Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Dear List members, While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out the similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they are born just a month apart. Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can change many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me to have a look at Chiracs horoscope. Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to a person's destiny. Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in Plath's. I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna lord. If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss and compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. It would be a good learning experience. All the best, Neena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > > Dear List members, > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out the > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they are > born just a month apart. > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can change > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me to > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to a > person's destiny. > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in Plath's. > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna lord. > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss and > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > It would be a good learning experience. > > All the best, > > Neena Hi Neena, What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? Here's one: Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there might also be other bad indications in the chart... BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. Barney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 - Hi Barney, Sandhis are definitely weak points and lagna in sandhi would be weak. What is your view on vargottama but neecha? i have seen horoscopes with Taurus lagna lord in Virgo, vargottama. Generally planets in last navamsa of common sign and first navamsa of moveable signs are vargottama. In that case would you say they are weak or strong? The example you have given is of deep sandhi. So no doubt it is weak. Do you think it is the last degree and first degree of a sign that forms the sandhi ? BTW, can you give me the exact position of Kirkaldy? My software is probably not supporting it because I am getting 24* of Pisces. Must be due to the wrong long. & lat. values. -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out the > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they are > > born just a month apart. > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can change > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me to > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to a > > person's destiny. > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in Plath's. > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna lord. > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss and > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > All the best, > > > > Neena > > Hi Neena, > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? Here's one: > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > Barney > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 - I have tried the data again and now am getting 2* Aries as the ascendant. Please can someone confirm. Balarishta is very apparent in this chart. Moon is closely associated with retrograde Saturn and is aspected by Mars. Neena -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out the > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they are > > born just a month apart. > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can change > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me to > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to a > > person's destiny. > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in Plath's. > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna lord. > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss and > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > All the best, > > > > Neena > > Hi Neena, > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? Here's one: > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > Barney > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 jyotish-vidya, "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > - > Hi Barney, > > Sandhis are definitely weak points and lagna in sandhi would be weak. > > What is your view on vargottama but neecha? Well, Defouw & Svoboda say "..the strength of a vargottama graha will not be greatly enhanced if that rashi is it's place of debilitation" (LOL p112), and I've found this to be true. > > i have seen horoscopes with Taurus lagna lord in Virgo, > vargottama. Generally planets in last navamsa of common sign and > first navamsa of moveable signs are vargottama. In that case would > you say they are weak or strong? I'd say strong due to vargottama (unless also neecha), and if in the first/last degree they will also be weak and difficult to predict. Patrice has a good take on sandhi planets. Care to comment Patrice? > The example you have given is of deep sandhi. So no doubt it is > weak. Do you think it is the last degree and first degree of a sign > that forms the sandhi ? BTW, can you give me the exact position of > Kirkaldy? > My software is probably not supporting it because I am getting 24* > of Pisces. Must be due to the wrong long. & lat. values. Sorry, I misspelled the place. It should be Kirkcaldy, 3W10', 56N7', Zone 0. Barney > > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out > the > > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they > are > > > born just a month apart. > > > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can > change > > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me > to > > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to > a > > > person's destiny. > > > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in > Plath's. > > > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna > lord. > > > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss > and > > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Neena > > > > Hi Neena, > > > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? > Here's one: > > > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > > > Barney > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 "neenako" <neenako wrote: > > - > I have tried the data again and now am getting 2* Aries as the > ascendant. > > Please can someone confirm. > > Balarishta is very apparent in this chart. Moon is closely > associated with retrograde Saturn and is aspected by Mars. Yes, well spotted. Moon close to Saturn and closely aspected by Mars would weaken it, while also being in the exaltation sign, bright and waxing. What a mix! What's Balarishta? How's it constituted and what's the effect? Barney > Neena > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out > the > > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they > are > > > born just a month apart. > > > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can > change > > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me > to > > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to > a > > > person's destiny. > > > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in > Plath's. > > > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna > lord. > > > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss > and > > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > Neena > > > > Hi Neena, > > > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? > Here's one: > > > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > > > Barney > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 - Balarishta gives a life span of less than eight years to children. Though in Indian astrology it is also said that the child's first 4years are influenced by the purva punya of the mother, the next 4 years come under the influence of the father's purva punya and the 4 years after that is the child's purva punya. So if death occurs in the first 4 years it is mainly due to bad effects of mother's prva punya coming from previous births. -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > - > > I have tried the data again and now am getting 2* Aries as the > > ascendant. > > > > Please can someone confirm. > > > > Balarishta is very apparent in this chart. Moon is closely > > associated with retrograde Saturn and is aspected by Mars. > > Yes, well spotted. Moon close to Saturn and closely aspected by Mars > would weaken it, while also being in the exaltation sign, bright and > waxing. What a mix! > > What's Balarishta? How's it constituted and what's the effect? > > Barney > > > Neena > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out > > the > > > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they > > are > > > > born just a month apart. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can > > change > > > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me > > to > > > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to > > a > > > > person's destiny. > > > > > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in > > Plath's. > > > > > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna > > lord. > > > > > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss > > and > > > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > Hi Neena, > > > > > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? > > Here's one: > > > > > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > > > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > > > > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > > > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > > > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > > > > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > > > > > Barney > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 - Barney, Not only are Mars and Saturn aspecting Moon but they are also aspecting each other. Have you checked the starting dasa of birth? The starting dasa is of Moon. Isn't the picture amazingly clear? -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" <barney3728080 wrote: > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > - > > I have tried the data again and now am getting 2* Aries as the > > ascendant. > > > > Please can someone confirm. > > > > Balarishta is very apparent in this chart. Moon is closely > > associated with retrograde Saturn and is aspected by Mars. > > Yes, well spotted. Moon close to Saturn and closely aspected by Mars > would weaken it, while also being in the exaltation sign, bright and > waxing. What a mix! > > What's Balarishta? How's it constituted and what's the effect? > > Barney > > > Neena > > -- In jyotish-vidya, "barney3728080" > > <barney3728080@> wrote: > > > > > > "neenako" <neenako@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear List members, > > > > > > > > While studying the horoscope of Sylvia Plath someone pointed out > > the > > > > similarities between her and Jaques Chiracs horoscopes as they > > are > > > > born just a month apart. > > > > > > > > Ofcourse a month is a long period of time and fortunes can > > change > > > > many times over in the course of that time. But curiosity led me > > to > > > > have a look at Chiracs horoscope. > > > > > > > > Its amazing what the strength of lagna and lagna lord can do to > > a > > > > person's destiny. > > > > > > > > Both the horoscopes are available at astrodata.com. > > > > > > > > Chirac's lagna is very strong unlike Plath's. > > > > There is no opposition of Mars and Saturn unlike Plath's. > > > > > > > > Though Mercury is aspected by Mars in both horoscopes, Mars in > > > > Chirac's horoscope is tempered by association with Jupiter. > > > > Also being a kendra lord , Mars loses some of its maleficience. > > > > > > > > Mars is not debilitated in Chirac's chart while it is so in > > Plath's. > > > > > > > > I feel that one great basic difference in the horoscopes of > > > > acheivers and non acheivers is the strength of Lagna and lagna > > lord. > > > > > > > > If you have any horoscopes in your data bank that we can discuss > > and > > > > compare for strength of lagna lords do put it up. > > > > > > > > It would be a good learning experience. > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > Neena > > > > > > Hi Neena, > > > > > > What about an ascendant in sandhi, does that count as weak? > > Here's one: > > > > > > Jennifer Brown, first child of Gordon Brown (British politician) > > > Kirkaldy, Fife, Scotland, 28 Dec 2001, 12:16 GMT > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1747863.stm > > > > > > She was born prematurely by CS, and died ten days later. Note the > > > ascendant of 29d30'56" Pisces, the deepest sandhi. Of course there > > > might also be other bad indications in the chart... > > > > > > BTW, they've since had another child, with a much better ascendant. > > > > > > Barney > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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