Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0221, 22:49:07 IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Fagan Bradley 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 18° 57' 8˜ Ascendant Virgo 18° 57' 28˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 41' 31˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 41' 51˜ Moon Virgo 24° 2' 42˜ Moon Virgo 24° 3' 2˜ Mars Aries 3° 10' 53˜ Mars Aries 3° 11' 12˜ Mercury Sagittarius 20° 20' 36˜ Mercury Sagittarius 20° 20' 55˜ Jupiter Aries 11° 7' 34˜ Jupiter Aries 11° 7' 53˜ Venus Capricorn 5° 53' 34˜ Venus Capricorn 5° 53' 53˜ Saturn Sagittarius 7° 14' 17˜ Saturn Sagittarius 7° 14' 36˜ Rahu Pisces 3° 15' 29˜ Rahu Pisces 3° 15' 48˜ Ketu Virgo 3° 15' 29˜ Ketu Virgo 3° 15' 48˜ Uranus Scorpio 24° 42' 42˜ Uranus Scorpio 24° 43' 1˜ Neptune Pisces 20° 21' 17˜ Neptune Pisces 20° 21' 37˜ Pluto Leo 0° 18' 49˜ Pluto Leo 0° 19' 8˜ Date of coincidences 22/03/0285, 22:49:07 IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Lahiri 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Scorpio 27° 49' 0 Ascendant Scorpio 27° 49' 7˜ Sun Aries 1° 57' 16 Sun Aries 1° 57' 23˜ Moon Pisces 21° 2' 59 Moon Pisces 21° 3' 6˜ Mars Taurus 29° 36' 55 Mars Taurus 29° 37' 1˜ Mercury Pisces 25° 8' 12 Mercury Pisces 25° 8' 19˜ Jupiter Virgo 16° 22' 59˜ Jupiter Virgo 16° 23' 6˜ Venus Aries 20° 46' 21˜ Venus Aries 20° 46' 28˜ Saturn Aquarius 9° 7' 57˜ Saturn Aquarius 9° 8' 4˜ Rahu Virgo 21° 7' 42˜ Rahu Virgo 21° 7' 49˜ Ketu Pisces 21° 7' 42˜ Ketu Pisces 21° 7' 49˜ Uranus Leo 20° 47' 24˜ Uranus Leo 20° 47' 31 Neptune Leo 13° 26' 5˜ Neptune Leo 13° 26' 12˜ Pluto Sagittarius 27° 31' 36˜ Pluto Sagittarius 27° 31' 43˜ Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0397, 22:49:0 IST GMT 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Raman 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 20° 7' 27˜ Ascendant Virgo 20° 1' 21˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 55' 50˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 49' 44˜ Moon Cancer 20° 55' 25˜ Moon Cancer 20° 49' 18˜ Mars Sagittarius 10° 58' 42˜ Mars Sagittarius 10° 52' 36˜ Mercury Aquarius 0° 25' 25˜ Mercury Aquarius 0° 19' 18˜ Jupiter Aquarius 14° 42' 42˜ Jupiter Aquarius 14° 36' 35˜ Venus Capricorn 19° 29' 38˜ Venus Capricorn 19° 23' 32˜ Saturn Sagittarius 2° 24' 27˜ Saturn Sagittarius 2° 18' 20˜ Rahu Virgo 19° 6' 31˜ Rahu Virgo 19° 0' 24˜ Ketu Pisces 19° 6' 31˜ Ketu Pisces 19° 0' 24˜ Uranus Sagittarius 28° 57' 13˜ Uranus Sagittarius 28° 51' 6˜ Neptune Aries 17° 42' 17˜ Neptune Aries 17° 36' 11˜ Pluto Taurus 7° 23' 45˜ Pluto Taurus 7° 17' 39˜ Date of coincidences 01/01/0499, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Yukteswar 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 20° 22' 16˜ Ascendant Virgo 20° 18' 47˜ Sun Capricorn 12° 9' 55˜ Sun Capricorn 12° 6' 27˜ Moon Aquarius 17° 58' 16˜ Moon Aquarius 17° 54' 48˜ Mars Aquarius 9° 35' 21˜ Mars Aquarius 9° 31' 52˜ Mercury Sagittarius 24° 6' 11˜ Mercury Sagittarius 24° 2' 43˜ Jupiter Libra 9° 49' 5˜ Jupiter Libra 9° 45' 37˜ Venus Sagittarius 20° 6' 56˜ Venus Sagittarius 20° 3' 27˜ Saturn Taurus 8° 21' 57˜ Saturn Taurus 8° 18' 28˜ Rahu Pisces 26° 15' 2˜ Rahu Pisces 26° 11' 34˜ Ketu Virgo 26° 15' 2˜ Ketu Virgo 26° 11' 34˜ Uranus Pisces 8° 47' 40˜ Uranus Pisces 8° 44' 12˜ Neptune Sagittarius 4° 39' 44˜ Neptune Sagittarius 4° 36' 15˜ Pluto Libra 13° 31' 36˜ Pluto Libra 13° 28' 8˜ Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be exactly same. v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, minutes & seconds. Date of coincidences 01/01/0291, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Krishnamurti 0:0:0, Degrees Ascendant Virgo 18° 59' 4˜ Ascendant Virgo 18° 59' 20˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 40' 48˜ Sun Capricorn 11° 41' 3 Moon Cancer 2° 35' 24˜ Moon Cancer 2° 35' 40˜ Mars Leo 9° 8' 58˜ Mars Leo 9° 9' 13˜ Mercury Capricorn 24° 47' 46˜ Mercury Capricorn 24° 48' 2˜ Jupiter Pisces 5° 19' 3˜ Jupiter Pisces 5° 19' 18˜ Venus Sagittarius 5° 18' 40˜ Venus Sagittarius 5° 18' 55˜ Saturn Aries 11° 7' 37˜ Saturn Aries 11° 7' 52˜ Rahu Taurus 29° 20' 20˜ Rahu Taurus 29° 20' 35˜ Ketu Scorpio 29° 20' 20˜ Ketu Scorpio 29° 20' 35˜ Uranus Virgo 22° 53' 54˜ Uranus Virgo 22° 54' 9˜ Neptune Leo 28° 50' 17˜ Neptune Leo 28° 50' 33˜ Pluto Capricorn 6° 23' 40˜ Pluto Capricorn 6° 23' 56˜ Date of coincidences 01/01/1155, 22:49:07, IST GMT, 77E 2, 28N 28 Tropical 0:0:0 Degrees Tarun Chopra 0:0:0 Degrees Ascendant Virgo 23° 42' 31˜ Ascendant Virgo 23° 42' 31˜ Sun Capricorn 10° 47' 10˜ Sun Capricorn 10° 47' 10˜ Moon Leo 24° 12' 16˜ Moon Leo 24° 12' 16˜ Mars Sagittarius 16° 48' 41˜ Mars Sagittarius 16° 48' 41˜ Mercury Capricorn 1° 13' 10˜ Mercury Capricorn 1° 13' 10˜ Jupiter Capricorn 21° 2' 37˜ Jupiter Capricorn 21° 2' 37˜ Venus Aquarius 7° 16' 33˜ Venus Aquarius 7° 16' 33˜ Saturn Virgo 13° 57' 51˜ Saturn Virgo 13° 57' 51˜ Rahu Sagittarius 28° 18' 44˜ Rahu Sagittarius 28° 18' 44˜ Ketu Gemini 28° 18' 44˜ Ketu Gemini 28° 18' 44˜ Uranus Capricorn 15° 14' 11˜ Uranus Capricorn 15° 14' 11˜ Neptune Sagittarius 7° 23' 6˜ Neptune Sagittarius 7° 23' 6˜ Pluto Gemini 3° 0' 1˜ Pluto Gemini 3° 0' 1˜ Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha is 01/01/1155 and precession rate is 50.2719 seconds / year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Tarun, Namaste I received your mail & this seems to be a good opportunity to restate what I said in another forum as maybe others here will be able to further explain/confirm what I write or else be able to point out where I have gone wrong. Basically, there are 2 assumptions I am making & this is most likely where I have erred if I have indeed erred: 1) that the different Ayanamshas are due to difference in opinion regarding the date of coincidence of the tropical & sidereal zodiacs (the date/time when both zodiacs are exactly aligned) 2) Ayanamsha calculations are based on this set date of coincidence If these two assumptions are correct then it follows that checking the planetary positions on both the tropical and sidereal (using a given Ayanamsha) zodiacs for the date/time of coincience for the given Ayanamsha and finding that the positions aren't exactly equal would tell us nothing about the validity of the Ayanamsha, it only tells us that either the calculations were not perfectly precise or else that the date/time used was not actually the date/time of coincidence that the Ayanamsha was based on. Another way to put it is this: Setting the date/time of coincidence of the 2 Zodiacs is essentially setting the planetary positions on the 2 zodiacs to be exactly equal at this date/time. Then the Ayanamsha is calculated for other date/times based on this set date/time of coincidence. Here a formula can be devised to calcualate the Ayanamsha for any other date/time. To then go and use the said formula to calcuate the positions of the planets on the sidereal zodiac on the date/time of coincidence and find that the positions aren't exactly the same as on the tropical zodiac for this date/time would only mean that our formula or calcuations were just not as precise as needed. This would tell us nothing at all regarding the validity of the Ayanamsha/Date of coincidence. And this seems to be what you have done. It seems the only way to check the validity of an Ayanamsha/date of coincidence is by applying it when drawing up birth charts and then checking to see if the life events of the natives align themselves with the chart. This process is not very precise as we have seen so many ways of explaining the life events by using different aspects of the chart... Take it easy, Sean jyotish-vidya, "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun wrote: > > Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system > > > v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha should be > exactly same. > > > > v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other > > > > v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, > minutes & seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 dear sean you have said To then go and use the said formula to calcuate the positions of the planets on the sidereal zodiac on the date/time of coincidence and find that the positions aren't exactly the same as on the tropical zodiac for this date/time would only mean that our formula or calcuations were just not as precise as needed. This would tell us nothing at all regarding the validity of the Ayanamsha/Date of coincidence. And this seems to be what you have done *well i have not calculated it this calculation is based on Goravani software and i did check from other software as well are you saying that these software's are not generating the right horoscope. * *I don't agree on this. and i have checked events of people as well their characteristics which goes fine with my ayanamsha. even the dates come right when there is any change in dasha of a native.* ** *this never happens with lahiri or any other ayanamsha. you can first research with my ayanamsha and see if it works on you or any other horoscopes which you know well.* ** *regards* *Tarun Chopra* On 2/19/06, Sean Patrick Kelly <toosean wrote: > > Tarun, > > Namaste > > I received your mail & this seems to be a good opportunity to > restate what I said in another forum as maybe others here will be > able to further explain/confirm what I write or else be able to > point out where I have gone wrong. > > Basically, there are 2 assumptions I am making & this is most likely > where I have erred if I have indeed erred: > > 1) that the different Ayanamshas are due to difference in opinion > regarding the date of coincidence of the tropical & sidereal zodiacs > (the date/time when both zodiacs are exactly aligned) > > 2) Ayanamsha calculations are based on this set date of coincidence > > If these two assumptions are correct then it follows that checking > the planetary positions on both the tropical and sidereal (using a > given Ayanamsha) zodiacs for the date/time of coincience for the > given Ayanamsha and finding that the positions aren't exactly equal > would tell us nothing about the validity of the Ayanamsha, it only > tells us that either the calculations were not perfectly precise or > else that the date/time used was not actually the date/time of > coincidence that the Ayanamsha was based on. > > > Another way to put it is this: > > Setting the date/time of coincidence of the 2 Zodiacs is essentially > setting the planetary positions on the 2 zodiacs to be exactly equal > at this date/time. > > Then the Ayanamsha is calculated for other date/times based on this > set date/time of coincidence. Here a formula can be devised to > calcualate the Ayanamsha for any other date/time. > > To then go and use the said formula to calcuate the positions of the > planets on the sidereal zodiac on the date/time of coincidence and > find that the positions aren't exactly the same as on the tropical > zodiac for this date/time would only mean that our formula or > calcuations were just not as precise as needed. This would tell us > nothing at all regarding the validity of the Ayanamsha/Date of > coincidence. And this seems to be what you have done. > > It seems the only way to check the validity of an Ayanamsha/date of > coincidence is by applying it when drawing up birth charts and then > checking to see if the life events of the natives align themselves > with the chart. This process is not very precise as we have seen so > many ways of explaining the life events by using different aspects > of the chart... > > Take it easy, > Sean > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Tarun Chopra" > <occultwizard.tarun wrote: > > > > Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system > > > > > > v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha > should be > > exactly same. > > > > > > > > v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other > > > > > > > > v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, > > minutes & seconds. > > Vedic astrology</gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology\ &w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO\ 4MpluS2asBWBNSmhpw> Personal > reading</gads?t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&\ w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD\ 0jE4wdrKci5kYdbGg> Astrology > chart</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=\ Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37Z\ Q_wOuOlD9B7beQ> Astrology > software</gads?t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrolo\ gy&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astrology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2p\ pjGhzNbatbst8bLMRfMw> > ------------------------------ > > > > - Visit your group "jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya>" > on the web. > > - > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya- (AT) (DOT) \ com?subject=Un> > > - Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- www.occultwizard.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 Namaste Yes, if indeed ayanamshas & ayanamsha calculations are based on a set date of coincidence then plugging that date of coincidence into a program & selecting the correspondending ayanamsha from the program options should result in the same planetary positions as on the tropical zodiac. If that is not the case then either the calcuations the program made were not precise or else that date was not actually the date the ayanamsha was based on. Either way, this method of checking would not tell us anything about the validity of the ayanamsha. That is ALL I'm saying. I'm am NOT saying anthing at all about the validity of your ayanamsha If you use it and it works well enough for you to be able to make accurate predictions based on it then enough said. Peace, Sean jyotish-vidya, "Tarun Chopra" <occultwizard.tarun wrote: > > dear sean > > you have said > > To then go and use the said formula to calcuate the positions of the > planets on the sidereal zodiac on the date/time of coincidence and > find that the positions aren't exactly the same as on the tropical > zodiac for this date/time would only mean that our formula or > calcuations were just not as precise as needed. This would tell us > nothing at all regarding the validity of the Ayanamsha/Date of > coincidence. And this seems to be what you have done > > *well i have not calculated it this calculation is based on Goravani > software and i did check from other software as well are you saying that > these software's are not generating the right horoscope. * > *I don't agree on this. and i have checked events of people as well their > characteristics which goes fine with my ayanamsha. even the dates come right > when there is any change in dasha of a native.* > ** > *this never happens with lahiri or any other ayanamsha. you can first > research with my ayanamsha and see if it works on you or any other > horoscopes which you know well.* > ** > *regards* > > *Tarun Chopra* > > > > > > On 2/19/06, Sean Patrick Kelly <toosean wrote: > > > > Tarun, > > > > Namaste > > > > I received your mail & this seems to be a good opportunity to > > restate what I said in another forum as maybe others here will be > > able to further explain/confirm what I write or else be able to > > point out where I have gone wrong. > > > > Basically, there are 2 assumptions I am making & this is most likely > > where I have erred if I have indeed erred: > > > > 1) that the different Ayanamshas are due to difference in opinion > > regarding the date of coincidence of the tropical & sidereal zodiacs > > (the date/time when both zodiacs are exactly aligned) > > > > 2) Ayanamsha calculations are based on this set date of coincidence > > > > If these two assumptions are correct then it follows that checking > > the planetary positions on both the tropical and sidereal (using a > > given Ayanamsha) zodiacs for the date/time of coincience for the > > given Ayanamsha and finding that the positions aren't exactly equal > > would tell us nothing about the validity of the Ayanamsha, it only > > tells us that either the calculations were not perfectly precise or > > else that the date/time used was not actually the date/time of > > coincidence that the Ayanamsha was based on. > > > > > > Another way to put it is this: > > > > Setting the date/time of coincidence of the 2 Zodiacs is essentially > > setting the planetary positions on the 2 zodiacs to be exactly equal > > at this date/time. > > > > Then the Ayanamsha is calculated for other date/times based on this > > set date/time of coincidence. Here a formula can be devised to > > calcualate the Ayanamsha for any other date/time. > > > > To then go and use the said formula to calcuate the positions of the > > planets on the sidereal zodiac on the date/time of coincidence and > > find that the positions aren't exactly the same as on the tropical > > zodiac for this date/time would only mean that our formula or > > calcuations were just not as precise as needed. This would tell us > > nothing at all regarding the validity of the Ayanamsha/Date of > > coincidence. And this seems to be what you have done. > > > > It seems the only way to check the validity of an Ayanamsha/date of > > coincidence is by applying it when drawing up birth charts and then > > checking to see if the life events of the natives align themselves > > with the chart. This process is not very precise as we have seen so > > many ways of explaining the life events by using different aspects > > of the chart... > > > > Take it easy, > > Sean > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, "Tarun Chopra" > > <occultwizard.tarun@> wrote: > > > > > > Ayanamsha Tropical and the sidereal system > > > > > > > > > v For Correct Ayanamsha, Tropical and the other Ayanamsha > > should be > > > exactly same. > > > > > > > > > > > > v Those degrees are in RED color differ from Each other > > > > > > > > > > > > v Only Tarun Chopra's Ayanamsha matches in exact degrees, > > > minutes & seconds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology</gads? t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astr ology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=GMFO4MpluS2asBWBNSmhp w> Personal > > reading</gads? t=ms&k=Personal+reading&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Ast rology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=aZKjD0jE4wdrKci5kYdb Gg> Astrology > > chart</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+chart&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Personal+reading&w3=Astr ology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=b8Elc37ZQ_wOuOlD9B7be Q> Astrology > > software</gads? t=ms&k=Astrology+software&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Personal+reading&w3=A strology+chart&w4=Astrology+software&c=4&s=88&.sig=2ppjGhzNbatbst8bLM RfMw> > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > - Visit your group "jyotish- vidya<jyotish-vidya>" > > on the web. > > > > - > > jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya- ?subject=Un> > > > > - Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > www.occultwizard.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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