Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 p.s. I wanted to say that given the discrepancy of my mother's birth time (which I gave as a best guess based on what I have used for years) the most important thing is asking the group for their collective prayers for my mother's comfort. guessing times is at best a fools game. And, can be very destructive to the person who comes for advice or direction. If members would want to try and study my mother's current health crisis then the Prasna chart with its transit effects would be (and I should of stated this in my original post) the best chart to work from. If at all. However, for me, I can put events together to come to a close natal chart layout, but again it is not exact. Which is another reason why my mother's chart is not listed in the database. I believe Wendy's 4:21 time of birth was and is the closes to accuracy regarding my mother's situation and also Patrice's work with the 4:20 time without any DST time. Both seem to accurately describe my mother's soul and current chart. I did try to verify the questions put forth about t.o.b but my overall intent is to ask all for continual prayers and strength. As always, Uttara muttaraphalguni <muttaraphalguni wrote: Dear Patrice, and all, // Uttara, do you get a Gemini Ascendant for your mother, with Moon at 27 degrees Ashlesha? (Just checking due to no DST.) This is using Wendy's time of 4:21.// Using Lahiri Ayanamsha Yes, when I use the time of 4:20 or Wendy's time of 4:21, I do get a Moon of 27* Cancer with Ashlesha/Me. If I use 16:20, I get a Moon of 8* Leo with Magha/Ke If I use the Prasna chart I get a Moon of 8* Gemini with Ardra/Ra As one can imagine, I have been in frequent contact with my mother today and medical advice and imminent surgery next Thursday or a very real possibility at any one given time if her symptoms become worse. The tumor that mother says was not there 10 days ago is now as I reported earlier of a soccer ball size and it goes from under her rib cage across her whole abdomen. Today the swelling in her abdomen is even bigger and the doctors are concerned that the aggressive and fast growing tumor is grossly out of control. Mother looks like she is four months pregnant, going on five. While talking with my mother, I asked her again about her birth time. She believes that she was born in the afternoon vs. the morning hour of 4:20. If she can find her birth certificate, it will help to establish the hour but it won't confirm whether it is am or pm. Further, she told me today that she thought my father was born in the afternoon. Which begs one to reconsider my father's Twin sister whose birth certificate says 2:59. And my father's, who is believed to be 3:24. This of course would support my research and findings that birth certificates before 1967 were not legally obligated to write birth times in 24 hour or use am or pm after the time. The only thing that is clear, is that all times in Chicago before 1967 were recorded on birth certificates in Standard Time. As confusing as it sounds, Patrice and all, I hope the information helps. I certainly would like to get a clearer take on it too. Uttara p.s. If it helps at all, my relationship with my mother has always been intense. In the last few years very confrontational and dividing. It has only been in the last year that we have tried to establish some reasonable exchange. Mother has a very narcissistic, passive aggressive personality which can be very vindictive when personally wounded with her sensitivity. I also feel she has been depressed for years. With a lot of different traumas and expectations. I on the other hand am very sensitive, stubborn, and tenacious. I am also the baby who replaced her love child who died at birth. WHAT A PAIR! jyotish-vidya, "Patrice Curry" <patricecurry wrote: > > Dear Uttara, > > > > All blessings and prayers to your mother - and to you and your family. > > > > Also may we ask for your ancestors blessings and help at this time. > > > > Uttara, do you get a Gemini Ascendant for your mother, with Moon at 27 > degrees Ashlesha? (Just checking due to no DST.) This is using Wendy's time > of 4:21. > > > > Kindest regards, > > Patrice > > > > _____ > > jyotish-vidya [jyotish- vidya] > On Behalf Of Uttara > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:36 AM > jyotish-vidya > Fwd: Prayers Needed > > > > p.s. 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi Jiger, Just wanted to acknowledge your reply to me regarding your observations. I have had the chance to download what you were looking at and advising. I have printed it out with others advice and delineations. Thank you. Your contribution to my mother's plight and her recovery are very much appreciated. Uttara jyotish-vidya, "jiger shah" <jigershah wrote: > > last night I casted a simple prashna chart for jacksovville florida > > I used the chart for from ascend for a different person > > then I came across your mail so I switched the same chart with moon in ascend > > nothing fency I was just taking the stock of the situation > > how serious it was and what prashan has to say about recovery > > and besides the prayers of group I wanted to know the wish of god > > by finding out where was jupiter and what would be his role > > it was in fifth in my prashna chart which was a great relief > > > - > Uttara<muttaraphalguni > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya> > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:00 AM > Re: Prayers Needed > > > Hi Jiger, > > Are you using a Bhava house chart or some other? > > I really appreciate you analysis but maybe becaue I am so bone tired I am missing something that you are trying to convey. > > Your efforts are appreciated. If and when you have time, Could you enlighten me further on your take? > > Uttara > > jiger shah <jigershah wrote: > my prayers > > prashan revealed this as under > > as saturn in 2nd aspects 8th house and mars in 12 aspects 6 and 7th > > and ascend and moon is in paap kartari while ascend lord mer is eclipsed > > hard to say dual rashi rising recovery will be long process > > relapse is very much possible with 2 retrogades more so saturn in 2nd > > equal balance of melifics and benifica in trines and qudrants > > patience has a fighting spirit > > prayers can tilt the scale in your favour lets see > > jup is in trine watching over body and mind > - > muttaraphalguni<muttaraphalguni > jyotish-vidya<jyotish- vidya> > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:50 PM > Prayers Needed > > > To All, > > May I solicite from all, their prayers for my mother's declining > health. > > Next Thursday (Mar 16th) and not before because of heart medication, > my mother will undergo Cancer surgery for the ovary. 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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 this mail here was my prashna prediction for uttara I mentioned then and now retro saturn was aspecting 8th house a relapse was possible - jiger shah<jigershah Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:39 AM Re: Prayers Needed my prayers prashan revealed this as under as saturn in 2nd aspects 8th house and mars in 12 aspects 6 and 7th and ascend and moon is in paap kartari while ascend lord mer is eclipsed hard to say dual rashi rising recovery will be long process relapse is very much possible with 2 retrogades more so saturn in 2nd equal balance of melifics and benifica in trines and qudrants patience has a fighting spirit prayers can tilt the scale in your favour lets see jup is in trine watching over body and mind - muttaraphalguni<muttaraphalguni jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya> Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:50 PM Prayers Needed To All, May I solicite from all, their prayers for my mother's declining health. Next Thursday (Mar 16th) and not before because of heart medication, my mother will undergo Cancer surgery for the ovary. Tonight, I learned that the size of the tumor, which is fast growing, is the size of a softball. My mother's birth data: Jun 15, 1926 4:20pm) ??? for 4:20 to 4:40am (no Daylight Savings Time) Chicago, Illinois, USA On light of the day's news that Dana Reeve has passed away from Lung Cancer at the age of 44yrs, does not compare in gravity. However, the demise of ones soul is warraneted of recognition and prayers for their flight into a spiritual world that none of us is totality prepared. Uttara Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO\ 4MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> Personal reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&\ w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD\ 0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> Astrology chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37Z\ Q_wOuOlD9B7beQ> Astrology software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p\ pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> a.. Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" on the web. b.. jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya-@\ groups.com?subject=Un> c.. Terms of Service<>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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