Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Mr. Fox, D-'n' divisional chart means each sign/ house is divided in 'n' parts. Shashtyansha certainly contains 1800 divisions, 60 in each sign/ house. Shri Krishnarpanamastu. With best wishes, HM --- In , "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear list members, > I can now see that Sanjay Rath must be confusing the shastyamsa with > the nadiamsa: in the D-150, there are indeed 1800 divisions in the > whole zodiac, and each the lagna does take 48" to cross a nadiamsa. > But as far as I know, no version of Parasara uses or mentions the D- > 150. > Best wishes > Graham > > > --- In , "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > wrote: > > > > Hello group members, > > I have just acquired the book "Varga Chakra", which is very useful > > and helps me to understand the underlying principles behind the > > different methods of varga construction (Brahma varga = > > straightforward harmonics as in Western astrology; Shiva vargas = > > vargas with breaks or jumps, etc) > > However, in Sanjay Rath's chapter on the shastyamsa (p. 134), I > > don't understand why he says first (which of course I knew) that > the > > the shastyamsa is one- sixtieth division of a sign measuring 30' of > > arc, and then goes on to say that "There are a total of 1800 > > shastyamsa in the zodiac with sixty in each sign. As a time > measure, > > the average time taken for Lagna to traverse a shastyamsa is 48 > > seconds. Thus the smallest measure of time used by Parasara is 48 > > seconds when this shastyamsa shall change." > > Surely, 12 signs x 60 divisions = 720 (not 1800), and the average > > time taken for a change of lagna in shastyamsa is therefore 2 > > minutes. Am I right, or have I misunderstood something? > > Thank you for any clarification > > Graham Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Himanshu, Namaskar Graham is right. Yes there are 60 divisions per sign. So that means 12 signs X 60 amsas = 720 amsas. This is not 1800. Instead there are indeed 1800 nadiamsas... take the math and multiply 150 by 12... you will see. Only thing i do not entirely agree with Graham on, is the degree span of a Nadiamsa. I was taught that a nadiamsa is derived from the 16 divisional charts already calculated. I.e. take the border-degrees of each of the 16 divisional charts and you will get 149 borders and hence 150 amsas. This also means that the nadiamsa is non-uniform. Both options to pick a uniform vs. non-uniform nadiamsa is available in Jagannath Hora. But i will agree with Graham that if we are looking at a Nadiamsa chart and not an amsa, then the uniform method is used to calculate the planetary positions for the new chart. But i believe this is only talked of in Dhruva Nadi, though i have only ‘heard’ this to be so, and have no copies nor any reading of Dhruva nadi to confirm it. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Himanshu Mohan [himanshu (AT) mishraji (DOT) com] 25 March 2005 22:34 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: shastyamsa /Mr. Fox 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Mr. Fox, D-'n' divisional chart means each sign/ house is divided in 'n' parts. Shashtyansha certainly contains 1800 divisions, 60 in each sign/ house. Shri Krishnarpanamastu. With best wishes, HM , "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> wrote: > > Dear list members, > I can now see that Sanjay Rath must be confusing the shastyamsa with > the nadiamsa: in the D-150, there are indeed 1800 divisions in the > whole zodiac, and each the lagna does take 48" to cross a nadiamsa. > But as far as I know, no version of Parasara uses or mentions the D- > 150. > Best wishes > Graham > > > , "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > wrote: > > > > Hello group members, > > I have just acquired the book "Varga Chakra", which is very useful > > and helps me to understand the underlying principles behind the > > different methods of varga construction (Brahma varga = > > straightforward harmonics as in Western astrology; Shiva vargas = > > vargas with breaks or jumps, etc) > > However, in Sanjay Rath's chapter on the shastyamsa (p. 134), I > > don't understand why he says first (which of course I knew) that > the > > the shastyamsa is one- sixtieth division of a sign measuring 30' of > > arc, and then goes on to say that "There are a total of 1800 > > shastyamsa in the zodiac with sixty in each sign. As a time > measure, > > the average time taken for Lagna to traverse a shastyamsa is 48 > > seconds. Thus the smallest measure of time used by Parasara is 48 > > seconds when this shastyamsa shall change." > > Surely, 12 signs x 60 divisions = 720 (not 1800), and the average > > time taken for a change of lagna in shastyamsa is therefore 2 > > minutes. Am I right, or have I misunderstood something? > > Thank you for any clarification > > Graham Fox ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear guru Visti ji, Pranam. Mistake accepted. Regards, Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Himanshu Mohan --- In , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar > > Graham is right. Yes there are 60 divisions per sign. So that means 12 signs > X 60 amsas = 720 amsas. This is not 1800. > > Instead there are indeed 1800 nadiamsas... take the math and multiply 150 by > 12... you will see. > > > > Only thing i do not entirely agree with Graham on, is the degree span of a > Nadiamsa. I was taught that a nadiamsa is derived from the 16 divisional > charts already calculated. I.e. take the border- degrees of each of the 16 > divisional charts and you will get 149 borders and hence 150 amsas. This > also means that the nadiamsa is non-uniform. Both options to pick a uniform > vs. non-uniform nadiamsa is available in Jagannath Hora. > > > > But i will agree with Graham that if we are looking at a Nadiamsa chart and > not an amsa, then the uniform method is used to calculate the planetary > positions for the new chart. But i believe this is only talked of in Dhruva > Nadi, though i have only 'heard' this to be so, and have no copies nor any > reading of Dhruva nadi to confirm it. > > > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Himanshu Mohan [himanshu@m...] > 25 March 2005 22:34 > To: > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: shastyamsa /Mr. Fox > > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate > Vasudevay > Dear Mr. Fox, > D-'n' > divisional chart means each sign/ > house is divided in 'n' parts. > Shashtyansha certainly contains > 1800 divisions, 60 in each sign/ > house. > Shri > Krishnarpanamastu. > With best > wishes, > HM > --- In > , > "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > wrote: > > > > Dear list members, > > I > can now see that Sanjay Rath must > be confusing the shastyamsa with > > > the nadiamsa: in the D-150, there > are indeed 1800 divisions in the > > > whole zodiac, and each the lagna > does take 48" to cross a nadiamsa. > > > But as far as I know, no version of > Parasara uses or mentions the D- > > > 150. > > Best wishes > > Graham > > > > > > > --- In > , > "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello group > members, > > > I have just acquired > the book "Varga Chakra", which is > very useful > > > and helps me to > understand the underlying > principles behind the > > > different > methods of varga construction > (Brahma varga = > > > > straightforward harmonics as in > Western astrology; Shiva vargas = > > > > vargas with breaks or jumps, > etc) > > > However, in Sanjay Rath's > chapter on the shastyamsa (p. 134), I > > > > don't understand why he says > first (which of course I knew) that > > > the > > > the shastyamsa is one- > sixtieth division of a sign measuring > 30' of > > > arc, and then goes on to say > that "There are a total of 1800 > > > > shastyamsa in the zodiac with sixty in > each sign. As a time > > measure, > > > > the average time taken for Lagna to > traverse a shastyamsa is 48 > > > > seconds. Thus the smallest measure > of time used by Parasara is 48 > > > > seconds when this shastyamsa shall > change." > > > Surely, 12 signs x 60 > divisions = 720 (not 1800), and the > average > > > time taken for a change > of lagna in shastyamsa is therefore 2 > > > > minutes. Am I right, or have I > misunderstood something? > > > > Thank you for any clarification > > > > Graham Fox > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298blleh/M=298184.6191685.7192823.3001176/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1111873550/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http:/www.n > etflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here > > > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=298184.6191685.7192823.3001176/D=groups/S= > :HM/A=2593423/rand=897795958> > > > > _____ > > Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > - > <- ?subject=Un> > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Dear Visti and Himanshu, Thank you for your help. As Visti says, and as Narasimha Rao has explained to me in "Vedic Astrology" forum, there is indeed an irregular nadiamsa (the Chandra Kala Nadi, available as option in JH) which is based on a composite of all the 16 shodasvarga charts. So in a sense, by implication there is (contrary to what I thought) a variant of nadiamsa implied in Parasara, with 1800 divisions in the whole zodiac (albeit irregular ones). Best wishes Graham , "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu@m...> wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagawate > Vasudevay > Dear guru Visti > ji, > Pranam. > Mistake > accepted. > Regards, > Shri > Krishnarpanamastu. > Himanshu > Mohan > > --- In > , > "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear > Himanshu, Namaskar > > > > Graham is > right. Yes there are 60 divisions per > sign. So that means 12 signs > > X 60 > amsas = 720 amsas. This is not > 1800. > > > > Instead there are indeed > 1800 nadiamsas... take the math and > multiply 150 by > > 12... you will see. > > > > > > > > > Only thing i do not entirely > agree with Graham on, is the degree > span of a > > Nadiamsa. I was taught > that a nadiamsa is derived from the > 16 divisional > > charts already > calculated. I.e. take the border- > degrees of each of the 16 > > > divisional charts and you will get 149 > borders and hence 150 amsas. > This > > also means that the nadiamsa > is non-uniform. Both options to pick a > uniform > > vs. non-uniform nadiamsa > is available in Jagannath Hora. > > > > > > > > > But i will agree with Graham > that if we are looking at a Nadiamsa > chart and > > not an amsa, then the > uniform method is used to calculate > the planetary > > positions for the > new chart. But i believe this is only > talked of in Dhruva > > Nadi, though i > have only 'heard' this to be so, and > have no copies nor any > > reading of > Dhruva nadi to confirm it. > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti > Larsen > > > > Email: <visti@s...> > visti@s... > > > > Web: > <http://srigaruda.com> > http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > > _____ > > > > Himanshu > Mohan [himanshu@m...] > > > 25 March 2005 22:34 > > To: > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: > shastyamsa /Mr. Fox > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagawate > > > Vasudevay > > Dear Mr. Fox, > > D-'n' > > > divisional chart means each sign/ > > > house is divided in 'n' parts. > > > Shashtyansha certainly contains > > > 1800 divisions, 60 in each sign/ > > > house. > > Shri > > > Krishnarpanamastu. > > With best > > > wishes, > > HM > > --- In > > > , > > > "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear list > members, > > > I > > can now see that > Sanjay Rath must > > be confusing > the shastyamsa with > > > > > the > nadiamsa: in the D-150, there > > are > indeed 1800 divisions in the > > > > > > whole zodiac, and each the lagna > > > does take 48" to cross a nadiamsa. > > > > > > But as far as I know, no version of > > > Parasara uses or mentions the D- > > > > > > 150. > > > Best wishes > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , > > > "Graham Fox" <fox.graham@w...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello group > > > members, > > > > I have just > acquired > > the book "Varga > Chakra", which is > > very useful > > > > > and helps me to > > understand the > underlying > > principles behind the > > > > > different > > methods of varga > construction > > (Brahma varga = > > > > > > > straightforward harmonics as > in > > Western astrology; Shiva > vargas = > > > > > > vargas with breaks > or jumps, > > etc) > > > > However, in > Sanjay Rath's > > chapter on the > shastyamsa (p. 134), I > > > > > > don't > understand why he says > > first > (which of course I knew) that > > > > > > the > > > > the shastyamsa is one- > > > sixtieth division of a sign measuring > > > 30' of > > > > arc, and then goes on to > say > > that "There are a total of 1800 > > > > > > > shastyamsa in the zodiac > with sixty in > > each sign. As a time > > > > measure, > > > > > > the average time > taken for Lagna to > > traverse a > shastyamsa is 48 > > > > > > seconds. > Thus the smallest measure > > of time > used by Parasara is 48 > > > > > > > seconds when this shastyamsa shall > > > change." > > > > Surely, 12 signs x 60 > > > divisions = 720 (not 1800), and the > > > average > > > > time taken for a > change > > of lagna in shastyamsa is > therefore 2 > > > > > > minutes. Am I > right, or have I > > misunderstood > something? > > > > > > Thank you for > any clarification > > > > > > Graham > Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the > decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the > Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama > Krishna' > > (2) Try to become > Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > > human > stomach should not become a > graveyard for animals. > > (3) > Practise charity in thought and deed - > do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298blleh/M=298184.6191685.7192823.30011 76/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1111873550/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http :/www.n > > > etflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> > click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=298184.6191685.7192823.3001176/D=groups/S= > > > :HM/A=2593423/rand=897795958> > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > Groups Links > > > > * To visit your > group on the web, go to: > > > / > > > > > * To from this > group, send an email to: > > > - > > > > <- > ?subject=Un> > > > > > * Your use of is > subject to the > > > <> > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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