Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Namaskar, I've a few queries regarding analysis of the D-7: 1. In COVA, Sanjayji says we should consider whether the D-7 lagna is odd or even to decide which house determines the first child. However, in the Saptamsa article on his website, it seems to suggest only considering the gender of the native. So for female natives, the first child is seen from the 9th house in D-9 regardless of the Lagna, 7th for the second child etc.. Are these two separate methods, or have I understood incorrectly? I understand that the controlling house for children in the D-7 is 5th for males and 9th for females - but that is separate from determining whether the order of pregnancies is zodiacal or reverse. 2. To determine the sex of the child, I have seen two approaches - one to consider the influences on the house itself (planets placed there, sign, aspects), and the other is to consider only the influences on the lord of the house. Sanjayji seems to use only lords - but there are instances on the lists where analyses have been done using houses. Is one method preferred/correct? Thank you, Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Dear Samir, > 1. In COVA, Sanjayji says we should consider whether the D-7 lagna is odd > or even to decide which house determines the first child. However, in the > Saptamsa article on his website, it seems to suggest only considering the > gender of the native. So for female natives, the first child is seen from > the 9th house in D-9 regardless of the Lagna, 7th for the second child > etc.. Are these two separate methods, or have I understood incorrectly? One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is first child. Ketu reverses. > > I understand that the controlling house for children in the D-7 is 5th for > males and 9th for females - but that is separate from determining whether > the order of pregnancies is zodiacal or reverse. > > 2. To determine the sex of the child, I have seen two approaches - one to > consider the influences on the house itself (planets placed there, sign, > aspects), and the other is to consider only the influences on the lord of > the house. Sanjayji seems to use only lords - but there are instances on > the lists where analyses have been done using houses. Is one method > preferred/correct? Take the lord of house and see planets/sign associate with. with regards, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Rafal, Namaskar you wrote: One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is first child. Ketu reverses But which method is for what? Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the reverse is true! Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify? Thank you, Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2005 Report Share Posted March 31, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Friends, Namaskar Think of children as fruits of marriage - 11th house from 7th (first marriage). So, where to look for fruits of second maraige ?? i pose this question, so that we get some depth on why 5th & 9th houses for children, what is the sanctity of these houses? We know that odd signs are male and even signs are female (any standard book gives this). regards suryaviswanadham On Apr 1, 2005 11:41 AM, Samir Shah <a48919062 wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > you wrote: > One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining > sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is > first child. Ketu reverses > But which method is for what? > > Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual > children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The > first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse > depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the > child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding > the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the > signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" > It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. > > So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 > lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. > > The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the > controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the > reverse is true! > > Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't > been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify? > > Thank you, > > Samir > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > Sponsor > > > Children International > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > ·Click Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > Learn More > > ________________________________ > Links > > > / > > > > > -- Viswanadham Management Consultant MONEYMATTERS + 91 98 202 28271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Samir, Namaskar Your mixing up terms here. The general fortune of pregnancies is seen from the 5th house for male and 9th for female. From here we can see the general fortune of ones pregnancies, i.e. whether there are excess miscarriages or all are succesful. Now the fortune of each child is analyzed with respect to the particular pregnancy. With time Sanjayji has clarified that the counting of each pregnancy is dependant on the saptamsa lagna being odd/even. Why that particular article (http://.org/learn/saptamsa_chakra.htm) and the one on his website (http://srath.com/lectures/saptamsa.htm) has this particular discrepency is worth asking him about. Hence i’ve forwarded this message to him as well. There could however be a mistake in the sentence and he meant to convey that a male SIGN in lagna, makes the counting start from the fifth house, and the ninth for female SIGNs. I hope Sanjayji will take some time out to clarify this, so that we can correct the articles on the websites. navy"> Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 01 April 2005 08:11 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: D-7 clarification 12.0pt"> || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Rafal, Namaskar you wrote: 12.0pt">One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is first child. Ketu reverses 12.0pt"> But which method is for what? Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the reverse is true! Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify? Thank you, Samir ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || Dear Vishwanadham, Simple question :-) Why first marriage and 2nd marraige? 7th H in reality shows the sex (Procedure for Garbhadhana) and fruit of it is 5th H, child!! (Not neccessary one has to marry!! ) Not only for child case (5th and 9th H) but 2nd and 12th H of Male chart shows right and left eye , but reverse is true in Female case !! For this sages have treated stri jataka differently !! If you want to deal with 1st and 2nd marriage , I think UL and it's trines are better !! Then in female horoscopy UL is arudha of 12th H or it's arudha of 2nd H? This are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may enlight us!! Regards, Vinay P. Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:57:02 +0530 Viswanadham <vishwanatham >Re: Re: D-7 clarificationHare Rama KrishnaDear Friends, NamaskarThink of children as fruits of marriage - 11th house from 7th (first marriage).So, where to look for fruits of second maraige ??i pose this question, so that we get some depth on why 5th & 9thhouses for children, what is the sanctity of these houses?We know that odd signs are male and even signs are female (anystandard book gives this).regardssuryaviswanadhamOn Apr 1, 2005 11:41 AM, Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> || Om Namah Shivaaya ||> > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> > you wrote:> One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining> sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is> first child. Ketu reverses> But which method is for what? > > Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual> children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The> first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse> depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the> child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding> the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the> signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" > It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females.> > So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7> lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes.> > The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the> controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the> reverse is true! > > Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't> been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify?> > Thank you,> > Samir> > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > Sponsor> > > Children International> Would you give Hope to a Child in need?> > ·Click Here to meet a Girl> And Give Her Hope> ·Click Here to meet a Boy> And Change His Life > > Learn More> > ________________________________> Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > > > > Your use of is subject to the -- ViswanadhamManagement ConsultantMONEYMATTERS+ 91 98 202 28271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Vinay, Namaskar Let me reply you quickly! If not marriage, then child from first partner & second partner, unless children are born from the ear!!! Left ear /right ear! Just joking. Take care . regards suryaviswanadham , "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay@h...> wrote: > || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || > > Dear Vishwanadham, > > Simple question :-) Why first marriage and 2nd marraige? 7th H in reality shows the sex (Procedure for Garbhadhana) and fruit of it is 5th H, child!! (Not neccessary one has to marry!! ) > > Not only for child case (5th and 9th H) but 2nd and 12th H of Male chart shows right and left eye , but reverse is true in Female case !! For this sages have treated stri jataka differently !! > > If you want to deal with 1st and 2nd marriage , I think UL and it's trines are better !! Then in female horoscopy UL is arudha of 12th H or it's arudha of 2nd H? > > This are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may enlight us!! > > Regards, > > Vinay P. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 In my own case study with a girl/boy it worked out to be the same for my first child atleast. I am not sure about how to account for my second kid since my ex decided to terminate one in between. Rahu falls between my 5th and the 7th house in D7 and I heard Sri PVR Narasimha mention that it could change the equation. I submit my data for research purposes. THe time has been read off the birth certificates. Me-Oct 24,1962 13:37 N Delhi, IN Daughter-June 28, 1990 7:48 am Calcutta, IN Son- Mar 1, 1997 18:33 Fullerton CA, US Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: || Om Namah Shivaaya ||Dear Rafal, Namaskaryou wrote: One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determiningsex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H isfirst child. Ketu reversesBut which method is for what? Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females.So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes.The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the reverse is true! Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify?Thank you,Samir~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today soumit guhajava_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || Dear Vishwanadham, Good comments about Left and Right :-)) !! Any how 5th and 9th Houses are consider beacuse of many reasons (Which I obviously not knowing like Left Right :-)) ) but one more thing you might be missing is Bhaavaat Bhaavam , hence 5th from 5th is also important besides 5th from Jup and his strength. (Infact BPHS says Panchame Prasavastatha .. for Female also, but Matreswara have 9th H opinion, if I'm not wrong!!) Secondly we use UL for family anaysis and 9th from it is very important for children as per Shri Parasara !! Why it's protection? or Bhagya ?or something which you may share with us dear !! For Female, Shri Parasara even takes 8th H for children?? :-) For children Shri Parasara also recommends to see UL itself along with Lagna !! ..........:-)) I think this time no left , no right , just straight :-)) Again these are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may enlight us!! Regards, Vinay P. - "Viswanadham" <vishwanatham > "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Friday, April 01, 2005 7:32 PM Re: Re: D-7 clarification Hare Rama KrishnaDear Vinay, NamaskarLet me reply you quickly! If not marriage, then child from first partner & second partner,unless children are born from the ear!!! Left ear /right ear Justjoking.Take care regardssuryaviswanadhamOn Apr 1, 2005 4:35 PM, Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa ||> > Dear Vishwanadham,> > Simple question :-) Why first marriage and 2nd marraige? 7th H in reality> shows the sex (Procedure for Garbhadhana) and fruit of it is 5th H, child!!> (Not neccessary one has to marry!! )> > Not only for child case (5th and 9th H) but 2nd and 12th H of Male chart> shows right and left eye , but reverse is true in Female case !! For this> sages have treated stri jataka differently !!> > If you want to deal with 1st and 2nd marriage , I think UL and it's trines> are better !! Then in female horoscopy UL is arudha of 12th H or it's arudha> of 2nd H? > > This are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may> enlight us!!> > Regards,> > Vinay P.> > > ________________________________> Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:57:02 +0530> Viswanadham <vishwanatham >> Re: Re: D-7 clarification> > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Friends, Namaskar> > Think of children as fruits of marriage - 11th house from 7th (first> marriage).> > So, where to look for fruits of second maraige ??> > i pose this question, so that we get some depth on why 5th & 9th> houses for children, what is the sanctity of these houses?> > We know that odd signs are male and even signs are female (any> standard book gives this).> > regards> suryaviswanadham> > > On Apr 1, 2005 11:41 AM, Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > || Om Namah Shivaaya ||> > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar> > > > you wrote:> > One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining> > sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is> > first child. Ketu reverses> > But which method is for what? > > > > Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual> > children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa...> The> > first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse> > depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the> > child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding> > the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of> the> > signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]"> > It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females.> > > > So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7> > lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes.> > > > The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the> > controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website,> the> > reverse is true! > > > > Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't> > been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify?> > > > Thank you,> > > > Samir> > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today> > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > Children International> > Would you give Hope to a Child in need?> > > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl> > And Give Her Hope> > ·Click Here to meet a Boy> > And Change His Life > > > > Learn More> > > > ________________________________> > Links> > > > To visit your group on the web, go to:> > /> > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > -- > Viswanadham> > > Management Consultant> MONEYMATTERS> + 91 98 202 28271> > -- ViswanadhamManagement ConsultantMONEYMATTERS+ 91 98 202 28271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear friends, Namaste. I have not read the original write-up nor the complete thread. however due to comments of Shri Vinay ji and Shri Vishwanadham, in particular reg. Right & left - I was reminded of the fact that in traditional horoscopes in Northern India it is mentioned that the "SON was born out of the RIGHT womb / DAUGHTER was born out of the LEFT womb". Howsoever biologically incorrect, this statement "Dakshin-Kukshau Putra-Ratnamajeejanat" or "Waam-Kukshau Putri-ratnamajeejanat" may have some astrological relevance. regards, Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Himanshu Mohan , "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Vinay P. > I remeber reading a mail written by a Guru (I cannot recall the name) which > explained that the second marriage is seen from 2H and fruits of second > marriage are seen 11th from 2H i.e 12H. > Regards > Ramesh > > Vinay Patwardhan [patwardhanvinay@h...] > Friday, April 01, 2005 6:05 AM > > Cc: vishwanatham@g... > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Re: D-7 clarification > > > || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || > > Dear Vishwanadham, > > Simple question :-) Why first marriage and 2nd marraige? 7th H in reality > shows the sex (Procedure for Garbhadhana) and fruit of it is 5th H, child!! > (Not neccessary one has to marry!! ) > > Not only for child case (5th and 9th H) but 2nd and 12th H of Male chart > shows right and left eye , but reverse is true in Female case !! For this > sages have treated stri jataka differently !! > > If you want to deal with 1st and 2nd marriage , I think UL and it's trines > are better !! Then in female horoscopy UL is arudha of 12th H or it's arudha > of 2nd H? > > This are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may > enlight us!! > > Regards, > > Vinay P. > > > > -- -------- > -- > > Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:57:02 +0530 > Viswanadham <vishwanatham@g...> > Re: Re: D-7 clarification > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Friends, Namaskar > > Think of children as fruits of marriage - 11th house from 7th (first > marriage). > > So, where to look for fruits of second maraige ?? > > i pose this question, so that we get some depth on why 5th & 9th > houses for children, what is the sanctity of these houses? > > We know that odd signs are male and even signs are female (any > standard book gives this). > > regards > suryaviswanadham > > > On Apr 1, 2005 11:41 AM, Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > you wrote: > > One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining > > sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is > > first child. Ketu reverses > > But which method is for what? > > > > Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual > > children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... > The > > first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse > > depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the > > child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details > regarding > > the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of > the > > signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that > child]" > > It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. > > > > So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on > D-7 > > lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. > > > > The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only > the > > controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, > the > > reverse is true! > > > > Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't > > been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Children International > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > ·Click Here to meet a Girl > > And Give Her Hope > > ·Click Here to meet a Boy > > And Change His Life > > > > Learn More > > > > ________________________________ > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > -- > Viswanadham > > > Management Consultant > MONEYMATTERS > + 91 98 202 28271 > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > -- -------- > -- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || Dear Ramesh , Yes It's very true but in particular case I think UL plays major role over 5th or 9th House!! Secondly all these things are confusing because of 1.4.25 and 1.4.31 of JS !! My reaquest is go through Guruji's commentry first and then we can understand what Vishwanadham is asking for ? (Actually I 've also not go through it before and really sorry to Vishwanadham and all freinds here) Still I'll stick to stand by my previous mails and get clear about UL and D7 mixing !! Sorry for troubles once again!! REgards, Vinay P. , "Ramesh Gangaramani" <ramesh.gangaramani> wrote: > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > Dear Vinay P. > I remeber reading a mail written by a Guru (I cannot recall the name) which > explained that the second marriage is seen from 2H and fruits of second > marriage are seen 11th from 2H i.e 12H. > Regards > Ramesh > > Vinay Patwardhan [patwardhanvinay@h...] > Friday, April 01, 2005 6:05 AM > > Cc: vishwanatham@g... > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Re: D-7 clarification > > > || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || > > Dear Vishwanadham, > > Simple question :-) Why first marriage and 2nd marraige? 7th H in reality > shows the sex (Procedure for Garbhadhana) and fruit of it is 5th H, child!! > (Not neccessary one has to marry!! ) > > Not only for child case (5th and 9th H) but 2nd and 12th H of Male chart > shows right and left eye , but reverse is true in Female case !! For this > sages have treated stri jataka differently !! > > If you want to deal with 1st and 2nd marriage , I think UL and it's trines > are better !! Then in female horoscopy UL is arudha of 12th H or it's arudha > of 2nd H? > > This are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words may > enlight us!! > > Regards, > > Vinay P. > > > > -- -------- > -- > > Fri, 1 Apr 2005 12:57:02 +0530 > Viswanadham <vishwanatham@g...> > Re: Re: D-7 clarification > > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Friends, Namaskar > > Think of children as fruits of marriage - 11th house from 7th (first > marriage). > > So, where to look for fruits of second maraige ?? > > i pose this question, so that we get some depth on why 5th & 9th > houses for children, what is the sanctity of these houses? > > We know that odd signs are male and even signs are female (any > standard book gives this). > > regards > suryaviswanadham > > > On Apr 1, 2005 11:41 AM, Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > > > Dear Rafal, Namaskar > > > > you wrote: > > One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining > > sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is > > first child. Ketu reverses > > But which method is for what? > > > > Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual > > children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... > The > > first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse > > depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the > > child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details > regarding > > the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of > the > > signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that > child]" > > It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. > > > > So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on > D-7 > > lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. > > > > The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only > the > > controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, > the > > reverse is true! > > > > Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't > > been explicitly stated anywhere. 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Guest guest Posted April 2, 2005 Report Share Posted April 2, 2005 || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa || Dear Vishwanadham, Yes you are correct and after reading some part of JS , I realised what you exactly after of ? But still to continue our thread I'll like to raise few good points, Pls check below:- - "Viswanadham" <vishwanatham > "Vinay Patwardhan" <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:48 PM Re: Re: D-7 clarification > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Vinay, Namaskar.> > You know about Karna and his birth to Kunthi, so no need to talk about it. Vin:- Sorry to mention this point but sometimes it helps to understand it :-) > > Regarding Gurus clarification, they have already said it in many> places. Some clarification was sought for on one of those references.> > Bhagya of having children or not is different from counting the no of> children, is it not? ( if there is bhagya, then how many children?) Vin:- That's why I have contributed here. Moon in 9th gives one son!! Here I think they have mention counting. If odd sign there many children , for even signs few children. Even in Chap on Upapada ,Shri Parasara, mentions about Barren signs as Upapada and drishti on it. Atleast I've not read any commnet on this or Logic on this by Gurus!! Plus sloka 23-24 in Upapada Chap needs serious attention (with my Limited knowledge) So I'm trying to catch Gurus vital directions and guidelines on this ??? :-)) (which is realted to our main subject ) Then 1st Partner / 2nd partner things will get more clarity!! Here I'm not mentioning 5th or 9th H but UL itself!!! > > Fruits of relationships/ marriage (7th house matter) is seen from the> 11th from it. For female *signs* counting is reverse! (The confusion> relating to what is marriage continues, i mean there are different> opinions about it) Vin:- No no I think in COVA Guruji have given the ref of Mahabharata to understand the concept of marriage (Here Kunthi is not married to Surya so confusions should not arise .... :-) ) > > You have made good points; most of them to see the bhagya. Same lines,> in Saptamsa 9th is the controlling house for female natives and 5th is> for male natives. ( Female horoscopy - does show up!) Vin:- Ref. pg 1.4.25 JS third note by Guruji. > > See, Saptamsa ( sapta rasas, sapta rishis) is a 7th division of rasi> and navamsa is a 9th division. In Saptamsa 7th is the house of> reckoning; Fruits from 7th for first marriage ( which can be extended> to relationship). 1 - 7 signs are both of same types - male/female.> > When it comes to 2nd marriage, there is a catch? 1&2 are always of> different types - odd/even, which one to take? 2nd house.> > i raised this question, only for more clarity on this. Vin:- Really good question and I'll reply after refreshing memories!! > > Do not leave out Jaimini, in your references. There should be other> ways of finding out the no of chidren, also :-) Vin:- Yes Dear but one main point I think we never differ with Shri Parasara and Shri Jaimini , my major ref. are from BPHS !! :-) > > Take care.> > > regards> suryaviswanadham> Vin:- Nothing Personal, It's debate between our views and not us Dear !! Correct na :-)) Anyway wht abt ur presentations with Parla Group on JS ? R u going there? With Love and Regards, Vinay P. > > > > > > On Apr 2, 2005 6:34 PM, Vinay Patwardhan <patwardhanvinay (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > || Shri Chintaamani Ganeshaaya Swaahaa ||> > > > Dear Vishwanadham,> > > > Good comments about Left and Right :-)) !!> > > > Any how 5th and 9th Houses are consider beacuse of many reasons (Which I> > obviously not knowing like Left Right :-)) ) but one more thing you might be> > missing is Bhaavaat Bhaavam , hence 5th from 5th is also important besides> > 5th from Jup and his strength. (Infact BPHS says Panchame Prasavastatha ..> > for Female also, but Matreswara have 9th H opinion, if I'm not wrong!!)> > > > Secondly we use UL for family anaysis and 9th from it is very important for> > children as per Shri Parasara !! Why it's protection? or Bhagya ?or> > something which you may share with us dear !! For Female, Shri Parasara even> > takes 8th H for children?? :-) > > > > For children Shri Parasara also recommends to see UL itself along with Lagna> > !! ...........:-))> > > > I think this time no left , no right , just straight :-))> > > > Again these are just free thoughts and may be wrong completely. Guru's words> > may enlight us!!> > > > Regards,> > > > Vinay P.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Soumit, Namaskar, Thanks for sharing your data. Regarding the Rahu-ketu axis, my understanding is that you cannot cross that axis twice. So in you case that would mean you cannot have more than 4 children/pregancies. Of course the number may be less due to other factors in the Rasi chart. Your D-7 seems to account for everything so far: With Libra lagna, we count in the forward direction. So 1st child is seen from the 5th house which is Aquarius. It's lord exalted Saturn (male) is placed in Virgo (Female) with Ketu (Female). So female is most likely - and you did indeed have a girl. 2nd child (or rather, pregnancy - these are counted also) is seen from the 7th. Lord is Mars (male) placed there with Jupiter (male) in Aries (male). If you don't mind me asking, did you have any role in the decision to terminate? (please don't answer if you don't want to) 3rd child is the 9th. Gemini lord mercury is in Cancer (male). So you had a boy. On a separate note - have you ever married? I notice you have UL lord Mars in Marana Karaka Sthana with Rahu. Again, if you'd prefer not to reply, please don't. With reverence to the Gurus, Samir At 11:24 03/04/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 3 Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:30:46 -0800 (PST) Soumit Guha <java_sgt > Re: Re: D-7 clarification Great point Samir, I noticed that myself but failed to surface it as you did. In my own case study with a girl/boy it worked out to be the same for my first child atleast. I am not sure about how to account for my second kid since my ex decided to terminate one in between. Rahu falls between my 5th and the 7th house in D7 and I heard Sri PVR Narasimha mention that it could change the equation. I submit my data for research purposes. THe time has been read off the birth certificates. Me-Oct 24,1962 13:37 N Delhi, IN Daughter-June 28, 1990 7:48 am Calcutta, IN Son- Mar 1, 1997 18:33 Fullerton CA, US Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Rafal, Namaskar you wrote: One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determining sex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H is first child. Ketu reverses But which method is for what? Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females. So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes. The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the reverse is true! Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify? Thank you, Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Many thanks for looking into the charts and clarifying the technique to me. I am awed by this clockwork mechanism of life, and am ever curious to find out what lies beneath the hood. Thinking back I now recollect that there were 2 terminations (not one) in between, the first one unknown and the second a boy. All these were unilaterally decided by my ex-wife, and I left it to her. However the analysis still hold good. I guess we have to count 3 more and if I read correctly it would be in Leo and its Lord Sun in Scorpio therefore Male. Regarding "I notice you have UL lord Mars in Marana Karaka Sthana with Rahu", I am sure it means something bad and it has already occured (Dec 2000). If you need more data I am willing to share Thanks Soumit Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: || Om Namah Shivaaya ||Dear Soumit, Namaskar,Thanks for sharing your data. Regarding the Rahu-ketu axis, my understanding is that you cannot cross that axis twice. So in you case that would mean you cannot have more than 4 children/pregancies. Of course the number may be less due to other factors in the Rasi chart.Your D-7 seems to account for everything so far: With Libra lagna, we count in the forward direction. So 1st child is seen from the 5th house which is Aquarius. It's lord exalted Saturn (male) is placed in Virgo (Female) with Ketu (Female). So female is most likely - and you did indeed have a girl.2nd child (or rather, pregnancy - these are counted also) is seen from the 7th. Lord is Mars (male) placed there with Jupiter (male) in Aries (male). If you don't mind me asking, did you have any role in the decision to terminate? (please don't answer if you don't want to)3rd child is the 9th. Gemini lord mercury is in Cancer (male). So you had a boy.On a separate note - have you ever married? I notice you have UL lord Mars in Marana Karaka Sthana with Rahu. Again, if you'd prefer not to reply, please don't.With reverence to the Gurus,Samir At 11:24 03/04/2005, you wrote: ______________________Message: 3 Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:30:46 -0800 (PST) Soumit Guha <java_sgt >Re: Re: D-7 clarificationGreat point Samir, I noticed that myself but failed to surface it as you did.In my own case study with a girl/boy it worked out to be the same for my first child atleast. I am not sure about how to account for my second kid since my ex decided to terminate one in between.Rahu falls between my 5th and the 7th house in D7 and I heard Sri PVR Narasimha mention that it could change the equation.I submit my data for research purposes. THe time has been read off the birth certificates.Me-Oct 24,1962 13:37 N Delhi, INDaughter-June 28, 1990 7:48 am Calcutta, INSon- Mar 1, 1997 18:33 Fullerton CA, US Samir Shah <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||Dear Rafal, Namaskaryou wrote:One method is for general fortune of child, one is for determiningsex/nature of child. Take the Lagna - if odd go forward and 5H isfirst child. Ketu reversesBut which method is for what? Let me quote from COVA 8.6.1-2: " The timing of birth of individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the saptamsa... The first child is seen from the fifth house counted zodiacally or reverse depending on whether the saptamsa Lagna is even or odd... The sex of the child is seen from the lord of the house of pregnancy... Details regarding the fortunes of individual children can be predicted by treating each of the signs occupied by the lord of the preganacy as the lagna [for that child]" It then goes on to talk about the controlling houses for males/females.So from this it would seem that using the method of counting based on D-7 lagna, we can know all about the child - sex as well as fortunes.The method of using the sex of the native isn't used at all here (only the controlling houses are considered). But in the article on the website, the reverse is true! Presumably the two methods have different applications - but this hasn't been explicitly stated anywhere. Could you clarify?Thank you,Samir~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today soumit guhajava_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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