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To all learned members,

 

I can offer the charts from our Jyotish-Vidya database "Astro

Charts" section, where one will find 4 charts relating to suicide.

 

They are the musician/Hard Rock Band Player - Kurt Cobain

 

Antonin Artaud - codes

 

Sylvia Plath - poet and essay author

 

Virginia Woolf - poet and author

 

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

p.s. I have lots more charts to up load (from a variety of

backgrounds)but it will take time. lst to verify all data, to the

best of my knwledge and research, then to offer it to Jyotish-Vidya

for others to apprive and study

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Dear Uttara,

 

Many thanks for reminding me of those charts...they'd completely

slipped my mind, I'm afraid :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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"muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya>

Monday, May 01, 2006 2:43 PM

Factors for Suicide

 

 

To all learned members,

 

I can offer the charts from our Jyotish-Vidya database "Astro

Charts" section, where one will find 4 charts relating to suicide.

 

They are the musician/Hard Rock Band Player - Kurt Cobain

 

Antonin Artaud - codes

 

Sylvia Plath - poet and essay author

 

Virginia Woolf - poet and author

 

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

p.s. I have lots more charts to up load (from a variety of

backgrounds)but it will take time. lst to verify all data, to the

best of my knwledge and research, then to offer it to Jyotish-Vidya

for others to apprive and study

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Dear Wendy,

 

Quite alright. Time has a way of slipping by. This past month has been

monumental in responsibility and affect. And.....

 

Glad I could be of some help.

 

Each of these charts are quite compelling in of themselves! Wouldn't you

agree?!

 

In the meantime, mother is holding her own after such a terrible scare (x3).

 

Hope all is going well with you and your family.

 

Always a pleasure to stay in touch

 

And, learn from Jyotish Vidya and all its members!

 

As always,

Uttara

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

Dear Uttara,

 

Many thanks for reminding me of those charts...they'd completely

slipped my mind, I'm afraid :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya>

Monday, May 01, 2006 2:43 PM

Factors for Suicide

 

 

To all learned members,

 

I can offer the charts from our Jyotish-Vidya database "Astro

Charts" section, where one will find 4 charts relating to suicide.

 

They are the musician/Hard Rock Band Player - Kurt Cobain

 

Antonin Artaud - codes

 

Sylvia Plath - poet and essay author

 

Virginia Woolf - poet and author

 

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

p.s. I have lots more charts to up load (from a variety of

backgrounds)but it will take time. lst to verify all data, to the

best of my knwledge and research, then to offer it to Jyotish-Vidya

for others to apprive and study

 

 

 

 

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most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

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Dear Uttara,

 

//In the meantime, mother is holding her own after such a terrible

scare (x3).//

 

That's certainly good to hear:-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"Uttara" <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:43 PM

Re: Factors for Suicide

 

 

Dear Wendy,

 

Quite alright. Time has a way of slipping by. This past month has

been monumental in responsibility and affect. And.....

 

Glad I could be of some help.

 

Each of these charts are quite compelling in of themselves!

Wouldn't you agree?!

 

In the meantime, mother is holding her own after such a terrible

scare (x3).

 

Hope all is going well with you and your family.

 

Always a pleasure to stay in touch

 

And, learn from Jyotish Vidya and all its members!

 

As always,

Uttara

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

Dear Uttara,

 

Many thanks for reminding me of those charts...they'd completely

slipped my mind, I'm afraid :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Dear Patrice and All,

 

I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social science theory but

I think adds to the astrological reasoning behind some charts we encounter.

Especially our families.

 

Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini Sun. I often say

she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also very autocratic and

opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people just got on with things and

didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I have often found this to be a direct

reaction to the severity of the depression era of the 30's and then the

atrocities of World War 11. Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this

depression era, teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

lives that were bigger than them. That’s where the 12-step program came to say

that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness and support. It

was a kind of new religion to help pull men from the depths of despair.

 

Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his stoic Denmark

ancestry lead him to be his own person.

 

Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and often didn’t

return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those that did survive the

hell came back with a new outlook on life and the majority got on with life.

Never to develop fraternity again.

 

Women during the war came out of the house and into the factory to work – to

help supply the goods needed for war. That is where women wearing pants

developed and was allowed. Every thing was rationed, so material for clothing

was harder and sturdier – so pants came into being and were cheaper. Also in

factory work, pants were need for safety and endurance rather than dresses.

Pants became the uniform of the War.

 

Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept of “being powerless”.

All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an obsession in self-help

advice and personal stories of people overcoming adversity for peace and

contentment. Personal prosperity was touted everywhere. Women went back to

their kitchens, dresses, and deferring roles.

 

However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers were raised and

what expectations were required? There were four themes going on. One to have

a more relaxed permissive society, (this is where entitlement was bred – don’t

you just love Dr Spock) two, the sky’s the limit, three, gratefulness was

instilled instead of apathy. And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed

doors raising their daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men.

The fifty’s believed it. The sixty’s teenagers rebelled against the fifties

restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming for their autonomy and

the eighties saw young college degreed women in the workplace. The nineties

reaped the backlash and the 21-century so far in America is entitled happy and

throwing all the common sense rules for civility out the window.

 

So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it really was a

different time of living and thinking and believing. I think the more adversity

and sacrifice they encountered and the more deferment required, the more they

built their own reservoirs for survival. There are some who were able to keep

their capacity to nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and protected. And

like my mother and some others I know, they became very narcissistic.

 

My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted sister, but in

reality, my mother’s thinking and feeling was and is one where she provided this

child with a better life and gave her opportunities and education and a roof

over her head that my sister has never been able to return in kindness to my

mother. As far as having any empathy for a broken soul theory – there is none.

That and my mother’s intolerance of my sister’s chaotic inner soul is written

off as complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of her blood.

Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives with completely different

experiences.

 

I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will change, as it

ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop through another six years. I

hope my mother isn’t living then. She like my mother in law need to go their

graves to find peace and happiness.

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

 

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you...As we let our own light shine, we

unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated

from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

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Dear friend,

 

 

I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me tell

two general points with regard to the suicides:

 

 

The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native. Generally,

the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be severely

afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

 

The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord should

be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the transit

chart also.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

>

> Dear Patrice and All,

>

> I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning behind

some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

>

> Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini Sun. I

often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also very

autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of the

depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their lives

that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came to

say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from the

depths of despair.

>

> Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

>

> Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and often

didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and the

majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

>

> Women during the war came out of the house and into the factory to

work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where women

wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was rationed, so

material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the uniform of

the War.

>

> Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept of "being

powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

and deferring roles.

>

> However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers were

raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of apathy.

And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming for

their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in the

workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

rules for civility out the window.

>

> So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it really

was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

very narcissistic.

>

> My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted sister,

but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one where

she provided this child with a better life and gave her opportunities

and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never been

able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any empathy

for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

with completely different experiences.

>

> I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then. She

like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and happiness.

>

> As Always,

> Uttara

>

>

>

> "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light,

not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened

about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To

Love: by Marianne Williamson

>

>

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

>

>

>

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Dear Sh. Kishore Patnaik,

 

Thanks for these valuable points on suicides.

I will study the same with reference to the charts too, and get back

to you on this.

 

Just now I checked these with reference to Sylvia Plath's chart and

things fall into place. Need to study other charts as well.

 

Regards,

 

Neena

jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan"

<kishore_future wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

>

> I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

tell

> two general points with regard to the suicides:

>

>

> The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

Generally,

> the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

severely

> afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

> Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

>

> The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

should

> be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

transit

> chart also.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

>

> jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Patrice and All,

> >

> > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

behind

> some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> >

> > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

Sun. I

> often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

very

> autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

> just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

> have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

the

> depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

> Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

lives

> that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came

to

> say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

> and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from

the

> depths of despair.

> >

> > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> >

> > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

often

> didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

> that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and

the

> majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> >

> > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

factory to

> work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

women

> wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

rationed, so

> material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

> being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

> safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

uniform of

> the War.

> >

> > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

of "being

> powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

> obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

> was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

> and deferring roles.

> >

> > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

were

> raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

> going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

> where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

> sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

apathy.

> And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

> daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming

for

> their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in

the

> workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

> far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

> rules for civility out the window.

> >

> > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

really

> was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

> the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

> very narcissistic.

> >

> > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

sister,

> but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

where

> she provided this child with a better life and gave her

opportunities

> and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

been

> able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

empathy

> for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

> mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

> her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

> with completely different experiences.

> >

> > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

She

> like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

happiness.

> >

> > As Always,

> > Uttara

> >

> >

> >

> > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

> deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light,

> not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

enlightened

> about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

> fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

To

> Love: by Marianne Williamson

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Uttara and List,

 

Quite a powerful post Uttara, along with the view of our parents history and

time here in the US. Thanks for sharing this.

 

Kindest regards,

Patrice

 

 

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Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:54 AM

patricecurry

Fwd: Re: Factors for Suicide

 

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni

wrote:

 

Dear Patrice and All,

 

I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning behind

some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

 

Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini Sun. I

often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

very autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where

people just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them

openly. I have often found this to be a direct reaction to the

severity of the depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities

of World War 11. Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this

depression era, teaching men how to cope better with events and

things in their lives that were bigger than them. That's where the

12-step program came to say that one was "powerless over" and taught

fraternity of likeness and support. It was a kind of new religion

to help pull men from the depths of despair.

 

Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

 

Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and often

didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and

the majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

 

Women during the war came out of the house and into the factory to

work - to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where women

wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was rationed,

so material for clothing was harder and sturdier - so pants came

into being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need

for safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

uniform of the War.

 

Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept of "being

powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

and deferring roles.

 

However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers were

raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

where entitlement was bred - don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

apathy. And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising

their daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men.

The fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming

for their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women

in the workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-

century so far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the

common sense rules for civility out the window.

 

So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it really

was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

very narcissistic.

 

My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted sister,

but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

where she provided this child with a better life and gave her

opportunities and education and a roof over her head that my sister

has never been able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as

having any empathy for a broken soul theory - there is none. That

and my mother's intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is

written off as complete belligerence and added to that, she is not

connected to my mother in any depth because as my mother says, this

child is not of her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out

for two lives with completely different experiences.

 

I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then. She

like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

happiness.

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

 

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure

around you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give

other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from

our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A

Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

 

 

 

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Dear Kishore,

 

 

 

Thank you for your information and post, very interesting. Will check this

out as well.

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Patrice

 

 

 

_____

 

jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya]

On Behalf Of kishore mohan

Sunday, May 07, 2006 11:49 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Factors for Suicide

 

 

 

Dear friend,

 

 

I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me tell

two general points with regard to the suicides:

 

 

The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native. Generally,

the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be severely

afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

 

The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord should

be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the transit

chart also.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote:

>

> Dear Patrice and All,

>

> I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning behind

some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

>

> Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini Sun. I

often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also very

autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of the

depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their lives

that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came to

say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from the

depths of despair.

>

> Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

>

> Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and often

didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and the

majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

>

> Women during the war came out of the house and into the factory to

work - to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where women

wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was rationed, so

material for clothing was harder and sturdier - so pants came into

being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the uniform of

the War.

>

> Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept of "being

powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

and deferring roles.

>

> However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers were

raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

where entitlement was bred - don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of apathy.

And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming for

their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in the

workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

rules for civility out the window.

>

> So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it really

was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

very narcissistic.

>

> My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted sister,

but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one where

she provided this child with a better life and gave her opportunities

and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never been

able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any empathy

for a broken soul theory - there is none. That and my mother's

intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

with completely different experiences.

>

> I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then. She

like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and happiness.

>

> As Always,

> Uttara

>

>

>

> "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light,

not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing enlightened

about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To

Love: by Marianne Williamson

>

>

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

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>

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Dear ms neena and patrice,

 

My pleasure to be of help. please check for all the charts and please

let me know whether I points I have enumerated here hold good in all

the cases.

 

regards,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

-- In jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sh. Kishore Patnaik,

>

> Thanks for these valuable points on suicides.

> I will study the same with reference to the charts too, and get back

> to you on this.

>

> Just now I checked these with reference to Sylvia Plath's chart and

> things fall into place. Need to study other charts as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

> jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan"

> <kishore_future@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> >

> > I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

> tell

> > two general points with regard to the suicides:

> >

> >

> > The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

> Generally,

> > the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> > tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

> severely

> > afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> > possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection of

> > Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> > position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

> >

> > The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

> should

> > be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> > position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

> transit

> > chart also.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice and All,

> > >

> > > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> > science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

> behind

> > some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> > >

> > > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

> Sun. I

> > often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

> very

> > autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where people

> > just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them openly. I

> > have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

> the

> > depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War 11.

> > Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> > teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

> lives

> > that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program came

> to

> > say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of likeness

> > and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men from

> the

> > depths of despair.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> > stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> > >

> > > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

> often

> > didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again. Those

> > that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life and

> the

> > majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> > >

> > > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

> factory to

> > work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

> women

> > wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

> rationed, so

> > material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came into

> > being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need for

> > safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

> uniform of

> > the War.

> > >

> > > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

> of "being

> > powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became an

> > obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> > overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal prosperity

> > was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens, dresses,

> > and deferring roles.

> > >

> > > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

> were

> > raised and what expectations were required? There were four themes

> > going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this is

> > where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two, the

> > sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

> apathy.

> > And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising their

> > daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> > fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> > fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were screaming

> for

> > their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women in

> the

> > workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century so

> > far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common sense

> > rules for civility out the window.

> > >

> > > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

> really

> > was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I think

> > the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> > deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> > survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> > nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> > stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> > protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they became

> > very narcissistic.

> > >

> > > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

> sister,

> > but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

> where

> > she provided this child with a better life and gave her

> opportunities

> > and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

> been

> > able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

> empathy

> > for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> > intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> > complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to my

> > mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not of

> > her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two lives

> > with completely different experiences.

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> > change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> > through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

> She

> > like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

> happiness.

> > >

> > > As Always,

> > > Uttara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

> > deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

> light,

> > not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

> enlightened

> > about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> > you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> > people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own

> > fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return

> To

> > Love: by Marianne Williamson

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear neena and patrice,

 

I think you have taken up an assingment in finding out the factors

for suicide. Please do some exercise on my comments and post here.

It will be very helpful,

 

regards

 

Kishore patnaik

 

jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sh. Kishore Patnaik,

>

> Thanks for these valuable points on suicides.

> I will study the same with reference to the charts too, and get

back

> to you on this.

>

> Just now I checked these with reference to Sylvia Plath's chart

and

> things fall into place. Need to study other charts as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

> jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan"

> <kishore_future@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> >

> > I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

> tell

> > two general points with regard to the suicides:

> >

> >

> > The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

> Generally,

> > the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> > tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

> severely

> > afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> > possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection

of

> > Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> > position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

> >

> > The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

> should

> > be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> > position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

> transit

> > chart also.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice and All,

> > >

> > > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> > science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

> behind

> > some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> > >

> > > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

> Sun. I

> > often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

> very

> > autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where

people

> > just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them

openly. I

> > have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

> the

> > depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War

11.

> > Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> > teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

> lives

> > that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program

came

> to

> > say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of

likeness

> > and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men

from

> the

> > depths of despair.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> > stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> > >

> > > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

> often

> > didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again.

Those

> > that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life

and

> the

> > majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> > >

> > > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

> factory to

> > work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

> women

> > wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

> rationed, so

> > material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came

into

> > being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need

for

> > safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

> uniform of

> > the War.

> > >

> > > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

> of "being

> > powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became

an

> > obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> > overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal

prosperity

> > was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens,

dresses,

> > and deferring roles.

> > >

> > > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

> were

> > raised and what expectations were required? There were four

themes

> > going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this

is

> > where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two,

the

> > sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

> apathy.

> > And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising

their

> > daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> > fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> > fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were

screaming

> for

> > their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women

in

> the

> > workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century

so

> > far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common

sense

> > rules for civility out the window.

> > >

> > > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

> really

> > was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I

think

> > the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> > deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> > survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> > nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> > stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> > protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they

became

> > very narcissistic.

> > >

> > > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

> sister,

> > but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

> where

> > she provided this child with a better life and gave her

> opportunities

> > and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

> been

> > able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

> empathy

> > for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> > intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> > complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to

my

> > mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not

of

> > her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two

lives

> > with completely different experiences.

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> > change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> > through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

> She

> > like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

> happiness.

> > >

> > > As Always,

> > > Uttara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate,

our

> > deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

> light,

> > not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

> enlightened

> > about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> > you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> > people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our

own

> > fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A

Return

> To

> > Love: by Marianne Williamson

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

> > Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

> > >

> > >

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Dear Kishore,

Just to add to the list of factors: fourth house seems to be important- house of happiness obstructed, as well as its Lord.

In addition to aflicted Moon.

Cheers,

Anna

 

kishore mohan <kishorepatnaik09 > wrote:

Dear neena and patrice,

 

I think you have taken up an assingment in finding out the factors

for suicide. Please do some exercise on my comments and post here.

It will be very helpful,

 

regards

 

Kishore patnaik

 

jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sh. Kishore Patnaik,

>

> Thanks for these valuable points on suicides.

> I will study the same with reference to the charts too, and get

back

> to you on this.

>

> Just now I checked these with reference to Sylvia Plath's chart

and

> things fall into place. Need to study other charts as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

> jyotish-vidya, "kishore mohan"

> <kishore_future@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> >

> > I am yet to cast and read the charts provided by you. But let me

> tell

> > two general points with regard to the suicides:

> >

> >

> > The first one is to do with the natal chart of the native.

> Generally,

> > the Lagna Lord will be a malefic for the native. This happens to

> > tarus and the four 'corner' lagnas. Also, the Moon must be

> severely

> > afflicted. If moon is severly afflicted, it can also indicate a

> > possibility of Balarishta, though in Balarishta, the connection

of

> > Mars with certain Houses is compulsory. In other words, the Moons

> > position will be alike in both Balarishta and suicide cases.

> >

> > The second point is to do with the transits. The Tr Lagna lord

> should

> > be cruelly aspecting himself in the natal chart. Sometimes, this

> > position can be taken by AK but then, AK should be AK for the

> transit

> > chart also.

> >

> > Hope this helps,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Patrice and All,

> > >

> > > I have an added commentary to my last post. It is a social

> > science theory but I think adds to the astrological reasoning

> behind

> > some charts we encounter. Especially our families.

> > >

> > > Like your mother who is a Gemini, My mother has a Gemini

> Sun. I

> > often say she talks out of both sides of her mouth. She is also

> very

> > autocratic and opinionated. She too grew up in an era where

people

> > just got on with things and didn't talk or dwell on them

openly. I

> > have often found this to be a direct reaction to the severity of

> the

> > depression era of the 30's and then the atrocities of World War

11.

> > Actually, Alcoholic Anonymous grew out of this depression era,

> > teaching men how to cope better with events and things in their

> lives

> > that were bigger than them. That's where the 12-step program

came

> to

> > say that one was "powerless over" and taught fraternity of

likeness

> > and support. It was a kind of new religion to help pull men

from

> the

> > depths of despair.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, your Grandfather never experienced this or his

> > stoic Denmark ancestry lead him to be his own person.

> > >

> > > Then the war came and life changed. Young Men left home and

> often

> > didn't return. Or, men returned never to be the same again.

Those

> > that did survive the hell came back with a new outlook on life

and

> the

> > majority got on with life. Never to develop fraternity again.

> > >

> > > Women during the war came out of the house and into the

> factory to

> > work – to help supply the goods needed for war. That is where

> women

> > wearing pants developed and was allowed. Every thing was

> rationed, so

> > material for clothing was harder and sturdier – so pants came

into

> > being and were cheaper. Also in factory work, pants were need

for

> > safety and endurance rather than dresses. Pants became the

> uniform of

> > the War.

> > >

> > > Once the war ended there was a backlash on the concept

> of "being

> > powerless". All of a sudden being in control of ones life became

an

> > obsession in self-help advice and personal stories of people

> > overcoming adversity for peace and contentment. Personal

prosperity

> > was touted everywhere. Women went back to their kitchens,

dresses,

> > and deferring roles.

> > >

> > > However, do you remember growing up how we the baby boomers

> were

> > raised and what expectations were required? There were four

themes

> > going on. One to have a more relaxed permissive society, (this

is

> > where entitlement was bred – don't you just love Dr Spock) two,

the

> > sky's the limit, three, gratefulness was instilled instead of

> apathy.

> > And, four, mothers were quietly behind closed doors raising

their

> > daughters to be more of their own person and equal to men. The

> > fifty's believed it. The sixty's teenagers rebelled against the

> > fifties restrictions, the seventies; married Women were

screaming

> for

> > their autonomy and the eighties saw young college degreed women

in

> the

> > workplace. The nineties reaped the backlash and the 21-century

so

> > far in America is entitled happy and throwing all the common

sense

> > rules for civility out the window.

> > >

> > > So, when we look at out mothers and hear their stories it

> really

> > was a different time of living and thinking and believing. I

think

> > the more adversity and sacrifice they encountered and the more

> > deferment required, the more they built their own reservoirs for

> > survival. There are some who were able to keep their capacity to

> > nurture and empathize, but all too often like my mother their

> > stoicness, severe expectation, and rule has kept them safe and

> > protected. And like my mother and some others I know, they

became

> > very narcissistic.

> > >

> > > My mother could have been a better mother to my adopted

> sister,

> > but in reality, my mother's thinking and feeling was and is one

> where

> > she provided this child with a better life and gave her

> opportunities

> > and education and a roof over her head that my sister has never

> been

> > able to return in kindness to my mother. As far as having any

> empathy

> > for a broken soul theory – there is none. That and my mother's

> > intolerance of my sister's chaotic inner soul is written off as

> > complete belligerence and added to that, she is not connected to

my

> > mother in any depth because as my mother says, this child is not

of

> > her blood. Gad, what a mess and a terrible fall out for two

lives

> > with completely different experiences.

> > >

> > > I am looking forward to 2012. I think the current tide will

> > change, as it ultimately will. In the meantime, we have to slop

> > through another six years. I hope my mother isn't living then.

> She

> > like my mother in law need to go their graves to find peace and

> happiness.

> > >

> > > As Always,

> > > Uttara

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate,

our

> > deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

> light,

> > not our darkness, that most frightens us. There is nothing

> enlightened

> > about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around

> > you...As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other

> > people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our

own

> > fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A

Return

> To

> > Love: by Marianne Williamson

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

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