Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 Dear Richard and Group, You Wrote: //An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me.// Sidereal astrologers they may have been - experienced jyotish pandits, I doubt! Even a half decent jyotisha would know that Saturn is a dire malefic in your chart. He is both a natural malefic and a functional malefic (owning 6th/7th bhavas). Saturn is malefic to YOUR ASCENDANT because of the HOUSES HE RULES not because he himself is weak...this is basic (according to the rules of Parashara). What's worse is that this malefic planet is aspecting your Ascendant lord Sun in 9th house. //I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature.// Of course you did! Ill fortune of all kinds is seen from the 12th house and by wearing Saturn's ring you have increased his influence in your life...given him strength over more favourable planets. //It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays.// Headaches - how can you wonder at this? Saturn's aspect on lagnesh Sun...you must know that the body part (limbs of kala purusha) represented by lagna is the head. Many people are thoroughly confused about the (proper) use of gems. A planet does not become malefic because it's ill-placed, rather it becomes weak and it's ability to do good is weakened accordingly. Wearing its gem will increase that planetary vibration within us, effectively increasing the strength of that planet (and its power to do good). One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that we should not increase the influence (strength) of a planet that's malefic to our Ascendant - as Saturn is in your chart Richard. I would be horrified to see someone prescribe a gem for a functional malefic! ///Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets.// He's absolutely correct! Gems increase the effect, they DO NOT paciffy...this again is basic! To ward off the ill effect of malefic Saturn one should do any (or all) of the following: 1) Fast on Saturdays. 2) Offer prayers to lord Hanuman (or at least keep a picture in your home).. 3) Do Mrtyunjaya japa. 4) Wear a black horseshoe ring. 5) Offer rice with sesame seeds, jaggery and sesame oil as prasadam. 6) Feed crows at home if possible. All these remedies PACIFY Saturn whereas his gem will STRENGTHEN his effect whether benefic or malefic (according to rulership). NB: Prayers to lord Hanuman. It's said that Lord Hunuman captured Shani at one time and extracted from him the promise that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. //In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude.// Again, this is in accordance with the dictums of Parashara. For you, Sun is lord of lagna...always benefic for the native! However, although exalted in 9th house, he is suffering the aspect of malefic Saturn, therefore strengthening him (further) against this influence by wearing his gem will be of great benefit. We all know, Richard, that a YogaKaraka planet is auspicious for the natives and will do good for the houses he occupies and aspects. However if such a planet is weak (by placement) his ability to deliver his promise (do good) is minimised or wholly restricted if he's debilitated. I think (at one time) you may have published the following article on P-G-A. which explains further the effect of gems on our physiology. If you scroll down the following page and click on the popup window "The Vibrations of Our Universe" (left column) you can read the article...although I think you're familiar with it. http://jyotishvidya.com/gems.htm //Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence.// I don't doubt that this practice may be beneficial. However, ordinary folk are rarely in a position to donate such expensive items. Also who would one donate this gem to? Certainly not to someone for whom Saturn is malefic in their horoscope. //The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?"// There are other remedies Richard! I am one who could never afford a jyotish quality gem (perhaps in the past but certainly not now). But I personally would never wear, or recommend, a substitute gem (upa-ratna). In the words of Maharishi; "You know the difference and so do the planets". This is my view also. Take care dear Richard, it's been a long time since we've spoken :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Standardize Vedic Gemology Once I was approached by a devotee wanting a flawless ruby for his wife. The ruby was prescribed by a devotee astrologer. We checked her janma-patri and Sun, the lord of ruby, was debilitated or giving "maximum harm;" Sun was the worst planet in his wife's horoscope and yet she was advised to use ruby!? Most devotee astrologers advise gems for the devotee's BAD planets, and thus they inflict harm on them. I hope this appeal will save the devotee astrologers from misleading those souls wanting to benefit by wearing auspicious Vedic gems. SUBJECT: Standardization of the Vedic Science of Planetary Gemology. I would first like to address the question of how gems should be chosen and what their effects will be. One group opines that gems should be used to "pacify" harmful (Pratikul) planets; another group believes that gems should be used to "strengthen" or to "boost" beneficial or auspicious planets (Anukula). I GEM COLOR (planetary associations): According to Late Great B.V. Raman, India's leading astrologer, "A planet in it's own sign is rendered powerful to do good. A planet in its sign of exaltation is rendered even more powerful to do good than in it's own sign. A planet in it's sign of mulatrikona is rendered powerful to do good similar to when in exaltation." Planets that are in an enemy sign or which are debilitated usually have a harmful or inauspicious influence. Thus Professor Raman also states that planets which are debilitated give results opposite of when they are in strong sign position - in other words, bad results. (Ref. Astrology for Beginners. IBH Prakashana, Fifth Main, Gandhinagar, Bangalore 560 009, India. 1983) When using any planet's gem, the result will depend on the condition of the planet in one's horoscope (as per the above conclusion of Prof. Raman). Gems DO magnify the energy and influence of a planet, but gems DO NOT change the angle or position of a planet in one's horoscope. The idea that gems will strengthen weak planets (like those in an enemy sign or sign of debilitation) and thereby make them auspicious is, in my opinion, an incorrect understanding. This conclusion, which I believe to be erroneous, leads to the belief that br providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will follow: Which we have shown to be completely false. I believe that a gem WILL increase the influence of it's ruling planet, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, depending on the position or angle that a planet is placed in one's horoscope. To make a BAD planet stronger will only increase its bad influence. For example, whenever people ask me what [gem] is good for them (according to their janma-patri) I CANNOT point out their malefic Mars and say that Coral for Mars is good for them. It is common knowledge that having any planet malefic is NOT GOOD! Prof. Raman says that it would be a BAD influence on the person. In 1982 and again in 1988 I published a book called "Handbook of Planetary Gemology." In this book I also advocated the negative idea that gems should be chosen for bad (weak) planets to strengthen their weakness. In fact, I actually practiced this negative or PRATIKUL method of gem selection for clients from 1975 to 1990, and now I can understand why my first 15 years were so discouraging. I was not giving people what was GOOD for them; rather I was dispensing the very worst gem they could use. An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me. After a long search I found a flawless, unburned, top color Burmese blue sapphire weighing just over 7 carats. I bought the gem, had it set into a special gold ring, and on Saturday, two hours and forty minutes before sunset (during the waxing Moon), and I installed the ring after reciting the appropriate mantras to Shanideva. I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature. It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays. Finally, after using the gem for almost a year, I took it off in frustration. And slowly I began to feel relief (Note: Our research has shown that the influence of blue sapphire for Saturn takes about 30 days to wear off). So the blue sapphire didn't 'pacify' my cruel Saturn, it didn't strengthen my so-called weak Saturn; rather it increased Saturn's evil influence on me according to its bad position in my birth chart. Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets. In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude. II GEM DONATIONS (using gems to pacify harmful planets) Gems CAN be used to 'pacify' bad or ill-placed planets, but the method is to sacrifice or DONATE the gem(s) for one's bad planet(s), not to wear the gem oneself. For example: To propitiate an evil (ill-placed) Rahu in one's horoscope, it is recommended that one should DONATE a fine hessonite (gomeda) gem to a leper on Saturday evening during the waxing Moon. This is the recommendation for using gems to PACIFY bad or ill-placed planet(s) in one's horoscope. III GEM CLARITY (Is a gem dead or alive?) According to Shastra only EYE-CLEAN gems (free of visible flaws) are auspicious and flawed gems "should not be used at all!" Ref. Chapter 246 of the Sanskrit classic "Agni-Puranam"... "A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." Or consider this bit of gemological advice spoken by Paramahansa Sripad Suta Goswami in Chapter 69 of "Sri Garuda Purana"... "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." Over and over the Shastras repeatedly order, "No flawed gems!" For instance, here is another quote from Sri Garuda Purana about the use of ordinary colorless quartz (Bishma-ratna), "These [before mentioned auspicious] attributes pertain to pure flawless quartz, and knowledgeable gemologists advise that flawed varieties that are included, fractured, or discolored should be completely avoided!" The required quality standard for Vedic Planetary Gemology is quoted in Sanskrit as "sujyam-amalam" or top color (sujati=high born) and flawless (amala). This is the only good standard and all else would be, by definition, sub-standard or even worthless; I ask who wants to wear a 'flawed' gem if it is deemed harmful? IV CONCLUSION (Harness the pure power of your lucky stars) My conclusions are based on Vedic scripture, common sense, and a 25 year study of over 5,000 persons using gems for their strong or good planets, as well as others using gems for their bad or weak planets. Gems related to good planets produced good results, while gems for bad planets produced BAD results. I think that some of today's Kali-yuga astrologers are doing a great disservice to the public by prescribing gems for BAD planets, and also telling people that it is OK to use FLAWED gems, in complete contradiction of the Shastras. Some are even so foolish as to advise that synthetic (lab-created) gems are "real," i.e., that they have the same real power of a natural gemstone. And I have observed that whenever I tell most Indian people what I do, viz., Planetary Gemology, their immediate thought is of a beggar sitting in the gutter and selling people their CHART, their GEM PRESCRIPTION A-N-D their GEMSTONE, for Rs.100 (around $ 3.00). I think this is a disgrace and it is proof that the evil Kali Yuga is gaining momentum. It is really unfortunate when an ancient and exalted Vedic science like Planetary Gemology becomes so degraded as at the present time. If it is true that bad planetary gems can harm a person and flawed gems are actually inauspicious, then those who recommend such inferior quality of stones are guilty of inflicting harm on fellow human beings. V PRICE (Are flawless gems only for the rich?) The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?" ---Suppose a person is advised to use a Sun jewel because of the Sun's being posited in an auspicious sign in their horoscope. If their budget (the amount a person can spend) is only $100 then they are poor (for totally poverty-stricken persons there is no question of gemstones); if the amount is $1,000 then they are middle class; if the budget is $10,000 or more then they are rich. But in every case they can have a flawless, natural Sun gem, because Nature has provided a number of natural alternative gems. So, in this case, everyone, the poor, the rich, and the middle class could all be happy by purchasing either a... 1) Flawless red garnet for $100. (Poor) 2) Flawless red spinel for $1,000. (Middle), or 3) Flawless red ruby for $10,000. (Rich) Along with the Navaratna (viz., Ruby, pearl, yellow sapphire, hessonite, emerald, diamond, cat's eye, blue sapphire, and red coral.) or nine primary gems, there are many other natural gemstone choices based on color. These "upa-ratnas" are less expensive than their precious counterparts and yet they conduct the same astral energy of their associated planet. They are also easier to find without flaws or treatment. Here is a list of the foremost upa-ratna (semi-precious gems) known to man, along with their ruling planets: -(RUBY) Red spinel, red garnet and red tourmaline (rubellite) are ruled by the Sun; -(NATURAL PEARL) Moonstone & (natural-death) Ivory and white coral are ruled by the Moon; -(YELLOW SAPPHIRE) Yellow topaz, yellow beryl (heliodor) and citrine are ruled by Jupiter; -(HESSONITE) Spessartite, orange zircon and other orange garnets are ruled by Rahu (North Node of the Moon); -(EMERALD) Tsavorite, green tourmaline, diopside, peridot and jade are ruled by Mercury; -(DIAMOND) White (colorless) sapphire, topaz, zircon, beryl and quartz are ruled by Venus; -(CAT'S EYE CHRYSOBERYL) Beryl, apatite, fibrolite and tourmaline cat's eyes are ruled by Ketu (South Node of the Moon); -(BLUE SAPPHIRE) Tanzanite (blue zoisite), blue spinel, iolite and amethyst are ruled by Saturn; -(RED CORAL) Carnelian and bloodstone are ruled by Mars. If one cannot afford the price of a flawless ruby or diamond, they may opt instead for a flawless but far less expensive red garnet or colorless quartz crystal. All of the Sidereal astrological planets have several varieties of gems that transmit they're cosmic energies, beginning with the primary, most precious gems and followed by secondary, less expensive gems. It's better, for example, to wear a flawless red garnet than a flawed ruby. People interested in enhancing their lives through the auspicious cosmic energies transmitted by planetary gemstones should select only flawless specimens. It is in fact better to wear no gems at all than to wear flawed stones. But since every planet offers a variety of gems from "first class" to "economy class," one may easily pick a flawless gem that suits one's individual budget as well as one's horoscope. VI REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION: In conclusion I would like to suggest that the editors of the highly regarded authority, the Astrological Magazine, recruit the world's leading astrologers to standardize the system of Vedic Planetary Gemology. This standardization will help to eliminate some of the current fraudulent practices of crooks and deluded astrologers so that this ancient science can benefit the population at large. Thank you for reading this message and considering our opinion. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Please contact me by sec or write care of PGA, C3 Building Suan Lum Night Bazaar, 1875 Rama 4 Road, Lumpini, Bangkok 10330, Kingdom of Thailand. http://www.p-g-a.org Respectfully, Richard S. Brown, GIA, PG Ref. http://www.richardshawbrown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Mr Richard, Ratnas as remedial measures whether in the reach of common man or not is always debatable.Precious and semi precious stones are not just meant for Planetary purpose.otherway it is not just precious and semi precious stones.No doubt precious and semi precious stone may also help a person to improve his lot.Then question is why only through Gemology and also why to characterise to vedic Astrology.From times imemmorial usage of precious stones as a symbol status and in royal courts always made place.it is through the cultures and various civilisations applications of gems for remedial usages was initiated.Extent of benifit or otherwise again remained as a matter of subjectivity.By the time all purohits and learned pandits in whose hands Vedic Astrology developed several ways of pariharas to improve lot of the needy. when alternate methods/procedures as per sastras are available whcih are also based on faith and trust,one would like to opt for a choice which is not in doubt and has no repercussions whatever. Praying and able to seek help,blessings in our own humble way has no parallel.All our problems whether due to Astrological reasons or otherwise have to be resolved with our own self.For this most important requisite is to keep trust on ourselves. Even if some kind of satndardisation is attempted,gems usage will be very little.Along with them you need to associate some Dhatu -metal be it gold,silver or something else. A person in problem and in distress would believe in things which are of his immediate reach,it is undoubtedly prayers and help of learned persons.Such help is always extended for propogating knowledge and get recognition.This continues to be the simplest method for common man and certainly not gems. krishnan Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote: Dear Richard and Group, You Wrote: //An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me.// Sidereal astrologers they may have been - experienced jyotish pandits, I doubt! Even a half decent jyotisha would know that Saturn is a dire malefic in your chart. He is both a natural malefic and a functional malefic (owning 6th/7th bhavas). Saturn is malefic to YOUR ASCENDANT because of the HOUSES HE RULES not because he himself is weak...this is basic (according to the rules of Parashara). What's worse is that this malefic planet is aspecting your Ascendant lord Sun in 9th house. //I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature.// Of course you did! Ill fortune of all kinds is seen from the 12th house and by wearing Saturn's ring you have increased his influence in your life...given him strength over more favourable planets. //It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays.// Headaches - how can you wonder at this? Saturn's aspect on lagnesh Sun...you must know that the body part (limbs of kala purusha) represented by lagna is the head. Many people are thoroughly confused about the (proper) use of gems. A planet does not become malefic because it's ill-placed, rather it becomes weak and it's ability to do good is weakened accordingly. Wearing its gem will increase that planetary vibration within us, effectively increasing the strength of that planet (and its power to do good). One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that we should not increase the influence (strength) of a planet that's malefic to our Ascendant - as Saturn is in your chart Richard. I would be horrified to see someone prescribe a gem for a functional malefic! ///Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets.// He's absolutely correct! Gems increase the effect, they DO NOT paciffy...this again is basic! To ward off the ill effect of malefic Saturn one should do any (or all) of the following: 1) Fast on Saturdays. 2) Offer prayers to lord Hanuman (or at least keep a picture in your home).. 3) Do Mrtyunjaya japa. 4) Wear a black horseshoe ring. 5) Offer rice with sesame seeds, jaggery and sesame oil as prasadam. 6) Feed crows at home if possible. All these remedies PACIFY Saturn whereas his gem will STRENGTHEN his effect whether benefic or malefic (according to rulership). NB: Prayers to lord Hanuman. It's said that Lord Hunuman captured Shani at one time and extracted from him the promise that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. //In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude.// Again, this is in accordance with the dictums of Parashara. For you, Sun is lord of lagna...always benefic for the native! However, although exalted in 9th house, he is suffering the aspect of malefic Saturn, therefore strengthening him (further) against this influence by wearing his gem will be of great benefit. We all know, Richard, that a YogaKaraka planet is auspicious for the natives and will do good for the houses he occupies and aspects. However if such a planet is weak (by placement) his ability to deliver his promise (do good) is minimised or wholly restricted if he's debilitated. I think (at one time) you may have published the following article on P-G-A. which explains further the effect of gems on our physiology. If you scroll down the following page and click on the popup window "The Vibrations of Our Universe" (left column) you can read the article...although I think you're familiar with it. http://jyotishvidya.com/gems.htm //Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence.// I don't doubt that this practice may be beneficial. However, ordinary folk are rarely in a position to donate such expensive items. Also who would one donate this gem to? Certainly not to someone for whom Saturn is malefic in their horoscope. //The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?"// There are other remedies Richard! I am one who could never afford a jyotish quality gem (perhaps in the past but certainly not now). But I personally would never wear, or recommend, a substitute gem (upa-ratna). In the words of Maharishi; "You know the difference and so do the planets". This is my view also. Take care dear Richard, it's been a long time since we've spoken :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Standardize Vedic Gemology Once I was approached by a devotee wanting a flawless ruby for his wife. The ruby was prescribed by a devotee astrologer. We checked her janma-patri and Sun, the lord of ruby, was debilitated or giving "maximum harm;" Sun was the worst planet in his wife's horoscope and yet she was advised to use ruby!? Most devotee astrologers advise gems for the devotee's BAD planets, and thus they inflict harm on them. I hope this appeal will save the devotee astrologers from misleading those souls wanting to benefit by wearing auspicious Vedic gems. SUBJECT: Standardization of the Vedic Science of Planetary Gemology. I would first like to address the question of how gems should be chosen and what their effects will be. One group opines that gems should be used to "pacify" harmful (Pratikul) planets; another group believes that gems should be used to "strengthen" or to "boost" beneficial or auspicious planets (Anukula). I GEM COLOR (planetary associations): According to Late Great B.V. Raman, India's leading astrologer, "A planet in it's own sign is rendered powerful to do good. A planet in its sign of exaltation is rendered even more powerful to do good than in it's own sign. A planet in it's sign of mulatrikona is rendered powerful to do good similar to when in exaltation." Planets that are in an enemy sign or which are debilitated usually have a harmful or inauspicious influence. Thus Professor Raman also states that planets which are debilitated give results opposite of when they are in strong sign position - in other words, bad results. (Ref. Astrology for Beginners. IBH Prakashana, Fifth Main, Gandhinagar, Bangalore 560 009, India. 1983) When using any planet's gem, the result will depend on the condition of the planet in one's horoscope (as per the above conclusion of Prof. Raman). Gems DO magnify the energy and influence of a planet, but gems DO NOT change the angle or position of a planet in one's horoscope. The idea that gems will strengthen weak planets (like those in an enemy sign or sign of debilitation) and thereby make them auspicious is, in my opinion, an incorrect understanding. This conclusion, which I believe to be erroneous, leads to the belief that br providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will follow: Which we have shown to be completely false. I believe that a gem WILL increase the influence of it's ruling planet, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, depending on the position or angle that a planet is placed in one's horoscope. To make a BAD planet stronger will only increase its bad influence. For example, whenever people ask me what [gem] is good for them (according to their janma-patri) I CANNOT point out their malefic Mars and say that Coral for Mars is good for them. It is common knowledge that having any planet malefic is NOT GOOD! Prof. Raman says that it would be a BAD influence on the person. In 1982 and again in 1988 I published a book called "Handbook of Planetary Gemology." In this book I also advocated the negative idea that gems should be chosen for bad (weak) planets to strengthen their weakness. In fact, I actually practiced this negative or PRATIKUL method of gem selection for clients from 1975 to 1990, and now I can understand why my first 15 years were so discouraging. I was not giving people what was GOOD for them; rather I was dispensing the very worst gem they could use. An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me. After a long search I found a flawless, unburned, top color Burmese blue sapphire weighing just over 7 carats. I bought the gem, had it set into a special gold ring, and on Saturday, two hours and forty minutes before sunset (during the waxing Moon), and I installed the ring after reciting the appropriate mantras to Shanideva. I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature. It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays. Finally, after using the gem for almost a year, I took it off in frustration. And slowly I began to feel relief (Note: Our research has shown that the influence of blue sapphire for Saturn takes about 30 days to wear off). So the blue sapphire didn't 'pacify' my cruel Saturn, it didn't strengthen my so-called weak Saturn; rather it increased Saturn's evil influence on me according to its bad position in my birth chart. Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets. In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude. II GEM DONATIONS (using gems to pacify harmful planets) Gems CAN be used to 'pacify' bad or ill-placed planets, but the method is to sacrifice or DONATE the gem(s) for one's bad planet(s), not to wear the gem oneself. For example: To propitiate an evil (ill-placed) Rahu in one's horoscope, it is recommended that one should DONATE a fine hessonite (gomeda) gem to a leper on Saturday evening during the waxing Moon. This is the recommendation for using gems to PACIFY bad or ill-placed planet(s) in one's horoscope. III GEM CLARITY (Is a gem dead or alive?) According to Shastra only EYE-CLEAN gems (free of visible flaws) are auspicious and flawed gems "should not be used at all!" Ref. Chapter 246 of the Sanskrit classic "Agni-Puranam"... "A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." Or consider this bit of gemological advice spoken by Paramahansa Sripad Suta Goswami in Chapter 69 of "Sri Garuda Purana"... "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." Over and over the Shastras repeatedly order, "No flawed gems!" For instance, here is another quote from Sri Garuda Purana about the use of ordinary colorless quartz (Bishma-ratna), "These [before mentioned auspicious] attributes pertain to pure flawless quartz, and knowledgeable gemologists advise that flawed varieties that are included, fractured, or discolored should be completely avoided!" The required quality standard for Vedic Planetary Gemology is quoted in Sanskrit as "sujyam-amalam" or top color (sujati=high born) and flawless (amala). This is the only good standard and all else would be, by definition, sub-standard or even worthless; I ask who wants to wear a 'flawed' gem if it is deemed harmful? IV CONCLUSION (Harness the pure power of your lucky stars) My conclusions are based on Vedic scripture, common sense, and a 25 year study of over 5,000 persons using gems for their strong or good planets, as well as others using gems for their bad or weak planets. Gems related to good planets produced good results, while gems for bad planets produced BAD results. I think that some of today's Kali-yuga astrologers are doing a great disservice to the public by prescribing gems for BAD planets, and also telling people that it is OK to use FLAWED gems, in complete contradiction of the Shastras. Some are even so foolish as to advise that synthetic (lab-created) gems are "real," i.e., that they have the same real power of a natural gemstone. And I have observed that whenever I tell most Indian people what I do, viz., Planetary Gemology, their immediate thought is of a beggar sitting in the gutter and selling people their CHART, their GEM PRESCRIPTION A-N-D their GEMSTONE, for Rs.100 (around $ 3.00). I think this is a disgrace and it is proof that the evil Kali Yuga is gaining momentum. It is really unfortunate when an ancient and exalted Vedic science like Planetary Gemology becomes so degraded as at the present time. If it is true that bad planetary gems can harm a person and flawed gems are actually inauspicious, then those who recommend such inferior quality of stones are guilty of inflicting harm on fellow human beings. V PRICE (Are flawless gems only for the rich?) The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?" ---Suppose a person is advised to use a Sun jewel because of the Sun's being posited in an auspicious sign in their horoscope. If their budget (the amount a person can spend) is only $100 then they are poor (for totally poverty-stricken persons there is no question of gemstones); if the amount is $1,000 then they are middle class; if the budget is $10,000 or more then they are rich. But in every case they can have a flawless, natural Sun gem, because Nature has provided a number of natural alternative gems. So, in this case, everyone, the poor, the rich, and the middle class could all be happy by purchasing either a... 1) Flawless red garnet for $100. (Poor) 2) Flawless red spinel for $1,000. (Middle), or 3) Flawless red ruby for $10,000. (Rich) Along with the Navaratna (viz., Ruby, pearl, yellow sapphire, hessonite, emerald, diamond, cat's eye, blue sapphire, and red coral.) or nine primary gems, there are many other natural gemstone choices based on color. These "upa-ratnas" are less expensive than their precious counterparts and yet they conduct the same astral energy of their associated planet. They are also easier to find without flaws or treatment. Here is a list of the foremost upa-ratna (semi-precious gems) known to man, along with their ruling planets: -(RUBY) Red spinel, red garnet and red tourmaline (rubellite) are ruled by the Sun; -(NATURAL PEARL) Moonstone & (natural-death) Ivory and white coral are ruled by the Moon; -(YELLOW SAPPHIRE) Yellow topaz, yellow beryl (heliodor) and citrine are ruled by Jupiter; -(HESSONITE) Spessartite, orange zircon and other orange garnets are ruled by Rahu (North Node of the Moon); -(EMERALD) Tsavorite, green tourmaline, diopside, peridot and jade are ruled by Mercury; -(DIAMOND) White (colorless) sapphire, topaz, zircon, beryl and quartz are ruled by Venus; -(CAT'S EYE CHRYSOBERYL) Beryl, apatite, fibrolite and tourmaline cat's eyes are ruled by Ketu (South Node of the Moon); -(BLUE SAPPHIRE) Tanzanite (blue zoisite), blue spinel, iolite and amethyst are ruled by Saturn; -(RED CORAL) Carnelian and bloodstone are ruled by Mars. If one cannot afford the price of a flawless ruby or diamond, they may opt instead for a flawless but far less expensive red garnet or colorless quartz crystal. All of the Sidereal astrological planets have several varieties of gems that transmit they're cosmic energies, beginning with the primary, most precious gems and followed by secondary, less expensive gems. It's better, for example, to wear a flawless red garnet than a flawed ruby. People interested in enhancing their lives through the auspicious cosmic energies transmitted by planetary gemstones should select only flawless specimens. It is in fact better to wear no gems at all than to wear flawed stones. But since every planet offers a variety of gems from "first class" to "economy class," one may easily pick a flawless gem that suits one's individual budget as well as one's horoscope. VI REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION: In conclusion I would like to suggest that the editors of the highly regarded authority, the Astrological Magazine, recruit the world's leading astrologers to standardize the system of Vedic Planetary Gemology. This standardization will help to eliminate some of the current fraudulent practices of crooks and deluded astrologers so that this ancient science can benefit the population at large. Thank you for reading this message and considering our opinion. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Please contact me by sec or write care of PGA, C3 Building Suan Lum Night Bazaar, 1875 Rama 4 Road, Lumpini, Bangkok 10330, Kingdom of Thailand. http://www.p-g-a.org Respectfully, Richard S. Brown, GIA, PG Ref. http://www.richardshawbrown Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Krishnan, //Ratnas as remedial measures whether in the reach of common man or not is always debatable.// Not so Krishnan - Gems certainly are legitimate remedial measures that have a very powerful effect on the grahas - there can be no doubt of this at all. What is in question is the astrologers understanding of the proper use of gems. //it is through the cultures and various civilisations applications of gems for remedial usages was initiated.// Please explain? //when alternate methods/procedures as per sastras are available whcih are also based on faith and trust,one would like to opt for a choice which is not in doubt and has no repercussions whatever. Praying and able to seek help,blessings in our own humble way has no parallel.All our problems whether due to Astrological reasons or otherwise have to be resolved with our own self.For this most important requisite is to keep trust on ourselves.// Natives undergoing negative planetary influences can find it very difficult to maintain faith and trust in anything, let alone in themselves, don't you agree? A mind under duress, during difficult Sade Sati for instance, is often faced with the dilemma of not being able to focus on prayer and ritual. Some help that doesn't demand too much mental effort is (often) required. //A person in problem and in distress would believe in things which are of his immediate reach,it is undoubtedly prayers and help of learned persons.Such help is always extended for propogating knowledge and get recognition.This continues to be the simplest method for common man and certainly not gems.// This is the part that concerns me the most; that it's the "recognition" that motivates rather than the desire to help/serve. The most common situation today is that Astrologers, who themselves are still very much learners, offer advice to people for the purpose of gaining recognition. Often they present their advice in a shrouded manner (which sounds very knowledgeable to the layman) and rarely offer logical explanations to back up their statements. Unsuspecting querents go away thinking they've received the best advice from some knowledgeable sage. This is a trend that seems to have pervaded most lists today. What were once (initially) forums for students and experienced astrologers alike to share the knowledge of this divine science have become little more than shop windows for those seeking astrological advice (from, alarmingly, those unqualified to give it). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - vattem krishnan jyotish-vidya Monday, March 13, 2006 11:38 PM Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION Dear Mr Richard, Ratnas as remedial measures whether in the reach of common man or not is always debatable.Precious and semi precious stones are not just meant for Planetary purpose.otherway it is not just precious and semi precious stones.No doubt precious and semi precious stone may also help a person to improve his lot.Then question is why only through Gemology and also why to characterise to vedic Astrology.From times imemmorial usage of precious stones as a symbol status and in royal courts always made place.it is through the cultures and various civilisations applications of gems for remedial usages was initiated.Extent of benifit or otherwise again remained as a matter of subjectivity.By the time all purohits and learned pandits in whose hands Vedic Astrology developed several ways of pariharas to improve lot of the needy. when alternate methods/procedures as per sastras are available whcih are also based on faith and trust,one would like to opt for a choice which is not in doubt and has no repercussions whatever. Praying and able to seek help,blessings in our own humble way has no parallel.All our problems whether due to Astrological reasons or otherwise have to be resolved with our own self.For this most important requisite is to keep trust on ourselves. Even if some kind of satndardisation is attempted,gems usage will be very little.Along with them you need to associate some Dhatu -metal be it gold,silver or something else. A person in problem and in distress would believe in things which are of his immediate reach,it is undoubtedly prayers and help of learned persons.Such help is always extended for propogating knowledge and get recognition.This continues to be the simplest method for common man and certainly not gems. krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 dear sir harmful planets can be pacified by fasting works every time lesser you eat on saturday lesser will be the influence of saturn better yet message of sesame seed oil not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will be very helpful for saturn i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet magnet is a form of iron aswell regs jiger - Wendy Vasicek Monday, March 13, 2006 2:39 AM sacred-objects Cc: jyotish-vidya Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION Dear Richard and Group, You Wrote: //An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me.// Sidereal astrologers they may have been - experienced jyotish pandits, I doubt! Even a half decent jyotisha would know that Saturn is a dire malefic in your chart. He is both a natural malefic and a functional malefic (owning 6th/7th bhavas). Saturn is malefic to YOUR ASCENDANT because of the HOUSES HE RULES not because he himself is weak...this is basic (according to the rules of Parashara). What's worse is that this malefic planet is aspecting your Ascendant lord Sun in 9th house. //I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature.// Of course you did! Ill fortune of all kinds is seen from the 12th house and by wearing Saturn's ring you have increased his influence in your life...given him strength over more favourable planets. //It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays.// Headaches - how can you wonder at this? Saturn's aspect on lagnesh Sun...you must know that the body part (limbs of kala purusha) represented by lagna is the head. Many people are thoroughly confused about the (proper) use of gems. A planet does not become malefic because it's ill-placed, rather it becomes weak and it's ability to do good is weakened accordingly. Wearing its gem will increase that planetary vibration within us, effectively increasing the strength of that planet (and its power to do good). One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that we should not increase the influence (strength) of a planet that's malefic to our Ascendant - as Saturn is in your chart Richard. I would be horrified to see someone prescribe a gem for a functional malefic! ///Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets.// He's absolutely correct! Gems increase the effect, they DO NOT paciffy...this again is basic! To ward off the ill effect of malefic Saturn one should do any (or all) of the following: 1) Fast on Saturdays. 2) Offer prayers to lord Hanuman (or at least keep a picture in your home).. 3) Do Mrtyunjaya japa. 4) Wear a black horseshoe ring. 5) Offer rice with sesame seeds, jaggery and sesame oil as prasadam. 6) Feed crows at home if possible. All these remedies PACIFY Saturn whereas his gem will STRENGTHEN his effect whether benefic or malefic (according to rulership). NB: Prayers to lord Hanuman. It's said that Lord Hunuman captured Shani at one time and extracted from him the promise that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. //In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude.// Again, this is in accordance with the dictums of Parashara. For you, Sun is lord of lagna...always benefic for the native! However, although exalted in 9th house, he is suffering the aspect of malefic Saturn, therefore strengthening him (further) against this influence by wearing his gem will be of great benefit. We all know, Richard, that a YogaKaraka planet is auspicious for the natives and will do good for the houses he occupies and aspects. However if such a planet is weak (by placement) his ability to deliver his promise (do good) is minimised or wholly restricted if he's debilitated. I think (at one time) you may have published the following article on P-G-A. which explains further the effect of gems on our physiology. If you scroll down the following page and click on the popup window "The Vibrations of Our Universe" (left column) you can read the article...although I think you're familiar with it. http://jyotishvidya.com/gems.htm //Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence.// I don't doubt that this practice may be beneficial. However, ordinary folk are rarely in a position to donate such expensive items. Also who would one donate this gem to? Certainly not to someone for whom Saturn is malefic in their horoscope. //The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?"// There are other remedies Richard! I am one who could never afford a jyotish quality gem (perhaps in the past but certainly not now). But I personally would never wear, or recommend, a substitute gem (upa-ratna). In the words of Maharishi; "You know the difference and so do the planets". This is my view also. Take care dear Richard, it's been a long time since we've spoken :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ , Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 wrote: Standardize Vedic Gemology Once I was approached by a devotee wanting a flawless ruby for his wife. The ruby was prescribed by a devotee astrologer. We checked her janma-patri and Sun, the lord of ruby, was debilitated or giving "maximum harm;" Sun was the worst planet in his wife's horoscope and yet she was advised to use ruby!? Most devotee astrologers advise gems for the devotee's BAD planets, and thus they inflict harm on them. I hope this appeal will save the devotee astrologers from misleading those souls wanting to benefit by wearing auspicious Vedic gems. SUBJECT: Standardization of the Vedic Science of Planetary Gemology. I would first like to address the question of how gems should be chosen and what their effects will be. One group opines that gems should be used to "pacify" harmful (Pratikul) planets; another group believes that gems should be used to "strengthen" or to "boost" beneficial or auspicious planets (Anukula). I GEM COLOR (planetary associations): According to Late Great B.V. Raman, India's leading astrologer, "A planet in it's own sign is rendered powerful to do good. A planet in its sign of exaltation is rendered even more powerful to do good than in it's own sign. A planet in it's sign of mulatrikona is rendered powerful to do good similar to when in exaltation." Planets that are in an enemy sign or which are debilitated usually have a harmful or inauspicious influence. Thus Professor Raman also states that planets which are debilitated give results opposite of when they are in strong sign position - in other words, bad results. (Ref. Astrology for Beginners. IBH Prakashana, Fifth Main, Gandhinagar, Bangalore 560 009, India. 1983) When using any planet's gem, the result will depend on the condition of the planet in one's horoscope (as per the above conclusion of Prof. Raman). Gems DO magnify the energy and influence of a planet, but gems DO NOT change the angle or position of a planet in one's horoscope. The idea that gems will strengthen weak planets (like those in an enemy sign or sign of debilitation) and thereby make them auspicious is, in my opinion, an incorrect understanding. This conclusion, which I believe to be erroneous, leads to the belief that br providing the gem for a malefic planet, benefic results will follow: Which we have shown to be completely false. I believe that a gem WILL increase the influence of it's ruling planet, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, depending on the position or angle that a planet is placed in one's horoscope. To make a BAD planet stronger will only increase its bad influence. For example, whenever people ask me what [gem] is good for them (according to their janma-patri) I CANNOT point out their malefic Mars and say that Coral for Mars is good for them. It is common knowledge that having any planet malefic is NOT GOOD! Prof. Raman says that it would be a BAD influence on the person. In 1982 and again in 1988 I published a book called "Handbook of Planetary Gemology." In this book I also advocated the negative idea that gems should be chosen for bad (weak) planets to strengthen their weakness. In fact, I actually practiced this negative or PRATIKUL method of gem selection for clients from 1975 to 1990, and now I can understand why my first 15 years were so discouraging. I was not giving people what was GOOD for them; rather I was dispensing the very worst gem they could use. An illustration of this concept can be taken from one of my own experiences with gem therapy. Saturn in particular is a krura-graha, or cruel planet, and its position in my horoscope is even worse. Still, I was advised by most sidereal astrologers to use a blue sapphire, the gem for Saturn, in order to "pacify" or CHANGE Saturn's harmful influence on me. After a long search I found a flawless, unburned, top color Burmese blue sapphire weighing just over 7 carats. I bought the gem, had it set into a special gold ring, and on Saturday, two hours and forty minutes before sunset (during the waxing Moon), and I installed the ring after reciting the appropriate mantras to Shanideva. I began having ill fortune as soon as I started wearing this most auspicious and completely flawless blue sapphire, and the bad influence was totally of a saturnine nature. It felt like I was into a Shani Mahadasha period. I started getting frequent headaches and my business started slowing down along with my energy level. Almost everything I did was beset with obstacles and delays. Finally, after using the gem for almost a year, I took it off in frustration. And slowly I began to feel relief (Note: Our research has shown that the influence of blue sapphire for Saturn takes about 30 days to wear off). So the blue sapphire didn't 'pacify' my cruel Saturn, it didn't strengthen my so-called weak Saturn; rather it increased Saturn's evil influence on me according to its bad position in my birth chart. Later I had the opportunity to show my birth chart to Pandit Vidyadhar Shukla, the current Chief Brahmin Priest and leading Vedic astrologer of Thailand, who confirmed that Saturn was indeed a bad influence for me. He further suggested that as the blue sapphire had made matters worse, this was a good case against the theory that gems "pacify" harmful planets. In my chart Sun is exalted in Aries in the 9th house as lord of my lagna, Leo. Pandit Vidyadhar suggested that I should wear a ruby to "strengthen" the Sun in order to counteract or overpower Saturn's harmful influence. Panditji also told me to "donate" a blue sapphire in order to mitigate Saturn's harmful influence. Since following this advice I have experienced much better effects on my health, business and attitude. II GEM DONATIONS (using gems to pacify harmful planets) Gems CAN be used to 'pacify' bad or ill-placed planets, but the method is to sacrifice or DONATE the gem(s) for one's bad planet(s), not to wear the gem oneself. For example: To propitiate an evil (ill-placed) Rahu in one's horoscope, it is recommended that one should DONATE a fine hessonite (gomeda) gem to a leper on Saturday evening during the waxing Moon. This is the recommendation for using gems to PACIFY bad or ill-placed planet(s) in one's horoscope. III GEM CLARITY (Is a gem dead or alive?) According to Shastra only EYE-CLEAN gems (free of visible flaws) are auspicious and flawed gems "should not be used at all!" Ref. Chapter 246 of the Sanskrit classic "Agni-Puranam"... "A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." Or consider this bit of gemological advice spoken by Paramahansa Sripad Suta Goswami in Chapter 69 of "Sri Garuda Purana"... "A ruby, although genuine, should not be worn if it has strong color banding, excessive inclusions within like numerous internal cracks, a sandy appearance, a rough surface, or is dull and lusterless. Anyone using such a flawed ruby, even out of ignorance, will suffer from disease, or loss of fortune." Over and over the Shastras repeatedly order, "No flawed gems!" For instance, here is another quote from Sri Garuda Purana about the use of ordinary colorless quartz (Bishma-ratna), "These [before mentioned auspicious] attributes pertain to pure flawless quartz, and knowledgeable gemologists advise that flawed varieties that are included, fractured, or discolored should be completely avoided!" The required quality standard for Vedic Planetary Gemology is quoted in Sanskrit as "sujyam-amalam" or top color (sujati=high born) and flawless (amala). This is the only good standard and all else would be, by definition, sub-standard or even worthless; I ask who wants to wear a 'flawed' gem if it is deemed harmful? IV CONCLUSION (Harness the pure power of your lucky stars) My conclusions are based on Vedic scripture, common sense, and a 25 year study of over 5,000 persons using gems for their strong or good planets, as well as others using gems for their bad or weak planets. Gems related to good planets produced good results, while gems for bad planets produced BAD results. I think that some of today's Kali-yuga astrologers are doing a great disservice to the public by prescribing gems for BAD planets, and also telling people that it is OK to use FLAWED gems, in complete contradiction of the Shastras. Some are even so foolish as to advise that synthetic (lab-created) gems are "real," i.e., that they have the same real power of a natural gemstone. And I have observed that whenever I tell most Indian people what I do, viz., Planetary Gemology, their immediate thought is of a beggar sitting in the gutter and selling people their CHART, their GEM PRESCRIPTION A-N-D their GEMSTONE, for Rs.100 (around $ 3.00). I think this is a disgrace and it is proof that the evil Kali Yuga is gaining momentum. It is really unfortunate when an ancient and exalted Vedic science like Planetary Gemology becomes so degraded as at the present time. If it is true that bad planetary gems can harm a person and flawed gems are actually inauspicious, then those who recommend such inferior quality of stones are guilty of inflicting harm on fellow human beings. V PRICE (Are flawless gems only for the rich?) The question may be raised, "If only flawless gems are good luck, does that mean that good luck is only for the rich people who can afford the price of a flawless gem?" The question can be expanded: "Flawed, common gems are available to every one, rich and poor alike, but flawless,CLEAN gems are very expensive. Only the wealthy people can afford flawless, top quality gems, and that leaves nothing for the masses. If only CLEAN gems are auspicious, where does that leave the middle and poor classes? Are flawless gems only for the rich?" ---Suppose a person is advised to use a Sun jewel because of the Sun's being posited in an auspicious sign in their horoscope. If their budget (the amount a person can spend) is only $100 then they are poor (for totally poverty-stricken persons there is no question of gemstones); if the amount is $1,000 then they are middle class; if the budget is $10,000 or more then they are rich. But in every case they can have a flawless, natural Sun gem, because Nature has provided a number of natural alternative gems. So, in this case, everyone, the poor, the rich, and the middle class could all be happy by purchasing either a... 1) Flawless red garnet for $100. (Poor) 2) Flawless red spinel for $1,000. (Middle), or 3) Flawless red ruby for $10,000. (Rich) Along with the Navaratna (viz., Ruby, pearl, yellow sapphire, hessonite, emerald, diamond, cat's eye, blue sapphire, and red coral.) or nine primary gems, there are many other natural gemstone choices based on color. These "upa-ratnas" are less expensive than their precious counterparts and yet they conduct the same astral energy of their associated planet. They are also easier to find without flaws or treatment. Here is a list of the foremost upa-ratna (semi-precious gems) known to man, along with their ruling planets: -(RUBY) Red spinel, red garnet and red tourmaline (rubellite) are ruled by the Sun; -(NATURAL PEARL) Moonstone & (natural-death) Ivory and white coral are ruled by the Moon; -(YELLOW SAPPHIRE) Yellow topaz, yellow beryl (heliodor) and citrine are ruled by Jupiter; -(HESSONITE) Spessartite, orange zircon and other orange garnets are ruled by Rahu (North Node of the Moon); -(EMERALD) Tsavorite, green tourmaline, diopside, peridot and jade are ruled by Mercury; -(DIAMOND) White (colorless) sapphire, topaz, zircon, beryl and quartz are ruled by Venus; -(CAT'S EYE CHRYSOBERYL) Beryl, apatite, fibrolite and tourmaline cat's eyes are ruled by Ketu (South Node of the Moon); -(BLUE SAPPHIRE) Tanzanite (blue zoisite), blue spinel, iolite and amethyst are ruled by Saturn; -(RED CORAL) Carnelian and bloodstone are ruled by Mars. If one cannot afford the price of a flawless ruby or diamond, they may opt instead for a flawless but far less expensive red garnet or colorless quartz crystal. All of the Sidereal astrological planets have several varieties of gems that transmit they're cosmic energies, beginning with the primary, most precious gems and followed by secondary, less expensive gems. It's better, for example, to wear a flawless red garnet than a flawed ruby. People interested in enhancing their lives through the auspicious cosmic energies transmitted by planetary gemstones should select only flawless specimens. It is in fact better to wear no gems at all than to wear flawed stones. But since every planet offers a variety of gems from "first class" to "economy class," one may easily pick a flawless gem that suits one's individual budget as well as one's horoscope. VI REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION: In conclusion I would like to suggest that the editors of the highly regarded authority, the Astrological Magazine, recruit the world's leading astrologers to standardize the system of Vedic Planetary Gemology. This standardization will help to eliminate some of the current fraudulent practices of crooks and deluded astrologers so that this ancient science can benefit the population at large. Thank you for reading this message and considering our opinion. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Please contact me by sec or write care of PGA, C3 Building Suan Lum Night Bazaar, 1875 Rama 4 Road, Lumpini, Bangkok 10330, Kingdom of Thailand. http://www.p-g-a.org Respectfully, Richard S. Brown, GIA, PG Ref. http://www.richardshawbrown Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 - dear Wendy, Just adding to the gem therapy, especially the use of Sapphire. In India the asrologers are very cautious in the prescription of this gem. If it is of very good quality it has extremely potent powers to alter the fortunes of an individual for better or for worse. In fact it is often advised that the gem be tested before adopted for use. Pandits say that it should be wrapped in a piece of black cloth and kept under the pillow at night. If it does not suit a person, he /she gets nightmarish dreams. In that case it should not be worn. But a Sapphire, if it suits one can take one to the heights of acheivements. Personally I do not have any experience of this. However, gems do help if used in the right way. Regards, neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Krishnan, > > //Ratnas as remedial measures whether in the reach of common man or not is always debatable.// > > Not so Krishnan - Gems certainly are legitimate remedial measures that have a very powerful effect on the grahas - there can be no doubt of this at all. What is in question is the astrologers understanding of the proper use of gems. > > //it is through the cultures and various civilisations applications of gems for remedial usages was initiated.// > > Please explain? > > //when alternate methods/procedures as per sastras are available whcih are also based on faith and trust,one would like to opt for a choice which is not in doubt and has no repercussions whatever. > Praying and able to seek help,blessings in our own humble way has no parallel.All our problems whether due to Astrological reasons or otherwise have to be resolved with our own self.For this most important requisite is to keep trust on ourselves.// > > Natives undergoing negative planetary influences can find it very difficult to maintain faith and trust in anything, let alone in themselves, don't you agree? A mind under duress, during difficult Sade Sati for instance, is often faced with the dilemma of not being able to focus on prayer and ritual. Some help that doesn't demand too much mental effort is (often) required. > > //A person in problem and in distress would believe in things which are of his immediate reach,it is undoubtedly prayers and help of learned persons.Such help is always extended for propogating knowledge and get recognition.This continues to be the simplest method for common man and certainly not gems.// > > This is the part that concerns me the most; that it's the "recognition" that motivates rather than the desire to help/serve. The most common situation today is that Astrologers, who themselves are still very much learners, offer advice to people for the purpose of gaining recognition. Often they present their advice in a shrouded manner (which sounds very knowledgeable to the layman) and rarely offer logical explanations to back up their statements. Unsuspecting querents go away thinking they've received the best advice from some knowledgeable sage. > > This is a trend that seems to have pervaded most lists today. What were once (initially) forums for students and experienced astrologers alike to share the knowledge of this divine science have become little more than shop windows for those seeking astrological advice (from, alarmingly, those unqualified to give it). > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > vattem krishnan > jyotish-vidya > Monday, March 13, 2006 11:38 PM > Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION > > > Dear Mr Richard, > Ratnas as remedial measures whether in the reach of common man or not is always debatable.Precious and semi precious stones are not just meant for Planetary purpose.otherway it is not just precious and semi precious stones.No doubt precious and semi precious stone may also help a person to improve his lot.Then question is why only through Gemology and also why to characterise to vedic Astrology.From times imemmorial usage of precious stones as a symbol status and in royal courts always made place.it is through the cultures and various civilisations applications of gems for remedial usages was initiated.Extent of benifit or otherwise again remained as a matter of subjectivity.By the time all purohits and learned pandits in whose hands Vedic Astrology developed several ways of pariharas to improve lot of the needy. > > when alternate methods/procedures as per sastras are available whcih are also based on faith and trust,one would like to opt for a choice which is not in doubt and has no repercussions whatever. > Praying and able to seek help,blessings in our own humble way has no parallel.All our problems whether due to Astrological reasons or otherwise have to be resolved with our own self.For this most important requisite is to keep trust on ourselves. > Even if some kind of satndardisation is attempted,gems usage will be very little.Along with them you need to associate some Dhatu -metal be it gold,silver or something else. > A person in problem and in distress would believe in things which are of his immediate reach,it is undoubtedly prayers and help of learned persons.Such help is always extended for propogating knowledge and get recognition.This continues to be the simplest method for common man and certainly not gems. > krishnan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Jiger and All, Richard has written to me privately stating that the rectified time of his birth (13:52) has been scraped after citing his original birth certificate with the time of 13:06. Anyone interested in commenting on this chart?? Richard Shaw Brown Apr 26 1947 (13:06) St Petersburg, Florida Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "jiger shah" <jigershah "jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:07 AM Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION dear sir harmful planets can be pacified by fasting works every time lesser you eat on saturday lesser will be the influence of saturn better yet message of sesame seed oil not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will be very helpful for saturn i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet magnet is a form of iron aswell regs jiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Neena, You're absolutely correct! Caution most definitely must be the rule of thumb when prescribing for Saturn :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "neenako" <neenako <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:15 AM Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION - dear Wendy, Just adding to the gem therapy, especially the use of Sapphire. In India the asrologers are very cautious in the prescription of this gem. If it is of very good quality it has extremely potent powers to alter the fortunes of an individual for better or for worse. In fact it is often advised that the gem be tested before adopted for use. Pandits say that it should be wrapped in a piece of black cloth and kept under the pillow at night. If it does not suit a person, he /she gets nightmarish dreams. In that case it should not be worn. But a Sapphire, if it suits one can take one to the heights of acheivements. Personally I do not have any experience of this. However, gems do help if used in the right way. Regards, neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Dear Jiger, Can you tell me why you say 'Not lord Hanuman'? To the best of my knowledge Hanuman worship (Puja) has always been advised as a remedy to ward off the negative effects of Saturn. As said in earlier post, legend has it that lord Hanuman extracted the promise from Saturn that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the seven facet rudraksha, recommended to appease/please Saturn, is lorded by Hanumanji...is this not so? Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "jiger shah" <jigershah "jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:07 AM Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION dear sir harmful planets can be pacified by fasting works every time lesser you eat on saturday lesser will be the influence of saturn better yet message of sesame seed oil not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will be very helpful for saturn i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet magnet is a form of iron aswell regs jiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Wendyji and Jiger, As per hindu mythology Hanuman is nothing but an incarnation of lord Shiva. Best Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Jiger, > > Can you tell me why you say 'Not lord Hanuman'? To the best of my > knowledge Hanuman worship (Puja) has always been advised as a remedy > to ward off the negative effects of Saturn. As said in earlier post, > legend has it that lord Hanuman extracted the promise from Saturn > that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. > > Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the seven facet rudraksha, > recommended to appease/please Saturn, is lorded by Hanumanji...is > this not so? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "jiger shah" <jigershah > "jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:07 AM > Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR > STANDARDIZATION > > > dear sir > > harmful planets can be pacified by fasting > > works every time lesser you eat on saturday > > lesser will be the influence of saturn > > better yet message of sesame seed oil > > not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will > > be very helpful for saturn > > i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet > > magnet is a form of iron aswell > > regs jiger > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Nilesh and All, The following link has a lot of information about Hanuman. http://www.exoticindiaart.com/article/hanuman Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "Nilesh Joshi" <niljoshi27 <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:14 PM Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION Dear Wendyji and Jiger, As per hindu mythology Hanuman is nothing but an incarnation of lord Shiva. Best Regards Nilesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Mrs Wendy ji, Worship of Hanuman is also made on tues days also to ward off evil effects of mangal. hanuman ji in epics is a messenger and better known as Ram Sevak.In tretayug during the time of Lord Ram,Lakshman,brother of Sri Ram and Sri Hanuman seved Sri Ram and continued to be worshipped along with Sri Ram. krishnan Nilesh Joshi <niljoshi27 wrote: Dear Wendyji and Jiger, As per hindu mythology Hanuman is nothing but an incarnation of lord Shiva. Best Regards Nilesh jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish wrote: > > Dear Jiger, > > Can you tell me why you say 'Not lord Hanuman'? To the best of my > knowledge Hanuman worship (Puja) has always been advised as a remedy > to ward off the negative effects of Saturn. As said in earlier post, > legend has it that lord Hanuman extracted the promise from Saturn > that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. > > Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the seven facet rudraksha, > recommended to appease/please Saturn, is lorded by Hanumanji...is > this not so? > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ______________________________ > > - > "jiger shah" <jigershah > "jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya> > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:07 AM > Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR > STANDARDIZATION > > > dear sir > > harmful planets can be pacified by fasting > > works every time lesser you eat on saturday > > lesser will be the influence of saturn > > better yet message of sesame seed oil > > not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will > > be very helpful for saturn > > i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet > > magnet is a form of iron aswell > > regs jiger > Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Dear Krishnan, //Worship of Hanuman is also made on tues days also to ward off evil effects of mangal.// Yes indeed I do recall having read that (somewhere/sometime?). I do have a beautiful (large) poster of Hanuman somewhere (it might be in a frame behind another picture I think)...I must try to find it. It was given to me back in 1991 by an Indian couple who were in Australia as the course directors (Maharishi TM Siddhi Course). I was struggling through Saturn dasa and not having an easy time of it...put my neck out on the first day whilst doing yoga asanas and the very next day I got the worst flu I'd ever had...but somehow I struggled through the course, experiencing some beautiful spiritual moments along the way. The woman (I can't recall her name now) knocked on my door one night and gave me the poster. It was then I first learnt of Hanuman's ability to alleviate the difficulties associated with Saturn. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ - "vattem krishnan" <bursar_99 <jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:53 PM Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR STANDARDIZATION Dear Mrs Wendy ji, Worship of Hanuman is also made on tues days also to ward off evil effects of mangal. hanuman ji in epics is a messenger and better known as Ram Sevak.In tretayug during the time of Lord Ram,Lakshman,brother of Sri Ram and Sri Hanuman seved Sri Ram and continued to be worshipped along with Sri Ram. krishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 dear nilesh not exactly shiva him self his 11th rudra >"Nilesh Joshi" <niljoshi27 >jyotish-vidya >jyotish-vidya > Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR >STANDARDIZATION >Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:14:55 -0000 > > > > > >Dear Wendyji and Jiger, > > > >As per hindu mythology Hanuman is nothing but an incarnation of lord > >Shiva. > > > >Best Regards > > > >Nilesh > > > > > >jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish > >wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jiger, > > > > > > Can you tell me why you say 'Not lord Hanuman'? To the best of my > > > knowledge Hanuman worship (Puja) has always been advised as a > >remedy > > > to ward off the negative effects of Saturn. As said in earlier > >post, > > > legend has it that lord Hanuman extracted the promise from Saturn > > > that he would not harm any of Hanuman's devotees. > > > > > > Also, as I'm sure you're aware, the seven facet rudraksha, > > > recommended to appease/please Saturn, is lorded by Hanumanji...is > > > this not so? > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > - > > > "jiger shah" <jigershah > > > "jyotish-vidya" <jyotish-vidya> > > > Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:07 AM > > > Re: Re: Planetary Gemology: REQUEST FOR > > > STANDARDIZATION > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > > > > > harmful planets can be pacified by fasting > > > > > > works every time lesser you eat on saturday > > > > > > lesser will be the influence of saturn > > > > > > better yet message of sesame seed oil > > > > > > not hanuman but worship to lord shankar will > > > > > > be very helpful for saturn > > > > > > i suggest copper ring or copper magnetic bracelet > > > > > > magnet is a form of iron aswell > > > > > > regs jiger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. > > > jyotish-vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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