Analysing the house, analysing the lord

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Dear list members, Namaskar,

When a house in a chart is empty of planets, we can look to it's lord and

we can look at the aspects on the house. The somewhat elementary

question is - does either of these get priority, or does it depend only

on the strength of the planets lording/aspecting?

For example, if we're looking at the 10th house in the D-10, and the

house is empty. Should we consider first the planets aspecting (rasi

dristi) that house to determine what career is likely, or should we look

at the planets influencing the lord of this house? Or both?

Of course we would also consider the nature of the sign itself - but

naturally planetary influences will have a significant

contribution.

My thinking is that the planetary influences on a house itself (i.e., by

placement or aspect) will have a different effect to the influences on

the lord of that house (regardless of whether the house is empty or

not). But I'm not clear what the difference will be. The

lord, I think, represents the animated form, while the house/rasi alone

does not. So my guess it that the influences on the house would

tell us about the nature of the house (so for career, it would tell us

the type industry - government service, military, comms etc.), while the

influence on the lord would tell us the manner in which we carry out that

signification - with respect to our interactions (our specific job

- technician, sales assistant, driver etc.). This is based on the

analyses I've read in the list archives.... but I'm not sure...

I would be grateful for comments and guidance regarding this type of

analysis.

Thank you,

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Comments below. Good questions.

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17 March 2005 06:56

 

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Analysing the house, analysing the lord

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Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear list members, Namaskar,

When a house in a chart is empty of planets, we can look to it's lord and we

can look at the aspects on the house. The somewhat elementary question is

- does either of these get priority, or does it depend only on the strength of

the planets lording/aspecting?

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">[Visti] It really depends on what we are

looking at, but know that the lord is the one who will finally decide the

result. If the lord of a house is weak, it can definitely destroy the house,

but malefics in the house may only cause damage. This is why the entire

marriage is totally dependant on the planet lording the 2nd from UL.

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For example, if we're looking at the 10th house in the D-10, and the house is

empty. Should we consider first the planets aspecting (rasi dristi) that house

to determine what career is likely, or should we look at the planets

influencing the lord of this house? Or both? Of course we would

also consider the nature of the sign itself - but naturally planetary

influences will have a significant contribution.

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">[Visti] Here we have a very particular

situation. We are no longer looking for the strength of a house, but an order

of significance as we are looking at the various jobs which will come. Guruji

taught this in London;

First

know the order of houses, 6th, 10th and 2nd

is the order of the houses which will indicate your work/job.

In

a particular house, the jobs will come in the order of sign (and occupants),

lord and then aspects (Rasi dristi). Using this order you can understand

which jobs came and in which order.

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My thinking is that the planetary influences on a house itself (i.e., by

placement or aspect) will have a different effect to the influences on the lord

of that house (regardless of whether the house is empty or not). But I'm

not clear what the difference will be. The lord, I think, represents the

animated form, while the house/rasi alone does not. So my guess it that

the influences on the house would tell us about the nature of the house (so for

career, it would tell us the type industry - government service, military,

comms etc.), while the influence on the lord would tell us the manner in which

we carry out that signification - with respect to our interactions (our

specific job - technician, sales assistant, driver etc.). This is based

on the analyses I've read in the list archives.... but I'm not sure...

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">[Visti] There is some truth to this. When

you find a particular planet indicating a job, you have alot of choices as to which

area it is in. i.e. Ketu can indicate mathematics, jyotish, realestate and even

elephants. The dispositor of ketu will give the particular field. i.e. if the

dispositor is joined Mars, then definitely real-estate. But, these methods i

feel requires some more work, atleast from my side.

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I would be grateful for comments and guidance regarding this type of analysis.

Thank you,

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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Dear Vistiji, Namaskar,

Thank you for your guidance. Please allow me to clarify my

understanding:

First know the order of

houses, 6th, 10th and 2nd is the order of the houses which will indicate

your work/job. In a particular house, the

jobs will come in the order of sign (and occupants), lord and then

aspects (Rasi dristi). Using this order you can understand which jobs

came and in which order. 1. Does this mean the first job will be seen from the 6th

house and not from the 10th? More specifically, it will be seen

from the sign/planets in the 6th house?

2. In this order of houses, does the 10th house get the greatest

importance in terms of the most significant job (or contribution to

society) we will have - or does it depend on other factors?

3. Let me try my chart as an example - using (for now) the 10th house in

D-10. 10th house is Gemini, without any planets in it. So we

consider only Gemini for now. This would indicate something to do

with communications/writing.

For the next job, we consider aspects. Yipes! There's the

aspect of Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Mars and Venus. This could mean a

multitude of things! Jupiter, Ketu are there, and Mars for

discrimination, so maybe even something to do with Jyotish? In such

a case should I be looking at these planets in order of strength?

And the next job would be indicated by the lord. The lord is

Mercury in a Venusian sign (Taurus) with no aspects. This could

again mean writing - but with an artistic angle. Perhaps some form

of literature or something...

 

Is this the correct way of looking at it?

As far as determining jobs goes, how far should I also take into account

the 10th house in the Rasi chart? Will it change the work I do, or

more who I do it for and why I do it (if that makes any sense)? My

10th in D-1 has the Sun and the Moon, which, if the do influence the job

itself, would drastically change the above analysis.

It is becoming apparent to me that if this analysis is correct, then the

transition from one 'job' to the next might not necessarily be immediate

- but gradual (or even combined) in accordance with the dashas in

effect.

But you said that the 6th house will come first - so before I get to

these jobs, I'll probably be doing something else, right?

I'm thinking that the order of houses could also show that most of us

have to start our career with some form of service (6th), before it moves

on to a possibly more independent job (10th) where earnings may be

higher, followed by retirement of sorts, perhaps helping out the family

etc. (2nd). Don't know if that's logical, just sharing my train of

thought...

Pranaam,

Samir

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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Samir, Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">First sign, then lord, then aspects.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">We start from the 6th, then 10th,

ending with 2nd.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">10th shows what we were

trained to do... usually we do not become presidents on the first day of work –

so we start from 6th.

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah

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18 March 2005 08:48

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Analysing the house, analysing the lord

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Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar,

Thank you for your guidance. Please allow me to clarify my understanding:

mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">First know the

order of houses, 6th, 10th and 2nd is the order of the houses which will

indicate your work/job.

mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">In a particular

house, the jobs will come in the order of sign (and occupants), lord and

then aspects (Rasi dristi). Using this order you can understand which jobs

came and in which order.

12.0pt">1. Does this mean the first job will be seen from the 6th house and

not from the 10th? More specifically, it will be seen from the

sign/planets in the 6th house?

2. In this order of houses, does the 10th house get the greatest

importance in terms of the most significant job (or contribution to society) we

will have - or does it depend on other factors?

3. Let me try my chart as an example - using (for now) the 10th house in

D-10. 10th house is Gemini, without any planets in it. So we

consider only Gemini for now. This would indicate something to do with

communications/writing.

For the next job, we consider aspects. Yipes! There's the aspect of

Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Mars and Venus. This could mean a multitude of

things! Jupiter, Ketu are there, and Mars for discrimination, so maybe

even something to do with Jyotish? In such a case should I be looking at

these planets in order of strength?

And the next job would be indicated by the lord. The lord is Mercury in a

Venusian sign (Taurus) with no aspects. This could again mean writing -

but with an artistic angle. Perhaps some form of literature or

something...

 

Is this the correct way of looking at it?

As far as determining jobs goes, how far should I also take into account the

10th house in the Rasi chart? Will it change the work I do, or more who I

do it for and why I do it (if that makes any sense)? My 10th in D-1 has

the Sun and the Moon, which, if the do influence the job itself, would

drastically change the above analysis.

It is becoming apparent to me that if this analysis is correct, then the transition

from one 'job' to the next might not necessarily be immediate - but gradual (or

even combined) in accordance with the dashas in effect.

But you said that the 6th house will come first - so before I get to these

jobs, I'll probably be doing something else, right?

I'm thinking that the order of houses could also show that most of us have to

start our career with some form of service (6th), before it moves on to a

possibly more independent job (10th) where earnings may be higher, followed by

retirement of sorts, perhaps helping out the family etc. (2nd). Don't

know if that's logical, just sharing my train of thought...

Pranaam,

Samir

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar.

Thank you. I very much appreciate your concise and to-the-point

answers. Makes me have to work :-)

I have another question: does a similar set of rules apply for

education? I know primary/secondary education is seen from the 5th,

and higher education is seen from the 9th house (and D-24), so if we

count another 5 houses, then we get to Lagna... Which is

interesting should it be the case.

Does the order of sign, lord, aspects also apply here?

Pranaam,

Samir

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

First sign, then lord, then aspects.

We start from the 6th, then 10th, ending with

2nd.

10th shows what we were trained to do... usually we do not

become presidents on the first day of work so we start from

6th.

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

[Guest guest]

II Hare Rama Krsna II

 

Dear Samir,

Namaste,

 

I want to clarify one point:

 

 

> Thank you. I very much appreciate your concise and to-the-point

> answers. Makes me have to work :-)

>

> I have another question: does a similar set of rules apply for

> education? I know primary/secondary education is seen from the 5th,

and

> higher education is seen from the 9th house (and D-24), so if we count

> another 5 houses, then we get to Lagna... Which is interesting

should it

 

 

4H is for primary school, and 9H is for bachelors.

2H is for master degree and 7H is for PHD.

5H is for hobbies.

 

with regards,

Rafal

[Guest guest]

|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Rafal, Namaskar,

Thank you for the correction. Seems I haven't been paying proper

attention somewhere! Do you know whether the order of sign, lord

and aspects applies to these houses?

Best wishes,

Samir

At 11:44 19/03/2005, you wrote:

Dear Samir,

Namaste

I want to clarify these things:

> I have another question: does a similar set of rules apply for

> education? I know primary/secondary education is seen from the

5th,

and

> higher education is seen from the 9th house (and D-24), so if we

count

> another 5 houses, then we get to Lagna... Which is

interesting

should it

> be the case.

4H is primary school, while 9H is bachelor degree, 2H is for

master-degree and 7H is for PHD. 5H is for hobbies. Lagna is for

attitude and "You" in education.

with regards,

Rafal

[Guest guest]

Dear Samir,

Namaste,

 

>

> Thank you for the correction. Seems I haven't been paying proper

attention

> somewhere! Do you know whether the order of sign, lord and aspects

applies

> to these houses?

 

Yes.

 

My 9H in Siddha-amsa is Scorpio, One lord I have Mars with Saturn

which gave me engineering, and second lord is Ketu with Rahu which

gave me philosophy. I resign from engineering (mars in mks), and stick

to Philosophy studies as this fits with my hobbies (ra/ke in 5H in d-24).

 

with regards,

Rafal

[Guest guest]

|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Rafal, Namaskar,

Thanks for that. You showed how the two lords gave different

successive education for you. Now the question is, prior to either

of these, did you learn something related only to the Rasi in

question, and any planets posited there? And after both of those,

have you been learning something with respect only to the aspects

on that house?

I want to understand whether the order that Vistiji gave for studying

career also applies with education.

Best wishes,

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

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"jyotraff" <jyotraff >

Re: Analysing the house, analysing the lord

Dear Samir,

Namaste,

>

> Thank you for the correction. Seems I haven't been paying

proper

attention

> somewhere! Do you know whether the order of sign, lord and

aspects

applies

> to these houses?

Yes.

My 9H in Siddha-amsa is Scorpio, One lord I have Mars with Saturn

which gave me engineering, and second lord is Ketu with Rahu which

gave me philosophy. I resign from engineering (mars in mks), and

stick

to Philosophy studies as this fits with my hobbies (ra/ke in 5H in

d-24).

with regards,

Rafal