2-All re.... Jupiter & Saturn are the 2 Moksha Planets....> Mark Kincaid 4/24 Moksha

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Jai Jinendra Mark,

 

I accept,planets are mirror of our ohysical existense,

But not our sub-concious or soul existense.don't tell

me Sun represents our very soul.no it doesn't in

reality.I represents a 5 tattawas that is soul is

bounded with in a form of soul.

 

What Mahavira and there Gandhar has said about

transcedental exp in one's Life.

Moksha is when 3 things stops in Life.

1)Vachha,you stop speaking,seeing etc etc.

2)Mind stops thinking.

3)Blood folw through streams stops,body is hard rock.

 

so what exist is soul.If you can do that a a very

existense of your's than,you have achieved Moksha.

 

As who has got that he knows everthing,but nothing to

do with anything.It is called Moksha,were

physical,mental everything doesn't exist.

 

Does any planet represents such a phase or combination

to get that.even if you will take all planets exalted

or any combination,You will never get such a

stage.Because they are also bounded with Karmas and

thet also want to same what Mahavira,Gautam or crores

that have gone Moksha.

 

As they have nothig to do with us,But we hav got

everthing to do with them and not anyone else,our

existense is to be like them,But it is our own karmas

which divert us form that path.

 

So going against our Karmas is going against time or

planets.

 

So I disagree jupiter and Saturn are two Moksha

planets,as they also want Moksha and free from duties

that they are doing.But yes they may denote a path to

achieve that,rather actually that.

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear All:

>

> Don't forget that it's through the relative that we

> get to the

> transcendental.

>

> Having meditated, myself for over 30 years now, I

> can attest to the fact,

> that one goes,

> to the 'transcendental', 'moksha' realm, through the

> relative.

>

> But, you're right there is a trick to it. The key,

> in meditation, is in

> lessening mental activity.

>

> The mind as it turns inwards, doesn't get to the

> no-thought state by having

> thoughts, or trying or doing anything.

>

> The key is to do less and less.

>

> This is why Saturn is thought to be the planet of

> transcendence, because it

> 'contracts', and as 'it' gets smaller and smaller,

> then evenutually the

> transcendental is reached.

>

> Jupiter on the other hand 'expands' to the Self.

>

> You'll have these two classic experiences in

> meditation, at different times.

>

> Sometimes, you'll feel like you're expanding, and

> getting bigger and bigger,

> till, whoosh, you go off, you forget where you

> are,....and then poppinig

> back into the relative, you've realized,... you

> didn't fall asleep, and you

> went somewhere.

>

> Other times, you'll feel that quality of getting

> smaller and smaller, though

> I have to say, it's not a feeling of becoming less

> and less, it's just this

> since, of getting more and more,.... to a point of

> stillness, and then,

> again, boom, you're gone, not experiencing anything

> anymore, .....

> and then later you come back.

>

> You do this activity long enough and regularly

> enough, and eventually,

> whenever you close your eyes, or whenever you're

> asleep, or whenever, even

> in activity,... you're 'there' in that,... formerly

> 'transcendental' realm.

>

> Then, you've unfolded true moksha or enlightenment.

>

> It's a very exciting field today, because this whole

> science and art of

> transcending has been revised, and is now know to be

> the simpliest, easiest,

> most natural thing one can do.

>

> See, the ability to do less, is contained in the

> ability to do more.

>

> The ability to stand still, is, contained in the

> ability to walk.

>

> Therefore, the ability to 'be', with the Self, is

> already there within us.

>

> We just have to turn within, and learning how, is

> the delicious art of

> meditating.

>

> If the mind and consciousness can do it, then there

> must be some

> Astrological planets that coincide with moksha and

> liberation.

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> "natalcharts_biz" <natalcharts_biz

>

> Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:48:41 -0000

>

> Re:8th lord from Saturn -> Partha garu

> :-)) realised--Moksha

>

>

>

> Sri Inderji

> I fully confer with you on the thought that the

> grahas (seizers)

> cannot be moksha karakas. They are themselves within

> the parameters of

> space time and causation.

>

> To verify, Veda is a pramana. Jeevan muktas make

> Moksha verifiable.

> Bhagwan Ramana Maharishi, Sri Ramakrishna

> Paramhansa, Swami Rama

> Tirtha and countless others verify it.

>

> Moksha is not something to be achieved but to be

> realized: I am what I

> am without respect to time space and causation. It

> is realization of

> the Mahavakya : Aham Brahma Asmi.

>

> Therefore, I only wish to differ you on the non

> verifiable portion of

> your argument.

>

> Hari Om Tat Sat

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > Namaskar everybody,

> > In my opinion in the state of Moksha

> charts/horoscopes are not valid.

> > All planets, house, lagnas etc merge to zero.

> >

> > Horoscope is for a birth on this earth. Your life,

> achievements,

> > sorrows, happiness ---all verifyable.

> > Concept of Moksha is not verifyable. In other

> religions concept of

> > Moksha is not applicable. They believe in other

> type of treatments

> > after death, which also is not verifyable.

> > So astro chart may be used for living in this

> life.

> > Inder

> >

> >

> > -- In , Shripal

> <d_shripal>

> > wrote:

> > > Jai Jinendra,

> > >

> > > It is very much common sense,As planets are also

> > > bounded with Karmas, as they have to fulfill a

> desire

> > > of one's as per there karmas and act,so very

> simple

> > > they are not God,But yes they are superior to us

> and

> > > very high category devatas.

> > >

> > > AS per my studies,A GOd is one who has nothing

> to do

> > > with us and out of boundage of any Karmas and

> with

> > > whom we have got everything to do.Very simple if

> I or

> > > you go moksha,why the hell you have got anything

> to do

> > > with me.

> > >

> > > It matters only when I am superior to you or

> inferior

> > > to you and turn the things around in order to

> feel

> > > great.

> > >

> > > So I accept as Buddha,Mahavira and other

> tirthankaras

> > > out of boundage and various crores who have

> become

> > > sidhas and got nothing to do with us and put

> there

> > > paths towards that to follow are God or in

> Moksha.Else

> > > who ever is dealing with sansar or anything in

> this

> > > world concious or sub-concious,material etc etc

> are

> > > superior to us,as there punyas are highe than

> our's

> > > ,But they too are striving for moksha and one

> more

> > > thing there age might be lakh or 10 lakh

> years,as

> > > world started billion,billion year ago.But there

> end

> > > will also come and get a gati as per there

> Karmas.

> > >

> > > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shripal

> > > > How do you know? Have you got salvation?

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Shripal <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Jinendra,

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think from one's chart anyone can

> > > > determine

> > > > > that individual is going to go

> Moksha.Because it

> > > > is

> > > > > more for a free will rather than boundage

> effect

> > > > of

> > > > > planets.It is against them and not with help

> of

> > > > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Planets shows karma and nullifying Karmas

> means

> > > > going

> > > > > against them and it is more of strong free

> will

> > > > than

> > > > > anything else.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > > I just realised what about those poor

> fellows

> > > > who

> > > > > > have Saturn in gemini and

> > > > > > Cancer!!

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > > > No, i am not aware of such a dictum. I

> have

> > > > not

> > > > > > read in classics also.

> > > > > > > Best of luck for such people who have

> this,

> > > > > > atleast this will make them

> > > > > > > feel happy :-))))

> > > > > > > Do you seriously think that Moksha is a

> laddu

> > > > to

> > > > > > be eaten or some prize to

> > > > > > > be won, or the end of all??

> > > > > > > I am deviating, sorry.

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak

> > > > <vedic_pathak>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Partha Garu & all others,

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sutra --> If the 8th house from Saturn

> is

> > > > > > Occupied by it's Own lord,

> > > > > > > > there is NO Rebirth and Final

> Salvation is

> > > > > > shown.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are you aware of such dictum?

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