move the finger in the

zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Rahu. If all the planets are in

this half or signs, then Kala sarpa Yoga is generated.

Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses

the natural age of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45 years. Suffering

can make a person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Sarpa yoga, a person

becomes the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and destructive nature

comes to the fore.

Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form of Chandi as per the

sloka "Kaloh Chandi Vinayaka".

12.0pt">

Definition of Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the exact opposite

of Kala Sarpa yoga and is based on "Agre

Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve madhya Graha" wherein Ketu is in the

lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on the Rahu and then move the finger in

the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you reach Ketu. If all the planets

are in this half or signs, then Kala Amrita Yoga is generated.

Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses

the natural age of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering

can make a person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a person

becomes the kind or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and

non-attachment nature is revealed.

Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per

the sloka "Kaloh Chandi

Vinayaka".

12.0pt">

Break

of KSY & KAY

10.0pt">If Kala Sarpa yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end the

suffering and the destructive nature and criminal tendencies end bringing about

a transformation. This can happen in real life with the association of a saint

or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala and Buddha deva and

(b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and understand the life

directions.

12.0pt">

10.0pt">If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not renounce the

life and instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits and benefits

of luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets breaking the Yoga.

12.0pt">

10.0pt">The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under the following

circumstances:

10.0pt">(1) A natural benefic planet joins the first or seventh house (These

are the Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn about the real truth).

10.0pt">(2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes. Natural malefic

planets conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but then there

is no benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc.

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Let us examine a few charts to understand this:

font-family:"Courier New"">Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal

Comments: Place your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move

the finger in the zodiacal direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you

reach Ketu (Sagittarius). Since all the planets are in this half or signs, Kala

Amrita Yoga is generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and his

daughter (Indira Gandhi) did consider him so although his opponents had a lot

to say otherwise.

12.0pt">

10.0pt">The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1) Natural

benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2)

Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node).

12.0pt">

10.0pt">The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of KSY or KAY by the Moon is called

MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the begining or birth of something. He was

tthe first Prime Minister of independant India

and in the chart of Independant India,

we find this Kala Amrita Yoga also being present. Is this just a coincidence?

Further, it indicates birth in an aristrocratic family with all the

paraphernalia of wealth but that would dwindle with time and many hardships

including jail terms had to be endured in their struggle for the freedom of India.

12.0pt">

10.0pt">The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is called

MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth, food, children

and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately this is in the sixth

house.

November 14, 1889

Time: 23:21:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Longitude: 81 E 52' 00"

Latitude: 25 N 28' 00"

Altitude: 0.00 metersLunar Year: Virodhi

Lunar Month: Karthika

Tithi: Krishna Sapthami (52.29% left)

Weekday: Friday

Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96% left)

Yoga: Sukla

Karana: Vishti

Hora Lord: SaturnSunrise: 6:21:59

Sunset: 17:11:44

Janma Ghatis: 42.4592Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi

Navamsa ChKarakLagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq -

Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK

Moon 18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK

Mars 9 Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK

Mercury 17 Li 09' 55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK

Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09" Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK

Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi 1 Li Sg GK

Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4 Le Cn PiK

Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp AmK

Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn -

Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc -

Hora Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi -

Ghati Lagna 13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta -

Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40' 21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc -

Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55" Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc -

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ Mnd Glk / \ / |

| \ Sat / \ Rah / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Moo \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|Mar x Asc x GL |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / Ven \ 4 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Mer x AL |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|Sun x x HL |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / Jup \ / \ |

| / Ket \ / \ |

+--------------+

 

Navamsa

+--------------+

| \ Mer HL / \ / |

| \ Mar / \ Rah / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / AL |

|Glk x Asc x Ven Moo |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ 11 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| GL x |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| x Jup x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / Mnd \ / \ |

| / Sun \ / \ |

| / Sat Ket \ / \ |

+--------------+

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket 1890-07-28 Ven

1891-07-25

Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar 1896-08-31

Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22

Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29

Moo 1907-02-01 Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30

Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer 1911-03-03

Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01

Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30

Sat 1924-12-31 Mer 1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31

Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar 1932-12-19

Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06

Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28

Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar 1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02

Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer 1943-12-31

Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02

Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17

Sat 1950-07-23 Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29

Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo 1954-08-02

Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05

Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21

Sun 1969-09-20 Moo 1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11

Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer 1977-11-02

Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15

Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09

Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer 1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14

Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo 2000-02-02

Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21

10.0pt">I am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand. More

details later.

Assignment:

10.0pt">1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY and one person with

KAY and provide comments.

10.0pt">2. There is yet another version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and

explain Sarpa Yoga and recommend remedies for allevation of suffering

associated with it with a few examples.

Best Regards

Sanjay Rath

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

10.0pt">-

10.0pt">"Vatsal Shah" <vatsal (AT) vatsal (DOT) net>

10.0pt"><varahamihira>

10.0pt">Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30

AM

10.0pt">[Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog.

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10.0pt">> Pranam,

>

> How you define Kalsarp yog?

> As far as I know if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is

> called Kalsarp yog.

>

> But here is my question

> if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th house.

>

> now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp.

> or only if all the palnets are in between 2-6th house is called

> Kalsarp.

>

> Thank you,

> Vats

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Dear Sanjayji,

 

As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late

Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view

this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in

Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu

(Node).

 

I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above

definitions of KAY and its broken theory.

 

1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of

ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then

how it is called as KAY?

 

2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his

Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural

malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How?

 

3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics

but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking

creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon?

 

4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it

is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not?

 

5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc

or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence

of rasi chart?

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

 

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> _____

>

> Sanjay Rath [srath@v...]

> 29 November 2001 08:35

> varahamihira

> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog - A lesson

>

>

>

>

>

> OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH

> Dear Vatsal,

>

>

> Lesson on Kala Sarpa & Amrita Yoga

>

>

> Definition

>

>

> Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre Rahu Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya

Graha"

> gives the definition of the Yoga. Place your finger on the Ketu

and then

> move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you

reach Rahu.

> If all the planets are in this half or signs, then Kala sarpa Yoga

is

> generated.

>

> Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the

natural age

> of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45 years. Suffering can

make a

> person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Sarpa yoga, a

person becomes

> the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and destructive

nature comes

> to the fore.

>

> Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form of Chandi as per the

sloka "Kaloh

> Chandi Vinayaka".

>

>

>

> Definition of Kala Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the

exact opposite

> of Kala Sarpa yoga and is based on "Agre Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve

madhya Graha"

> wherein Ketu is in the lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on

the Rahu

> and then move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's

till you

> reach Ketu. If all the planets are in this half or signs, then

Kala Amrita

> Yoga is generated.

>

> Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the

natural age

> of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering can

make a

> person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a

person becomes

> the kind or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and non-

attachment

> nature is revealed.

>

> Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per the

sloka "Kaloh

> Chandi Vinayaka".

>

>

>

>

> Break of KSY & KAY

>

>

> If Kala Sarpa yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end

the

> suffering and the destructive nature and criminal tendencies end

bringing

> about a transformation. This can happen in real life with the

association of

> a saint or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala

and Buddha

> deva and (b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and

> understand the life directions.

>

>

>

> If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not renounce

the life and

> instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits and

benefits of

> luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets breaking

the Yoga.

>

>

>

> The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under the following

> circumstances:

>

> (1) A natural benefic planet joins the first or seventh house

(These are the

> Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn about the real

truth).

>

> (2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes. Natural malefic

planets

> conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but then there

is no

> benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc.

>

>

>

> Let us examine a few charts to understand this:

>

> Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal

>

> Comments: Place your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move the

finger in

> the zodiacal direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you

reach Ketu

> (Sagittarius). Since all the planets are in this half or signs,

Kala Amrita

> Yoga is generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and

his

> daughter (Indira Gandhi) did consider him so although his

opponents had a

> lot to say otherwise.

>

>

>

> The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1)

Natural benefic

> and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2)

Jupiter

> conjoins Ketu (Node).

>

>

>

> The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of KSY or KAY by the Moon is

called

> MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the begining or birth of

something. He

> was tthe first Prime Minister of independant India and in the

chart of

> Independant India, we find this Kala Amrita Yoga also being

present. Is this

> just a coincidence? Further, it indicates birth in an

aristrocratic family

> with all the paraphernalia of wealth but that would dwindle with

time and

> many hardships including jail terms had to be endured in their

struggle for

> the freedom of India.

>

>

>

> The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is

called

> MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth,

food,

> children and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately

this is in

> the sixth house.

>

> November 14, 1889

>

>

> Time: 23:21:00

>

>

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

>

>

> Longitude: 81 E 52' 00"

>

>

> Latitude: 25 N 28' 00"

>

>

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

> Lunar Year: Virodhi

>

>

> Lunar Month: Karthika

>

>

> Tithi: Krishna Sapthami (52.29% left)

>

>

> Weekday: Friday

>

>

> Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96% left)

>

>

> Yoga: Sukla

>

>

> Karana: Vishti

>

>

> Hora Lord: Saturn

> Sunrise: 6:21:59

>

>

> Sunset: 17:11:44

>

>

> Janma Ghatis: 42.4592

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

ChKarak

> Lagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq -

>

>

> Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK

>

>

> Moon 18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK

>

>

> Mars 9 Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK

>

>

> Mercury 17 Li 09' 55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK

>

>

> Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09" Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK

>

>

> Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi 1 Li Sg GK

>

>

> Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4 Le Cn PiK

>

>

> Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp AmK

>

>

> Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn -

>

>

> Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc -

>

>

> Hora Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi -

>

>

> Ghati Lagna 13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta -

>

>

> Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40' 21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc -

>

>

> Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55" Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc -

>

>

> Rasi

>

>

> +--------------+

>

>

> | \ Mnd Glk / \ / |

>

>

> | \ Sat / \ Rah / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / Moo \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> |Mar x Asc x GL |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Ven \ 4 / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | Mer x AL |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> |Sun x x HL |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Jup \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Ket \ / \ |

>

>

> +--------------+

>

>

>

>

>

> Navamsa

>

>

> +--------------+

>

>

> | \ Mer HL / \ / |

>

>

> | \ Mar / \ Rah / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / AL |

>

>

> |Glk x Asc x Ven Moo |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ 11 / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | GL x |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | \ / \ / |

>

>

> | x Jup x |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Mnd \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Sun \ / \ |

>

>

> | / Sat Ket \ / \ |

>

>

> +--------------+

>

>

>

>

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket 1890-07-28 Ven 1891-07-25

>

>

> Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar 1896-08-31

>

>

> Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22

>

>

> Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29

>

>

> Moo 1907-02-01 Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30

>

>

> Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer 1911-03-03

>

>

> Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01

>

>

> Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30

>

>

> Sat 1924-12-31 Mer 1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31

>

>

> Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar 1932-12-19

>

>

> Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06

>

>

> Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28

>

>

> Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar 1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02

>

>

> Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer 1943-12-31

>

>

> Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02

>

>

> Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17

>

>

> Sat 1950-07-23 Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29

>

>

> Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo 1954-08-02

>

>

> Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05

>

>

> Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21

>

>

> Sun 1969-09-20 Moo 1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11

>

>

> Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer 1977-11-02

>

>

> Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15

>

>

> Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09

>

>

> Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer 1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14

>

>

> Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo 2000-02-02

>

>

> Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21

>

>

> I am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand.

More

> details later.

>

> Assignment:

>

> 1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY and one person

with KAY

> and provide comments.

>

> 2. There is yet another version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and

explain

> Sarpa Yoga and recommend remedies for allevation of suffering

associated

> with it with a few examples.

> Best Regards

> Sanjay Rath

> <http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

>

> -

>

> "Vatsal Shah" < <vatsal@v...> vatsal@v...>

>

> < <varahamihira>

varahamihira>

>

> Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30 AM

>

> [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog.

>

>

>

> > Pranam,

> >

> > How you define Kalsarp yog?

> > As far as I know if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is

> > called Kalsarp yog.

> >

> > But here is my question

> > if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th house.

> >

> > now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp.

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Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what

understanding I have on this subject:

1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet

joining, whether it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break

the yoga. However what is important to note is that just because

the yoga is broken in this manner, does not necessarily mean that its

effects will never be felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be

broken ahead of its natural time, and the manner in which this happens is

seen by the planets involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this

nicely on the list just recently.

2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we

should not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature,

the Moon is not krura. Also, remember that in this example

the Moon is Lagnesh, and therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh

is always considered auspicious for the native.

3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it is

known as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and

instead of reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with

Rahu/Ketu, so some other benefic influence is good to have. But

neither Venus or Mercury joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's

chart.

4. No, it does not exist.

5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the

yoga can exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the

same in the Rasi chart.

I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 22:58 05/06/2005, you wrote:

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Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

JAI SRIRAM

Dear Sanjayji,

As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late

Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view

this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in

Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu

(Node).

I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above

definitions of KAY and its broken theory.

1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of

ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6")

then

how it is called as KAY?

2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his

Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural

malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How?

3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics

but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking

creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon?

4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it

is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not?

5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is affetc

or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and essence

of rasi chart?

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

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JAI SRIRAM,

Dear Sami,

 

Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my

first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a

plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same

rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in

Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and

ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not?

 

I think that in the second question malefic is malefic

evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic

In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why

rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that?

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

>

> Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what

understanding

> I have on this subject:

>

> 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet

joining, whether

> it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga.

However

> what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken

in this

> manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be

> felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its

natural

> time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets

> involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list

just

> recently.

>

> 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we

should

> not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the

Moon is

> not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is

Lagnesh, and

> therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered

auspicious

> for the native.

>

> 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it

is known

> as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and

instead of

> reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so

some

> other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or

Mercury

> joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart.

>

> 4. No, it does not exist.

>

> 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the

yoga can

> exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the

same in the

> Rasi chart.

>

> I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

> At 22:58 05/06/2005, you wrote:

>

>__________________

____

> >

> >Message: 16

> > Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:44:35 -0000

> > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk>

> >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

> >

> >JAI SRIRAM

> >Dear Sanjayji,

> >

> > As per your article of KSY/KAY for Late

> >Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view

> >this KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in

> >Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu

> >(Node).

> >

> >I like to ask my doubts regarding your article for the above

> >definitions of KAY and its broken theory.

> >

> >1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside

of

> >ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6")

then

> >how it is called as KAY?

> >

> >2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his

> >Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural

> >malefic.But in this article it is called as benefic moon.How?

> >

> >3.As per your definiton breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics

> >but why venus and mercury should not be mentioned while breaking

> >creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon?

> >

> >4.Even though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it

> >is in rahu/ketu's nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not?

> >

> >5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists then still the native is

affetc

> >or not since navamsa deals with inner self,basic skills and

essence

> >of rasi chart?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >S.Venkatesh.

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Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said

that it does not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node

in terms of degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that

planet will break the yoga.

Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the

person's life, if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However

that planet will ensure that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural

time (42-25 years).

In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the yoga

(Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to an even

lesser degree.

2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic

regardless"? I can only restate the two points I made in this

regard:

a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half, but

this does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or

Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how

strict and disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is

still founded on love.

b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of Lagna

is always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other

lordships become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a

planet cannot be changed, but its functional quality is of great

import. Do you really think that your own Lagna lord would,

regardless of which planet it is, would tighten the noose around your

neck? It will always try to protect you. The manner in which

it does so, we can see from the nature of the planet.

3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have

gathered from the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive

understanding I will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra

lordship is based on Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to

do with it.

I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any mistakes I

have made.

Best wishes,

Samir

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Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

JAI SRIRAM,

Dear Sami,

Thanks

for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my

first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a

plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same

rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in

Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and

ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not?

I

think that in the second question malefic is malefic

evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic

In the

4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why

rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that?

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

>

> Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what

understanding

> I have on this subject:

>

> 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet

joining, whether

> it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the

yoga.

However

> what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken

in this

> manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be

> felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of

its

natural

> time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets

> involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the

list

just

> recently.

>

> 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning,

we

should

> not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature,

the

Moon is

> not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is

Lagnesh, and

> therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always

considered

auspicious

> for the native.

>

> 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so

it

is known

> as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and

instead of

> reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so

some

> other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or

Mercury

> joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart.

>

> 4. No, it does not exist.

>

> 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think

the

yoga can

> exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the

same in the

> Rasi chart.

>

> I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned

members.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>

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JAI SRIRAM,

Dear Sami,

 

1. Please again read my first question that it is

not about breaking of KSY/KAY,it is about in nehru's chart i think

that jupiter is out of the grasp between the nodes since jupiter has

more longitude than ketu.

 

2.From your answer 2.b.It is a good point "the

natural behaviour of a planet cannot be changed, but its functional

quality is of great import".But for malefic is malefic please read

Pt.Sanjay's article "COVA 10th house extracts" in that benefic and

does not become a malefic and viceversa.

 

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

>

> 1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said that

it does

> not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node in

terms of

> degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that planet will

break the

> yoga.

>

> Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the

person's life,

> if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However that planet will

ensure

> that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural time (42-25 years).

>

> In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the

yoga

> (Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to

an even

> lesser degree.

>

> 2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic

regardless"? I can

> only restate the two points I made in this regard:

>

> a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half,

but this

> does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or

> Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how

strict and

> disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is

still

> founded on love.

>

> b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of

Lagna is

> always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other

lordships

> become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a planet

cannot be

> changed, but its functional quality is of great import. Do you

really

> think that your own Lagna lord would, regardless of which planet

it is,

> would tighten the noose around your neck? It will always try to

protect

> you. The manner in which it does so, we can see from the nature

of the

> planet.

>

> 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have

gathered from

> the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive

understanding I

> will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra lordship is

based on

> Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

>

> I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any

mistakes I have

> made.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

> At 21:55 06/06/2005, you wrote:

>

>__________________

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> >

> >Message: 16

> > Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:25:30 -0000

> > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk>

> >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

> >

> >JAI SRIRAM,

> >Dear Sami,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood

my

> >first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if

a

> >plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same

> >rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in

> >Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu

and

> >ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not?

> >

> > I think that in the second question malefic is

malefic

> >evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic

> > In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so

why

> >rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >S.Venkatesh.

> >

> >

> >, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

> >wrote:

> > > || Om Krsna Guru ||

> > >

> > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what

> >

> >understanding

> >

> > > I have on this subject:

> > >

> > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet

> >

> >joining, whether

> >

> > > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the

yoga.

> >

> >However

> >

> > > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is

broken

> >

> >in this

> >

> > > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never

be

> > > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of

its

> >

> >natural

> >

> > > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the

planets

> > > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the

list

> >

> >just

> >

> > > recently.

> > >

> > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning,

we

> >

> >should

> >

> > > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature,

the

> >

> >Moon is

> >

> > > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is

> >

> >Lagnesh, and

> >

> > > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always

considered

> >

> >auspicious

> >

> > > for the native.

> > >

> > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so

it

> >

> >is known

> >

> > > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and

> >

> >instead of

> >

> > > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with

Rahu/Ketu, so

> >

> >some

> >

> > > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or

> >

> >Mercury

> >

> > > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart.

> > >

> > > 4. No, it does not exist.

> > >

> > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think

the

> >

> >yoga can

> >

> > > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the

> >

> >same in the

> >

> > > Rasi chart.

> > >

> > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned

members.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Venkatesh

om sai ram - may the bright light shine on you

 

The last question was left out I think. The atma is in the bondage of the KSY

else how could it have taken birth. Think of the kundalini, the samudra

manthana (churning of ocean)...etc. The navamsa holds the key t break free from

this bondage and this is the Ista devata, the 12th house from AK, the great

escape, the place of permanent sleep for the soul that has never slept for so

many many centuries.

 

When it is tired of all this playing, all this frolicking then it will seek this

sleep - the perfect silence.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

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ksvssvk [ksvssvk ] Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:15 PMTo:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By

Sanjay Rath.

JAI SRIRAMDear Sanjayji, As per your article of KSY/KAY

for Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru has Kala Amrita Yoga.From your point of view this

KAY is broken by (1) Natural benefic and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also

the Atmakaraka and (2) Jupiter conjoins Ketu (Node). I like to ask my doubts

regarding your article for the above definitions of KAY and its broken

theory.1.Even though Jpiter and Ketu is in same rasi,Jupiter is outside of

ketu(JU is in 15 Sg 10' 55.09" but ketu is in 12 Sg 43' 36.6") then how it is

called as KAY?2.Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru was born on krishna paksa so that his

Moon is called waning Moon.If it is waning then it becomes natural malefic.But

in this article it is called as benefic moon.How?3.As per your definiton

breaking of KSY or KAY by natural benefics but why venus and mercury should not

be mentioned while breaking creates a yoga as like jupiter and moon?4.Even

though one or more planet is outside of rahu and ketu,if it is in rahu/ketu's

nakshatra then still KSY/KAY exists or not?5.In Navamsa if this KAY/KSY exists

then still the native is affetc or not since navamsa deals with inner

self,basic skills and essence of rasi chart?Thanks,S.Venkatesh. --- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote:> _____ > >

Sanjay Rath [srath@v...] > 29 November 2001 08:35> To:

varahamihira> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Kalsarp yog - A

lesson> > > > > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH> Dear Vatsal,> > > Lesson on Kala Sarpa

& Amrita Yoga> > > Definition> > > Definition of Kalasarpa yoga: "Agre Rahu

Adhou Ketu, Sarva Madhya Graha"> gives the definition of the Yoga. Place your

finger on the Ketu and then> move the finger in the zodiacal direction of the

rasi's till you reach Rahu.> If all the planets are in this half or signs, then

Kala sarpa Yoga is> generated. > > Results: It brings immence suffering till the

native crosses the natural age> of the nodes. In the case of KSY this is 45

years. Suffering can make a> person a devil or a saint. In the case of kala

Sarpa yoga, a person becomes> the evil one and then the criminal tendencies and

destructive nature comes> to the fore.> > Remedy: Worship of Durga in Her form

of Chandi as per the sloka "Kaloh> Chandi Vinayaka".> > > > Definition of Kala

Amrita Yoga (KAY): Kala Amrita yoga is the exact opposite> of Kala Sarpa yoga

and is based on "Agre Ketu Adhou Rahu Sarve madhya Graha"> wherein Ketu is in

the lead instead of Rahu. Place your finger on the Rahu> and then move the

finger in the zodiacal direction of the rasi's till you> reach Ketu. If all the

planets are in this half or signs, then Kala Amrita> Yoga is generated. > >

Results: It brings immence suffering till the native crosses the natural age>

of the nodes. In the case of KAY this is 43 years. Suffering can make a> person

a devil or a saint. In the case of kala Amrita yoga, a person becomes> the kind

or spiritual and then the spiritual directions and non-attachment> nature is

revealed.> > Remedy: Worship of Ganesha in His form of Vinayaka as per the

sloka "Kaloh> Chandi Vinayaka".> > > > > Break of KSY & KAY> > > If Kala Sarpa

yoga breaks then the planets help the native to end the> suffering and the

destructive nature and criminal tendencies end bringing> about a

transformation. This can happen in real life with the association of> a saint

or a Guru. Real life examples are those of (a) Angulimala and Buddha> deva and

(b) Valmiki. I will advise you to read these episodes and> understand the life

directions.> > > > If kala Amrita Yoga is broken then the native does not

renounce the life and> instead, shall continue in this life getting many fruits

and benefits of> luxury, power etc depending on the nature of the planets

breaking the Yoga.> > > > The Kala Sarpa or Amrita Yoga can be broken under

the following> circumstances:> > (1) A natural benefic planet joins the first

or seventh house (These are the> Satya Peetha or the places from where we learn

about the real truth).> > (2) A natural benefic planet conjoins the nodes.

Natural malefic planets> conjoining the nodes does break the KSY & KAY also but

then there is no> benefit of luxury, wealth or power etc.> > > > Let us examine

a few charts to understand this:> > Chart-1:Nehru, Jawaharlal> > Comments: Place

your finger on the Rahu (Gemini) and then move the finger in> the zodiacal

direction (Cancer, Leo etc) of the rasi's till you reach Ketu> (Sagittarius).

Since all the planets are in this half or signs, Kala Amrita> Yoga is

generated. It indicates the birth of a saintly person and his> daughter (Indira

Gandhi) did consider him so although his opponents had a> lot to say otherwise.

> > > > The KAY indicates tremendous suffering and is broken by (1) Natural

benefic> and Lagna Lord Moon in Lagna as it is also the Atmakaraka and (2)

Jupiter> conjoins Ketu (Node). > > > > The Yoga generated by (1) breaking of

KSY or KAY by the Moon is called> MAHA-SANKHA YOGA. Sankha indicates the

begining or birth of something. He> was tthe first Prime Minister of

independant India and in the chart of> Independant India, we find this Kala

Amrita Yoga also being present. Is this> just a coincidence? Further, it

indicates birth in an aristrocratic family> with all the paraphernalia of

wealth but that would dwindle with time and> many hardships including jail

terms had to be endured in their struggle for> the freedom of India.> > > >

The Yoga generated by (2) breaking of KSY or KAY by Jupiter is called>

MAHA-PADMA YOGA. Padma is the lotus indicating the rise of wealth, food,>

children and all that is good and representing God. Unfortunately this is in>

the sixth house.> > November 14, 1889> > > Time:

23:21:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Longitude: 81 E 52'

00"> > > Latitude: 25 N 28' 00"> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> Lunar Year:

Virodhi> > > Lunar Month: Karthika> > > Tithi: Krishna Sapthami

(52.29% left)> > > Weekday: Friday> > > Nakshatra: Aasresha (89.96%

left)> > > Yoga: Sukla> > > Karana: Vishti> > > Hora Lord:

Saturn> Sunrise: 6:21:59> > > Sunset: 17:11:44> > > Janma Ghatis:

42.4592> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

ChKarak> Lagna 26 Cn 20' 31.60" Aasresha 3 Cn Aq -> > >

Sun 0 Sc 16' 47.70" Visakha 4 Sc Cn DK> > > Moon

18 Cn 00' 17.17" Aasresha 1 Cn Sg AK> > > Mars 9

Vi 59' 34.17" U.Pha. 4 Vi Pi PK> > > Mercury 17 Li 09'

55.67" Swathi 4 Li Pi BK> > > Jupiter 15 Sg 10' 55.09"

Poo.Shaa. 1 Sg Le MK> > > Venus 7 Li 22' 40.47" Swathi

1 Li Sg GK> > > Saturn 10 Le 47' 49.17" Makha 4

Le Cn PiK> > > Rahu 12 Ge 43' 36.60" Aardra 2 Ge Cp

AmK> > > Ketu 12 Sg 43' 36.60" Moola 4 Sg Cn ->

> > Bhava Lagna 14 Cn 19' 19.11" Pushyami 4 Cn Sc -> > > Hora

Lagna 29 Pi 04' 38.20" Revathi 4 Pi Pi -> > > Ghati Lagna

13 Ta 20' 35.48" Rohini 2 Ta Ta -> > > Vighati Lagna 24 Sg 40'

21.87" Poo.Shaa. 4 Sg Sc -> > > Pranapada Lagna 25 Le 23' 09.55"

Poo.Pha. 4 Le Sc -> > > Rasi

> > > +--------------+> > > | \ Mnd

Glk / \ / |> > > | \ Sat / \

Rah / |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > |

\ / Moo \ / |> > > | \ /

\ / |> > > |Mar x Asc x GL |> > > |

/ \ / \ |> > > | / \

/ \ |> > > | / \ / \ |> >

> | / Ven \ 4 / \ |> > > | /

\ / \ |> > > | Mer x AL

|> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \

/ \ / |> > > | \ / \ /

|> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \

/ \ / |> > > |Sun x x

HL |> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | /

\ / \ |> > > | / \ /

\ |> > > | / Jup \ / \ |> > > | /

Ket \ / \ |> > >

+--------------+> > > > > >

Navamsa > > >

+--------------+> > > | \ Mer HL /

\ / |> > > | \ Mar / \ Rah / |>

> > | \ / \ / |> > > | \ /

\ / |> > > | \ / \ / AL

|> > > |Glk x Asc x Ven Moo |> > > | / \

/ \ |> > > | / \ / \

|> > > | / \ / \ |> > > | /

\ 11 / \ |> > > | / \ /

\ |> > > | GL x |> > > | \

/ \ / |> > > | \ / \

/ |> > > | \ / \ / |> > > | \

/ \ / |> > > | \ / \

/ |> > > | x Jup x |> > > |

/ \ / \ |> > > | / \

/ \ |> > > | / Mnd \ / \ |> > > |

/ Sun \ / \ |> > > | / Sat Ket \ /

\ |> > > +--------------+> >

> > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):> Mer Mer 1888-02-27 Ket

1890-07-28 Ven 1891-07-25 > > > Sun 1894-05-23 Moo 1895-03-29 Mar

1896-08-31 > > > Rah 1897-08-28 Jup 1900-03-14 Sat 1902-06-22 > > >

Ket Ket 1905-02-28 Ven 1905-07-29 Sun 1906-09-29 > > > Moo 1907-02-01

Mar 1907-09-05 Rah 1908-01-30 > > > Jup 1909-02-16 Sat 1910-01-23 Mer

1911-03-03 > > > Ven Ven 1912-02-28 Sun 1915-07-01 Moo 1916-07-01 > > >

Mar 1918-02-28 Rah 1919-04-30 Jup 1922-04-30 > > > Sat 1924-12-31 Mer

1928-02-28 Ket 1930-12-31 > > > Sun Sun 1932-02-29 Moo 1932-06-18 Mar

1932-12-19 > > > Rah 1933-04-23 Jup 1934-03-18 Sat 1935-01-06 > > >

Mer 1935-12-20 Ket 1936-10-26 Ven 1937-02-28 > > > Moo Moo 1938-02-28 Mar

1938-12-31 Rah 1939-08-02 > > > Jup 1941-01-29 Sat 1942-05-31 Mer

1943-12-31 > > > Ket 1945-05-31 Ven 1945-12-31 Sun 1947-09-02 > > >

Mar Mar 1948-02-29 Rah 1948-07-29 Jup 1949-08-17 > > > Sat 1950-07-23

Mer 1951-09-02 Ket 1952-08-29 > > > Ven 1953-01-23 Sun 1954-03-24 Moo

1954-08-02 > > > Rah Rah 1955-02-28 Jup 1957-11-14 Sat 1960-04-05 > > >

Mer 1963-02-11 Ket 1965-09-02 Ven 1966-09-21 > > > Sun 1969-09-20 Moo

1970-08-14 Mar 1972-02-11 > > > Jup Jup 1973-02-28 Sat 1975-04-18 Mer

1977-11-02 > > > Ket 1980-02-05 Ven 1981-01-12 Sun 1983-09-15 > > >

Moo 1984-07-01 Mar 1985-11-02 Rah 1986-10-09 > > > Sat Sat 1989-02-28 Mer

1992-03-03 Ket 1994-11-14 > > > Ven 1995-12-23 Sun 1999-02-20 Moo

2000-02-02 > > > Mar 2001-09-05 Rah 2001-10-15 Jup 2005-08-21 > > > I

am finishing this lesson here as I am have some tasks at hand. More> details

later.> > Assignment: > > 1. Study the chart of at least one person with KSY

and one person with KAY> and provide comments.> > 2. There is yet another

version of this as SARPA YOGA. Define and explain> Sarpa Yoga and recommend

remedies for allevation of suffering associated> with it with a few examples.>

Best Regards> Sanjay Rath> <http://sanjayrath.tripod.com>

http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> > - > > "Vatsal

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if all the planets are in between Rahu-ketu is > > called Kalsarp yog.> > > >

But here is my question> > if rahu is in Lagna(1st house) & ketu is in 7th

house.> > > > now if all the planets are in between8-12th house is it Kalsarp.>

> or only if all the palnets are in between 2-6th house is called > > Kalsarp.>

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Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

It seems we are going round in circles now. I have already stated

what I have learnt about planets joining the nodes in KAY/KSY.

Their longitude does not matter. If you read Sanjayjis article, you

will see that Nehru did suffer the effects of the yoga until it

was broken, and India gained independence and he became PM. So this

again answers your question.

I recommend reading the whole of COVA, not just the sample chapter, as

this will facilitate a greater understanding. The book is sprinkled

generously with guidelines and tips - many of which I have yet to

uncover.

Best wishes,

Samir

At 23:41 07/06/2005, you wrote:

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"ksvssvk" <ksvssvk >

Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

JAI SRIRAM,

Dear Sami,

1. Please again read my first question that it is

not about breaking of KSY/KAY,it is about in nehru's chart i think

that jupiter is out of the grasp between the nodes since jupiter has

more longitude than ketu.

2.From your answer 2.b.It is a good point "the

natural behaviour of a planet cannot be changed, but its functional

quality is of great import".But for malefic is malefic please read

Pt.Sanjay's article "COVA 10th house extracts" in that benefic

and

does not become a malefic and viceversa.

Thanks,

S.Venkatesh.

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Dear Sanjayji, Pranaam!

Thank you very much for your guidance. I shall endeavour to engage

the practical aspect of things as well as the theoretical in

future. It is by the grace of you and the SJC that I am learning at

all.

Pranaam,

Samir

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RE: Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Samir

Excellent - crystal clear.

 

I think your points are technically clear but they need explaining as to

how

it works in real life - the self breaking the yoga when benefic is

in

lagna/7th and someone from outside breaking it/helping when the nodes

are

conjoined. Without Gandhi where would Nehru be? Do you think he could

have

been the first PM of India? That is why I say that Jupiter actually

breaks

the KAY in the chart of Nehru. He was very able due to the Moon but

not

capable of breaking the KAY and getting out of the strangle hold of

the

colonial powers.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Om Ganeshay Namah

Shree Gurave Namah

Dear Venkatesh ji, Samir and friends,

Namaste.

I share my understanding as under -

 

***Venkatesh:

It is about if a plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though

it is in same rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means

here in Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN

rahu and ketu.

****

HM: Please note that the direction of motion of Ketu/Rahu is retro.

Thus actually KETU at 12 deg has already eclipsed the Ju at 15deg.

Well, however, in KSY/KAY, mere conjunction of a planet itself beaks

the yoga, be it malefic or benefic, with reslts as described by Guru

Sanjay ji. This is my experience too. Further, within an 8 degree arc

of RAHU/KETU the break is effected potently, and even in the same

bhava existence of another planet breaks KSY/KAY. That is precisely

what Samir said in a few words.

 

*********SAMIR> 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what

I have gathered from the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more

comprehensive understanding I will rely on their word.

*********

HM:

1. Mercury is gullible and adaptable. It is soumya alright, but

immatue and can work as a benefic only under guidance of an adult

benefic; so ltimately it is that benefic which holds the key. Alone

with RAHU/KETU, it is guided by them, so beak in KAY/KAY does occur,

but akin to break by a malefic in results.

 

2. Venus is Shukracharya, the Rakshasa guru and intent on indulgence.

True, it shall also break the yoga, but with intentions of indulgence

it neither delivers spiritual 'growth' nor physical 'satisfaction',

true to its nature, always craving for more.

***********************************************

 

I have seen many charts with KSY/KAY and according to my opinion based

on experience, the write up by guru Sanjay ji and Samir's comments on

it suffice. It is for one to undestand and practise to improve

undestanding.

 

The following peculiarities, learnt over years are however worth sharing:

 

a. KSY/KAY runs in family, in particular in direct descendents of the

1st or 2nd generation. It shows up unmistakably in charts of

children/grandchildren. In some cases it may manifest as not full yoga

but as Sarpa Yoga or a broken KSY/KAY, which is according to karma of

that individual.

 

b. If the charts of children born after propitiation for mother/father

do not show this yoga, the remedy can be accepted as successul. Even

otherwise, some charts of progeny may not show KSY/KAY and then it

should be treated to have been broken on its own.

 

c. More often than not, it causes illicit relations or un-natural sex

tendencies or both.

 

d. Rahu Kavacham obtained by 72000 rahu-mantra japa with anushthana

and bhirava pujana also protects one's interests by shielding against

Rahu/Ketu's ill effects by praying to Rahu. However, I do not consider

it to be a satwik remedy, do not normally recommend it and only guru

Sanjay ji can comment on this further with his tantra experience.

 

I would like to clarify that I mention this remedy so that one

un-knowingly does not prescribe this remedy with Chandi-Pujan and

japam, becase both can not wok together and shall be disastrous. Shri

Duga upasana only is recommended.

 

Om Shri Krishnapanamastu.

Radhekrishna!

Himanshu Mohan

 

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

>

> 1. Kindly re-read my reply to your first question. I said that it

does

> not matter whether a planet is ahead or behind either node in terms of

> degrees. So long as they are in the same Rasi, that planet will

break the

> yoga.

>

> Now, the KAY/KSY will still manifest for some period in the person's

life,

> if only one planet is breaking the yoga. However that planet will

ensure

> that the yoga is broken ahead of it's natural time (42-25 years).

>

> In the case of Nehru, he had more than one planet breaking the yoga

> (Jupiter and the Moon), so what effect it had would have been to an

even

> lesser degree.

>

> 2. Where do you get this idea of "malefic is malefic regardless"?

I can

> only restate the two points I made in this regard:

>

> a. The Moon does become slightly malefic when in the dark half, but

this

> does not by any means make it nearly as malefic as Mars, Saturn or

> Rahu. It is still, by nature, a soumya planet. No matter how

strict and

> disciplinarian a mother is, the relationship with her child is still

> founded on love.

>

> b. Maharishi Parasara tells us specifically that the lord of Lagna is

> always auspicious for the native. He also tells us which other

lordships

> become auspicious. Granted, the natural behaviour of a planet

cannot be

> changed, but its functional quality is of great import. Do you really

> think that your own Lagna lord would, regardless of which planet it is,

> would tighten the noose around your neck? It will always try to

protect

> you. The manner in which it does so, we can see from the nature of the

> planet.

>

> 3. I do not know why this is the case. This is what I have

gathered from

> the learned Gurus, and until I achieve more comprehensive

understanding I

> will rely on their word. Remember that nakshatra lordship is based on

> Vimsottari dasa. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

>

> I ask that the learned members and Gurus kindly correct any mistakes

I have

> made.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

> At 21:55 06/06/2005, you wrote:

>

>______________________

> >

> >Message: 16

> > Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:25:30 -0000

> > "ksvssvk" <ksvssvk>

> >Re: Kalsarpa yoga, By Sanjay Rath.

> >

> >JAI SRIRAM,

> >Dear Sami,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.I think you had misunderstood my

> >first question.It is not about breaking of KAY/KSY.It is about if a

> >plant is behind rahu/ketu by longitudes(even though it is in same

> >rasi) then i think it is outside of rahu/ketu.That means here in

> >Late Pt.Jawaharlal Nehru's chart jupiter is NOT IN BETWEEN rahu and

> >ketu.Hence in this case still KAY/KSY is exists or not?

> >

> > I think that in the second question malefic is malefic

> >evn though it is lagna lord,AK etc and it is not become benefic

> > In the 4th question nakshatra is called as jeeva so why

> >rahu/ketu's nakshatra is not taken if any planet in that?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >S.Venkatesh.

> >

> >

> >, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

> >wrote:

> > > || Om Krsna Guru ||

> > >

> > > Dear S Venkatesh, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Let me have a go at answering some of your doubts, with what

> >

> >understanding

> >

> > > I have on this subject:

> > >

> > > 1. With KAY/KSY we don't worry about degrees. Any planet

> >

> >joining, whether

> >

> > > it be ahead or behind the node in question, will break the yoga.

> >

> >However

> >

> > > what is important to note is that just because the yoga is broken

> >

> >in this

> >

> > > manner, does not necessarily mean that its effects will never be

> > > felt. Instead it shows that the yoga will be broken ahead of its

> >

> >natural

> >

> > > time, and the manner in which this happens is seen by the planets

> > > involved. Michal Dziwulski has explained this nicely on the list

> >

> >just

> >

> > > recently.

> > >

> > > 2. When it is said that the Moon becomes malefic when waning, we

> >

> >should

> >

> > > not take this to mean it becomes a total malefic. By nature, the

> >

> >Moon is

> >

> > > not krura. Also, remember that in this example the Moon is

> >

> >Lagnesh, and

> >

> > > therefore is functionally benefic. Lagnesh is always considered

> >

> >auspicious

> >

> > > for the native.

> > >

> > > 3. Venus is capable of breaking this yoga - and if it does so it

> >

> >is known

> >

> > > as Padma yoga. Mercury less so - because it is malleable and

> >

> >instead of

> >

> > > reforming, it can start to behave in accordance with Rahu/Ketu, so

> >

> >some

> >

> > > other benefic influence is good to have. But neither Venus or

> >

> >Mercury

> >

> > > joins the nodes or the 1/7th houses in Nehru's chart.

> > >

> > > 4. No, it does not exist.

> > >

> > > 5. Navamsa deals with dharma and relationships. Yes, I think the

> >

> >yoga can

> >

> > > exist there, but the effects will be limited as compared to the

> >

> >same in the

> >

> > > Rasi chart.

> > >

> > > I humbly ask that my errors be corrected by the learned members.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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