Re:8th lord from Saturn -&gt; Partha garu :-)) realised--Moksha

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> All that we are is the result of what we have

> thought. If a man speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a

> man speaks or acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow

> that never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

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> Hyderabad

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Love is the beauty of the soul

April 23, 2005

Jai Jinendra,

It is very much common sense,As planets are also

bounded with Karmas, as they have to fulfill a desire

of one's as per there karmas and act,so very simple

they are not God,But yes they are superior to us and

very high category devatas.

AS per my studies,A GOd is one who has nothing to do

with us and out of boundage of any Karmas and with

whom we have got everything to do.Very simple if I or

you go moksha,why the hell you have got anything to do

with me.

It matters only when I am superior to you or inferior

to you and turn the things around in order to feel

great.

So I accept as Buddha,Mahavira and other tirthankaras

out of boundage and various crores who have become

sidhas and got nothing to do with us and put there

paths towards that to follow are God or in Moksha.Else

who ever is dealing with sansar or anything in this

world concious or sub-concious,material etc etc are

superior to us,as there punyas are highe than our's

,But they too are striving for moksha and one more

thing there age might be lakh or 10 lakh years,as

world started billion,billion year ago.But there end

will also come and get a gati as per there Karmas.

--- Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> Dear Shripal

> How do you know? Have you got salvation?

> best wishes

> partha

>

> On 4/23/05, Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

> >

> > Jai Jinendra,

> >

> > I don't think from one's chart anyone can

> determine

> > that individual is going to go Moksha.Because it

> is

> > more for a free will rather than boundage effect

> of

> > planets.It is against them and not with help of

> them.

> >

> > Planets shows karma and nullifying Karmas means

> going

> > against them and it is more of strong free will

> than

> > anything else.

> >

> > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Utpal

> > > I just realised what about those poor fellows

> who

> > > have Saturn in gemini and

> > > Cancer!!

> > > best wishes

> > > partha

> > >

> > > On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > No, i am not aware of such a dictum. I have

> not

> > > read in classics also.

> > > > Best of luck for such people who have this,

> > > atleast this will make them

> > > > feel happy :-))))

> > > > Do you seriously think that Moksha is a laddu

> to

> > > be eaten or some prize to

> > > > be won, or the end of all??

> > > > I am deviating, sorry.

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak

> <vedic_pathak

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Partha Garu & all others,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just now came to know an intresting

> 'Sutra'

> > > from an Reputed Jyotish

> > > > > magazine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sutra --> If the 8th house from Saturn is

> > > Occupied by it's Own lord,

> > > > > there is NO Rebirth and Final Salvation is

> > > shown.

> > > > >

> > > > > are you aware of such dictum?

> > > > >

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> > > > All that we are is the result of what we have

> > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him.

> If a

> > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a

> shadow

> > > that never leaves him.

> > > > -----Buddha

> > > >

> > > > Plot.no.71

> > > > Road No.3

> > > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > > Hyderabad

> > > > India-500 082

> > >

> > > --

> > > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > > partvinu.blogspot.com

> <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> <

> > http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

> > >

> > > All that we are is the result of what we have

> > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If

> a

> > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a

> shadow

> > > that never leaves him.

> > > -----Buddha

> > >

> > > Plot.no.71

> > > Road No.3

> > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > Hyderabad

> > > India-500 082

> > >

> >

> > Love is the beauty of the soul

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> --

> V.Partha Sarathy,

> partvinu.blogspot.com <http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

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> All that we are is the result of what we have

> thought. If a man speaks or

> acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a

> man speaks or acts with a

> pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow

> that never leaves him.

> -----Buddha

>

> Plot.no.71

> Road No.3

> Nagarjuna Hills

> Hyderabad

> India-500 082

>

Love is the beauty of the soul

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April 23, 2005

Jai Jinendra Utpal,

Things has been mis-interpreted,what you are showing

doesn't determine moksha,it determines path towards

Moksha, that is vairagi,sanyasi or yogi or who is

ready to fight againsts Karma with a smile on a face

or who wants to be out of this,But cannot really say

he will go Moksha,No one can.

Don't be in mis-conception about it.there is no short

cut to Moksha,other than nullifying your Karmas.

--- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Dera Sripal Jai jinendra,

>

> if 'moksha' or 'final emanicipation' can not be seen

> from the chart

> then why to see ketu's position etc.. from karkamsha

> and what is the

> advantage, seers horoscope will offer to an

> astrology student.

>

> pathak

>

> vedic astrology, Partha

> Sarathy

> <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > Dear Shripal

> > How do you know? Have you got salvation?

> > best wishes

> > partha

> >

> > On 4/23/05, Shripal <d_shripal> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jai Jinendra,

> > >

> > > I don't think from one's chart anyone can

> determine

> > > that individual is going to go Moksha.Because it

> is

> > > more for a free will rather than boundage effect

> of

> > > planets.It is against them and not with help of

> them.

> > >

> > > Planets shows karma and nullifying Karmas means

> going

> > > against them and it is more of strong free will

> than

> > > anything else.

> > >

> > > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > I just realised what about those poor fellows

> who

> > > > have Saturn in gemini and

> > > > Cancer!!

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > No, i am not aware of such a dictum. I have

> not

> > > > read in classics also.

> > > > > Best of luck for such people who have this,

> > > > atleast this will make them

> > > > > feel happy :-))))

> > > > > Do you seriously think that Moksha is a

> laddu to

> > > > be eaten or some prize to

> > > > > be won, or the end of all??

> > > > > I am deviating, sorry.

> > > > > best wishes

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Partha Garu & all others,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just now came to know an intresting

> 'Sutra'

> > > > from an Reputed Jyotish

> > > > > > magazine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sutra --> If the 8th house from Saturn is

> > > > Occupied by it's Own lord,

> > > > > > there is NO Rebirth and Final Salvation is

> > > > shown.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > are you aware of such dictum?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pathak

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------

> Sponsor

> > > > --------------------~-->

> > > > > > Has someone you know been affected by

> illness or

> > > > disease?

> > > > > > Network for Good is THE place to support

> health

> > > > awareness efforts!

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

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> > > > > > Archives:

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to

> > > > vedic astrology-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us

> .......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > > ||

> > > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com

> > > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com/>

> > > > >

> > > > > All that we are is the result of what we

> have

> > > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him.

> If a

> > > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a

> shadow

> > > > that never leaves him.

> > > > > -----Buddha

> > > > >

> > > > > Plot.no.71

> > > > > Road No.3

> > > > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > > > Hyderabad

> > > > > India-500 082

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > > > partvinu.blogspot.com

> <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> <

> > > http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

> > > >

> > > > All that we are is the result of what we have

> > > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him.

> If a

> > > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a

> shadow

> > > > that never leaves him.

> > > > -----Buddha

> > > >

> > > > Plot.no.71

> > > > Road No.3

> > > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > > Hyderabad

> > > > India-500 082

> > > >

> > >

> > > Love is the beauty of the soul

> > >

> > > Small Business - Try our new resources

> site!

> > >

> > > Archives:

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> > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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> > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu

> ||

> > > Links

> > >

> >

> > --

> > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > partvinu.blogspot.com

> >

> > All that we are is the result of what we have

> thought. If a man

> speaks or

> > acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a

> man speaks or

> acts with a

> > pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow

> that never

> leaves him.

> > -----Buddha

> >

> > Plot.no.71

> > Road No.3

> > Nagarjuna Hills

> > Hyderabad

> > India-500 082

>

Love is the beauty of the soul

April 23, 2005

Jai Jinendra,

1)Karaka doesn't means that I am Keu,as venus is

Karaka for various things,But even exalted Venus is

not really Venus isn't it.Understood.

So Ketu is Karaka for being yogi,sanyasi,towards

salvation or Moksha,and that implies to everyone of us

and in everyone's chart.

As you said gati towards moksha will finally

realised.that implies to each and evry living thing in

this world.Isn't it.So ultimatum is not deterministic.

than if that final birht has come,than they know,why

to beat around bushes.It is better to realise and

follow them than to nanalyse.I don't believe I am

saying these lines.

--- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Dear Shripal,

>

> do you agree that 'Gati towards Moksha' will

> ultimately be realised

> in one final Birth? if The Horoscope of that final

> birth is

> available, then will it not give some insight..

>

> for example, I have a conviction that Thakur Sri

> Ramkrishna, Sant

> Tukaram, Narsimha Mehta, Mira bai, Mahavir swami and

> many saints from

> different sects and religion, known & unknown would

> have got Moksha

> in their said birth (last birth) as they have

> realised the supreme in

> the same birth. they may have been in that path from

> many previous

> birth, but the point is they have realised the god

> in the above said

> incarnation.

>

> so one can definately study, spiritual aspect which

> leads to moksha,

> from their chart. the 'common sense' portion is not

> clear. Ketu is a

> Karka for Moksha that is the only 'common sense'

> required.

>

> utpal

> vedic astrology, Shripal

> <d_shripal>

> wrote:

> > Jai Jinendra Utpal,

> >

> > Things has been mis-interpreted,what you are

> showing

> > doesn't determine moksha,it determines path

> towards

> > Moksha, that is vairagi,sanyasi or yogi or who is

> > ready to fight againsts Karma with a smile on a

> face

> > or who wants to be out of this,But cannot really

> say

> > he will go Moksha,No one can.

> >

> > Don't be in mis-conception about it.there is no

> short

> > cut to Moksha,other than nullifying your Karmas.

> >

> > --- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dera Sripal Jai jinendra,

> > >

> > > if 'moksha' or 'final emanicipation' can not be

> seen

> > > from the chart

> > > then why to see ketu's position etc.. from

> karkamsha

> > > and what is the

> > > advantage, seers horoscope will offer to an

> > > astrology student.

> > >

> > > pathak

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Partha

> > > Sarathy

> > > <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > Dear Shripal

> > > > How do you know? Have you got salvation?

> > > > best wishes

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > > On 4/23/05, Shripal <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Jinendra,

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't think from one's chart anyone can

> > > determine

> > > > > that individual is going to go

> Moksha.Because it

> > > is

> > > > > more for a free will rather than boundage

> effect

> > > of

> > > > > planets.It is against them and not with help

> of

> > > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Planets shows karma and nullifying Karmas

> means

> > > going

> > > > > against them and it is more of strong free

> will

> > > than

> > > > > anything else.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > > I just realised what about those poor

> fellows

> > > who

> > > > > > have Saturn in gemini and

> > > > > > Cancer!!

> > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > partha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 4/23/05, Partha Sarathy <partvinu@g...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utpal

> > > > > > > No, i am not aware of such a dictum. I

> have

> > > not

> > > > > > read in classics also.

> > > > > > > Best of luck for such people who have

> this,

> > > > > > atleast this will make them

> > > > > > > feel happy :-))))

> > > > > > > Do you seriously think that Moksha is a

> > > laddu to

> > > > > > be eaten or some prize to

> > > > > > > be won, or the end of all??

> > > > > > > I am deviating, sorry.

> > > > > > > best wishes

> > > > > > > partha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On 4/23/05, utpal pathak

> <vedic_pathak>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Partha Garu & all others,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I just now came to know an intresting

> > > 'Sutra'

> > > > > > from an Reputed Jyotish

> > > > > > > > magazine.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sutra --> If the 8th house from Saturn

> is

> > > > > > Occupied by it's Own lord,

> > > > > > > > there is NO Rebirth and Final

> Salvation is

> > > > > > shown.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > are you aware of such dictum?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pathak

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------

> > > Sponsor

> > > > > > --------------------~-->

> > > > > > > > Has someone you know been affected by

> > > illness or

> > > > > > disease?

> > > > > > > > Network for Good is THE place to

> support

> > > health

> > > > > > awareness efforts!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

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> > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on

> us

> > > .......

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri

> > > Krishnaarpanamastu

> > > > > > ||

> > > > > > > > Links

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > > > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com

> > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

> > > > > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com/>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All that we are is the result of what we

> > > have

> > > > > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows

> him.

> > > If a

> > > > > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him,

> like a

> > > shadow

> > > > > > that never leaves him.

> > > > > > > -----Buddha

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plot.no.71

> > > > > > > Road No.3

> > > > > > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > > > > > Hyderabad

> > > > > > > India-500 082

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > V.Partha Sarathy,

> > > > > > partvinu.blogspot.com

> > > <http://partvinu.blogspot.com> <

> > > > > http://partvinu.blogspot.com>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All that we are is the result of what we

> have

> > > > > > thought. If a man speaks or

> > > > > > acts with an evil thought, pain follows

> him.

> > > If a

> > > > > > man speaks or acts with a

> > > > > > pure thought, happiness follows him, like

> a

> > > shadow

> > > > > > that never leaves him.

> > > > > > -----Buddha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plot.no.71

> > > > > > Road No.3

> > > > > > Nagarjuna Hills

> > > > > > Hyderabad

> > > > > > India-500 082

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Love is the beauty of the soul

> > > > >

> > > > > Small Business - Try our new

> resources

> > > site!

> > > > >

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