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Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Namaste Dear Neena, This was one of best things I have read in awhile. Thank you for sharing this with us. It is very uplifting to read about the Dalai Lama's early life as it highlights the reality of reincarnation and all that it entails. One does not get the hear of such beautiful events very often in the course of everyday life (as least I don't). This was a great find You know it is interesting that I am learning so much about the Dalai Lama at this time. Earlier in the year I received Tibetan prayer flags in the mail with a request for contribution from an non-profit organization in Washington D.C. that is helping to promote the Tibetan cause and not long ago I caught something briefly about the Tibetan New Year. Prior to this year the Dalai Lama and Tibet was not really on my radar screen at all. Maybe this will be a good year for Dalai Lama and Tibet or at the very least maybe I should be including him and his people in my prayers! The Dalai Lama's current dasa is Jupiter-Rahu (is that what you get, Wendy?). For the Gemini lagna this strongly activates 7th house matters and perhaps cooperation/partnership with China will get worked out before this period is over. Transit 7th lord Jupiter is in the 5th house conjunct natal Jupiter and Rahu is transiting the 10th. Perhaps September-October time period will bring some good news. If not this year then maybe during Saturn maha dasa which is coming up and looks to be good for either lagna. Any way, thank you again Neena, Sean (p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...) jyotish-vidya, <neenako wrote: > > <http://www.beliefnet.com> HOME <http://www.beliefnet.com> > RELIGIONS <http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_10000.html> > SPIRITUALITY <http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_200.html> > INSPIRATION <http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_900.html> > BELIEF-O-MATIC <http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html> > MEDITATIONS <http://www.beliefnet.com/index/index_207.html> > <http://bnimg2.beliefnet.com/1px.gif> > > This Beliefnet article is being sent to you by Neena: > > Dear Wendy and All, I came across this story and thought everyone would > like to read it. Neena > > My Son, the Dalai Lama > <http://www.beliefnet.com/story/24/story_2441_1.html> > > > If the link above is not clickable, please copy the URL below and paste > it into your internet browser: > http://www.beliefnet.com/story/24/story_2441_1.html > > > Beliefnet.com <http://www.beliefnet.com> is a multifaith source for > religion, spirituality and inspiration > _____ > > Copyright © 2005 Beliefnet, Inc. All rights reserved. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Dear Sean, //(p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...)// You certainly do have Gemini on the brain...in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary :-( As per the Taurus chart, the Dalai Lama was born in VE-SU-VE period, coming into MO pratyantar shortly after followed by Mars PD around April '37 (a few months before his 2nd birthday). Of course it's natural for infants to be strongly bonded to mother but this attachment was exceptional in his case...as his mother said: "When we went to visit friends or relatives, he never drank tea from any cup but mine. He never let anyone except me touch his blankets and he never placed them anywhere but next to mine." This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were conjunct in 4th house of mother. "If he came across a quarrelsome person, he would pick up a stick and try to beat him. If ever one of our guests lit up a cigarette, he would flare into a rage. Our friends told us that for some unaccountable reason they were afraid of him, tender in years as he was. This was all when he was over a year old and could hardly talk." Note 4th lord Sun (in nakshatra of Rahu) aspected by 8th lord Jupiter etc.. According to the mother's report he was a little more than 2 yrs old when he was recognised as the Dalai Lama and taken to Kumbum monastery... this would (likely) be during VE-MA-JU dasa. As we know, 12th house (4th from 9th) represents monasteries etc.. Bhukti lord Mars, lord of 12th, is aspecting 12th from 5th. PD lord Jupiter also aspects 12th (as well as 4th lord). An interesting point here is that, although he was unhappy when taken to the monastery (without his parents) he was comforted by the fact that his elder brother was there....note 11th (8th) lord Jupiter's aspect. In the summer of 1939 he left for Lhasa accompanied by his brother and parents... I know you're attached to Gemini lagna but I really do think its time to give up that attachment, don't you? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:10 AM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama Namaste Dear Neena, This was one of best things I have read in awhile. Thank you for sharing this with us. It is very uplifting to read about the Dalai Lama's early life as it highlights the reality of reincarnation and all that it entails. One does not get the hear of such beautiful events very often in the course of everyday life (as least I don't). This was a great find You know it is interesting that I am learning so much about the Dalai Lama at this time. Earlier in the year I received Tibetan prayer flags in the mail with a request for contribution from an non-profit organization in Washington D.C. that is helping to promote the Tibetan cause and not long ago I caught something briefly about the Tibetan New Year. Prior to this year the Dalai Lama and Tibet was not really on my radar screen at all. Maybe this will be a good year for Dalai Lama and Tibet or at the very least maybe I should be including him and his people in my prayers! The Dalai Lama's current dasa is Jupiter-Rahu (is that what you get, Wendy?). For the Gemini lagna this strongly activates 7th house matters and perhaps cooperation/partnership with China will get worked out before this period is over. Transit 7th lord Jupiter is in the 5th house conjunct natal Jupiter and Rahu is transiting the 10th. Perhaps September-October time period will bring some good news. If not this year then maybe during Saturn maha dasa which is coming up and looks to be good for either lagna. Any way, thank you again Neena, Sean (p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 PS: more information from this site: http://www.dalailama.com/page.4.htm _____________________ Dear Sean, //(p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...)// You certainly do have Gemini on the brain...in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary :-( As per the Taurus chart, the Dalai Lama was born in VE-SU-VE period, coming into MO pratyantar shortly after followed by Mars PD around April '37 (a few months before his 2nd birthday). Of course it's natural for infants to be strongly bonded to mother but this attachment was exceptional in his case...as his mother said: "When we went to visit friends or relatives, he never drank tea from any cup but mine. He never let anyone except me touch his blankets and he never placed them anywhere but next to mine." This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were conjunct in 4th house of mother. "If he came across a quarrelsome person, he would pick up a stick and try to beat him. If ever one of our guests lit up a cigarette, he would flare into a rage. Our friends told us that for some unaccountable reason they were afraid of him, tender in years as he was. This was all when he was over a year old and could hardly talk." Note 4th lord Sun (in nakshatra of Rahu) aspected by 8th lord Jupiter etc.. According to the mother's report he was a little more than 2 yrs old when he was recognised as the Dalai Lama and taken to Kumbum monastery... this would (likely) be during VE-MA-JU dasa. As we know, 12th house (4th from 9th) represents monasteries etc.. Bhukti lord Mars, lord of 12th, is aspecting 12th from 5th. PD lord Jupiter also aspects 12th (as well as 4th lord). An interesting point here is that, although he was unhappy when taken to the monastery (without his parents) he was comforted by the fact that his elder brother was there....note 11th (8th) lord Jupiter's aspect. In the summer of 1939 he left for Lhasa accompanied by his brother and parents... I know you're attached to Gemini lagna but I really do think its time to give up that attachment, don't you? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:10 AM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama Namaste Dear Neena, This was one of best things I have read in awhile. Thank you for sharing this with us. It is very uplifting to read about the Dalai Lama's early life as it highlights the reality of reincarnation and all that it entails. One does not get the hear of such beautiful events very often in the course of everyday life (as least I don't). This was a great find You know it is interesting that I am learning so much about the Dalai Lama at this time. Earlier in the year I received Tibetan prayer flags in the mail with a request for contribution from an non-profit organization in Washington D.C. that is helping to promote the Tibetan cause and not long ago I caught something briefly about the Tibetan New Year. Prior to this year the Dalai Lama and Tibet was not really on my radar screen at all. Maybe this will be a good year for Dalai Lama and Tibet or at the very least maybe I should be including him and his people in my prayers! The Dalai Lama's current dasa is Jupiter-Rahu (is that what you get, Wendy?). For the Gemini lagna this strongly activates 7th house matters and perhaps cooperation/partnership with China will get worked out before this period is over. Transit 7th lord Jupiter is in the 5th house conjunct natal Jupiter and Rahu is transiting the 10th. Perhaps September-October time period will bring some good news. If not this year then maybe during Saturn maha dasa which is coming up and looks to be good for either lagna. Any way, thank you again Neena, Sean (p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Typo, sorry... //This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were conjunct in 4th house of mother.// That, of course, should read "pratyantar lord Moon". _____________________ Dear Sean, //(p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...)// You certainly do have Gemini on the brain...in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary :-( As per the Taurus chart, the Dalai Lama was born in VE-SU-VE period, coming into MO pratyantar shortly after followed by Mars PD around April '37 (a few months before his 2nd birthday). Of course it's natural for infants to be strongly bonded to mother but this attachment was exceptional in his case...as his mother said: "When we went to visit friends or relatives, he never drank tea from any cup but mine. He never let anyone except me touch his blankets and he never placed them anywhere but next to mine." This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were conjunct in 4th house of mother. "If he came across a quarrelsome person, he would pick up a stick and try to beat him. If ever one of our guests lit up a cigarette, he would flare into a rage. Our friends told us that for some unaccountable reason they were afraid of him, tender in years as he was. This was all when he was over a year old and could hardly talk." Note 4th lord Sun (in nakshatra of Rahu) aspected by 8th lord Jupiter etc.. According to the mother's report he was a little more than 2 yrs old when he was recognised as the Dalai Lama and taken to Kumbum monastery... this would (likely) be during VE-MA-JU dasa. As we know, 12th house (4th from 9th) represents monasteries etc.. Bhukti lord Mars, lord of 12th, is aspecting 12th from 5th. PD lord Jupiter also aspects 12th (as well as 4th lord). An interesting point here is that, although he was unhappy when taken to the monastery (without his parents) he was comforted by the fact that his elder brother was there....note 11th (8th) lord Jupiter's aspect. In the summer of 1939 he left for Lhasa accompanied by his brother and parents... I know you're attached to Gemini lagna but I really do think its time to give up that attachment, don't you? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 - Dear Wendy and Sean, do check up if the lifespan attributed to Taurus or Gemini lagna is PurnaAyu/ Param ayu ? My books are not here with me. Dalai lama has said that his horoscope reveals an age of 120 years ,though he says his dreams say 100 years. But he hopes to live well into the nineties and he credits this to Tibetan medicine. If either of the lagnas show this life span than that would be the correct lagna. Dalai lama has referred to his horoscope, so he knows !! Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Typo, sorry... > > //This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable > considering > dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were > conjunct in 4th house of mother.// > > That, of course, should read "pratyantar lord Moon". > _____________________ > > Dear Sean, > > //(p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his > early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the > ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...)// > > You certainly do have Gemini on the brain...in spite of overwhelming > evidence to the contrary :-( > > As per the Taurus chart, the Dalai Lama was born in VE-SU-VE period, > coming into MO pratyantar shortly after followed by Mars PD around > April '37 (a few months before his 2nd birthday). Of course it's > natural for infants to be strongly bonded to mother but this > attachment was exceptional in his case...as his mother said: > > "When we went to visit friends or relatives, he never drank tea from > any cup but mine. He never let anyone except me touch his blankets > and he never placed them anywhere but next to mine." > > This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering > dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were > conjunct in 4th house of mother. > > "If he came across a quarrelsome person, he would pick up a stick and > try to beat him. If ever one of our guests lit up a cigarette, he > would flare into a rage. Our friends told us that for some > unaccountable reason they were afraid of him, tender in years as he > was. This was all when he was over a year old and could hardly talk." > > Note 4th lord Sun (in nakshatra of Rahu) aspected by 8th lord Jupiter > etc.. > > According to the mother's report he was a little more than 2 yrs old > when he was recognised as the Dalai Lama and taken to Kumbum > monastery... this would (likely) be during VE-MA-JU dasa. As we know, > 12th house (4th from 9th) represents monasteries etc.. Bhukti lord > Mars, lord of 12th, is aspecting 12th from 5th. PD lord Jupiter also > aspects 12th (as well as 4th lord). An interesting point here is > that, although he was unhappy when taken to the monastery (without > his parents) he was comforted by the fact that his elder brother was > there....note 11th (8th) lord Jupiter's aspect. > > In the summer of 1939 he left for Lhasa accompanied by his brother > and parents... > > I know you're attached to Gemini lagna but I really do think its time > to give up that attachment, don't you? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Dear Neena, No time to go further into this at the moment except to say that Rahu in 8th in sign of Sagittarius is good for longevity as is 8th lord Jupiter in 11th from 8th (house of gains). 3rd and 1st lords (in kendra) in mutual aspect with YogaKaraka Saturn is also good for longevity. Note.. lagnesh Venus (owning 6th) is dispositor of 8th lord Jupiter. Also to be noted (Taurus lagna) are the indications for "residence in foreign land" with 10th lord Saturn in 10th (and aspecting 7th)... Both 7th and 10th govern residence in foreign land (living abroad). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:47 PM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama - Dear Wendy and Sean, do check up if the lifespan attributed to Taurus or Gemini lagna is PurnaAyu/ Param ayu ? My books are not here with me. Dalai lama has said that his horoscope reveals an age of 120 years ,though he says his dreams say 100 years. But he hopes to live well into the nineties and he credits this to Tibetan medicine. If either of the lagnas show this life span than that would be the correct lagna. Dalai lama has referred to his horoscope, so he knows !! Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Namaste, Wendy, I'll try to respond to each of your points when I have more time. The unusual behavior that I was refering to in my last e-mail was that he was unwilling to sit lower than any one else - to me this can be seen as support for Sun in close association with lagna, conjuct lagnesh. I found the behaviour regarding his mother to be less significant because as you say, infants are naturally attached to Mother and Venus is conjuct Moon regardless of lagna. I think we may be able to agree that it is not a good idea to break the timing of events down past the secondary dasa level because the exact TOB is not known - as you stated you have not rectified the birth time after getting the Taurus lagna by accident. Wendy, while it is true that I've been relentless in pointing out what I see makes the Gemini lagna at least equally feasible, please don't write it off as an attachement. I don't feel like my responses have been emotional (have they seemed emotional?) and I've kept the discussion relevant to the chart(s). I honestly think I've brought up some good points and I obviously do not find the evidence for Taurus lagna as overwhelming as you do otherwise this discussion would not have come about. Other more experienced astrologers than I have used the Gemini lagna for the Dalai Lama. Afterall, the astrodatabank's data gives a lagna positioned in the middle of Gemini. Honestly, it is not like I came up with the Gemini lagna on my own and decided to stick with it because I am attached. At the least, it certainly deserved to be given a thorough review. I've also looked at the Virgo lagna besides the Gemini and Taurus, because Gary Gomes used that one (I don't know if he is well-respected), but it made very little sense to me. Neena, I am not familiar with all of the indicators of longevity -- if you know then please post and we can take a look this from both lagnas. I've already put forth the main points regarding why the Gemini lagna makes sense to me, so if the the group would like to proceed with the Taurus lagna then I have no problem "letting go" of this disussion. Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Typo, sorry... > > //This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable > considering > dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were > conjunct in 4th house of mother.// > > That, of course, should read "pratyantar lord Moon". > _____________________ > > Dear Sean, > > //(p.s. some of the behavior exihibited by the Dalai Lama in his > early life did bring to mind one who has the Sun conjuct the > ascendant but I know I have Gemini lagna on the brain...)// > > You certainly do have Gemini on the brain...in spite of overwhelming > evidence to the contrary :-( > > As per the Taurus chart, the Dalai Lama was born in VE-SU-VE period, > coming into MO pratyantar shortly after followed by Mars PD around > April '37 (a few months before his 2nd birthday). Of course it's > natural for infants to be strongly bonded to mother but this > attachment was exceptional in his case...as his mother said: > > "When we went to visit friends or relatives, he never drank tea from > any cup but mine. He never let anyone except me touch his blankets > and he never placed them anywhere but next to mine." > > This (very) strong identity with mother is understandable considering > dasa lord Venus(lagna lord) and bhukti lord Moon(mother) were > conjunct in 4th house of mother. > > "If he came across a quarrelsome person, he would pick up a stick and > try to beat him. If ever one of our guests lit up a cigarette, he > would flare into a rage. Our friends told us that for some > unaccountable reason they were afraid of him, tender in years as he > was. This was all when he was over a year old and could hardly talk." > > Note 4th lord Sun (in nakshatra of Rahu) aspected by 8th lord Jupiter > etc.. > > According to the mother's report he was a little more than 2 yrs old > when he was recognised as the Dalai Lama and taken to Kumbum > monastery... this would (likely) be during VE-MA-JU dasa. As we know, > 12th house (4th from 9th) represents monasteries etc.. Bhukti lord > Mars, lord of 12th, is aspecting 12th from 5th. PD lord Jupiter also > aspects 12th (as well as 4th lord). An interesting point here is > that, although he was unhappy when taken to the monastery (without > his parents) he was comforted by the fact that his elder brother was > there....note 11th (8th) lord Jupiter's aspect. > > In the summer of 1939 he left for Lhasa accompanied by his brother > and parents... > > I know you're attached to Gemini lagna but I really do think its time > to give up that attachment, don't you? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Sean, //Neena, I am not familiar with all of the indicators of longevity -- if you know then please post and we can take a look this from both lagnas.// Please see http://jyotishvidya.com/ch43.htm //Wendy, while it is true that I've been relentless in pointing out what I see makes the Gemini lagna at least equally feasible, please don't write it off as an attachement. I don't feel like my responses have been emotional (have they seemed emotional?) and I've kept the discussion relevant to the chart(s). I honestly think I've brought up some good points and I obviously do not find the evidence for Taurus lagna as overwhelming as you do otherwise this discussion would not have come about.// I never inferred that they were emotional Sean...lacking experience perhaps and attached to your ideas but I did not say you were emotional? //I think we may be able to agree that it is not a good idea to break the timing of events down past the secondary dasa level because the exact TOB is not known - as you stated you have not rectified the birth time after getting the Taurus lagna by accident.// Based on the evidence so far (to pratyantar level) I have to disagree with this. You obviously would prefer not to consider pratyantar as it so strongly supports. Taurus. //Other more experienced astrologers than I have used the Gemini lagna for the Dalai Lama.// We would need to consider who the "more experienced" astrologers are and what success they've had in rectification. It seems to me you've barely considered the evidence I've put forward in support of Taurus. Of course we do have to make allowance for the current retrograde status of Jupiter, Mercury and Saturn...even so, it should be possible for a learner to at least consider the weight of the knowledge offered by a senior astrologer. The groups today seem to shrug off the value of experience and are (often) quite disrespectful towards senior astrologers. I'm absolutely horrified by the ranting and ravings of Das Goravani on his group. It basically boils down to simple bad behaviour...of course one has to have the horoscope for that. If right behaviour (righteousness) and respect for elders is ingrained into ones nature that will prevail in spite of difficult transits. Thank You, MRS. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:51 PM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama Namaste, Wendy, I'll try to respond to each of your points when I have more time. The unusual behavior that I was refering to in my last e-mail was that he was unwilling to sit lower than any one else - to me this can be seen as support for Sun in close association with lagna, conjuct lagnesh. I found the behaviour regarding his mother to be less significant because as you say, infants are naturally attached to Mother and Venus is conjuct Moon regardless of lagna. I think we may be able to agree that it is not a good idea to break the timing of events down past the secondary dasa level because the exact TOB is not known - as you stated you have not rectified the birth time after getting the Taurus lagna by accident. Wendy, while it is true that I've been relentless in pointing out what I see makes the Gemini lagna at least equally feasible, please don't write it off as an attachement. I don't feel like my responses have been emotional (have they seemed emotional?) and I've kept the discussion relevant to the chart(s). I honestly think I've brought up some good points and I obviously do not find the evidence for Taurus lagna as overwhelming as you do otherwise this discussion would not have come about. Other more experienced astrologers than I have used the Gemini lagna for the Dalai Lama. Afterall, the astrodatabank's data gives a lagna positioned in the middle of Gemini. Honestly, it is not like I came up with the Gemini lagna on my own and decided to stick with it because I am attached. At the least, it certainly deserved to be given a thorough review. I've also looked at the Virgo lagna besides the Gemini and Taurus, because Gary Gomes used that one (I don't know if he is well-respected), but it made very little sense to me. Neena, I am not familiar with all of the indicators of longevity -- if you know then please post and we can take a look this from both lagnas. I've already put forth the main points regarding why the Gemini lagna makes sense to me, so if the the group would like to proceed with the Taurus lagna then I have no problem "letting go" of this disussion. Take it easy, Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Dear Neena and All, Although I cannot seem to lay my hands on any (other) reference at the moment, I have come across a reference in James Braha's book regarding Rahu in 8th. This first book of his, as opposed to his later writings where he seemed to go off the track, was based on the taped conversations he had with such eminent astrologers as Sri R Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M Padia. For Rahu in 8th he states: "With this placement it is especially important to note whether Rahu is in the sign of a friend or in Jupiter's signs Sagittarius and Pisces. For in these signs it will give fairly good results regarding longevity and other 8th house affairs. Rahu in the 8th generally gives a spiritual influence but limits one's ability to achieve worldly benefits" This totally supports what I had previously written (Mar 16 msg #2802) [*8th house, as we know, shows our enemies...enemies in battle as opposed to 6th house competitors/rivals/vices etc.. There can be no doubt of the significance of 8th lord's aspect on Saturn and the effect it had on his position as (all-over) leader of the Tibetan people. PS: Just one last observation in support of this chart. We know that Tibetan Buddhism is tantric by nature - Note Jupiter's dispositorship of Rahu (in 8th) and consider again (this) Jupiter's aspect on 9th/10th lord.] Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:54 PM Re: Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama Dear Neena, No time to go further into this at the moment except to say that Rahu in 8th in sign of Sagittarius is good for longevity as is 8th lord Jupiter in 11th from 8th (house of gains). 3rd and 1st lords (in kendra) in mutual aspect with YogaKaraka Saturn is also good for longevity. Note.. lagnesh Venus (owning 6th) is dispositor of 8th lord Jupiter. Also to be noted (Taurus lagna) are the indications for "residence in foreign land" with 10th lord Saturn in 10th (and aspecting 7th)... Both 7th and 10th govern residence in foreign land (living abroad). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:47 PM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama - Dear Wendy and Sean, do check up if the lifespan attributed to Taurus or Gemini lagna is PurnaAyu/ Param ayu ? My books are not here with me. Dalai lama has said that his horoscope reveals an age of 120 years ,though he says his dreams say 100 years. But he hopes to live well into the nineties and he credits this to Tibetan medicine. If either of the lagnas show this life span than that would be the correct lagna. Dalai lama has referred to his horoscope, so he knows !! Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 -- Dear Wendy, Thanks for the reference. I have not read James Braha's book, but am glad and thankful to you for the reference. Planets in the 8th are generally considered to give all sorts of problems, but the 8th place is not all bad as witnessed in real life examples. Rahu dasa can give an unsettled life , with frequent changes in places of residence. Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not activated my version of PL. Another book that gives detailed descriptions of the variuos yogas is Jataka Parijat. But again I do not have this book here with me. So am not able to verify if the yoga occurs in DL's horoscope. The discussion on Dalai Lama's horoscope has been very informative and I for one have gained a lot from it. While researching his horoscope I went through his quotes and teachings (which perhaps , I would otherwise not have done) and found his teachings so down to earth and applicable to everyone. Such beautiful words and thoughts! Thanks for bringing up this discussion. As Ever, Neena - In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena and All, > > Although I cannot seem to lay my hands on any (other) reference at > the moment, I have come across a reference in James Braha's book > regarding Rahu in 8th. This first book of his, as opposed to his > later writings where he seemed to go off the track, was based on the > taped conversations he had with such eminent astrologers as Sri R > Santhanam and Sri Poputlal M Padia. > > For Rahu in 8th he states: > "With this placement it is especially important to note whether Rahu > is in the sign of a friend or in Jupiter's signs Sagittarius and > Pisces. For in these signs it will give fairly good results regarding > longevity and other 8th house affairs. Rahu in the 8th generally > gives a spiritual influence but limits one's ability to achieve > worldly benefits" > > This totally supports what I had previously written (Mar 16 msg > #2802) > > [*8th house, as we know, shows our enemies...enemies in battle as > opposed to 6th house competitors/rivals/vices etc.. There can be no > doubt of the significance of 8th lord's aspect on Saturn and the > effect it had on his position as (all-over) leader of the Tibetan > people. > > PS: Just one last observation in support of this chart. We know that > Tibetan Buddhism is tantric by nature - Note Jupiter's dispositorship > of Rahu (in 8th) and consider again (this) Jupiter's aspect on > 9th/10th lord.] > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:54 PM > Re: Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama > > Dear Neena, > > No time to go further into this at the moment except to say that Rahu > in 8th in sign of Sagittarius is good for longevity as is 8th lord > Jupiter in 11th from 8th (house of gains). 3rd and 1st lords (in > kendra) in mutual aspect with YogaKaraka Saturn is also good for > longevity. Note.. lagnesh Venus (owning 6th) is dispositor of 8th > lord Jupiter. > > Also to be noted (Taurus lagna) are the indications for "residence in > foreign land" with 10th lord Saturn in 10th (and aspecting 7th)... > Both 7th and 10th govern residence in foreign land (living abroad). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:47 PM > Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama > > - > Dear Wendy and Sean, > > do check up if the lifespan attributed to Taurus or Gemini lagna is > PurnaAyu/ Param ayu ? > > My books are not here with me. > > Dalai lama has said that his horoscope reveals an age of 120 > years ,though he says his dreams say 100 years. But he hopes to live > well into the nineties and he credits this to Tibetan medicine. > > If either of the lagnas show this life span than that would be the > correct lagna. > Dalai lama has referred to his horoscope, so he knows !! > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Dear Neena, //Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not activated my version of PL.// Some error has mysteriously occurred in my PL and I can't access the Yogas. But, just in time, the new software PL7.0 has arrived today. I must busy myself now uninstalling the old software and installing the new one - hope it's all it's cracked up to be. I've been (slowly) exporting my charts but it's such a slow process (exporting one at a time) and my patience is wearing thin, I'm afraid. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:40 PM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama -- Dear Wendy, Thanks for the reference. I have not read James Braha's book, but am glad and thankful to you for the reference. Planets in the 8th are generally considered to give all sorts of problems, but the 8th place is not all bad as witnessed in real life examples. Rahu dasa can give an unsettled life , with frequent changes in places of residence. Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not activated my version of PL. Another book that gives detailed descriptions of the variuos yogas is Jataka Parijat. But again I do not have this book here with me. So am not able to verify if the yoga occurs in DL's horoscope. The discussion on Dalai Lama's horoscope has been very informative and I for one have gained a lot from it. While researching his horoscope I went through his quotes and teachings (which perhaps , I would otherwise not have done) and found his teachings so down to earth and applicable to everyone. Such beautiful words and thoughts! Thanks for bringing up this discussion. As Ever, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Sean, > > //Neena, I am not familiar with all of the indicators of longevity - - > if you know then please post and we can take a look this from both > lagnas.// > > Please see http://jyotishvidya.com/ch43.htm > > //Wendy, while it is true that I've been relentless in pointing out > what I see makes the Gemini lagna at least equally feasible, please > don't write it off as an attachement. I don't feel like my responses > have been emotional (have they seemed emotional?) and I've kept the > discussion relevant to the chart(s). I honestly think I've brought > up some good points and I obviously do not find the evidence for > Taurus lagna as overwhelming as you do otherwise this discussion > would not have come about.// > > I never inferred that they were emotional Sean...lacking experience > perhaps and attached to your ideas but I did not say you were > emotional? > > //I think we may be able to agree that it is not a good idea to break > the timing of events down past the secondary dasa level because the > exact TOB is not known - as you stated you have not rectified the > birth time after getting the Taurus lagna by accident.// > > Based on the evidence so far (to pratyantar level) I have to disagree > with this. You obviously would prefer not to consider pratyantar as > it so strongly supports. Taurus. Wendy, that is not the case. Actually, I have not considered the pratyantar level at all for either lagna. It didn't make sense to me to do so as it would vary quite a bit for both lagnas depending on which time one's uses. There is enough difference between the two lagnas to make a comparision with out having to go into the detail of the pratyantar dasa. If you'd like to compare the prantyantar dasas between Taurus and Gemini lagna then that is your perogrative, but I am not going to join in on that. > > //Other more experienced astrologers than I have used the Gemini > lagna for the Dalai Lama.// > > We would need to consider who the "more experienced" astrologers are > and what success they've had in rectification. > > It seems to me you've barely considered the evidence I've put forward > in support of Taurus. Of course we do have to make allowance for the > current retrograde status of Jupiter, Mercury and Saturn...even so, > it should be possible for a learner to at least consider the weight > of the knowledge offered by a senior astrologer. I have considered it and as I said a number of times - I agree that there is evidence that supports the Taurus lagna but that I see equally good evidence for the Gemini lagna. I have also stated that I know I could be off base, but I have to write what makes sense to me. > > The groups today seem to shrug off the value of experience and are > (often) quite disrespectful towards senior astrologers. Is this is reference to me? I don't think it is, but if so please don't take my engaging in a debate as a form of disrepect. I am going to write what makes sense to me no matter if it is in agreement with you or anyone else. Thank you for posting the link to the BPHS chapter regarding longevity. I don't have access to the charts right now, but next time I get a chance I will do a side-by-side comparison of the 2 lagnas with longevity in mind and maybe that way it won't be misunderstood that I am not considering the Taurus lagna. Maybe you could do the same if time allows -- unless I am mistaken, all of your comments thus far have been regarding the Taurus chart. Take it easy, Sean >I'm > absolutely horrified by the ranting and ravings of Das Goravani on > his group. It basically boils down to simple bad behaviour...of > course one has to have the horoscope for that. If right behaviour > (righteousness) and respect for elders is ingrained into ones nature > that will prevail in spite of difficult transits. > > Thank You, > MRS. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "Sean Patrick Kelly" <toosean > <jyotish-vidya> > Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:51 PM > Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama > > > Namaste, > > Wendy, > > I'll try to respond to each of your points when I have more time. > > The unusual behavior that I was refering to in my last e-mail was > that he was unwilling to sit lower than any one else - to me this can > be seen as support for Sun in close association with lagna, conjuct > lagnesh. > > I found the behaviour regarding his mother to be less significant > because as you say, infants are naturally attached to Mother and > Venus is conjuct Moon regardless of lagna. > > I think we may be able to agree that it is not a good idea to break > the timing of events down past the secondary dasa level because the > exact TOB is not known - as you stated you have not rectified the > birth time after getting the Taurus lagna by accident. > > Wendy, while it is true that I've been relentless in pointing out > what I see makes the Gemini lagna at least equally feasible, please > don't write it off as an attachement. I don't feel like my responses > have been emotional (have they seemed emotional?) and I've kept the > discussion relevant to the chart(s). I honestly think I've brought > up some good points and I obviously do not find the evidence for > Taurus lagna as overwhelming as you do otherwise this discussion > would not have come about. > > Other more experienced astrologers than I have used the Gemini lagna > for the Dalai Lama. Afterall, the astrodatabank's data gives a lagna > positioned in the middle of Gemini. Honestly, it is not like I came > up with the Gemini lagna on my own and decided to stick with it > because I am attached. At the least, it certainly deserved to be > given a thorough review. I've also looked at the Virgo lagna besides > the Gemini and Taurus, because Gary Gomes used that one (I don't > know if he is well-respected), but it made very little sense to me. > > Neena, I am not familiar with all of the indicators of longevity -- > if you know then please post and we can take a look this from both > lagnas. > > I've already put forth the main points regarding why the Gemini lagna > makes sense to me, so if the the group would like to proceed with the > Taurus lagna then I have no problem "letting go" of this > disussion. > > Take it easy, > Sean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Dear Sean, //unless I am mistaken, all of your comments thus far have been regarding the Taurus chart.// On the contrary Sean, I have poured over the Gemini chart for endless hours trying to find the Dalai Lama there, but there's just too much that contradicts. I don't mean to be argumentative and insist that I'm right and you're wrong just for the sake of it. The Dalai Lama's very nature alone (without all the other pointers) convinces me he's Taurus. His Ascendant lord Venus (conjunct Moon) in 4th house and aspected by YogaKaraka (9th lord) Saturn is a strong testament to his religious life. 4th house governs holy places, moral virtues, devotion to God, piety, righteous conduct, good name and reputation, honours and degrees etc.. Compare that with F/M Mars in 4th (with no benefic aspect)? Ninth Lord in 10th is even more supportive of the life we know is his. 9th is a dharma house and governs religion, faith, worship, piety, morals, ethics, foreign travels (air travels) etc. And we cannot doubt that his actions in this life - 10th being house of Karma - have been to make his religion known and accessible to the whole world. 10th as you know governs reputation, renown, fame, prestige, success and status in society. All of this has come about through his role as a great religious leader (9th house)... I could go on and on comparing the two charts infinitum, but I think I've said enough for now. I do admit that, due to many things over the last few days, I'm more than a little short of patience... so perhaps it's better if I leave this here for the time being and maybe we can pick it up another time when I'm (hopefully) feeling a little less irritable than I am at the moment. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Dear Neena, //Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not activated my version of PL.// Yes, purnayu yoga is present in the Gemini chart. However there are also yogas indicating long span of life for Taurus i.e... *If an angle contains a benefic while the ascendant lord is conjunct or in aspect to a benefic (or Jupiter in particular), the native will live a full span of life. *The stronger among the ascendant lord and the 8th lord if in an angle will confer long life. etc, etc... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:40 PM Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama -- Dear Wendy, Thanks for the reference. I have not read James Braha's book, but am glad and thankful to you for the reference. Planets in the 8th are generally considered to give all sorts of problems, but the 8th place is not all bad as witnessed in real life examples. Rahu dasa can give an unsettled life , with frequent changes in places of residence. Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not activated my version of PL. Another book that gives detailed descriptions of the variuos yogas is Jataka Parijat. But again I do not have this book here with me. So am not able to verify if the yoga occurs in DL's horoscope. The discussion on Dalai Lama's horoscope has been very informative and I for one have gained a lot from it. While researching his horoscope I went through his quotes and teachings (which perhaps , I would otherwise not have done) and found his teachings so down to earth and applicable to everyone. Such beautiful words and thoughts! Thanks for bringing up this discussion. As Ever, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 -- Dear Wendy, The lifespan of 120 years is attributed to Purna ayu yoga. Long life would be Deergha Ayu yoga. Dalai Lama has actually said that his horoscope shows a life span of 120 years, which would be purna ayu . Regards, Neena - In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > //Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, > you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not > activated my version of PL.// > > Yes, purnayu yoga is present in the Gemini chart. However there are > also yogas indicating long span of life for Taurus i.e... > > *If an angle contains a benefic while the ascendant lord is conjunct > or in aspect to a benefic (or Jupiter in particular), the native will > live a full span of life. > > *The stronger among the ascendant lord and the 8th lord if in an > angle will confer long life. > > etc, etc... > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:40 PM > Re: FWD: My Son, the Dalai Lama > > -- > Dear Wendy, > Thanks for the reference. I have not read James Braha's book, but am > glad and thankful to you for the reference. > > Planets in the 8th are generally considered to give all sorts of > problems, but the 8th place is not all bad as witnessed in real life > examples. > > Rahu dasa can give an unsettled life , with frequent changes in > places of residence. > > Regarding the purnaayu yoga, Wendy, since you have the PL software, > you will find reference to this under yogas. I still have not > activated my version of PL. > > Another book that gives detailed descriptions of the variuos yogas > is Jataka Parijat. But again I do not have this book here with me. > So am not able to verify if the yoga occurs in DL's horoscope. > > The discussion on Dalai Lama's horoscope has been very informative > and I for one have gained a lot from it. > > While researching his horoscope I went through his quotes and > teachings (which perhaps , I would otherwise not have done) and > found his teachings so down to earth and applicable to everyone. > > Such beautiful words and thoughts! Thanks for bringing up this > discussion. > > As Ever, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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