Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear group members my name is Julia and I come from Germany. I appreciate being able to join this group with so many members beyond my geographical vicinity. I have been doing western astrology for twelve years now and came across jyotish several weeks ago. I have been fascinated. The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish. My dates are 09 of december 1973 at 8.36 in Tuebingen/Germany (48n31, 9e02). If birth time is correct, I have a Scorpio ascendant in 29 degree. My lagna is in 2.56 Aries in the sixth house. The sun is in Scorpio, together with Mercury in the Lagna. The moon is opposite in the seventh in Rohini. The moon is hemmed in by malefics, Mars in the sixth and Saturn in the eigth. But it does get a trine influence from Jupiter in his fall in Capricorn. Jupiter is in the third together with Venus. Rahu is in the second in 5 degree Sagittarius. Does Jupiter aspect the Lagna? I read that if a fallen planet in the third house aspects the ascendant it is ameliorated. The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. I have a Pisces Lagna with Venus in it. Jupiter is in the third in Taurus. Now the question is whether this is a positive reception or not. Venus is a temporary malefic for Pisces ascendants but then it is elevated in Pisces. Mars here is in Vargottama in the second house in Aries, together with the moon. Rahu as the atmakara of the rashi is in the third house with Jupiter. Mercury in the seventh in Virgo, producing Mahapurusha yoga. Am I wrong here? Saturn is in the the tenth in Sagittarius. Dear members. How do you judge my rashi compared to the navamsha? Which one is stronger? Is the navamsha marred by the mutual reception of Jupiter and Venus or enhanced? Best wishes to everyone Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Julia, //The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination.// Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th house i.e. marriage, partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the natal chart! For example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but ill-placed in navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our members (Kundalika) has written an article on navamsha which you might find helpful. http://jyotishvidya.com/navamsa.htm For spiritual advancement you should consult the Vimshamsha (D20). //The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish.// This is understandable with exalted 9th lord Moon aspecting lagna :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "salbeibluete" <salbeibluete <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 4:03 PM Reception Dear group members my name is Julia and I come from Germany. I appreciate being able to join this group with so many members beyond my geographical vicinity. I have been doing western astrology for twelve years now and came across jyotish several weeks ago. I have been fascinated. The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish. My dates are 09 of december 1973 at 8.36 in Tuebingen/Germany (48n31, 9e02). If birth time is correct, I have a Scorpio ascendant in 29 degree. My lagna is in 2.56 Aries in the sixth house. The sun is in Scorpio, together with Mercury in the Lagna. The moon is opposite in the seventh in Rohini. The moon is hemmed in by malefics, Mars in the sixth and Saturn in the eigth. But it does get a trine influence from Jupiter in his fall in Capricorn. Jupiter is in the third together with Venus. Rahu is in the second in 5 degree Sagittarius. Does Jupiter aspect the Lagna? I read that if a fallen planet in the third house aspects the ascendant it is ameliorated. The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. I have a Pisces Lagna with Venus in it. Jupiter is in the third in Taurus. Now the question is whether this is a positive reception or not. Venus is a temporary malefic for Pisces ascendants but then it is elevated in Pisces. Mars here is in Vargottama in the second house in Aries, together with the moon. Rahu as the atmakara of the rashi is in the third house with Jupiter. Mercury in the seventh in Virgo, producing Mahapurusha yoga. Am I wrong here? Saturn is in the the tenth in Sagittarius. Dear members. How do you judge my rashi compared to the navamsha? Which one is stronger? Is the navamsha marred by the mutual reception of Jupiter and Venus or enhanced? Best wishes to everyone Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy thank you for your reply. I will go through Kundalika's article once again to try to find out a solution to the problem of reception between Jupiter and Venus. At a first glance I did not see the solution. But I know that the rules applying to rashi are the same as those of navamsha. Thank you for giving me the hint with Vimshamsha. I actually did calculate that chart at once but I think that the rules applying to this varga are different than those of rashi. Do you perhaps know them? I calculated without any software, but what I did find out was the following: All the planets are spread all over the chart. There is not a single conjunction in the chart. We have a Cancer rising/lagna, with the moon in Leo in the second house in opposition to the sun in Aquarius in the ninth. Venus is in the third house in its fall in Virgo. Rahu in the fifth in Scorpio, Saturn in the seventh in Capricorn, Jupiter in Aquarius in the eighth, the sun in the ninth in pisces, mercury in the tenth in Aries, Mars in the eleventh in Taurus. Best wishes Julia --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish schrieb: Dear Julia, //The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination.// Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th house i.e. marriage, partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the natal chart! For example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but ill-placed in navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our members (Kundalika) has written an article on navamsha which you might find helpful. http://jyotishvidya.com/navamsa.htm For spiritual advancement you should consult the Vimshamsha (D20). //The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish.// This is understandable with exalted 9th lord Moon aspecting lagna :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "salbeibluete" <salbeibluete <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 4:03 PM Reception Dear group members my name is Julia and I come from Germany. I appreciate being able to join this group with so many members beyond my geographical vicinity. I have been doing western astrology for twelve years now and came across jyotish several weeks ago. I have been fascinated. The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish. My dates are 09 of december 1973 at 8.36 in Tuebingen/Germany (48n31, 9e02). If birth time is correct, I have a Scorpio ascendant in 29 degree. My lagna is in 2.56 Aries in the sixth house. The sun is in Scorpio, together with Mercury in the Lagna. The moon is opposite in the seventh in Rohini. The moon is hemmed in by malefics, Mars in the sixth and Saturn in the eigth. But it does get a trine influence from Jupiter in his fall in Capricorn. Jupiter is in the third together with Venus. Rahu is in the second in 5 degree Sagittarius. Does Jupiter aspect the Lagna? I read that if a fallen planet in the third house aspects the ascendant it is ameliorated. The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. I have a Pisces Lagna with Venus in it. Jupiter is in the third in Taurus. Now the question is whether this is a positive reception or not. Venus is a temporary malefic for Pisces ascendants but then it is elevated in Pisces. Mars here is in Vargottama in the second house in Aries, together with the moon. Rahu as the atmakara of the rashi is in the third house with Jupiter. Mercury in the seventh in Virgo, producing Mahapurusha yoga. Am I wrong here? Saturn is in the the tenth in Sagittarius. Dear members. How do you judge my rashi compared to the navamsha? Which one is stronger? Is the navamsha marred by the mutual reception of Jupiter and Venus or enhanced? Best wishes to everyone Julia Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. _________ Gesendet von Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail..de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy I am sorry, I forgot to mention that the article did address my question: it says that mutual reception in the navamsha does strengthen the planets involved. But I was told in Germany that one has to evaluate the nature of those planets: that Venus was a temporary enemy of the Pisces lagna and that therefore this reception was bad, also because malefic houses were involved. In the article you mentioned though it is only mentioned as a strenghtening element. Best wishes to Australia, Julia --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish schrieb: Dear Julia, //The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination.// Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th house i.e. marriage, partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the natal chart! For example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but ill-placed in navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our members (Kundalika) has written an article on navamsha which you might find helpful. http://jyotishvidya.com/navamsa.htm For spiritual advancement you should consult the Vimshamsha (D20). //The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish.// This is understandable with exalted 9th lord Moon aspecting lagna :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "salbeibluete" <salbeibluete <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 4:03 PM Reception Dear group members my name is Julia and I come from Germany. I appreciate being able to join this group with so many members beyond my geographical vicinity. I have been doing western astrology for twelve years now and came across jyotish several weeks ago. I have been fascinated. The main problem for me is how to grasp the most important factors in the chart and I am especially interested in the spiritual side of jyotish. My dates are 09 of december 1973 at 8.36 in Tuebingen/Germany (48n31, 9e02). If birth time is correct, I have a Scorpio ascendant in 29 degree. My lagna is in 2.56 Aries in the sixth house. The sun is in Scorpio, together with Mercury in the Lagna. The moon is opposite in the seventh in Rohini. The moon is hemmed in by malefics, Mars in the sixth and Saturn in the eigth. But it does get a trine influence from Jupiter in his fall in Capricorn. Jupiter is in the third together with Venus. Rahu is in the second in 5 degree Sagittarius. Does Jupiter aspect the Lagna? I read that if a fallen planet in the third house aspects the ascendant it is ameliorated. The most interesting question for me is that of navamsha because it indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. I have a Pisces Lagna with Venus in it. Jupiter is in the third in Taurus. Now the question is whether this is a positive reception or not. Venus is a temporary malefic for Pisces ascendants but then it is elevated in Pisces. Mars here is in Vargottama in the second house in Aries, together with the moon. Rahu as the atmakara of the rashi is in the third house with Jupiter. Mercury in the seventh in Virgo, producing Mahapurusha yoga. Am I wrong here? Saturn is in the the tenth in Sagittarius. Dear members. How do you judge my rashi compared to the navamsha? Which one is stronger? Is the navamsha marred by the mutual reception of Jupiter and Venus or enhanced? Best wishes to everyone Julia Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. _________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger..de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Julia, Traditionally lordship is not considered in divisionals...although I too have done this (in the past) it's really not correct to do so as the vargas are simply a division of rasi. What we would say is "12th lord (rasi) gets exalted in navamsha" or "9th lord's dispositor is exalted in navamsha etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Ms julia philipp" <salbeibluete <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 7:35 PM Re: Reception Dear Mrs. Wendy I am sorry, I forgot to mention that the article did address my question: it says that mutual reception in the navamsha does strengthen the planets involved. But I was told in Germany that one has to evaluate the nature of those planets: that Venus was a temporary enemy of the Pisces lagna and that therefore this reception was bad, also because malefic houses were involved. In the article you mentioned though it is only mentioned as a strenghtening element. Best wishes to Australia, Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy, thank you very much for your reply. is it true that most people here live in India? And that you are in Australia? According to what you said and what I read in Kundalika's article, the reception of Venus and Jupiter is not bad? Venus is exalted in the lagna. Best wishes Julia --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish schrieb: Dear Julia, Traditionally lordship is not considered in divisionals...although I too have done this (in the past) it's really not correct to do so as the vargas are simply a division of rasi. What we would say is "12th lord (rasi) gets exalted in navamsha" or "9th lord's dispositor is exalted in navamsha etc.. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Ms julia philipp" <salbeibluete <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 7:35 PM Re: Reception Dear Mrs. Wendy I am sorry, I forgot to mention that the article did address my question: it says that mutual reception in the navamsha does strengthen the planets involved. But I was told in Germany that one has to evaluate the nature of those planets: that Venus was a temporary enemy of the Pisces lagna and that therefore this reception was bad, also because malefic houses were involved. In the article you mentioned though it is only mentioned as a strenghtening element. Best wishes to Australia, Julia Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. _________ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger..de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Dear Julia, //thank you very much for your reply. is it true that most people here live in India? And that you are in Australia?// There are people from all corners of the globe here including USA, Europe and India. The majority I would say are from India, and yes, I'm from Australia (Perth). Bit of a problem with the time difference as I'm usually sound asleep when (most) are enjoying their day. But the group, this one and the old one, have been going for around 5 yrs now and it seems to work out okay :-) //According to what you said and what I read in Kundalika's article, the reception of Venus and Jupiter is not bad? Venus is exalted in the lagna.// Every chart is unique of course and what applies to one doesn't necessarily apply to another...this is common-sense really :-) But, if we look closely at your chart, what we see (considering moolatrikona status) is a mutual aspect between exalted 12th lord and exalted 11th lord. This can be looked at in many ways of course. One view is 12th's governance of Moksha and 11th's governance of Gains...this encompasses all gains including material & non-material and represents the fulfilment of our hopes and wishes. Venus and Mercury are natural friends...although their mutual aspect renders them neutral. In rasi, Mercury (avoiding combustion) is conjunct 10th lord Sun and aspected by 9th lord Moon whilst Venus is conjunct karaka for 9th (Jupiter). Although Jupiter is debilitated in Capricorn, lagnesh Mars, exalted in Capricorn, occupies his moolatrikona sign in 4th from Jupiter (and) importantly, Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Moon) is exalted in sign of Venus...etc. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy, thanks for providing me with new insights into the nature of the charts. Are there any books that you recommend? I have Frawley's, Sutton's and a German author's. I guess I'll take a look at your homepage again. Yes, the time difference may shape the communication of this group, but you have been doing well for years. Is Australia a beautiful place? We have many factors to consider in a chart and thanks a lot, you really gave me some relief through what you said, one really should read the navamsha in connection with the rasi. And possibly there is no "final" interpretation of a chart. This is also what your words told me, when you said that every chart is unique. I will not be able to contribute to the group for the next two weeks, but this is no great harm, since all I did up to now was to ask questions. All the best for you and the whole group, Julia --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish schrieb: Dear Julia, //thank you very much for your reply. is it true that most people here live in India? And that you are in Australia?// There are people from all corners of the globe here including USA, Europe and India. The majority I would say are from India, and yes, I'm from Australia (Perth). Bit of a problem with the time difference as I'm usually sound asleep when (most) are enjoying their day. But the group, this one and the old one, have been going for around 5 yrs now and it seems to work out okay :-) //According to what you said and what I read in Kundalika's article, the reception of Venus and Jupiter is not bad? Venus is exalted in the lagna.// Every chart is unique of course and what applies to one doesn't necessarily apply to another...this is common-sense really :-) But, if we look closely at your chart, what we see (considering moolatrikona status) is a mutual aspect between exalted 12th lord and exalted 11th lord. This can be looked at in many ways of course. One view is 12th's governance of Moksha and 11th's governance of Gains...this encompasses all gains including material & non-material and represents the fulfilment of our hopes and wishes. Venus and Mercury are natural friends...although their mutual aspect renders them neutral. In rasi, Mercury (avoiding combustion) is conjunct 10th lord Sun and aspected by 9th lord Moon whilst Venus is conjunct karaka for 9th (Jupiter). Although Jupiter is debilitated in Capricorn, lagnesh Mars, exalted in Capricorn, occupies his moolatrikona sign in 4th from Jupiter (and) importantly, Jupiter's nakshatra lord (Moon) is exalted in sign of Venus...etc. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Terms of Service. _________ Gesendet von Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail..de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy That was a very good article summarizing all the various aspects. What if I have a afflicted Venus in Rasi (chandra lagna is same), - it is located in 12th house in Capricorn and is lord of 4th and 9th houses. But then Venus becomes exalted in Pisces in Navamsha. The only negative is its receving 7th aspect of Mars. Further, being a female, although Jupiter is afflicted by the presence of Rahu and mars in 7th house in rasi, in Navamsha, it is vargottama and its NOT receiving any malefic aspects? How do we then judge the character of Venus and Jupiter? jyotish-vidya, Ms julia philipp <salbeibluete> wrote: > > Dear Mrs. Wendy > > I am sorry, I forgot to mention that the article did > address my question: it says that mutual reception in > the navamsha does strengthen the planets involved. But > I was told in Germany that one has to evaluate the > nature of those planets: that Venus was a temporary > enemy of the Pisces lagna and that therefore this > reception was bad, also because malefic houses were > involved. In the article you mentioned though it is > only mentioned as a strenghtening element. > > Best wishes to Australia, > Julia > > > > --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish> schrieb: > > > > Dear Julia, > > //The most interesting question for me is that of > navamsha because it > indicates spiritual happiness or inclination.// > > Navamsha primarily gives us a closer look at 7th house > i.e. marriage, > partnerships etc. It's seen as a support to the natal > chart! For > example, a planet well-placed in natal chart but > ill-placed in > navamsha is weakened (and vice-versa). One of our > members (Kundalika) > has written an article on navamsha which you might > find helpful. > http://jyotishvidya.com/navamsa.htm For spiritual > advancement you > should consult the Vimshamsha (D20). > > //The main problem for me is how to grasp the most > important factors > in the chart and I am especially interested in the > spiritual side of > jyotish.// > > This is understandable with exalted 9th lord Moon > aspecting lagna :-) > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "salbeibluete" <salbeibluete> > <jyotish-vidya> > Monday, May 01, 2006 4:03 PM > Reception > > > Dear group members > > my name is Julia and I come from Germany. I appreciate > being able to > join this group with so many members beyond my > geographical vicinity. > > I have been doing western astrology for twelve years > now and came > across jyotish several weeks ago. I have been > fascinated. > > The main problem for me is how to grasp the most > important factors > in the chart and I am especially interested in the > spiritual side of > jyotish. > > My dates are 09 of december 1973 at 8.36 in > Tuebingen/Germany > (48n31, 9e02). > > If birth time is correct, I have a Scorpio ascendant > in 29 degree. > My lagna is in 2.56 Aries in the sixth house. > The sun is in Scorpio, together with Mercury in the > Lagna. > The moon is opposite in the seventh in Rohini. The > moon is hemmed in > by malefics, Mars in the sixth and Saturn in the > eigth. But it does > get a trine influence from Jupiter in his fall in > Capricorn. Jupiter > is in the third together with Venus. > Rahu is in the second in 5 degree Sagittarius. > > Does Jupiter aspect the Lagna? I read that if a fallen > planet in the > third house aspects the ascendant it is ameliorated. > > The most interesting question for me is that of > navamsha because it > indicates spiritual happiness or inclination. > I have a Pisces Lagna with Venus in it. Jupiter is in > the third in > Taurus. Now the question is whether this is a positive > reception or > not. Venus is a temporary malefic for Pisces > ascendants but then it > is elevated in Pisces. > Mars here is in Vargottama in the second house in > Aries, together > with the moon. Rahu as the atmakara of the rashi is in > the third > house with Jupiter. > Mercury in the seventh in Virgo, producing Mahapurusha > yoga. Am I > wrong here? > Saturn is in the the tenth in Sagittarius. > > Dear members. How do you judge my rashi compared to > the navamsha? > Which one is stronger? Is the navamsha marred by the > mutual > reception of Jupiter and Venus or enhanced? > > Best wishes to everyone > Julia > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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