Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Visiti, Answers 1)My Guruji HeetRatanaMuni is Jain,a student of Acharya Shri RamSurishwar MaharajSaheb. 2)In 1998,but he was not my Astrology Guru,He is my Spiritual Guru and living ascetic life last 19 years. 3)I started astrology as all astrologer's prediction were going wrong for my chart, so as I was Engg student and decided Why not explore this part of science or technical subject too.So I started from there.While studying I wasn't invovled much,After 2002 Aug I was more focused as Studies got over and Work started. I feel happy if I am able to help them combining astrology and Spiritually both from my Learnings. I have seen ,How amazing it is planets change there positions and change one's life and Karmas.It is like a thrid eye to look into future and free will to control it. As you said popular philosophy of Astrology,Let me tell you, what ever we are saying,If it holds truth and accepted by thousands of people, than this one also become philosophy for others. Scripture or Shastra are nothing but What people are describing by there experience and through there Spiritual Activity at that time.As planets use to exalt those days and know also,so basics remains same.If you interview a people without studying shastras of a person with exalted Saturn,You will reach to almost same conclusion what they did.So it's not about contradiction,It is about a path or way that you choose.At the End there is only one path. Ask a researcher or analyst,who doesn't go by statements of others or old dictums,but proves them. Anything else required. To know more about Jainism,Please visit Jainstudy.org. --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Shripal, Namaskar > > Everyone has an astrological biography, and when > they write things which may > be contradicting with the popular philosophy of > Jyotish, it is necessary to > provide others with a good background as to why they > are saying the things > they do. > > So please do respect to your Guru and yourself by > providing us with the > following information: > > a) Name and Parampara of your Guru. > > b) When you started learning Jyotish. > > c) Why you started learning Jyotish. > > > > The above three points were compulsory in the > tradition of writing, when one > gave out a compilation. Infact the requirement in > those days was to also > name ones parents, wife and children, as well as the > gotra and kula. But i'm > sure all would suffice with reading the above three > points from you. > > If you would like to see my information it is posted > at: > http://www.srigaruda.com/about.htm and > http://.org/education/visti.htm > > > > Best wishes and looking forward to hear from you, > > > > > Visti Larsen > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > > <visti visti > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > Shripal [d_shripal] > 15 March 2005 07:15 > AyurvedJyotishYoga > [Om Krishna Guru] Re:2-Mark, & All, re.... > Astrology freedom & > determinism,...>Mark Kincaid 3/14 > > > > Hi Mark, > > As you said Astrology teaches us ,to be une in with > stars, as per your birth chart,I agree. > > But important thing is tuning in what way,Here I > have > got my own methods of rectifying one's life.See fate > is something which got to do it going to do.For a > time > being lets keep our Karmas of past aside ,because of > which we are born with such a chart. > > For example a person is having a Debiliated Saturn, > so > he has to go through lot's of > trouble,consequences,depressions,tension etc etc in > Life.So a suggestion that comes are probably to calm > oneself down,to meditate,to have patience etc etc. > > I will take that as one of a possibilities.Remedy to > come if we say is also a fate, than Free will never > exits.These are very contradict statement,but a two > faces of a same coin.Till it somes and we explore it > no one can ever know what we are destined for. > > As you said in tune with your planets.If a person is > having Exalted Jupiter,But due to malefic effects he > is a killer of peoples and Jupiter is a saviour,But > as > he doesn,'t know about that,he thinks he is doing > very > much right thing,by killing 2 to 3 people,he is > bringing a food for 100 people in a colony.So What > remedy for that person you will suggest.Is he in > tune > with planets, as nothing is depressing him, and > stopping him and believes in What ever he is doing. > > Or take a example of Big industrialist got one or 2 > exalted planets or might be having raj yoga,who > earns > million dollars,By gathering money from thousands > people and lastly show that he is in Loss and lives > his life happily,Is this person is in tune with > stars.He is doing what he believes in and happy > about > it.Is that what Astrology tells about in tune its > Stars. > > >From above 2 example What I want to say is, for a > person who's fate is down now,you suggest him to > meditate ,clamness etc etc, that is correct,But what > for a people who are going to be out of tune may be > in > Later life or life after death. > > So what I have learned from my Guruji, as he > says,What > stars got to do they do. They are not GOD or > something > great.But very mcuh a part of our life,which cannot > me > neglected.That doesn't mean you submit yourself to > them.Truth is we are not from this world and got to > get out from paying a debt to our Karmas.So path way > is only one,try to come closer ot that. > > You are rich or poor,got debiliated or exalted > planets,really doesn't matter,If you choose this > path, > you are above them and no one can harm you or make > you > happy or in other words no effects of planets. > > Always remember 2 things never remember any one that > has caused trouble to you and never forget who ever > has helped you in your life.Never forget truth about > GOD and DEATH. > > I believe Astrology suggest us,in tune with Stars > means being more and more Spiritual in Life,rather > than being rich or poor,fearful or > commanding,successful or unsuccessful.Better for > this > Life and Life after Death. > > > > > > --- n p <anju_purohit2000 wrote: > > > Dear Markji namaskar i totally agree with you this > > life is in continuos of our past life from here > > again we go forward or backward according to our > > karma good or bad but we cannot change our > destiny > > however hard we try yes to some extent we can > > change our thinking even that we ifare prepared to > > listen to our antaratma for what is right and what > > is wrong genarally we ignore it we listen to our > > atma only what we want to listen. > > anju > > > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > > Dear Shripal: > > > > See below: > > > > > > > > Hi ALL, > > > > I have always seen life is splitted with a two > paths > > at each and every turn of it and everyone has a > > choice > > of it's own.Now to think about it is my fate to > > choose > > a wrong one or a right one when you reach after a > > distant on that path is foolishness. > > > > What I think is there is nothing such as wrong > path > > or > > right path.It is more over time determine > factor.We > > are currently standing at a place with our whole > > past > > and looking towards future.Here past,just doesn't > > mean > > past of these Life,But life after Life(Karmas) and > > looking towards Life after Life in future. > > > > I slightly disagree with your words here. > > > > I believe Jyotish, especially, is all about 'right > > and wrong'. > > > > This planet is malefic and this other planet > better, > > is Jyotish's way of showing us the > > and here's the main point...'the relative' > > significance of our actions. > > > > Planets which are in their Own Signs, or even > > Exalted...are the 'best', because we're the > > most in-tune with nature in the ways of this > Planet. > > > > Therefore, Jyotish's value system or judgements, > are > > to teach us about how in-tune we are > > with life! > > > > Wow, that's a great point, hehe. > > > > So, if this is true, then, we use this natural > value > > system of Nature, to change ourselves, or our > > ways...and changeing and growing along the natural > > beneficness of every planet... > > > > will lead to our natural evolution! > > > > > > > > For example we consider for time being only this > > Life,A mother has to choose wether she wants ot be > > total devotee of a son or Husband or professional > > life > > etc etc.Every person having a time factor of 24hrs > a > > day is splitted into responsibilities.His life is > > scattered or divided into all these objects.Now > she > > knows what she is doing and what she is going > > through > > and I believe in Law of Nature,as you saw,so shall > > you > > get.But a same for a ascetic person it will be > > totally > > devoted to GOD and welfare of a people.So for him > > water in not the one in a sea,But the one in his > > Bowl,He has made his Life,you can say focused to a > > point. > > > > The key, whether a person is a house holder or > > ascetic, is... > > are we acting in-tune with our charts or STars... > > > > and if we are, then, that's great, and life moves > > naturally, progressively toward more and more.. > > > > But, if we're not, and we're receiving so-called > > negative consequences, like restlessness, > anxieties, > > or tirednesses, and sickness; then, Nature is > trying > > to show us, we need to do > > something differently. > > > > All the negatives, of life, which can be > associated > > with all the negative 'maleficnesses' of Jyotish, > > are there, to show us the ill of our ways... > > > > Once we decide to change, to adapt, and especially > > do something differently,... > > > > then we have a change to change and improve our > > lives! > > > > > > > > But for people like us there will always be right > > and > > Left path or wrong, till we learn from the wrong > > ones, > > we will never take a right path.And I believe in > > Karmas, that more you become focus on a prime > aspect > > of our existence, more we will take a right turn > in > > our life.And day will come when there will be no > > right > > or Left,But a straight road towards > destination.And > > that will be our destiny,destined for. > > > > I agree. > > > > Considering whether Astrology can give us a grip > > towards our Life,I will say yes.As you find more > and > > more malefics things in your chart and through > your > > free will and focus of mind to control it,you can > > change a timing of your destiny.That is every born > > person's in every Life destiny is defined,so it > > cannot > > be changed,But a time to achieve can be > > changed.Rather > > than taking to many births, in lesser time we can > > have > > it. > > > > I'm very reluctant to use the word destiny or fate > > to strongly. > > > > I believe, it's really the destiny or fate of all, > > to arrive in the state of no destiny or no fate, > > or the state of perfection. > > > > Perfection or enlightenment is our destiny, > > eventually, but it's not a karmic situation. > > > > It's the natural state of being, or our own > natures, > > and we're endowed with freedom, or > > some degree of 'it', so that we can freely choose > to > > go left or right,... > > > > And discover, what is more right,....for us, at > > every stage... > > > > What is more 'right' is that which is closer to > > Perfection! > > > > and these will be experienced by us, as more > > happiness, more clarity of mind, more power, and > > more naturalness. > > > > Un-right choices, lead to sickness, to stress, to > > pain, and all sufferings... > > > > Once we understand that Nature has a natural value > > system of right and wrong, to help us > > discover the more evolutionary or more right, > happy, > > direction, > > then, we can understand why we ever experience any > > sufferings... > > > > Nature seems to allow us one thing... > > > > To be able to do whatever we want! > > > > However, there's one rub! > > > > We are going to be held responsible for the > > consequences of those actions! > > > > This being the Nature of life, then, we are free > to > > evolve, or get stressed. > > > > The choice is up to us. > > > > > > > > It is like working very hard in a office and > getting > > promotion at a early age. > > > > Question will arise,whether this was our destiny,I > > will say,till you explorer yourself in these world > > of > > magic,power and illusions, you will never know > whom > > you are destined for.Free will of every person is > > always there, he knows it whether to go for it or > > not.It is a fear which blocks our path towards > > unknown. > > > > This is a good example. I believe it's in our > > Stars, or charts... to have the opportunity > > to being promoted. But, it's up to us, to work > > hard, and deserve that promotion. > > > > Think of people from wealthy backgrounds who have > > all the opportunities, laid out for them, > > but still they choose, to ignore those > opportunites, > > and to suffer. > > > > Whatever our situation, due to the karma of our > > charts, and lives.... > > we are free, to go up, ... and improve our > lives... > > or we are free, to stagnate, to feed our senses, > and > > follow our mistaken malefics... > > and go down.... > > > > The choice is up to us.... > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > > > > > Dear Durga: > > > > > > I think you're right. If we on the other hand, > > > believe somehow we're not > > > responsible for our actions, that others are, > > > including God, then we're > > > giving up our live's to others, and one of the > > > greatest problems I see in > > > life, and in Astrology, being 'blame' pops up. > > > > > > Those that blame others, keep themselves, in a > > very > > > perilous, and weakened > > > situation, vulnerable, and imprisoned, by > 'others' > > > including the Universe. > > > > > > But, the truth is that our charts show us that > our > > > lives, are predictable, > > > and being predictable, is rather, a good example > > of > > > 'karma' or actions & > > > predictable consequences, which was not meant to > > be > > > an example of 'fate' but > > > rather of freedom of choice, and evolution. > > > > > > Those individuals who cease their life, and own > up > > > the many various details > > > of their lives, and their charts, have the best > > > chance of gaining control > > > and becoming a success in life. > > > > > > Nice talking to you. > > > > > > take care > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > AyurvedJyotishYoga/ > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > AyurvedJyotishYoga > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Small Business - Try our new resources > site! > > > > "Love is the beauty of the soul""For it was not into > my ear you whispered, > but into my heart.It was not my lips you kissed, but > my soul." > > > > Tired of spam? 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