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Dear Uttara,

 

Oh dear! let's try to clear the muddy waters if we can :-(

 

//4th Lord Mars/Scorpio aspects 7th lord Saturn/Aquarius, 10th lord

Venus/Taurus and 11th lord Mercury/Gemini//

 

Let's forget about SA, VE and ME for the moment and concentrate on

the 4th(kendra) and 5th(trikona) houses only. As you can see Mars

owns 4th and Jupiter owns 5th - right! - forget about Mars 9th

lordship for now.

 

As we know the conjunction or mutual aspect of a kendra and trikona

lord gives rise to a raj yoga. We see this yoga in Fraser's chart

with the mutual aspect between 4th and 5th lords...

 

For Fraser, Mars himself is a YogaKaraka as he owns both 4th(kendra)

and 9th(trikona)...do you see this? These are very auspicious yogas,

however, the affliction of the nodes, with Jupiter not strong enough

to overpower Rahu and Ketu afflicting both 9th and 9th lord, detracts

greatly from the beneficence of these yogas...

 

Of course this is (only) my opinion...others may disagree, and I

certainly welcome their opinion.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

 

-

"muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni

<jyotish-vidya>

Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:55 PM

4th and 5th Lords mutual aspect?

 

 

Dear Wendy

 

You wrote:

 

//Dear Uttara,

4th lord Mars aspects 5th lord Jupiter (and vice-versa)...hence the

yoga between 4th/5th lords.//

 

 

Ok, with my eyes glazed over. I am counting the following.

 

4th Lord Mars/Scorpio aspects 7th lord Saturn/Aquarius, 10th lord

Venus/Taurus and 11th lord Mercury/Gemini

 

5th lord Jupiter/Sag aspects 9th lord Mars/Aries, 11th lord

Mercury/Gemini and 1st Lord Sun/Leo.

 

I get the 5th lord Jupiter aspecting 9th lord Mars. However, I am

finding it difficult to understand how 4th lord Mars aspects 8th

lord Jupiter. Shouldn't 4th lord Mars aspect 7th lord Saturn?

 

If I take 9th lord Mars/Aries or even Mars in own house Aries, I get

aspects to 12th Lord Moon/Cancer, 3rd Lord Venus/Libra and 4th Lord

Mars/Scorpio

 

If I take 8th lord Jupiter, its aspects are 12th lord Moon/Cancer,

2nd Lord Mercury/Virgo and 4th Lord Mars/Scorpio.

 

I get the 8th lord Jupiter aspecting 4th lord Mars/Scorpio.

 

If I take Jupiter in 3rd house Libra/Ve, the aspects are 7th house

Aquarius/Sa, 9th house Aries/Mars and 11th house Gemini/Mercury.

 

I get the Jupiter in 3rd house Libra/Ve aspecting the 9th house

Aries/Ma

 

I still don't get how 4th and 5th LORDS Mars and Jupiter are mutual

aspects to each other.

 

YIKES,

 

Uttara :-)

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Wendy!!

 

With delight, Yes, Yes; I not only understand what you are saying

but I fully comprehend it.

 

I was not concentrating on the terms Kendra and Trikona and that was

leading me astray.

 

I understand the 4th Kendra and 5th Trikona lord Mar/JU mutual

exchange as well as its Raja Yoga. I also understand the Raja

Yogakaraka of 4th and 9th Lord Mars. As well as Ketu's placement in

9th house that weakens it.

 

Too, I understand that 8th Lord Jupiter is more of a dusthana house

than a Panaparas (in this chart) and is also Moksha, causing grief

and obstacles toward spiritual transformation. 9th Lord Mars a

Trikona does not exchange with 8th lord Jupiter.

 

All my Best,

 

Uttara

 

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Uttara,

>

> Oh dear! let's try to clear the muddy waters if we can :-(

>

> //4th Lord Mars/Scorpio aspects 7th lord Saturn/Aquarius, 10th lord

> Venus/Taurus and 11th lord Mercury/Gemini//

>

> Let's forget about SA, VE and ME for the moment and concentrate on

> the 4th(kendra) and 5th(trikona) houses only. As you can see Mars

> owns 4th and Jupiter owns 5th - right! - forget about Mars 9th

> lordship for now.

>

> As we know the conjunction or mutual aspect of a kendra and

trikona

> lord gives rise to a raj yoga. We see this yoga in Fraser's chart

> with the mutual aspect between 4th and 5th lords...

>

> For Fraser, Mars himself is a YogaKaraka as he owns both 4th

(kendra)

> and 9th(trikona)...do you see this? These are very auspicious

yogas,

> however, the affliction of the nodes, with Jupiter not strong

enough

> to overpower Rahu and Ketu afflicting both 9th and 9th lord,

detracts

> greatly from the beneficence of these yogas...

>

> Of course this is (only) my opinion...others may disagree, and I

> certainly welcome their opinion.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni>

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:55 PM

> 4th and 5th Lords mutual aspect?

>

>

> Dear Wendy

>

> You wrote:

>

> //Dear Uttara,

> 4th lord Mars aspects 5th lord Jupiter (and vice-versa)...hence the

> yoga between 4th/5th lords.//

>

>

> Ok, with my eyes glazed over. I am counting the following.

>

> 4th Lord Mars/Scorpio aspects 7th lord Saturn/Aquarius, 10th lord

> Venus/Taurus and 11th lord Mercury/Gemini

>

> 5th lord Jupiter/Sag aspects 9th lord Mars/Aries, 11th lord

> Mercury/Gemini and 1st Lord Sun/Leo.

>

> I get the 5th lord Jupiter aspecting 9th lord Mars. However, I am

> finding it difficult to understand how 4th lord Mars aspects 8th

> lord Jupiter. Shouldn't 4th lord Mars aspect 7th lord Saturn?

>

> If I take 9th lord Mars/Aries or even Mars in own house Aries, I

get

> aspects to 12th Lord Moon/Cancer, 3rd Lord Venus/Libra and 4th Lord

> Mars/Scorpio

>

> If I take 8th lord Jupiter, its aspects are 12th lord Moon/Cancer,

> 2nd Lord Mercury/Virgo and 4th Lord Mars/Scorpio.

>

> I get the 8th lord Jupiter aspecting 4th lord Mars/Scorpio.

>

> If I take Jupiter in 3rd house Libra/Ve, the aspects are 7th house

> Aquarius/Sa, 9th house Aries/Mars and 11th house Gemini/Mercury.

>

> I get the Jupiter in 3rd house Libra/Ve aspecting the 9th house

> Aries/Ma

>

> I still don't get how 4th and 5th LORDS Mars and Jupiter are mutual

> aspects to each other.

>

> YIKES,

>

> Uttara :-)

>

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