Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 PS: The influence of the Nodes (and likewise Gulika) are factors worth looking at, wouldn't you say? Charts of suicides seem to be few and far between. However I do have the chart of a native who's father committed suicide you might like to look at, bearing in mind that 3rd house (also) shows parents death. In this chart Ketu occupies 10th whilst debilitated 10th lord Sun (conjunct Gulika) is in mutual aspect with 3rd lord Saturn. Lesa (father suicide) Oct 25 1969 (07:20) Fremantle, WA Australia 115E46, 32S03 (Zone 08:00) Lagna: 11°26'56" Scorpio If I'm not mistaken, Adolf Hitler committed suicide...is this correct? ________________________________ Dear Neena, We all know the houses associated with death...those who do not can read up on it here http://jyotishvidya.com/ch44.htm 3rd house is said to show the cause of death i.e., diseases or events that may cause/contribute to one's own death. In the chart of Pramod Mahajan (providing the data is correct) 8th lord Saturn occupying 3rd, could be an indication that an act of violence may (ultimately) be the cause of death... Of course Saturn's lordship of 9th cannot be underestimated and we should consider that in terms of PM's good fortune i.e., support for his efforts in life and so forth. We might also consider this as being an indication that, in spite of being critically wounded, he may recover due to the blessing of 9th lordship. Apmrityu (suicide) is also seen in a chart and, in such instances, lagna lord and/or Sun would have to be afflicted...indicating death by one's own hand. There can't be just one indication for death and/or suicide as (with anything) the possible combinations/influences are variable. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:26 PM Re: Pramod Mahajan's chart - Dear Wendy, What are the factors which can lead to a violent death ? Some people are destined for a peaceful death, some for a painful one and some for a violent death. also it is said that one cannot predict an apmrityu. But an apmrityu can be warded off by worship and chanting of mantras, whereas the Mrityu that one is destined for cannot be warded off. I know this is a very depressing topic but any inputs on this I will be grateful for. regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy, The connection of 3rd House and the 3rd Lord is seen in the charts of those who committed suicide. One of the the significations of third house and its lord represent "arms" - one of the limbs of the body. Quote: taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler "In the final days of the war, at the age of 56, Hitler committed suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin, together with his newly wed wife, Eva Braun." Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. >>>>>"If I'm not mistaken, Adolf Hitler committed suicide...is this correct?">>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Ravindramani, //The connection of 3rd House and the 3rd Lord is seen in the charts of those who committed suicide. One of the the significations of third house and its lord represent "arms" - one of the limbs of the body.// Your input is appreciated :-) Do you have any charts (verifiable suicide) that we can study? //"In the final days of the war, at the age of 56, Hitler committed suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin, together with his newly wed wife, Eva Braun."// I'm a rather hesitant to even take a look at Adolf Hitler's chart now given that the birth data of celebrities can be so unreliable. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 hello, what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view thanks tarun Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Ravindramani, > > //The connection of 3rd House and the 3rd Lord is seen in the charts > of those who committed suicide. One of the the significations of > third house and its lord represent "arms" - one of the limbs of the > body.// > > Your input is appreciated :-) > Do you have any charts (verifiable suicide) that we can study? > > //"In the final days of the war, at the age of 56, Hitler committed > suicide in his underground bunker in Berlin, together with his newly > wed wife, Eva Braun."// > > I'm a rather hesitant to even take a look at Adolf Hitler's chart now > given that the birth data of celebrities can be so unreliable. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > > > > > Astrology chart > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> > Vedic astrology > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> > Personal reading > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Tarun, //what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view// Can you be more specific? 3rd house, as with all houses, governs many things. It's the house of courage/bravery which, when afflicted, can show lack of courage (or fear). It governs communication through writing etc.. It's the house of siblings, interests, hobbies, motivation and so forth. It governs initiation into spiritual practice as well as fine arts (singing, acting etc). It shows death of parents as well as the cause of one's own death. I'm not really sure what 3rd house connection you want my view on. However it's fairly obvious that strong beneficial influences on 3rd will favour the significations of this house (in a general sense). If one was considering this house in terms of the fine arts, one would consider the strength of this house (and its lord) along with Venus. For communication through writing etc., one would consider this house along with Mercury... and so forth. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Wendy, Thanks for replying my mail. Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage but if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the world. To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated planets or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. Kindly suggest me further. Thanks and Regards Tarun Agarwal Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > //what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in > details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view// > > Can you be more specific? 3rd house, as with all houses, governs many > things. It's the house of courage/bravery which, when afflicted, can > show lack of courage (or fear). It governs communication through > writing etc.. It's the house of siblings, interests, hobbies, > motivation and so forth. It governs initiation into spiritual > practice as well as fine arts (singing, acting etc). It shows death > of parents as well as the cause of one's own death. > > I'm not really sure what 3rd house connection you want my view on. > However it's fairly obvious that strong beneficial influences on 3rd > will favour the significations of this house (in a general sense). If > one was considering this house in terms of the fine arts, one would > consider the strength of this house (and its lord) along with Venus. > For communication through writing etc., one would consider this house > along with Mercury... and so forth. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > > > > > Astrology chart > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> > Vedic astrology > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> > Personal reading > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Tarun, There can be no doubt that to commit suicide one must have the intention to do so...agreed? 3rd is the house of intention, is it not? 3rd also, according to the sages, shows the cause of death. Mutual aspect between afflicted lagna lord and 3rd lord could be one indication. But it's unwise to generalise as each circumstance is unique, don't you agree? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:28 PM Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendy, Thanks for replying my mail. Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage but if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the world. To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated planets or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. Kindly suggest me further. Thanks and Regards Tarun Agarwal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Group, I have picked up this thread from te middle and would render my apologies if there is duplicacy in the views or if these aspects have already been discussed under the thread. While analysing the factors for suicide, we must understand why a person resort to this ultimate action. One is the lack of courage to face the adverse conditions. hird house indications is definite indicator in this regard, but only to that extent. But, if a person is too timid to face the circumstances, how can he garner the courage to end his life????. It means one needs a rush of blood that actually make him do the suicide. A weak moon, under the aspect of saturn & Mars (Saturn - For taking the native into depression/gloominess which make native comtemplate suicide & Mars - for the rush of blood to actually do it) without any benefic aspect or shubh argala can also be one of the factors for suicide. Best Regards, Akhil Jain ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: Dear Wendy, Thanks for replying my mail. Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage but if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the world. To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated planets or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. Kindly suggest me further. Thanks and Regards Tarun Agarwal Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > //what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in > details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view// > > Can you be more specific? 3rd house, as with all houses, governs many > things. It's the house of courage/bravery which, when afflicted, can > show lack of courage (or fear). It governs communication through > writing etc.. It's the house of siblings, interests, hobbies, > motivation and so forth. It governs initiation into spiritual > practice as well as fine arts (singing, acting etc). It shows death > of parents as well as the cause of one's own death. > > I'm not really sure what 3rd house connection you want my view on. > However it's fairly obvious that strong beneficial influences on 3rd > will favour the significations of this house (in a general sense). If > one was considering this house in terms of the fine arts, one would > consider the strength of this house (and its lord) along with Venus. > For communication through writing etc., one would consider this house > along with Mercury... and so forth. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > > > > > Astrology chart > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> > Vedic astrology > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> > Personal reading > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Jiyo cricket on India cricket Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Akhil, I absolutely agree that prolonged (chronic) depression is a major factor in many instances. Sadly this is escalating in our Country and, I suspect, worldwide...such unhappiness (hopelessness) in the world today. Many people suffering chronic (physical) illness also resort to suicide as the only means to end their pain and suffering. Bankruptcy (financial ruin) is another reason...Note the connection; chronic illness(8th house of death), bankruptcy(12th house - loss of life). The reasons are as many and varied as are the planetary influences that trigger them. Many things need to be considered i.e., nakshatras, aspects, operating dasas, transits etc.. I therefore think it's possible only to see the possibility that may, or may not, be triggered under the right circumstances. Many people suffer chronic depression and/or chronic illness and manage to survive financial ruin without resorting to suicide. Again I come back to the intention of 3rd house...this must support any other contributing factors. We need also to consider 4th house as it relates to conditions at close of life. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:14 PM Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Group, I have picked up this thread from te middle and would render my apologies if there is duplicacy in the views or if these aspects have already been discussed under the thread. While analysing the factors for suicide, we must understand why a person resort to this ultimate action. One is the lack of courage to face the adverse conditions. hird house indications is definite indicator in this regard, but only to that extent. But, if a person is too timid to face the circumstances, how can he garner the courage to end his life????. It means one needs a rush of blood that actually make him do the suicide. A weak moon, under the aspect of saturn & Mars (Saturn - For taking the native into depression/gloominess which make native comtemplate suicide & Mars - for the rush of blood to actually do it) without any benefic aspect or shubh argala can also be one of the factors for suicide. Best Regards, Akhil Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Wendyji, I agree with the content of your mail, but am afraid that probably I failed to expicitly state my views. I didnt mean depression as a desease per se as the reason for the suicide, but intend to say that whatever be the reasons, be it depression, ilness, bankrupcy, heartbreaks so on and so forth (all sorts of adverse conditions).. weak Moon affected by saturn or Rahu tends to bogg down the native under adverse conditions and if the afflictions are severe it can cause the native to think about the suicide as an alternative. And if the decesion this made under depression gets the courage/spontanity of action by Mars then native can execute his plans. In Three Hundred Important Combinations by Prof B.V. Raman, he has mentioned that if Moon afflicted with Saturn/Rahu occupies a dusthana and is aspected by Lord of Lagna, the native meets unnatural death. Is it possible that covertly the combination for the suicide is give??? But it also suggestes that Moon itself is an indicator of death. There is no role of third house here!!! Also in the case of Balarishtha Moon is given the condition of Moon is given prime importance. Though it can e argued to exclude balarishtha, but death is a death is a death and if moon is a factor to be reckoned in that case, why cant it be taken for Madhayau or Purnayu??? Best Regards, Akhil Jain jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Akhil, > > I absolutely agree that prolonged (chronic) depression is a major > factor in many instances. Sadly this is escalating in our Country > and, I suspect, worldwide...such unhappiness (hopelessness) in the > world today. > > Many people suffering chronic (physical) illness also resort to > suicide as the only means to end their pain and suffering. Bankruptcy > (financial ruin) is another reason...Note the connection; chronic > illness(8th house of death), bankruptcy(12th house - loss of life). > The reasons are as many and varied as are the planetary influences > that trigger them. Many things need to be considered i.e., > nakshatras, aspects, operating dasas, transits etc.. I therefore > think it's possible only to see the possibility that may, or may not, > be triggered under the right circumstances. Many people suffer > chronic depression and/or chronic illness and manage to survive > financial ruin without resorting to suicide. > > Again I come back to the intention of 3rd house...this must support > any other contributing factors. We need also to consider 4th house as > it relates to conditions at close of life. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:14 PM > Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? > > > Dear Group, > I have picked up this thread from te middle and would render my > apologies if there is duplicacy in the views or if these aspects have > already been discussed under the thread. > While analysing the factors for suicide, we must understand why a > person resort to this ultimate action. One is the lack of courage to > face the adverse conditions. hird house indications is definite > indicator in this regard, but only to that extent. But, if a person > is too timid to face the circumstances, how can he garner the courage > to end his life????. It means one needs a rush of blood that actually > make him do the suicide. A weak moon, under the aspect of saturn & > Mars (Saturn - For taking the native into depression/gloominess which > make native comtemplate suicide & Mars - for the rush of blood to > actually do it) without any benefic aspect or shubh argala can also > be one of the factors for suicide. > > Best Regards, > Akhil Jain > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Akhil, Why do you assume that Moon is the indicator for death. The point made by Raman is Moon afflicted by Saturn etc...Saturn being the significator of longevity (death). To save time searching could you point me to the page where I might find this quote (I have the book you refer to on my bookshelf). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:14 PM Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendyji, I agree with the content of your mail, but am afraid that probably I failed to expicitly state my views. I didnt mean depression as a desease per se as the reason for the suicide, but intend to say that whatever be the reasons, be it depression, ilness, bankrupcy, heartbreaks so on and so forth (all sorts of adverse conditions).. weak Moon affected by saturn or Rahu tends to bogg down the native under adverse conditions and if the afflictions are severe it can cause the native to think about the suicide as an alternative. And if the decesion this made under depression gets the courage/spontanity of action by Mars then native can execute his plans. In Three Hundred Important Combinations by Prof B.V. Raman, he has mentioned that if Moon afflicted with Saturn/Rahu occupies a dusthana and is aspected by Lord of Lagna, the native meets unnatural death. Is it possible that covertly the combination for the suicide is give??? But it also suggestes that Moon itself is an indicator of death. There is no role of third house here!!! Also in the case of Balarishtha Moon is given the condition of Moon is given prime importance. Though it can e argued to exclude balarishtha, but death is a death is a death and if moon is a factor to be reckoned in that case, why cant it be taken for Madhayau or Purnayu??? Best Regards, Akhil Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Akhil, //weak Moon affected by saturn or Rahu tends to bogg down the native under adverse conditions and if the afflictions are severe it can cause the native to think about the suicide as an alternative. And if the decesion this made under depression gets the courage/spontanity of action by Mars then native can execute his plans.// Please don't lose sight of the fact that Mars is karaka for 3rd - Saturn, karaka for 8th. Both these houses are associated with death. In fact all the dusthanas have Mars/Saturn as their karakas...Mars 3rd/6th, Saturn 8th/12th. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:14 PM Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendyji, I agree with the content of your mail, but am afraid that probably I failed to expicitly state my views. I didnt mean depression as a desease per se as the reason for the suicide, but intend to say that whatever be the reasons, be it depression, ilness, bankrupcy, heartbreaks so on and so forth (all sorts of adverse conditions).. weak Moon affected by saturn or Rahu tends to bogg down the native under adverse conditions and if the afflictions are severe it can cause the native to think about the suicide as an alternative. And if the decesion this made under depression gets the courage/spontanity of action by Mars then native can execute his plans. In Three Hundred Important Combinations by Prof B.V. Raman, he has mentioned that if Moon afflicted with Saturn/Rahu occupies a dusthana and is aspected by Lord of Lagna, the native meets unnatural death. Is it possible that covertly the combination for the suicide is give??? But it also suggestes that Moon itself is an indicator of death. There is no role of third house here!!! Also in the case of Balarishtha Moon is given the condition of Moon is given prime importance. Though it can e argued to exclude balarishtha, but death is a death is a death and if moon is a factor to be reckoned in that case, why cant it be taken for Madhayau or Purnayu??? Best Regards, Akhil Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Wendyji, I am not assuming Moon as the indicator of death. Sticking to the subject of thread i.e suicide, I just want to impress upon the mental framework of the native who goes for suicide. Comitting suicide is purely an outcome of the mental disbalance of the native, and no person under balanced state of mind can commit suicide, unless we somehow link it to euthanesia, which is still not accepted in may part of the world, and also not so commonplace that we can take it forgranted and not look for its astrlogical indications. THere needs to be some affliction in the mental set up of a person to commit suicide. Thats why I consider moon as as indicator to suicide. Regarding the combination I reffered to, its Durmarana yoga, its on page no. 277 in my volume. Its under the section of arishta yogas. Trust the above help you locate the combination. Best Regards, Akhil Jain jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Akhil, > > Why do you assume that Moon is the indicator for death. The point > made by Raman is Moon afflicted by Saturn etc...Saturn being the > significator of longevity (death). To save time searching could you > point me to the page where I might find this quote (I have the book > you refer to on my bookshelf). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:14 PM > Re: Factors for Suicide? > > > Dear Wendyji, > > I agree with the content of your mail, but am afraid that probably I > failed to expicitly state my views. I didnt mean depression as a > desease per se as the reason for the suicide, but intend to say that > whatever be the reasons, be it depression, ilness, bankrupcy, > heartbreaks so on and so forth (all sorts of adverse conditions).. > weak Moon affected by saturn or Rahu tends to bogg down the native > under adverse conditions and if the afflictions are severe it can > cause the native to think about the suicide as an alternative. And > if the decesion this made under depression gets the > courage/spontanity of action by Mars then native can execute his > plans. > > In Three Hundred Important Combinations by Prof B.V. Raman, he has > mentioned that if Moon afflicted with Saturn/Rahu occupies a > dusthana and is aspected by Lord of Lagna, the native meets > unnatural death. Is it possible that covertly the combination for > the suicide is give??? But it also suggestes that Moon itself is an > indicator of death. There is no role of third house here!!! Also in > the case of Balarishtha Moon is given the condition of Moon is given > prime importance. Though it can e argued to exclude balarishtha, but > death is a death is a death and if moon is a factor to be reckoned > in that case, why cant it be taken for Madhayau or Purnayu??? > > Best Regards, > > Akhil Jain > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Wendy, Yes we can say affliction of lagna lord is also necessary. Because lagna is the soul of person, the lagna itself justifies the nature and thinking of that particular person. Yes as per you courage (i.e. 3rd lord ) is necessry to consider the strength of person to face the problems and studying the horoscope for suicide Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied. Thanks and Regards Tarun www.thevinayak.com Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > There can be no doubt that to commit suicide one must have the > intention to do so...agreed? 3rd is the house of intention, is it > not? 3rd also, according to the sages, shows the cause of death. > Mutual aspect between afflicted lagna lord and 3rd lord could be one > indication. But it's unwise to generalise as each circumstance is > unique, don't you agree? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:28 PM > Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? > > > Dear Wendy, > > Thanks for replying my mail. > Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage > but > if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the > world. > To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. > I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated > planets > or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. > > Kindly suggest me further. > Thanks and Regards > Tarun Agarwal > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Akhil ji, I have Saturn + moon in 2nd hosue. but i dont think that i ever thought for suicide. I am Virgo Lagna. Thanks Tarun Akhil Jain wrote: > Dear Group, > I have picked up this thread from te middle and would render my > apologies if there is duplicacy in the views or if these aspects have > already been discussed under the thread. > While analysing the factors for suicide, we must understand why a > person resort to this ultimate action. One is the lack of courage to > face the adverse conditions. hird house indications is definite > indicator in this regard, but only to that extent. But, if a person is > too timid to face the circumstances, how can he garner the courage to > end his life????. It means one needs a rush of blood that actually > make him do the suicide. A weak moon, under the aspect of saturn & > Mars (Saturn - For taking the native into depression/gloominess which > make native comtemplate suicide & Mars - for the rush of blood to > actually do it) without any benefic aspect or shubh argala can also be > one of the factors for suicide. > > Best Regards, > Akhil Jain > > > > ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: > Dear Wendy, > > Thanks for replying my mail. > Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage but > if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the world. > To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. > I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated planets > or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. > > Kindly suggest me further. > Thanks and Regards > Tarun Agarwal > > Wendy Vasicek wrote: > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > //what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in > > details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view// > > > > Can you be more specific? 3rd house, as with all houses, governs many > > things. It's the house of courage/bravery which, when afflicted, can > > show lack of courage (or fear). It governs communication through > > writing etc.. It's the house of siblings, interests, hobbies, > > motivation and so forth. It governs initiation into spiritual > > practice as well as fine arts (singing, acting etc). It shows death > > of parents as well as the cause of one's own death. > > > > I'm not really sure what 3rd house connection you want my view on. > > However it's fairly obvious that strong beneficial influences on 3rd > > will favour the significations of this house (in a general sense). If > > one was considering this house in terms of the fine arts, one would > > consider the strength of this house (and its lord) along with Venus. > > For communication through writing etc., one would consider this house > > along with Mercury... and so forth. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart > > > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q>> > > > Vedic astrology > > > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ>> > > > Personal reading > > > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg>> > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > > > * > > jyotish-vidya > > > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading > > > > > > Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > > > > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Tarun, Mere Moon+Saturn combination will not take us anywhere. The whole chart needs to be studues in unison. There are other fctors also which neds to be considered while analysing the chart for suicidal tendencies. Some of the have already ben discussed in this thread. To name a few, is the native facing adverse conditions that might promp him to go for suicide? How strong is the third house/lord - Strong third house will bestow the native courage to face the conditions. How strong is the lagna/lagna lord? Does such Moon afflicted with saturn receives a banefic aspect? Best Regards, Akhil Jain jyotish-vidya, ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Akhil ji, > > I have Saturn + moon in 2nd hosue. but i dont think that i ever thought > for suicide. I am Virgo Lagna. > > Thanks > Tarun > > Akhil Jain wrote: > > > Dear Group, > > I have picked up this thread from te middle and would render my > > apologies if there is duplicacy in the views or if these aspects have > > already been discussed under the thread. > > While analysing the factors for suicide, we must understand why a > > person resort to this ultimate action. One is the lack of courage to > > face the adverse conditions. hird house indications is definite > > indicator in this regard, but only to that extent. But, if a person is > > too timid to face the circumstances, how can he garner the courage to > > end his life????. It means one needs a rush of blood that actually > > make him do the suicide. A weak moon, under the aspect of saturn & > > Mars (Saturn - For taking the native into depression/gloominess which > > make native comtemplate suicide & Mars - for the rush of blood to > > actually do it) without any benefic aspect or shubh argala can also be > > one of the factors for suicide. > > > > Best Regards, > > Akhil Jain > > > > > > > > ~Tarun~ <tarun.virgo wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > > > > Thanks for replying my mail. > > Actually in my view affliction of 3rd house can show lack of courage but > > if u think abt courage to survive and ones own views to see the world. > > To analyse his own problems so that he can survive. > > I think affliction of lagna lord , its relation with debilated planets > > or placed in 6, 8, 12 can be perceived for sucide. > > > > Kindly suggest me further. > > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun Agarwal > > > > Wendy Vasicek wrote: > > > > > Dear Tarun, > > > > > > //what do u interpretate frm 3rd house connection. Kindly explain in > > > details so ttht we get a clear picture of your view// > > > > > > Can you be more specific? 3rd house, as with all houses, governs many > > > things. It's the house of courage/bravery which, when afflicted, can > > > show lack of courage (or fear). It governs communication through > > > writing etc.. It's the house of siblings, interests, hobbies, > > > motivation and so forth. It governs initiation into spiritual > > > practice as well as fine arts (singing, acting etc). It shows death > > > of parents as well as the cause of one's own death. > > > > > > I'm not really sure what 3rd house connection you want my view on. > > > However it's fairly obvious that strong beneficial influences on 3rd > > > will favour the significations of this house (in a general sense). If > > > one was considering this house in terms of the fine arts, one would > > > consider the strength of this house (and its lord) along with Venus. > > > For communication through writing etc., one would consider this house > > > along with Mercury... and so forth. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart > > > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q > > </gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q>> > > > > > Vedic astrology > > > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ > > </gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Perso nal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ>> > > > > > Personal reading > > > > > </gads? t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Pers onal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg > > </gads? t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic+astrology&w3=Pers onal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > > > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > > > > > * > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > <jyotish-vidya? subject=Un> > > > > > > * Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology chart Vedic astrology Personal reading > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jiyo cricket on India cricket > > Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > > > * > > jyotish-vidya > > <jyotish-vidya? subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > -------------------------------- ------- > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear R.K. First try to synthesize the significations of a house. Every house and its lord signify or represent different human experiences. On any occasion, i.e. to say the point at issue or under examination overrules other significations temporarily. The bottom line is that when you analyze siblings you should concentrate only on that. Forget temporarily other significations for a moment. The third house affliction by malefic means when you consider sibling it is undesirable whereas for any other signification it is not so. What you are examining at a particular moment. That is important. Now consider, 3rd house represents swift movement, communication and writing, and arms – one of the limbs of the human body. Now think of the profession stenography or the stenographer. He writes by hand, he takes down his notes very swiftly and he communicates subsequently. The 3rd lord influences the 10th house from Lagna. The 10th lord placed in 2nd house of income or the accumulation of money. Now synthesize once again the supporting factors. Every signification of every house gets modified when you corelating with another signification of a lord or a house. Hope this may help you to some extent. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: Now try to corelate what I said 3rd house represents "arms" with reference to suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Dear Tarun, //Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied.// Unfortunately, as I said previously, horoscopes of suicides are few and far between (perhaps because many feel it's too sensitive a topic). I don't have any in my files at the moment, but I'm hoping that might change in the not-too-distant future. I was looking at the Astrodatabank website and see that they have a category related to death which lists charts showing death by disease, by accident, by homicide, by suicide, and so forth. Of course one has to buy the software to access this information and at $249. US.S. it's not cheap. But I do recognise the importance of having such reference material at hand and have put it on my 'wish list'. God willing I may be able to get it in a few weeks. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo <jyotish-vidya> Friday, April 28, 2006 10:32 AM Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendy, Yes we can say affliction of lagna lord is also necessary. Because lagna is the soul of person, the lagna itself justifies the nature and thinking of that particular person. Yes as per you courage (i.e. 3rd lord ) is necessry to consider the strength of person to face the problems and studying the horoscope for suicide Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied. Thanks and Regards Tarun www.thevinayak.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Dear Wendyji/Tarun, I am giving below the details of the native who attempted suicide in the year 1991. Date of Birth: July 2, 1970 Time of birth: 2200 Hrs (IST) - 10.00 PM PLace of birth: Hapur (U.P), India You may find various combinations that has already been discussed at this forum operating in ths case. Trust this can be of some help. Best Regards, Akhil Jain jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Tarun, > > //Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied.// > > Unfortunately, as I said previously, horoscopes of suicides are few > and far between (perhaps because many feel it's too sensitive a > topic). I don't have any in my files at the moment, but I'm hoping > that might change in the not-too-distant future. I was looking at the > Astrodatabank website and see that they have a category related to > death which lists charts showing death by disease, by accident, by > homicide, by suicide, and so forth. Of course one has to buy the > software to access this information and at $249. US.S. it's not > cheap. But I do recognise the importance of having such reference > material at hand and have put it on my 'wish list'. God willing I may > be able to get it in a few weeks. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo > <jyotish-vidya> > Friday, April 28, 2006 10:32 AM > Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? > > > Dear Wendy, > > Yes we can say affliction of lagna lord is also necessary. Because > lagna > is the soul of person, the lagna itself justifies the nature and > thinking of that particular person. > Yes as per you courage (i.e. 3rd lord ) is necessry to consider the > strength of person to face the problems and studying the horoscope > for > suicide > > Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied. > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hello Wendy, Thanks for taking interest in my mails. Surely you will get that software and do your research ahead.If i get some data i will definately forward it to you. Thanks and Best Regards Tarun Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > //Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied.// > > Unfortunately, as I said previously, horoscopes of suicides are few > and far between (perhaps because many feel it's too sensitive a > topic). I don't have any in my files at the moment, but I'm hoping > that might change in the not-too-distant future. I was looking at the > Astrodatabank website and see that they have a category related to > death which lists charts showing death by disease, by accident, by > homicide, by suicide, and so forth. Of course one has to buy the > software to access this information and at $249. US.S. it's not > cheap. But I do recognise the importance of having such reference > material at hand and have put it on my 'wish list'. God willing I may > be able to get it in a few weeks. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo > <jyotish-vidya> > Friday, April 28, 2006 10:32 AM > Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? > > > Dear Wendy, > > Yes we can say affliction of lagna lord is also necessary. Because > lagna > is the soul of person, the lagna itself justifies the nature and > thinking of that particular person. > Yes as per you courage (i.e. 3rd lord ) is necessry to consider the > strength of person to face the problems and studying the horoscope > for > suicide > > Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied. > Thanks and Regards > > Tarun > www.thevinayak.com > > > > > > Astrology chart > </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> > Vedic astrology > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedic\ +astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> > Personal reading > </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=Vedi\ c+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya>" on the web. > > * > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Dear Akhil, Thank you for sharing that data. Interesting to note that the native was undergoing bhukti of debilitated Saturn at the time. Lagna lord Saturn disposits Rahu and is conjunct Gulika in 3rd house of intentions. Another interesting feature of the chart is Saturn's dispositor (3rd lord Mars), in sign of Grt. Enemy, is (along with 8th lord Mercury and 6th lord Moon) combust 7th lord Sun... Anyone care to comment on Jupiter's aspect on 1st, 3rd and 5th houses? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Akhil Jain" <akhil_astro <jyotish-vidya> Friday, April 28, 2006 2:53 PM Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendyji/Tarun, I am giving below the details of the native who attempted suicide in the year 1991. Date of Birth: July 2, 1970 Time of birth: 2200 Hrs (IST) - 10.00 PM PLace of birth: Hapur (U.P), India You may find various combinations that has already been discussed at this forum operating in ths case. Trust this can be of some help. Best Regards, Akhil Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Mrs. Wendy, At the time of attempted suicide, the individual was enjoying the MD of Jupiter who is Vargottama. Jupiter is in 9th House. Jupiter aspecting Lagna and Lagna Lord. See the 3rd house connection. He is 2nd lord too. He had to play that role also. >From the Moon he is aspected by Saturn who becomes the 9th lord. A Planet in 3rd and a planet in 9th were the dasha lords. He attempted suicide but that was not the end. The role of 9th was more powerful. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2006 Report Share Posted May 1, 2006 Dear Ravindramani, If I'm not mistaken (transit) JU & SA were conjunct in Taurus at that time.. Without a more specific date it's difficult to plot the event(s) that led up to his attempted suicide. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "ravindramani" <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya> Monday, May 01, 2006 2:06 PM Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Mrs. Wendy, At the time of attempted suicide, the individual was enjoying the MD of Jupiter who is Vargottama. Jupiter is in 9th House. Jupiter aspecting Lagna and Lagna Lord. See the 3rd house connection. He is 2nd lord too. He had to play that role also. >From the Moon he is aspected by Saturn who becomes the 9th lord. A Planet in 3rd and a planet in 9th were the dasha lords. He attempted suicide but that was not the end. The role of 9th was more powerful. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Hello Dear List, Sorry to be away again for so long - and you all have so many interesting posts and topics. Want to share the chart of someone whose father committed suicide. It's an interesting chart to view in that light. This happened at 2 weeks before her 12th birthday and obviously has been huge in her life. Birth data: May 31, 1927, 6:50 AM, San Pedro, CA, USA I just took a look at the transits on May 17, 1939, and interestingly there are 5 planets in her 11H, 3rd house from 9H of father. and in Aries, with Mars Neechabhanga in her natal chart. Mars itself in transit is in her 8H, and owning this 11H - 3rd for father, is now exatlted in transit in 8H, and in Sun's star, Sun another signifier for father is in transit 12H. Also Saturn, who is her natal lord of 9H, and is debilitated in Navamsa, and as well located in Nakshatra star of this debilitated Mars, is now in transit in debility and conjoined all these planets on this fateful day - Transiting Mars and Saturn are also in a close mutual aspect of one another on this day. Exalted Mars from 8H aspecting own rashi Aries, and Rahu being the only planets aspecting this rashi with transiting 5 conjoined planets, and Aries know for iniciative as well as the third house being known for this. Saturn not only debilitated but also in Ashwini in Gandanta, however such a slow moving planet and at 2:32 degrees, but still something I like to note. Something else I see here, and have been trying to take note of - but I don't know how more knowledgeable astrologers might view this - is that her 9H in cuspal chart shows cusp at less than 1 degree, at only 23 minutes. Although Uranus is not used in Jyotish, I have noted that it too is in transit in Aries, and if included would be 6 planets conjoined there, and Uranus is given in my significator book for suicide as well. On this day, native would have been in Saturn/Rahu/Venus/Saturn. This places her progressed dasa Moon in Ardra along with her ascendant - Ardra's symbol is a tear.. Venus owns 12H and although has exalted Moon in Taurus, Venus is weak by being in final degree of her ascendant, as well as having no planets in Rashi chart in Venus star. Moon owning 2H of family. This is doubly true in her case showing loss of family as Taurus is in 12H of loss and also represents family. Following this terrible day, she was sent off to live with her sister and husband, sister only 10 years her senior. Interestingly, she has also told me her sister was never interested in food much and there was often not much to eat, (again Taurus and 2H Moon). Venus and Ketu are in nakshatra exchange on this day with Venus closely conjoined this Saturn. Rahu in own star in 5H. (In natal chart Ketu in own star and only planet in Ketu's star.) Also on this day all planets final depositor is Mars, other than Jupiter who is in Pisces. I won't say here how he committed suicide if anyone would like to guess. It's a good example for checking this given all I've mentioned above and once you check this chart. All my best wishes, Patrice .. _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Wendy Vasicek Friday, April 28, 2006 1:29 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Tarun, //Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied.// Unfortunately, as I said previously, horoscopes of suicides are few and far between (perhaps because many feel it's too sensitive a topic). I don't have any in my files at the moment, but I'm hoping that might change in the not-too-distant future. I was looking at the Astrodatabank website and see that they have a category related to death which lists charts showing death by disease, by accident, by homicide, by suicide, and so forth. Of course one has to buy the software to access this information and at $249. US.S. it's not cheap. But I do recognise the importance of having such reference material at hand and have put it on my 'wish list'. God willing I may be able to get it in a few weeks. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "~Tarun~" <tarun.virgo <jyotish-vidya> Friday, April 28, 2006 10:32 AM Re: Re: Factors for Suicide? Dear Wendy, Yes we can say affliction of lagna lord is also necessary. Because lagna is the soul of person, the lagna itself justifies the nature and thinking of that particular person. Yes as per you courage (i.e. 3rd lord ) is necessry to consider the strength of person to face the problems and studying the horoscope for suicide Can u enlight some special cases that you had studied. Thanks and Regards Tarun www.thevinayak.com Astrology </gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=V edic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=yoswT0XE-vB9llMiB1sT1Q> chart Vedic </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Astrology+chart&w2=V edic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=_51dCbxdai4uLT_0QkDkQQ> astrology Personal </gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Astrology+chart&w2= Vedic+astrology&w3=Personal+reading&c=3&s=64&.sig=tMlZMzSPyuffO0tEMLYpFg> reading _____ * Visit your group "jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya> " on the web. * jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya?subject=Un> * <> Terms of Service. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 Dear List, Something I need to correct below is Moon is in Moolatrikona in Rashi chart. I need to take more note of the degrees when viewing exaltation - Her Moon being at 26 degrees puts it in moolatrikona verses exaltation. The other thing to mention is again transiting exalted Mars - in 8H, 12H from 9H - father's 12H. In this case Mars being such an important player in this suicide. Suicide itself doesn't list Mars in my significator book. Kindest regards, Patrice _____ jyotish-vidya [jyotish-vidya] On Behalf Of Patrice Curry Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:13 PM jyotish-vidya RE: Re: Factors for Suicide? * Hello Dear List, Sorry to be away again for so long - and you all have so many interesting posts and topics. Want to share the chart of someone whose father committed suicide. It's an interesting chart to view in that light. This happened at 2 weeks before her 12th birthday and obviously has been huge in her life. Birth data: May 31, 1927, 6:50 AM, San Pedro, CA, USA I just took a look at the transits on May 17, 1939, and interestingly there are 5 planets in her 11H, 3rd house from 9H of father. and in Aries, with Mars Neechabhanga in her natal chart. Mars itself in transit is in her 8H, and owning this 11H - 3rd for father, is now exatlted in transit in 8H, and in Sun's star, Sun another signifier for father is in transit 12H. Also Saturn, who is her natal lord of 9H, and is debilitated in Navamsa, and as well located in Nakshatra star of this debilitated Mars, is now in transit in debility and conjoined all these planets on this fateful day - Transiting Mars and Saturn are also in a close mutual aspect of one another on this day. Exalted Mars from 8H aspecting own rashi Aries, and Rahu being the only planets aspecting this rashi with transiting 5 conjoined planets, and Aries know for iniciative as well as the third house being known for this. Saturn not only debilitated but also in Ashwini in Gandanta, however such a slow moving planet and at 2:32 degrees, but still something I like to note. Something else I see here, and have been trying to take note of - but I don't know how more knowledgeable astrologers might view this - is that her 9H in cuspal chart shows cusp at less than 1 degree, at only 23 minutes. Although Uranus is not used in Jyotish, I have noted that it too is in transit in Aries, and if included would be 6 planets conjoined there, and Uranus is given in my significator book for suicide as well. On this day, native would have been in Saturn/Rahu/Venus/Saturn. This places her progressed dasa Moon in Ardra along with her ascendant - Ardra's symbol is a tear.. Venus owns 12H and although has exalted Moon in Taurus, Venus is weak by being in final degree of her ascendant, as well as having no planets in Rashi chart in Venus star. Moon owning 2H of family. This is doubly true in her case showing loss of family as Taurus is in 12H of loss and also represents family. Following this terrible day, she was sent off to live with her sister and husband, sister only 10 years her senior. Interestingly, she has also told me her sister was never interested in food much and there was often not much to eat, (again Taurus and 2H Moon). Venus and Ketu are in nakshatra exchange on this day with Venus closely conjoined this Saturn. Rahu in own star in 5H. (In natal chart Ketu in own star and only planet in Ketu's star.) Also on this day all planets final depositor is Mars, other than Jupiter who is in Pisces. I won't say here how he committed suicide if anyone would like to guess. It's a good example for checking this given all I've mentioned above and once you check this chart. All my best wishes, Patrice .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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