Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 dear group my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting www.wandahl.com<http://www.wandahl.com/> after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection this simple conclusion was arrived in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup in this sep up and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet kind regs jiger shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 - What about the 5/9 relationship of Saturn and Jupiter? Jupiter aspects Saturn but Saturn does not return the aspect. You have mentioned that 6/8 position is best Why so? -- In jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > dear group > > my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for > > my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting > > www.wandahl.com<http://www.wandahl.com/> > > after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection > > this simple conclusion was arrived > > in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best > > when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events > > when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup > in this sep up > > and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn > > if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet > > kind regs jiger shah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 no relation between jup sat is always better so 6/8 is best 2/12 is still not so good about 5/9 I thought I mentioned that when jup aspects saturn sat is help less ( harmless) 5/9 is same as sat reciving aspect of jup - neenako<neenako jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:54 AM Re: sat and jup - What about the 5/9 relationship of Saturn and Jupiter? Jupiter aspects Saturn but Saturn does not return the aspect. You have mentioned that 6/8 position is best Why so? -- In jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > dear group > > my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for > > my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting > > www.wandahl.com<http://www.wandahl.com/<http://www.wandahl.com/>> > > after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection > > this simple conclusion was arrived > > in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best > > when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events > > when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup > in this sep up > > and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn > > if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet > > kind regs jiger shah > > > > Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO\ 4MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> Personal reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&\ w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD\ 0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37Z\ Q_wOuOlD9B7beQ> Astrology software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p\ pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 replying to my own mail this rules are not rules of thumb they are 100 % flexible but generally this principles seemed working to generate a very accurate nadi reading and there will be charts where this rules may not apply there are so many nadi rules that defy the logic I am in no capacity to find them what ever emerged out of this ocean I try to share without creating controversy and may not be able to give explain it in greater depth it is up to me and other students to keep them in mind and try to apply them see if they work regs jiger the - jiger shah<jigershah jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:26 AM sat and jup dear group my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting www.wandahl.com<http://www.wandahl.com/<http://www.wandahl.com<http://wwwwandahl\ ..com/>> after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection this simple conclusion was arrived in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup in this sep up and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet kind regs jiger shah Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO\ 4MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> Personal reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&\ w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD\ 0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37Z\ Q_wOuOlD9B7beQ> Astrology software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p\ pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Jiger, The problem with these (generic) rules? is that the individual lordship of the planets may be overlooked entirely. Perhaps, Jiger, you might like to employ the said rule to the following horoscope and give your interpretation:-) Any other members like to share their thoughts on this chart? Dalai Lama Jul 6 1935 (04:38) Tengster Village, China 36N32, 101E12 PS: Astrodatabank gives this time an A rating. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "jiger shah" <jigershah <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:26 PM sat and jup dear group my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection this simple conclusion was arrived in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup in this sep up and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet kind regs jiger shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Dear Wendy, There is a lot of truth in what Jiger has said about Sat and Jup ( though I may not agree with the 6/8 rule), subject to the usual variations like lordship, avsthas etc. These other conditions add their own shades to the complete picture, so it does not remain pure black and white!! It is often seen and said that Saturn's placement may or may not be bad but its aspect will always be bad( for want of a better word). The sting of Saturn will always remain in its aspect, whereas the aspect of Jupiter will always bring some good even if its placement is not good. Something to do with their innate qualities? In the horosccopes of religious leaders very often the link between these two planets is found. But then it would be no? The divine planet and the planet of austerity, trials and tribulations. I have not seen the horoscope of Dalai Lama as yet But it should be a good study in tis respect. Will get back on this ASAP. Regards, Neena jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Jiger, > > The problem with these (generic) rules? is that the individual > lordship of the planets may be overlooked entirely. > > Perhaps, Jiger, you might like to employ the said rule to the > following horoscope and give your interpretation:-) > > Any other members like to share their thoughts on this chart? > > Dalai Lama > Jul 6 1935 (04:38) > Tengster Village, China > 36N32, 101E12 > > PS: Astrodatabank gives this time an A rating. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "jiger shah" <jigershah > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:26 PM > sat and jup > > > dear group > > my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh > prashna readings in English for > > my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's > website is also very interesting > > after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my > collection > > this simple conclusion was arrived > > in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best > > when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results > for every major events > > when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is > capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup > in this sep up > > and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of > controlling Saturn > > if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet > > kind regs jiger shah > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dear Neena, //There is a lot of truth in what Jiger has said about Sat and Jup// Of course there is! this is a basic, Neena, surely! It would be assumed that even beginners are familiar with the effect of divine planet Jupiter's aspect on grief causing Saturn. Saturn is the planet of denial, disappointments, pain, separation etc; and Jupiter is the planet of good-luck, providence, wealth and happiness. The effect of aspect (one to the other) is elementary...something all astrologers should have no trouble grasping. It's not a hidden secret discovered in some Nadi text. //subject to the usual variations like lordship, avsthas etc. These other conditions add their own shades to the complete picture, so it does not remain pure black and white!!// Lordships, avasthas are extremely important...extremely! This is the reason I offered the Dalai Lama's chart for consideration. Certainly the spiritual implications are evident, but this aspect of Jupiter also has (strong) negative implications - highlighting the need to consider lordship etc., against accepting blind rules. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:25 PM Re: sat and jup Dear Wendy, There is a lot of truth in what Jiger has said about Sat and Jup ( though I may not agree with the 6/8 rule), subject to the usual variations like lordship, avsthas etc. These other conditions add their own shades to the complete picture, so it does not remain pure black and white!! It is often seen and said that Saturn's placement may or may not be bad but its aspect will always be bad( for want of a better word). The sting of Saturn will always remain in its aspect, whereas the aspect of Jupiter will always bring some good even if its placement is not good. Something to do with their innate qualities? In the horosccopes of religious leaders very often the link between these two planets is found. But then it would be no? The divine planet and the planet of austerity, trials and tribulations. I have not seen the horoscope of Dalai Lama as yet But it should be a good study in tis respect. Will get back on this ASAP. Regards, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 - dear Wendy, i have the Dalai Lama's chart here in front of me. But before I make any comment on it just wanted to check out that I had the correct calculations: asc is Taurus 29*54' asc lord Venus in 4th house with Moon yogkaraka Saturn retrograde in 10th Jupiter in 6th aspecting Saturn without Saturn returning the aspect, Sun Mercury, Ketu in 2nd house and Rahu in the 8th. This chart has many interesting features. But before I get into that, please confirm I have the correct chart? Also for comparison we can take another chart: d.o.b 6July, 1936 t.o.b 3-25 a.m. p.o.b Lyallpur, Pakistan. And see how the differences in the two charts pan out and affect fortunes. Regards, Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Neena, > > //There is a lot of truth in what Jiger has said about Sat and Jup// > > Of course there is! this is a basic, Neena, surely! It would be > assumed that even beginners are familiar with the effect of divine > planet Jupiter's aspect on grief causing Saturn. Saturn is the planet > of denial, disappointments, pain, separation etc; and Jupiter is the > planet of good-luck, providence, wealth and happiness. > > The effect of aspect (one to the other) is elementary...something all > astrologers should have no trouble grasping. It's not a hidden secret > discovered in some Nadi text. > > //subject to the usual > variations like lordship, avsthas etc. These other conditions add > their own shades to the complete picture, so it does not remain pure > black and white!!// > > Lordships, avasthas are extremely important...extremely! This is the > reason I offered the Dalai Lama's chart for consideration. Certainly > the spiritual implications are evident, but this aspect of Jupiter > also has (strong) negative implications - highlighting the need to > consider lordship etc., against accepting blind rules. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "neenako" <neenako > <jyotish-vidya> > Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:25 PM > Re: sat and jup > > > Dear Wendy, > > There is a lot of truth in what Jiger has said about Sat and Jup ( > though I may not agree with the 6/8 rule), subject to the usual > variations like lordship, avsthas etc. These other conditions add > their own shades to the complete picture, so it does not remain pure > black and white!! > > It is often seen and said that Saturn's placement may or may not be > bad but its aspect will always be bad( for want of a better word). > The sting of Saturn will always remain in its aspect, whereas the > aspect of Jupiter will always bring some good even if its placement > is not good. Something to do with their innate qualities? > > In the horosccopes of religious leaders very often the link between > these two planets is found. But then it would be no? The divine > planet and the planet of austerity, trials and tribulations. > > I have not seen the horoscope of Dalai Lama as yet But it should be > a good study in tis respect. Will get back on this ASAP. > > Regards, > > Neena > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 dear wendy in nadi writings a single reading applies to many people al those are born under same brighu yoga have same life patterns even ascend is ignored sometimes predictions are created just using natural zodiac here in lama chart it dose not matter geimini or cancer ascendent ' the good is obviously present that sat is aspected by jup the evil that satrun brings out the satanic behaviour thoughts evil deeds under influence of saturn is all checked by jup and the better part of saturn like detatchment hard ship is allowed to be at play regs jiger shah - Wendy Vasicek<jyotish jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:01 AM Re: sat and jup Dear Jiger, The problem with these (generic) rules? is that the individual lordship of the planets may be overlooked entirely. Perhaps, Jiger, you might like to employ the said rule to the following horoscope and give your interpretation:-) Any other members like to share their thoughts on this chart? Dalai Lama Jul 6 1935 (04:38) Tengster Village, China 36N32, 101E12 PS: Astrodatabank gives this time an A rating. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com<http://jyotishvidya.com/> ______________________________ - "jiger shah" <jigershah <jyotish-vidya> Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:26 PM sat and jup dear group my daily exercise dose of astrology comes from translating brigh prashna readings in English for my friend and astrologer and brigu reader finn wandahl finn's website is also very interesting after studying quit a few readings from horoscopes that I have in my collection this simple conclusion was arrived in a chart jup and sat 6/8 relation is best when jup and sat aspect each other it produces good and bad results for every major events when jup is aspected by saturn this is worst as saturn alone is capable of controlling all benefic effects of jup in this sep up and when jup aspects saturn is good as here jup alone is capable of controlling Saturn if Saturn is slowest jup is biggest planet kind regs jiger shah Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO\ 4MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> Personal reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&\ w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD\ 0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37Z\ Q_wOuOlD9B7beQ> Astrology software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p\ pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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