Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Namaskar, I think you'll agree on the importance of studying lots and lots of charts as part of learning jyotish. With this is mind, I was thinking it would be nice to post interesting charts on the list every once in a while, for members to look at and share comments. Perhaps focusing on a particular aspect of the chart would make it more productive. It would help share different techniques of analysis. I know it would be of great benefit to me personally. I hope others are willing to participate. To start with, here's the chart of a very famous person (also attached in JHD). Immediately obvious is a strong Dhimanta yoga. Natal Chart September 9, 1828 Time: 22:52:00 Time Zone: 2:30:28 (East of GMT) Place: 37 E 37' 00", 54 N 12' 00" A few questions to ponder: 1. What activity brought fame to this person? 2. When did this fame come? 3. How widespread was the fame? 4. How did the native feel about their fame? Please note that this is by no means a test - I simply want to see different people's viewpoints and methods of analysis. If you know who the person is, please wait a bit before telling! A very small clue is that M K Gandhi thought very highly of this native. They never met, though. I hope to receive an enthusiastic response! Thanks, Samir 9 9 1828 22.520000 -2.304667 -37.370000 54.120000 0.000000 -2.507778 -2.507778 0 0 Unknown Unknown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Was this person a famous writer/philosopher? Me/Su in 3rd indicates he had natural talents to write. Ju in 5th in Libra is an auspicious placement, and being the AL implies the native was perceived as being very wise by the society. Strong Dhimantau yoga (Me/Su) and the AK/Amk yuti (Me/Su again) indicates person was very intelligent, learned, and perceived as a fount of knowledge. Me/Su is a high quality Raja Yoga in this horoscope. This person must have gained a large following during his Ju dasa, may be for his writings done during his Rahu dasa. Tapaswi yoga in the chart and Ke in the 10th indicates the subject may have been a renunciate, and not cared much for the fame. Astro Iyer , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Namaskar, > > I think you'll agree on the importance of studying lots and lots of charts > as part of learning jyotish. With this is mind, I was thinking it would be > nice to post interesting charts on the list every once in a while, for > members to look at and share comments. Perhaps focusing on a particular > aspect of the chart would make it more productive. It would help share > different techniques of analysis. I know it would be of great benefit to > me personally. I hope others are willing to participate. > > To start with, here's the chart of a very famous person (also attached in > JHD). Immediately obvious is a strong Dhimanta yoga. > > Natal Chart > September 9, 1828 > Time: 22:52:00 > Time Zone: 2:30:28 (East of GMT) > Place: 37 E 37' 00", 54 N 12' 00" > > A few questions to ponder: > > 1. What activity brought fame to this person? > 2. When did this fame come? > 3. How widespread was the fame? > 4. How did the native feel about their fame? > > Please note that this is by no means a test - I simply want to see > different people's viewpoints and methods of analysis. If you know who the > person is, please wait a bit before telling! A very small clue is that M K > Gandhi thought very highly of this native. They never met, though. > > I hope to receive an enthusiastic response! > > Thanks, > > Samir > 9 > 9 > 1828 > 22.520000 > -2.304667 > -37.370000 > 54.120000 > 0.000000 > -2.507778 > -2.507778 > 0 > 0 > Unknown > Unknown > 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Astro, Namaskar, You are correct in almost everything you said - he was indeed a famous writer/philosopher. And yes, he was a renunciate of sorts. His one problem, however, was that he was soooo angry with society in general that it left him little peace inside. He wrote what is widely described as the greatest novel of the 19th century. I'll try and dig up the dates for this to see which dasa it was in. And he rejected the Nobel Prize for literature when he was awarded it. That was how angry he was with the world. Do you know now who this is? Thanks for replying btw! Samir At 11:24 03/04/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 13 Sun, 03 Apr 2005 04:43:54 -0000 "astroiyer" <navamsa > Re: A little exercise Was this person a famous writer/philosopher? Me/Su in 3rd indicates he had natural talents to write. Ju in 5th in Libra is an auspicious placement, and being the AL implies the native was perceived as being very wise by the society. Strong Dhimantau yoga (Me/Su) and the AK/Amk yuti (Me/Su again) indicates person was very intelligent, learned, and perceived as a fount of knowledge. Me/Su is a high quality Raja Yoga in this horoscope. This person must have gained a large following during his Ju dasa, may be for his writings done during his Rahu dasa. Tapaswi yoga in the chart and Ke in the 10th indicates the subject may have been a renunciate, and not cared much for the fame. Astro Iyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Was this Leo Tolstoy? If it is Tolstoy, then I do know that he took to religous studies and writing about morals in the later half of his life, which fits with the advent of the Jupiter dasa. His War and Peace must have been published around 1870 or so, when the Ju dasa would have just started. I didn't know about his rejecting the Nobel though... Not only does the Ma in 3rd from AL show his temper and vehement nature, but malefic Ke in 6th also shows that his anger/cynicism/mistrust was apparent to everybody. Does anybody know how his speech was perceived? Sa/Ve in 2nd with Ma aspecting should make him a very blunt speaker, somebody who came across as much coarser than this writing would imply. He would have seemed like a scholar with an acid tongue... Analyzing the Dasamsa chart -- Ju/Su in Ar in 6th house shows he must have worked for the Govt. in earlier years -- may be in the judiciary (ju/su) or military (in Ar) Me in 7th with exalted Mo (Mo parivarthana w/ Ve) is a powerful rajayoga that seems to indicate somebody self-made wrt writing, and capable of realistic portrayal of emotions (exalted Mo). Astro Iyer , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear Astro, Namaskar, > > You are correct in almost everything you said - he was indeed a famous > writer/philosopher. And yes, he was a renunciate of sorts. His one > problem, however, was that he was soooo angry with society in general that > it left him little peace inside. > > He wrote what is widely described as the greatest novel of the 19th > century. I'll try and dig up the dates for this to see which dasa it was in. > > And he rejected the Nobel Prize for literature when he was awarded > it. That was how angry he was with the world. > > Do you know now who this is? > > Thanks for replying btw! > > Samir > > > > At 11:24 03/04/2005, you wrote: > >______________________ > > > >Message: 13 > > Sun, 03 Apr 2005 04:43:54 -0000 > > "astroiyer" <navamsa@g...> > >Re: A little exercise > > > > > > > >Was this person a famous writer/philosopher? Me/Su in 3rd > >indicates he had natural talents to write. Ju in 5th in Libra > >is an auspicious placement, and being the AL implies the > >native was perceived as being very wise by the society. > >Strong Dhimantau yoga (Me/Su) and the AK/Amk yuti (Me/Su again) > >indicates person was very intelligent, learned, and perceived > >as a fount of knowledge. Me/Su is a high quality Raja Yoga in > >this horoscope. > > > >This person must have gained a large following during his > >Ju dasa, may be for his writings done during his Rahu dasa. > > > >Tapaswi yoga in the chart and Ke in the 10th indicates the > >subject may have been a renunciate, and not cared much for > >the fame. > > > >Astro Iyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || It is indeed Leo Tolstoy. It appears there are different reports regarding that nobel prize - some say he was denied it because of his "anarchist views", while others seem to say he didn't get it because he would have refused it anyway. Make what you will of that. He should have been offered it, and he wasn't. It isn't really a prize for literature is it . His speech was indeed harsh - though I think it became that way later on. Towards the end of his life he was a very bitter man. War and Peace was written between 1863-69. So through part of Rahu and beginning Jupiter Dasa. This is also the best part of Scorpio narayana dasa - with the Sun/Mercury combination falling in the 10th from Scorpio. This little snippet should help with timing. Thanks for your comments - I hadn't picked up on the government/military service until you mentioned it. * * * [source: http://www.ltolstoy.com] Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910), Russian author, whose classic novels include War and Peace (1863-69) and Anna Karenina (1875-77). Leo Tolstoy was born on August 28, 1828 at Yasnya Polyana, in Tula Province, the fourth of five children. His parents died when he was a child, and he was brought up by relatives. In 1844 Tolstoy started his studies of law and oriental languages at Kazan University, but he never took a degree. Dissatisfied with the standard of education, he returned in the middle of his studies back to Yasnya Polyana, and then spent much of his time in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Tolstoy was treated for venereal disease in 1847, and for most of the rest of his life was troubled by his tendency to debauch himself on a grand scale. After contracting heavy gambling debts, Tolstoy accompanied his elder brother to the Caucasus in 1851, and joined an artillery regiment. In the 1850s Tolstoy also began his literary career, publishing the autobiographical trilogy Childhood (1852), Boyhood (1854), and Youth (1857). In 1857 Tolstoy visited France, Switzerland, and Germany to learn more about society and how to reform it. After his travels Tolstoy settled in Yasnya Polyana, where he started a school for peasant children. He believed that the secret of changing the world lay in education. He investigated educational theory and practice, and published magazines and textbooks on the subject. In 1862 he married Sonya Andreyevna Behrs (1844-1919) who bore him 13 children. Sonya also acted as her husband's devoted secretary. Tolstoy's fiction grew originally out of his diaries, in which he tried to understand his own feelings and actions so as to control them. Tolstoy's major work, War and Peace , appeared between the years 1865 and 1869. The epic tale depicted the story of five families against the background of Napoleon's invasion of Russia. Tolstoy's other masterpiece, Anna Karenina (1873-77), told a tragic story of a married woman, who follows her lover, but finally commits suicide. Tolstoy juxtaposed in the work crises of family life with the quest for the meaning of life. After finishing Anna Karenina Tolstoy renounced all his earlier works and wrote Conversion (1879) to explain his doctrines. Voskresenia (1899, Resurrection) was Tolstoy's last major novel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Samir, Thanks for posting a good exercise. You are right about the Nobel being awarded to people that have a "wholesome" persona. I would have thought we should see A5 for tangible recognition - in this case he had a lot of recognition, but no awards to show for it. How can we decipher that? I have not used Narayana dasa yet... Gives me a chance to learn more wrt to this chart at least. Regards! , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > It is indeed Leo Tolstoy. It appears there are different reports regarding > that nobel prize - some say he was denied it because of his "anarchist > views", while others seem to say he didn't get it because he would have > refused it anyway. Make what you will of that. He should have been > offered it, and he wasn't. It isn't really a prize for literature is it . > > His speech was indeed harsh - though I think it became that way later > on. Towards the end of his life he was a very bitter man. > > War and Peace was written between 1863-69. So through part of Rahu and > beginning Jupiter Dasa. This is also the best part of Scorpio narayana > dasa - with the Sun/Mercury combination falling in the 10th from Scorpio. > > This little snippet should help with timing. > > Thanks for your comments - I hadn't picked up on the government/military > service until you mentioned it. > > * * * > [source: http://www.ltolstoy.com] > Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910), Russian author, whose classic novels include War > and Peace (1863-69) and Anna Karenina (1875-77). > > Leo Tolstoy was born on August 28, 1828 at Yasnya Polyana, in Tula > Province, the fourth of five children. His parents died when he was a > child, and he was brought up by relatives. In 1844 Tolstoy started his > studies of law and oriental languages at Kazan University, but he never > took a degree. Dissatisfied with the standard of education, he returned in > the middle of his studies back to Yasnya Polyana, and then spent much of > his time in Moscow and St. Petersburg. > > Tolstoy was treated for venereal disease in 1847, and for most of the rest > of his life was troubled by his tendency to debauch himself on a grand > scale. After contracting heavy gambling debts, Tolstoy accompanied his > elder brother to the Caucasus in 1851, and joined an artillery regiment. In > the 1850s Tolstoy also began his literary career, publishing the > autobiographical trilogy Childhood (1852), Boyhood (1854), and Youth (1857). > > In 1857 Tolstoy visited France, Switzerland, and Germany to learn more > about society and how to reform it. After his travels Tolstoy settled in > Yasnya Polyana, where he started a school for peasant children. He believed > that the secret of changing the world lay in education. He investigated > educational theory and practice, and published magazines and textbooks on > the subject. In 1862 he married Sonya Andreyevna Behrs (1844-1919) who bore > him 13 children. Sonya also acted as her husband's devoted secretary. > > Tolstoy's fiction grew originally out of his diaries, in which he tried to > understand his own feelings and actions so as to control them. Tolstoy's > major work, War and Peace , appeared between the years 1865 and 1869. The > epic tale depicted the story of five families against the background of > Napoleon's invasion of Russia. > > Tolstoy's other masterpiece, Anna Karenina (1873-77), told a tragic story > of a married woman, who follows her lover, but finally commits suicide. > Tolstoy juxtaposed in the work crises of family life with the quest for the > meaning of life. > > After finishing Anna Karenina Tolstoy renounced all his earlier works and > wrote Conversion (1879) to explain his doctrines. Voskresenia (1899, > Resurrection) was Tolstoy's last major novel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Namaskar, Yep - the A5 should show awards and the like. However, I don't think it need necessarily show awards per se, but recognition. Given that the A5 is joined an exalted Moon in D-10, it's clear that he was certainly recognised. As for not getting the Nobel Prize - the only factors I can see are that (1) Moon is bhadakesh and (2) 8th/12th lord Mercury is also there. I think there's somewhere else we should be looking also though. Time to look at the charts of people who did win the prize... Another possibly related factor is that in D-1 Jupiter is bhadakesh in AL. Best wishes, Samir At 04:03 06/04/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 13 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:09:26 -0000 "astroiyer" <navamsa > Re: A little exercise Samir, Thanks for posting a good exercise. You are right about the Nobel being awarded to people that have a "wholesome" persona. I would have thought we should see A5 for tangible recognition - in this case he had a lot of recognition, but no awards to show for it. How can we decipher that? I have not used Narayana dasa yet... Gives me a chance to learn more wrt to this chart at least. Regards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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