Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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Hi All

 

See this chart.

 

(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

 

Sun is Ista Devta

Shukra is Dharma Devta

 

As per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish his Dharma for that life.

 

Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

 

Surya is in Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good in Libra in D-1)

 

In my opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra - Dharma Devta)

 

If it is correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur) swara - uu.

 

If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

 

Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

 

thanks & regards

Tushankur

9810041401

 

 

 

"SARBANI SARKAR"

 

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Dear Mishraji,

 

If I may join the thread: Both mantras are used. The one without using the

pranava is the Panchakshari Shiva Mantra and the one with the pranava is

the Shadakshari Shiva Mantra. Please see below Example number 2 for its

explanation.

 

(a) Counting mantras in the horoscope

i. Count the number

of words in the mantra. Assign the corresponding number of

bhävas as Point A.

ii. Count the number of

akñaras in the mantra. Assign the corresponding number of

bhävas as Point B.

iii. Count the number of

bhävas from point A to point B.

iv. Count that many

bhävas from B and mark that Point C.

v. Point A is from

where the energy of the mantra is taken.

vi. Point B is where the

energy of the mantra is invested.

vii. Point C is where the

Mantra Devatä sits.

viii. The number of words in

the mantra indicates the number of mälä to be chanted.

 

Examples

1. Om namo bhagavate väsudeväya

Number of words: 4

Number of akñaras: 12

Seat of the Mantra Devatä: 8th house

Number of mälä: 4

The energy of the mantra is drawn from the 4th house, the hådaya of the

devotee, and is invested in the 12th house, which is the paramam padam of

Viñëu. Hence dvädaçäkñaré mantras are very sätvik, as the energy from

all

such mantras are offered at the feet of Viñëu, the 12th house representing

the feet in the natural zodiac. The Mantra Devatä sits in the 8th house,

cleansing our sins accumulated from our past births due to nija doña, for

till the sins are burned one cannot embark on the mokña märga. Who else but

Viñëu can burn our sins? The mantra spans the mokña trikoëa, indicating

that dvädaçäkñaré mantras are aimed towards mokña.

2. Om namaù çiväya

Number of words: 3

Number of akñaras: 6

Seat of the Mantra Devatä: 9th house

Number of mälä: 3

The strength of the 3rd house is used to cleanse the ñaòripus represented

in the 6th house. This cleansing is important before one can embark upon

the path of dharma, which is the 9th house, the seat of the Mantra Devatä.

It is Çiva alone who has the capacity to drink the poison of his devotees

and digest it, and that is why he is known as Hara (one who removes sins),

Nélakaëöha, the Blue-Throated One, blue because he has drunk the poison of

the ripus of his devotees so that they can proceed on the dharma märga.

3. Namah Çiväya

Number of words: 2

Number of akñaras: 5

Seat of the Mantra Devatä: 8th House

Number of mälä: 2

 

 

The energy for this mantra is drawn from the 2nd house, the väca sthäna.

All that is spoken, seen and eaten is transformed into knowledge in the 5th

house. This knowledge is crucial for negating the ignorance accumulated

over one’s past births, embedded in the 8th house. This ignorance is that

of satya, of not realizing the truth, which can only come from the light of

gyäna that shines through the 5th house of the natural zodiac. This gyäna

is nothing but Brahmagyäna and none other than Çiva can bless us with this

knowledge. Hence the païcäkñaré mantra of Çiva bestows knowledge and

siddhi.

 

Best regards,

 

Sarbani

 

 

ramesh mishra [aarceemastro2002]

Monday, March 21, 2005 8:15 PM

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Mantra Devta

 

Respected Sanjay Rath Ji,

Pranaam,

Thanks for sparing your valuable time for me. Now I could get the concept

of approaching the appropriate houses where mantra devta should sit and to

strengthen that house mantra jaap should be done. We should bear in mind

that jaap should be done with the accurate syallables. But , while giving

example of" Namah Shivaaya" mantra ,you have omitted the word "Om".

This ommission is necessary or om is not prefixed namah shivaaya.

However we shall meet next Sunday till then Pranaam.

Ramesh Mishra

 

Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Ramesh Mishra ji

Namaste

 

The mantra you state is the most famous Narayana astakshari. Astakshari

means eight akshara.

Example -1:

om na-mo naa-raa-ya-Naa-ya

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 8 akshara [Akshara = energy

inflow, final result] = 8th house

1 2 3 = 3 words [Words = energy

outflow, start of count] = 3rd house

Now count from 3rd house to 8th house, we get 6 houses

Now count as many houses from the 8th house. In this example we got 6

houses, so when we count six houses from 8th house, we get Lagna as the

answer.

Final result = Naarayana is in LAGNA.

 

So the mantra devata Narayana sits in lagna and the recitation of this

mantra gives good health, protection from all evils, long life and clear

intellect. It is the greatest mantra for lagna suddhi and is one of the

three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. The greatest strength of this

mantra is that it removes all kinds of nija dosha indicated by the 8th

house or 8th lord and makes the lagna very strong.

 

Now study the dhyana or the meditation of the mantra devata. It starts as

'dhyaye sadaa savitrimandala madhyavarti Naaraayana..' and the reference

is to the Sun which is the significator of Lagna and that Naraayana is in

the centre of the solar orb.

 

The best mantras of the devatas always fall in the correct houses

indicated for them. Then such mantra are called Prasiddha mantra and such

mantra can only be originally given by the seers as they alone had such

great sight and knowledge.

 

Example -2:

 

na-mah shi-vaa-ya

1 2 3 4 5 = 5 akshara = 5th house

1 2 = 2 words = 2nd house

Count from 2nd house to 5th house, we get 4 houses

Now count 4 houses from 5th house and we get 8th house. This is the house

of Rudra and the panchakshari mantra has the power to give great knowledge

as it cleanses the fifth house and finally this causes protection from all

evils of 8th house where Shiva sits to protect you and grant longevity.

 

In this manner study the following

1. Surya astakshari

om ghri-ni suu-ry-aa-di-tya

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 8 akshara

1 2 3 = 3 words

Mantra devata = 1st house (Lagna)

What happens when this is pronounced differently by breaking surya and

aaditya

om ghri-ni suu-rya aa-di-tya

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8= 8 akshara

1 2 3 4 = 4 words

Mantra devata = 12th house in marana karaka sthana

See the change how the position of the mantra devata changes from Lagna to

the 12th house which is the marana karaka sthana for Sun.

Thus while reciting the mantra if the words are not spelt jointly as

indicated it can do a lot of harm.

 

Exercise

1. om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya

2. om namah shivaaya

3. om kshraum namo bhagavate narasimhaaya

4. om bhur namo bhagavate vyankateshaaya

5. brm brhaspataye namah

6. om namo bhagavate rudraaya

7. om namo bhagavate mahaamatsyaaya

8. gajamukha siddhirastu

9. hare raama krsNa

10. om hrim shrim krim paramesvari kaalike svaahaa

11. om namo bhagavate akuparaaya

12. vyam vedavyaasaaya namah

 

...just a start. I will give more exercise when we meet next sunday and

explain from charts how to choose.

 

With best wishes and warm regards,

Sanjay Rath

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ramesh mishra [aarceemastro2002]

Monday, March 21, 2005 2:25 PM

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Respected Sanjay Rath Ji, and Sarbani Ji,

Pranaam,

I attended your lectures on the abovementioned topic delivered by you on

March 20, 2005. I could not have a clear concept on Mantra Devta. It is

therefore requested that kindly spare few minutes for me and for list

members as well to clarify the doubts.

Mantra devta resides in the 4th house and the chosen mantra should be

started from 4th house only .Is it correct ?

Take for example I have selected a mantra viz".OM NAMO NARAYANAAYA ".

This mantra has 3 words and 9 characters. If I start from 4th house then I

have to go forward 3 houses away from fourth i.e.6th house and then again

nine houses away from sixth house which comes to second house.Or,

Should I start from 3rd house because this mantra has three words and go

three houses away from 3rd house i.e.5th house and then nine houses away

from 5th house i.e. Lagna.By choosing either of the method what is the

result in respect of second house or lagna.

While thinking about the selection of devta I am stuck up here regarding

selection of the appropriate mantra. Please spare for me to make it clear

concept with example.

Thanks and Pranaam,

Ramesh Mishra

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

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23 March 2005 13:38

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12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

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sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401~ om tat sat ~Thank you for

maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the

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for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

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Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

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Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

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25 March 2005 00:18

 

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Om Gurave Namah

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12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

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12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

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10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

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23 March 2005 13:38

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varahamihira; sarbani (AT) (DOT) org

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

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Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

Thanks for your reply. I was just wondering if too strong a Dharma devata can

make a person judgemental... As you have rightly pointed out, I feel that since

the 9th house from Karakamsa is naturally the 10th house from Ishta devata, it

would represent the dharma-karma one needs to fulfil before qualifying for the

grace of Ishta.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading

today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

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[Guest guest]

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that life.Please help me to understand

which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in

D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it isplaced

good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi

(Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it is correct then which Mantra is

good for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is

3rd swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah

Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th

swara from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur

Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with

respect to my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members,

Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; ‘Shivoham’.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#003300"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com

[tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com]

23 March 2005 13:38

To:

vedic astrology

Cc: ;

varahamihira; sarbani (AT) (DOT) org

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; ‘Shivoham’.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining

the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today

[Guest guest]

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that

is not what i meant.

The

worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The

worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are

required to get moksha.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:olive"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 17:54

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Ramesh,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self

is anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual

calibre of Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of

mahaa vaakyas like "Shivoham", then strengthening AK has

no impact on the native's prospects of moksha, because the native is already

jeevan-muktha.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Members, Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#003300"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005

2:27

AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com]

23 March 2005 13:38

To:

vedic astrology

Cc: ;

varahamihira; sarbani (AT) (DOT) org

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in

thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading

today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are

always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me

answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:teal"> &

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

26 March 2005 06:14

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go

of attachment?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self

and others. As long as the "I" remains, so will the differences and

the posiibility of shadripus coming into play.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that

is not what i meant.

The

worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The

worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others

completely.

 

BOTH are

required to get moksha.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:olive"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 17:54

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Ramesh,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self

is anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual

calibre of Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of

mahaa vaakyas like "Shivoham", then strengthening AK has

no impact on the native's prospects of moksha, because the native is already

jeevan-muktha.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Members, Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#003300"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005

2:27 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com]

23 March 2005 13:38

To:

vedic astrology

Cc: ;

varahamihira; sarbani (AT) (DOT) org

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.

New">(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in

thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading

today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit

of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma

is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the

Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail just like

an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that the past Manas

attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself doesn’t feel

any emotion.

 

The Atma carries

these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW mana in the next

birth, the NEW mana will TRY

to interpret these various emotions and experiences which are posited in the

Atma. On one level it causes the person to have certain phobias and desires for

this birth dependant on the Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain

weaknesses and diseases in the body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a

third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when

the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like Shiva, the

Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to discern

between good and bad.

 

So

basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:purple"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

26 March 2005 09:35

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question

like this either :--))

12.0pt">

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant

and deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and

always whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses

& feelings etc and coaxes the body into both pure and impure

thoughts /actions, depending on influences.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing?

Or do we think that they are synonymous?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

 

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are

always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me

answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:teal"> &

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

26 March 2005 06:14

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go

of attachment?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self

and others. As long as the "I" remains, so will the differences and

the posiibility of shadripus coming into play.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that

is not what i meant.

The

worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The

worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others

completely.

 

BOTH are

required to get moksha.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:olive"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 17:54

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Ramesh,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self

is anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual

calibre of Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of

mahaa vaakyas like "Shivoham", then strengthening AK has

no impact on the native's prospects of moksha, because the native is already

jeevan-muktha.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Members, Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#003300"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005

2:27 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com]

23 March 2005 13:38

To:

vedic astrology

Cc: ;

varahamihira; sarbani (AT) (DOT) org

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

 

 

 

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That ‘s a brilliant answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must

pardon the dealy in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full

of God, guests, laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of

the glass it passes through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass

through a pink glass (my goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in

thinking that the light is pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is

again white. Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially

is like Akasa, then the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured

glass. It is this vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the

birth of the Soul in a new body… perhaps that’s why the combination of

Jupiter+Saturn is called as Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why

Saturn causes the debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a

body. Do you think it could be because of this reason, when “Ha”, the Akasa

beeja and “Ra” the Agni beeja are combined in words like “Hara”, Hari” or

“Hora” ….basically these words represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwas…and

this could be the reason for Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends.

Astrology again teaches us that Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has

no impact on Soul. Hence it follows that the mana and the body are more likely

to reflect and act out the karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail

just like an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that

the past Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself

doesn’t feel any emotion.

 

The Atma carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW

mana in the next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like

Shiva, the Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to

discern between good and bad.

 

So basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

09:35Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

 

bold">RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading

today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for

animals.

New'">(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.

New">(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in

thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

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[Guest guest]

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please

do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is a

separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not have

its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi

mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for

the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your

viewpoint.

One is

that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established in

the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi cannot

percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself to be

different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament, and must

be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is

why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we imagine an

eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color of the eight

petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma, whilst the flame

in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual color, and hence its

own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are mixed.

 

The

other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down at

the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

12.0pt">>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather

don’t you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#333300"> & http://astrovisti.com

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

28 March 2005 18:49

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant

answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must pardon the dealy

in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full of God, guests,

laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always

thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of the glass it passes

through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass through a pink glass (my

goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in thinking that the light is

pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is again white. Next time I make

the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true blue...but will it

carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are

a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially is like Akasa, then

the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured glass. It is this

vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the birth of the Soul in a

new body perhaps thats why the combination of Jupiter+Saturn is called as

Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why Saturn causes the

debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like

manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a body. Do you think it

could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa beeja and

Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like

Hara, Hari or Hora .basically these words

represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is

more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this could be the reason for

Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology again teaches us that

Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact on Soul. Hence it

follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect and act out the

karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit

of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma

is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the

Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail just like

an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that the past

Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself doesnt

feel any emotion.

 

The Atma

carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW mana in the

next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a

third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when

the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like Shiva, the

Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to discern

between good and bad.

 

So

basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:purple"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

26 March 2005 09:35

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question

like this either :--))

12.0pt">

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant

and deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and

always whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses

& feelings etc and coaxes the body into both pure and impure

thoughts /actions, depending on influences.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing?

Or do we think that they are synonymous?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

 

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are

always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me

answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Visti Larsen

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10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:teal">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:teal"> &

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

26 March 2005 06:14

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go

of attachment?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self

and others. As long as the "I" remains, so will the differences and

the posiibility of shadripus coming into play.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that

is not what i meant.

The

worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The

worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others

completely.

 

BOTH are

required to get moksha.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:olive"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 17:54

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Ramesh,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self

is anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual

calibre of Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of

mahaa vaakyas like "Shivoham", then strengthening AK has

no impact on the native's prospects of moksha, because the native is already

jeevan-muktha.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

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Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Members, Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#003300"> & http://astrovisti.com

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005

2:27 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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Om

Gurave Namah

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12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

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12.0pt">Lakshmi

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Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

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23 March 2005 13:38

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[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

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(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

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animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

 

 

 

 

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

Small Business - Try

our new resources site!

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

Dear Lakhsmi & Visti,

 

Atma has no colour, it is pure like light. Trying to understand atma or

paramatma is like trying to see yrself with a binoculer - which is never

possible. We can only get a glimpse of it by understanding the logic of the

scriptures.

 

Best regards,jk

 

jk.dasgupta 112 Thacker Tower, Sector 17, VashiNavi Mumbai, Maharastra,

IndiaTel: 022-27894843, 9821185749Tel/Fax: 022-27893783

 

 

-

Visti Larsen

 

Tuesday, March 29, 2005 18:28

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is

a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not

have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your viewpoint.

One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established

in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi

cannot percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself

to be different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament,

and must be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are

mixed.

 

The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down

at the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true

blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather don’t you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 28 March 2005

18:49Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must

pardon the dealy in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full

of God, guests, laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of

the glass it passes through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass

through a pink glass (my goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in

thinking that the light is pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is

again white. Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially

is like Akasa, then the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured

glass. It is this vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the

birth of the Soul in a new body perhaps thats why the combination of

Jupiter+Saturn is called as Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why

Saturn causes the debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a

body. Do you think it could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa

beeja and Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like Hara, Hari or

Hora .basically these words represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this

could be the reason for Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology

again teaches us that Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact

on Soul. Hence it follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect

and act out the karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail

just like an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that

the past Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself

doesnt feel any emotion.

 

The Atma carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW

mana in the next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like

Shiva, the Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to

discern between good and bad.

 

So basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

09:35Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that life.Please help me to understand

which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in

D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it isplaced

good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi

(Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it is correct then which Mantra is

good for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is

3rd swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah

Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th

swara from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur

Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with

respect to my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Visti: Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas.

There > is a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy

does not have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

 

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes

with everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all

of them.

 

Lakshmi: Precisely...you have stated the general problem precisely....that of

thinking that grahas and tattwas are different and separate. Now, if that were

so, why would Sage Parasara start the BPHS with gunas and tattwas? The planets

come much later and need to be understood in the context of the foregoing, and

not vice versa. If there is no relevance, why would Gurudeva start the jyotish

lessons with Srishti krama? Because all natal charts deal primarily with

creation...and this understanding is basic and vital to understanding of nature

of signs / planets / yogas...infact the whole gamut of jyotish. Parasara

intends that the tenor and efficacy of all permutations and combinations in the

chart be read against the background of predominant tattwa & guna of chart and

not in isolation.

 

Visti, I feel that Vaayu weakens Akasa (Saturn & Jupiter) , Agni in turn weakens

Vaayu (Mars & Saturn), jala weakens Agni ( Moon & Mars), jala in turn is

weakened by prithvi (Venus & Mercury) and Prithvi is weakened by Akasa (

Mercury &Jupiter)….isn’t the cycle complete and isn’t it correct? This

debilitation is because certain amount of energy / emotion is invested by

parent-tattwa in creating & nurturing a child-tattwa, and this leaves the

parent weaker and more vulnerable. And, it is the fond wish of all parents that

their child should overtake them and prove himself stronger. Ask me!

 

But Saturn, Venus and Mercury are friends too because they own signs of common

tattwas as do Sun, Jupiter, Mars and Moon. Can these relationships be explained

in any other terms than tattwa?

 

Visti: One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already

self-established in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says.

But Vyasa also says that this union between the atma and paramatma is not

apparent to the buddhi, and hence a sense of individuality is there.

 

Interestingly enough the buddhi cannot perceive without the atma, and hence

the perciever believes him/herself to be different from the paramatma as a

result. This is quite a predicament, and must be understood or even overcome

through meditation.

 

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors

are mixed.

 

Lakshmi: That’s indeed a lovely allegory, Visti…I am really lucky today to be

learning so much from my “Chota Guru” :--))

 

Sage Parasara also indicates in BPHS that intellect is born out of mahat tattwa

(sattwa) and ahamkara is born out of intellect and debilitates it (my logic

works here too!). As long as the intellect is held steadfast & saattwik, there

is no scope for ahamkara (differentiation) to seep through…and there is no

difference between Atma and Paramatma too.

 

Visti: The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated

down at the birth of the individual.

 

Rather don't you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

 

Lakshmi: Certainly the apparent colour is a product of multiple births, but for

that specific birth, that particular colour is static…only slight changes in

shades being permissible. Otherwise, there is no point in studying natal

charts, isn’t it? If there is to be a drastic change, I think the coloured

glass would come equipped to allow the change too.

 

Thank you, Visti…for all the time you are spending for us.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is

a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not

have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your viewpoint.

One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established

in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi

cannot percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself

to be different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament,

and must be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are

mixed.

 

The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down

at the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true

blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather don’t you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 28 March 2005

18:49Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must

pardon the dealy in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full

of God, guests, laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of

the glass it passes through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass

through a pink glass (my goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in

thinking that the light is pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is

again white. Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially

is like Akasa, then the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured

glass. It is this vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the

birth of the Soul in a new body perhaps thats why the combination of

Jupiter+Saturn is called as Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why

Saturn causes the debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a

body. Do you think it could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa

beeja and Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like Hara, Hari or

Hora .basically these words represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this

could be the reason for Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology

again teaches us that Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact

on Soul. Hence it follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect

and act out the karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail

just like an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that

the past Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself

doesnt feel any emotion.

 

The Atma carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW

mana in the next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like

Shiva, the Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to

discern between good and bad.

 

So basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

09:35Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

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Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

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Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

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tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

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sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

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Namaste JK Da,

 

You are absolutely right...atma is white and pure...we are only discussing the

apparent/illusion of tint given by progressive karma.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

"jk.dasgupta" <jk.dasgupta > wrote:

 

 

Dear Lakhsmi & Visti,

 

Atma has no colour, it is pure like light. Trying to understand atma or

paramatma is like trying to see yrself with a binoculer - which is never

possible. We can only get a glimpse of it by understanding the logic of the

scriptures.

 

Best regards,jk

 

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 18:28

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is

a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not

have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your viewpoint.

One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established

in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi

cannot percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself

to be different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament,

and must be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are

mixed.

 

The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down

at the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true

blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather don’t you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 28 March 2005

18:49Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must

pardon the dealy in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full

of God, guests, laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of

the glass it passes through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass

through a pink glass (my goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in

thinking that the light is pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is

again white. Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially

is like Akasa, then the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured

glass. It is this vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the

birth of the Soul in a new body perhaps thats why the combination of

Jupiter+Saturn is called as Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why

Saturn causes the debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a

body. Do you think it could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa

beeja and Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like Hara, Hari or

Hora .basically these words represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this

could be the reason for Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology

again teaches us that Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact

on Soul. Hence it follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect

and act out the karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail

just like an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that

the past Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself

doesnt feel any emotion.

 

The Atma carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW

mana in the next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like

Shiva, the Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to

discern between good and bad.

 

So basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

09:35Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one

free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become

a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading

today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading

today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

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Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for

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become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

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not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed

- do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading

today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining

the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3)

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi,

Namaskar

I don’t

understand what you use the tattvas and gunas for. I was taught how to use them

under separate discernment, offcourse with the grahas correspondences, but your

logic doesn’t sink in with me, so i am choosing not to get confused and

will listen to what i learnt.

 

As for

the atmas color. The color that it has for this birth is the color that it took

with it at the time of death in the previous birth – you seem to agree

with this. Hence that color will also carry the samskaras of the last birth

which the mana is interacting with. So i guess we have an agreement!

Best

wishes,

***

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

29 March 2005 18:53

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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Om Gurave Namah

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12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

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Visti:

Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There

> is a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the

philosophy does not have its basis in anything related to exaltation or

debilitation.

 

Prithvi

mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes

with everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha

of all of them.

 

Lakshmi: Precisely...you

have stated the general problem precisely....that of thinking that grahas and

tattwas are different and separate. Now, if that were so, why would Sage

Parasara start the BPHS with gunas and tattwas? The planets come much later and

need to be understood in the context of the foregoing, and not vice versa. If

there is no relevance, why would Gurudeva start the jyotish lessons with

Srishti krama? Because all natal charts deal primarily with creation...and this

understanding is basic and vital to understanding of nature of signs / planets

/ yogas...infact the whole gamut of jyotish. Parasara intends that the

tenor and efficacy of all permutations and combinations in the chart be read

against the background of predominant tattwa & guna of chart and not

in isolation.

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12.0pt">Visti, I feel that Vaayu weakens Akasa (Saturn & Jupiter) , Agni in

turn weakens Vaayu (Mars & Saturn), jala weakens Agni ( Moon & Mars),

jala in turn is weakened by prithvi (Venus & Mercury) and Prithvi is

weakened by Akasa ( Mercury &Jupiter).isnt the cycle complete and

isnt it correct? This debilitation is because certain amount of energy /

emotion is invested by parent-tattwa in creating & nurturing a

child-tattwa, and this leaves the parent weaker and more vulnerable. And,

it is the fond wish of all parents that their child should overtake

them and prove himself stronger. Ask me!

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But Saturn, Venus and

Mercury are friends too because they own signs of common tattwas as do Sun,

Jupiter, Mars and Moon. Can these relationships be explained in any other terms

than tattwa?

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Visti: One is that

you obviously seem to know that the atma is already

self-established in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa

says. But Vyasa also says that this union between the atma and

paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi, and hence a sense of

individuality is there.

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Interestingly

enough the buddhi cannot perceive without the atma, and hence the

perciever believes him/herself to be different from the paramatma as

a result. This is quite a predicament, and must be understood or even

overcome through meditation.

 

This is

why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we imagine

an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The

color of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is

the paramatma, whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and

has its own individual color, and hence its own streak of

individuality. But infact the two colors are mixed.

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12.0pt">Lakshmi: Thats indeed a lovely allegory, VistiI am

really lucky today to be learning so much from my Chota

Guru :--))

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Sage Parasara also indicates in BPHS that intellect is born out of

mahat tattwa (sattwa) and ahamkara is born out of intellect and debilitates it

(my logic works here too!). As long as the intellect is held steadfast

& saattwik, there is no scope for ahamkara (differentiation) to seep

throughand there is no difference between Atma and Paramatma too.

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Visti:

The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated

down at the

birth of the individual.

 

Rather

don't you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple

births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

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12.0pt">Lakshmi: Certainly the apparent colour is a product of multiple

births, but for that specific birth, that particular colour is staticonly

slight changes in shades being permissible. Otherwise, there is no point in

studying natal charts, isnt it? If there is to be a drastic

change, I think the coloured glass would come equipped to allow the

change too.

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12.0pt">Thank you, Vistifor all the time you are spending for us.

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12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

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Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please

do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is a

separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not have

its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi

mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for

the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your

viewpoint.

One is

that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established in

the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi

cannot percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself

to be different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament,

and must be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is

why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we imagine an

eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color of the eight

petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma, whilst the flame

in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual color, and hence its

own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are mixed.

 

The

other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down at

the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

12.0pt">>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather

dont you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#333300"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

28 March 2005 18:49

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

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Om

Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant

answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must pardon the dealy

in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full of God, guests,

laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always

thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of the glass it passes

through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass through a pink glass (my

goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in thinking that the light is

pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is again white. Next time I make

the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true blue...but will it

carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are

a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially is like Akasa, then

the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured glass. It is this

vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the birth of the Soul in a

new body perhaps thats why the combination of Jupiter+Saturn is called as

Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why Saturn causes the

debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like

manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a body. Do you think it

could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa beeja and

Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like

Hara, Hari or Hora .basically these words

represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is

more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this could be the reason for

Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology again teaches us that

Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact on Soul. Hence it

follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect and act out the

karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

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Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit

of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma

is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the

Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail just like

an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that the past

Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself doesnt

feel any emotion.

 

The Atma

carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW mana in the

next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret

these various emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one

level it causes the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth

dependant on the Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and

diseases in the body seen from the Trimsamsa.

On a

third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when

the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like Shiva, the

Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to discern

between good and bad.

 

So

basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best

wishes,

***

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26 March 2005 09:35

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question

like this either :--))

12.0pt">

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant

and deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and

always whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses

& feelings etc and coaxes the body into both pure and impure

thoughts /actions, depending on influences.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing?

Or do we think that they are synonymous?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

 

Visti Larsen

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are

always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me

answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best

wishes,

***

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26 March 2005 06:14

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go

of attachment?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self

and others. As long as the "I" remains, so will the differences and

the posiibility of shadripus coming into play.

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12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that

is not what i meant.

The

worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The

worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others

completely.

 

BOTH are

required to get moksha.

Best

wishes,

***

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">lakshmi ramesh

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25 March 2005 17:54

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Ramesh,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self

is anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual

calibre of Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of

mahaa vaakyas like "Shivoham", then strengthening AK has

no impact on the native's prospects of moksha, because the native is already

jeevan-muktha.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Members, Namaskar

Its

apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The

deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The

Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea and

does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra given

by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Ramesh

Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com]

25 March 2005 13:50

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Does praying to AK take you away from

Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Friday, March 25, 2005

2:27 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is

a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd

house from Navamsa Lagna.

Another

name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is; Vigyanaamsa, which

gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never advise against worship

of the dharma devata.

As for

Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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[b_lakshmi_ramesh ]

25 March 2005 00:18

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

Om

Gurave Namah

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Namaste Visti,

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either

AK or lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper

the prospect of moksha?

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12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Lakshmi

12.0pt">

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Tushankar, Namaskar

First let

me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for

you.

Secondly;

Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the world, thats

why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he could achieve

the freedom of India.

The Ishta Devata has a different purpose, namely to teach us that the reliving

of all these desires in the world will merely bind us for more births. So the

Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated and get moksha. That is why Chandra

Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose

according to what you are seeking.

Best

wishes,

***

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[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hi All

See this

chart.

(See

attached file: Tushankur.jhd)

Sun is Ista

Devta

Shukra is

Dharma Devta

As per

Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or Dharma Devta as

in the case

of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger leading him to

accomplish

his Dharma for that life.

Please help

me to understand which is stronger in this chart -

Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)

Shukra is

making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in exchange with Jup. (it is

placed good

in Libra in D-1)

In my

opinion - Shukhra is strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataar

for Shukra -

Dharma Devta)

If it is

correct then which Mantra is good for me where Mantra Devta name

should start

from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd swara from my first name

(Tushankur)

swara - uu.

If I recite

'Om Namah Shivaaya' for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it is

not good as

'Shiv' has 5th swara from my first swara....am I correct?

Currently -

I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam' gayatri...Can somebody analyse

this mantra

benefits/bad aspects with respect to my chart?

thanks &

regards

Tushankur

9810041401

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Visti,

 

No problem.

 

I was just pondering on the basic pure nature of soul and the impact of past

samskaras, through the very apt process of creation...

 

You are lucky that you stayed with Guruji and learnt many things, while we folks

ceaselessly knock around, trying our best to to understand those very ambivalent

things. Anyway, I guess I would continue to ponder and trouble you with my

million questions...after all, it's a congenital defect:--))

 

Thank you for a very stimulating discussion.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

I don’t understand what you use the tattvas and gunas for. I was taught how to

use them under separate discernment, offcourse with the grahas correspondences,

but your logic doesn’t sink in with me, so i am choosing not to get confused and

will listen to what i learnt.

 

As for the atmas color. The color that it has for this birth is the color that

it took with it at the time of death in the previous birth – you seem to agree

with this. Hence that color will also carry the samskaras of the last birth

which the mana is interacting with. So i guess we have an agreement!

Best wishes,

***

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 29 March 2005

18:53Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Visti: Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas.

There > is a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy

does not have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

 

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes

with everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all

of them.

 

Lakshmi: Precisely...you have stated the general problem precisely....that of

thinking that grahas and tattwas are different and separate. Now, if that were

so, why would Sage Parasara start the BPHS with gunas and tattwas? The planets

come much later and need to be understood in the context of the foregoing, and

not vice versa. If there is no relevance, why would Gurudeva start the jyotish

lessons with Srishti krama? Because all natal charts deal primarily with

creation...and this understanding is basic and vital to understanding of nature

of signs / planets / yogas...infact the whole gamut of jyotish. Parasara

intends that the tenor and efficacy of all permutations and combinations in the

chart be read against the background of predominant tattwa & guna of chart and

not in isolation.

 

Visti, I feel that Vaayu weakens Akasa (Saturn & Jupiter) , Agni in turn weakens

Vaayu (Mars & Saturn), jala weakens Agni ( Moon & Mars), jala in turn is

weakened by prithvi (Venus & Mercury) and Prithvi is weakened by Akasa (

Mercury &Jupiter).isnt the cycle complete and isnt it correct? This

debilitation is because certain amount of energy / emotion is invested by

parent-tattwa in creating & nurturing a child-tattwa, and this leaves the

parent weaker and more vulnerable. And, it is the fond wish of all parents that

their child should overtake them and prove himself stronger. Ask me!

 

But Saturn, Venus and Mercury are friends too because they own signs of common

tattwas as do Sun, Jupiter, Mars and Moon. Can these relationships be explained

in any other terms than tattwa?

 

Visti: One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already

self-established in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says.

But Vyasa also says that this union between the atma and paramatma is not

apparent to the buddhi, and hence a sense of individuality is there.

 

Interestingly enough the buddhi cannot perceive without the atma, and hence

the perciever believes him/herself to be different from the paramatma as a

result. This is quite a predicament, and must be understood or even overcome

through meditation.

 

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors

are mixed.

 

Lakshmi: Thats indeed a lovely allegory, VistiI am really lucky today to be

learning so much from my Chota Guru :--))

 

Sage Parasara also indicates in BPHS that intellect is born out of mahat tattwa

(sattwa) and ahamkara is born out of intellect and debilitates it (my logic

works here too!). As long as the intellect is held steadfast & saattwik, there

is no scope for ahamkara (differentiation) to seep throughand there is no

difference between Atma and Paramatma too.

 

Visti: The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated

down at the birth of the individual.

 

Rather don't you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

 

Lakshmi: Certainly the apparent colour is a product of multiple births, but for

that specific birth, that particular colour is staticonly slight changes in

shades being permissible. Otherwise, there is no point in studying natal

charts, isnt it? If there is to be a drastic change, I think the coloured

glass would come equipped to allow the change too.

 

Thank you, Vistifor all the time you are spending for us.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Please do not mix the grahas exaltation/debilitation with the Tattvas. There is

a separate way of using the Grahas and Tattvas, and the philosophy does not

have its basis in anything related to exaltation or debilitation.

Prithvi mixes with everyone but Vayu, and vice versa. Similarly Agni mixes with

everyone but Jala, and vice versa. Akasha can pacify the sambandha of all of

them.

 

As for the color of the atma. Two things strike my mind when i try to understand your viewpoint.

One is that you obviously seem to know that the atma is already self-established

in the absolute or paramatma. This is also what Vyasa says. But Vyasa also says

that this union between the atma and paramatma is not apparent to the buddhi,

and hence a sense of individuality is there. Interestingly enough the buddhi

cannot percieve without the atma, and hence the perciever believes him/herself

to be different from the paramatma as a result. This is quite a predicament,

and must be understood or even overcome through meditation.

This is why when we are taught about the imagery of the hrdaya chakra, we

imagine an eight petalled lotus with a flame burning in the center. The color

of the eight petals surrounding the flame are white and is the paramatma,

whilst the flame in the middle is the jeevatma and has its own individual

color, and hence its own streak of individuality. But infact the two colors are

mixed.

 

The other is that you seem to imply that the color of the atma was slated down

at the birth of the individual. This seems to be implied by this question:

>>Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would look true

blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

Rather dont you think that color was made over a period of time, possibly

multiple births, and is also right now undergoing a change slowly? I seriously

doubt that the color is static.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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***

lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 28 March 2005

18:49Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste.

 

That s a brilliant answer and opens up very interesting possibilities. You must

pardon the dealy in my replying because i have had a very hectic weekend...full

of God, guests, laughter and music!

 

Visti, I had always thought of Atma as white light, which takes on the hue of

the glass it passes through. Now, suppose, if I look at light which I pass

through a pink glass (my goodness, what taste!), i am perfectly justified in

thinking that the light is pink. But when the glass is removed, the light is

again white. Next time I make the light pass through a blue glass, it would

look true blue...but will it carry with it the pink shades?

 

I feel past samskaras are a part of aggregate karma phala. If Atma essentially

is like Akasa, then the past samskaras are like Vaayu tattwa or the coloured

glass. It is this vaayu tattwa or karma phala which is responsible for the

birth of the Soul in a new body perhaps thats why the combination of

Jupiter+Saturn is called as Brahma Yoga. This could also be another reason why

Saturn causes the debilitation of Jupiter.

 

Agni tattwa is like manifest Akasa tattwa, and represents a Soul inhabiting a

body. Do you think it could be because of this reason, when Ha, the Akasa

beeja and Ra the Agni beeja are combined in words like Hara, Hari or

Hora .basically these words represent the Manifest form of the Unmanifest?

 

Now, this karma phala, is more likely to impact jala and prithvi tattwasand this

could be the reason for Saturn, Venus and Mercury being great friends. Astrology

again teaches us that Vaayu is debilitated against Fire and hence has no impact

on Soul. Hence it follows that the mana and the body are more likely to reflect

and act out the karmic implications and not the Soul.

As Lord Sri Krishna explained in Bhagavadgita, the Atma is like the thread that

runs through many pearls (births) and connects them, but the thread itself

remains totally non-reactive.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

Its a bit of both. Let me explain;

 

The Atma is itself supposed to be unborn and constant. The Atma is driven by the Manas.

 

Now the Atma also does not forget anything. It remembers every little detail

just like an uneditted film recording. It also does not forget the emotion that

the past Manas attached to the various experiences, though the atma itself

doesnt feel any emotion.

 

The Atma carries these emotions and experiences, and when the atma gets a NEW

mana in the next birth, the NEW mana will TRY to interpret these various

emotions and experiences which are posited in the Atma. On one level it causes

the person to have certain phobias and desires for this birth dependant on the

Shastyamsa. On another level it causes certain weaknesses and diseases in the

body seen from the

Trimsamsa.

On a third level this causes the person to undergo certain experiences and has

certain tendencies depending on which planet is ATMAKARAKA, or which sign is

KARAKAMSA.

 

So when the Atmakaraka undergoes this purification process of becoming like

Shiva, the Mana begins to understand these unconscious tendencies and learns to

discern between good and bad.

 

So basically it looks as if one is purifying the experiences that the past mana

had. But these experiences are carried by the Atma, hence the focus on the Atma

itself.

 

Best wishes,

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

09:35Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Let's say that there aren't many around whom I can question like this either :--))

Atma is like the Sun, and is pure in itself. That's why it's constant and

deathless. The eclipse we see is also an apparent darkening, and not real,

because Soul can never be touched or tarnished, as it is unmanifest and always

whole. That's what Sri Krishna says in Bhagavadgita.

 

On the other hand, manas (moon) is the repository of senses & feelings etc and

coaxes the body into both pure and impure thoughts /actions, depending on

influences.

 

Now, is it the manas or the Atma which needs cleansing? Or do we think that they

are synonymous?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

You are always the first one to ask me questions like this.

Let me answer this way. When you have cleansed your Atma you become like Shiva.

Best wishes,

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 26 March 2005

06:14Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Visti,

 

Namaste. Can the self be totally cleansed or purged, without letting go of attachment?

 

He is a pure person, who does not differentiate between self and others. As long

as the "I" remains, so will the differences and the posiibility of shadripus

coming into play.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

No, that is not what i meant.

The worship of the Atmakaraka purifies/purges the self completely.

The worship of the Ishta Devata helps remove the attachment to the self and others completely.

 

BOTH are required to get moksha.

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

17:54Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Ramesh,

 

As per my understanding, since Ishta devata can be found from 12th from

Karakamsa, it indicates loss of self...or loss of awareness of self and a

dissolution of soul in the Super Soul. Since AK represents self and the

individual soul in the chart, I thought that strengthening AK /self is

anti-moksha. If however, as Visti said, some one is of the spiritual calibre of

Adi shankara and truly understands the total egolessness of mahaa vaakyas like

"Shivoham", then strengthening AK has no impact on the native's prospects of

moksha, because the native is already jeevan-muktha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Members, Namaskar

Its apparent that a serious misunderstanding is taking place here.

The deity whose purpose is to take you towards moksha is the Ishta devata. All

other deities can also lead one there. But the main purpose comes from the

Ishta Devata.

 

The Atmakaraka or Karakamsa can be worshipped as Shiva. This is not a bad idea

and does make one extremely spiritual. This is in conformity with the mantra

given by Sri Adi Sankara, namely the word; Shivoham.

Best wishes,

***

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Ramesh Gangaramani [ramesh.gangaramani (AT) york (DOT) com] 25 March

2005 13:50Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Mantra Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

 

Dear Visti and Lakshmi,

Does praying to AK take you away from Moksha? Shall appreciate if you can kindly explain?

Regards

Ramesh

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]Friday, March 25, 2005 2:27 AMTo:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta

Excercise - My chart

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Lakshmi, Namaskar

This is a funny question coming from you. I would never advise anyone against

worshipping their Dharma Devata, especially if Karakamsa is in the 2nd house

from Navamsa Lagna.

Another name for the Dharma Devata according to Chanda Kala Nadi is;

Vigyanaamsa, which gives a very high level of knowledge. So i would never

advise against worship of the dharma devata.

As for Moksha... very few people who worship the Ishta Devata get moksha as it is!

Best wishes,

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lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] 25 March 2005

00:18Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra

Devta Excercise - My chart

 

Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Visti,

 

Happy Holi. I have a small doubt. If Dharma Devata happens to be either AK or

lagna lord, will praying to / strengthening Dharma Devata hamper the prospect

of moksha?

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Tushankar, Namaskar

First let me say that the Savitur Gayatri contains NO errors or flaws and is a must for you.

Secondly; Dharma Devata is used to help us achieve our souls purpose in the

world, thats why people like Mahatma Gandhi worshipped his Dharma Devata so he

could achieve the freedom of India. The Ishta Devata has a different purpose,

namely to teach us that the reliving of all these desires in the world will

merely bind us for more births. So the Ishta Devata teaches us to be liberated

and get moksha. That is why Chandra Kala Nadi calls this; Jeevanamukta-amsa.

Choose according to what you are seeking.

Best wishes,

***

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tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com [tushankur.saroha (AT) xansa (DOT) com] 23

March 2005 13:38vedic astrologyCc:

; varahamihira;

sarbani (AT) (DOT) orgSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Mantra Devta Excercise -

My chart

 

Hi AllSee this chart.(See attached file: Tushankur.jhd)Sun is Ista DevtaShukra

is Dharma DevtaAs per Sanjay ji - look at whether Ishta Devta is Strong or

Dharma Devta asin the case of Mahatma Gandhi - Dharma Devta was stronger

leading him toaccomplish his Dharma for that

life.Please help me to understand which is stronger in this chart -Surya is in

Kendra in D-9 (debilitated in D-1)Shukra is making Malavya Yoga in D-9 and in

exchange with Jup. (it isplaced good in Libra in D-1)In my opinion - Shukhra is

strong & one should go for Laxmi (Vishnu Avataarfor Shukra - Dharma Devta)If it

is correct then which Mantra is good

for me where Mantra Devta nameshould start from 'O' like 'Omkar' as it is 3rd

swara from my first name(Tushankur) swara - uu.If I recite 'Om Namah Shivaaya'

for my Ista Devta 'Shiv' or 'Surya' - it isnot good as 'Shiv' has 5th swara

from my first swara....am I correct?Currently - I recite 'Tatsavitur Varenyam'

gayatri...Can somebody analysethis mantra benefits/bad aspects with respect to

my chart?thanks & regardsTushankur9810041401

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