Enemies can teach us much: I bow to them!

January 20, 2006

Dear Fraser and All,

You Wrote:

///Even after reading my birth chart, you don't

know me at all.

I will be copy-pasting this post to all those who have mailed me

privately, lest you delete it before the world sets eyes on it.

I am sure a lot of them are still waiting for your definition of

EXALTATION.///

If I'm not mistaken it says (somewhere) in the Ramayana; "I bow to

the demons of this world (because without them there would be no

saints)" {or words to that effect}. There can be no doubt that the

intent behind your words (and your ID) have been deliberately

malicious (poorly disguised hatred), and there can be no doubt that

the severe affliction in your 4th house of emotional heart/mind is

the root cause...

Much can be learned from your horoscope Fraser, so, for the benefit

of learning, I will succumb to your wishes and give a reading...

Responding particularly to your following demand, perhaps we may all

understand a little better the difference between exalted Ketu and

weak/afflicted Ketu (bhava sandhi).

//What do YOU say 'constitutes' exaltation. Teach me, please!//

In your chart, not only is Ketu in bhava sandhi, it is at the

(malefic) juction point between Pisces and Aries. A planet in

Gandanta, the junction between a fire sign and water sign, i.e.

Pisces-Aries, Cancer-Leo, and Scorpio-Sagittarius is inauspicious

and cannot benefit the house it occupies.

We will see how this relates to your previous statement...

///Now, if you were to look at my chart and check out ketu and it's

dispositor,

you would have to agree that I would have better significations of

Ketu than Deepak.///

We will also see, in light of the fact that 9th house governs such

things as Vedas, higher learning etc., how this Ketu initiates such

disdain towards those involved in teaching the vedic sciences i.e.

Ayurveda (Deepak), Vedic astrology (myself)... And the significance

of 9th lord Mars dispositorship of afflicted MO/SA.

PS: For those who might have missed it before, Fraser's details are;

Aug 23 1958 (07.43.55)

Bombay, India

Lagna: Leo 24°34'51'

Time permitting I will post your reading within the next day or two,

Fraser. I'm also busy at the moment trying to get Vol 2 of BPHS up

on JyotishVidya.website...so it really depends on how well I can

manage my time.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

______________________________

-

"walkingmisswendy" <walkingmisswendy

<jyotish-vidya>

Friday, January 20, 2006 4:54 AM

Re: The question of my marriage

Wendy,

OK that's enough!!

The 'other' purpose of this post is to see for myself, if you allow

it to be put up on the forum.

I will first address your hysterics and then impart knowledge for

whoever's benefit.

//How can you possibly know the level of divinity(?) as it's

manifested in this chart?//

I have seen Deepak on TV on numerous occasions, and heard the man

talk. Seen the man's condescending, supercilious, patronising

attitude to the rest of the panel. His almost insulting ways and

tone

to a catholic priest. His attitude during the war, when he spoke of

love conquering all. He spoke with that 'holier than thou' attitude.

I can go on about other and much 'authenticated' stuff, but I do not

want this to be on this forum, and it does not matter what you

think.

//It is possible to be non-attached to success...or are you one

who believes it's only possible to be non-attached to

poverty.//

If you actually believe, that, that is what I suggested, then I have

nothing to say on that point at all. If you knew my background or if

you knew basic astrology, you would know better, having access to my

birth chart. But, never mind, I understand......

//Yes, this would amaze me, Fraser! Although I do not consider

myself a better(?) to anyone, I do find your new ID

walkingmisswendy) totally disrespectful...and that was exactly

what you intended!//

The name I chose, was malicious. I take full reponsibility to having

an intent that was far from 'pure'. I do see that it was in bad

taste, to say the least. It was a nasty temptation that I gave in

to.

It was wrong. It is despicable. It carried with it, a twisted sense

of humour. It was the work of the lesser man in me. If you have read

so far and are waiting for that word, here it is: SORRY !!.

Now Wendy, what did we learn here? GRACE. Yes, Grace. I have the

backbone to own up and admit, and receive, that rap on the wrist. If

only, you would take a lesson from me and stop getting hyper at

every

turn.

ALSO, -this I never thought, I would be forced to bring up, but I

find it compelling now. In the last few days I have received more

than 9 (yes more than 9 -its not a typo)private emails,

from 'regulars' on this forum. If they are reading this, they know

who they are. The contents of those emails is negative, and its not

directed towards me.

The last time I asked you if you wanted me to leave and you blocked

me. I don't understand. Ask me to leave openly on the forum and I

will leave. It's simple.

No matter what you say and think, I do not have anything against

you.

I do not send out malicious private emails. Thats not me. I prefer

to

be outspoken and honest. Even after reading my birth chart, you

don't

know me at all.

I will be copy-pasting this post to all those who have mailed me

privately, lest you delete it before the world sets eyes on it.

I am sure a lot of them are still waiting for your definition of

EXALTATION.

Have a nice day, Wendy.

Regards,

Fraser

January 21, 2006

Dear All,

Namaste

Wendy, I am looking forward to your continued interpretation of this

chart.

I looked at this chart and the main thing that I was drawn to was the

position of Gulika. It this chart it afflicts the both the lagna and

lagnesh Sun (in fact it has the same degree as lagnesh Sun!).

>From BPHS "If Gulika is in the ascendant, the native will be

afflicted by diseases, be lustful, sinful, crafty, wicked, and very

miserable."

The very close association of Gulika with Sun perhaps brings out

the "cruel" nature of the Sun.

Here it is further afflicting a combust, retrograde Mercury (natural

karaka for expression and is lord of 2nd house of expression).

To me this is as good as any indication of the seemingly "crafty"

and "wicked" aspect of the Fraser's nature & expression.

However, lagnesh Sun is quite strong sitting in the lagna so I would

think that is a strong mitigating factor as far as health and overall

nature is concerned.

Am I correct in saying that Magha is the royal nakshatra? Two royal

planets, Mercury (prince) & Sun (king) w/ Gulika are placed here.

This may indicate a natural feeling/tendency of superiority,

domination and leadership. In is interesing to note King Sun's role

of dispositer of Prince Mercury while at the same time King Sun is

dominating/combusting the ability of the Prince Mercury to express

itself. The whole drama is playing out front and center in the

lagna. It carries the theme of a dominating father over the son,

inhibiting the son's expression, inhibition of expression of the

prince-like characteristics of Mercury.

2nd house is unaspected & 2nd lord Mercury is afflicted by Gulika &

is combust. This may also indicate Artha/support from close friends

and family or family-like relations is lacking.

I love to see yoga karaka Mars in his own house, 9th house of higher

learning, spiritual studies. Mars & Jupiter are in mutual aspect,

forming a raja yoga (4th & 5th lords). Certainly some good results

from 9th are indicated. Though, certainly the qualities of Mars are

seen in the approach -- force of character, impatience, sense of

competion, frankness, ect. I am looking forward to the further

discussion of the Ketu as I don't have any idea on how to read Ketu &

Rahu.

But certainly the indications of Mars in the 9th along with the

indications in the lagna (overall nature) can be seen in the Fraser's

approach here in this forum.

I have to say that my opinion is that despite his tendency to "crafty

& cruel" expression, I think he has some valuable insights to share

and in general, I think he has a sharp intellect -- possibly

indicated by the raja yoga between 4th lord & 5th lords, mercury in

ascendant, Mercury's dispositor is very strong & is in an auspicious

house, Moon's dispositer is strong and is in an auspicious house.

So, overall, I think this is the chart of one who is very sharp &

fiery and has a great capacity for higher learning - specially in the

spiritual fields. However, the interactions & overall nature are

tinged by the tendency/habit to feel superior,

use "cruelcraftywicked" means, especially in expression. This

limits the ability to garner support in terms of close friends. And

as Wendy already pointed out, there is unhappiness indicated

(condition of Moon & 4th house).

Well, that is what I wanted to express about this chart and I welcome

everyone's corrections/comments/ and so forth - especially Fraser's.

I certainly reserve the right to be completely wrong about everything

I have I said in this basic interpretation!

I hope Fraser hangs around here for awhile. I know that essentially

he is someone I could respect a great deal and could learn a from.

I will be praying that some things get worked out because

1) Wendy certainly does not deserve anything but our utmost respect

and gratitude; and it saddens me to see some pettiness and "cruel"

behavior towards her.

2) I am sure Fraser could contribute greatly to this forum so I would

not like to see him leave.

We're all brothers & sisters, having a common Creator, & countless

saints and sages have been attempting to teach us to act like it for

quite awhile...

Take it easy,

Sean

jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@o...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Fraser and All,

>

> You Wrote:

> ///Even after reading my birth chart, you don't

> know me at all.

> I will be copy-pasting this post to all those who have mailed me

> privately, lest you delete it before the world sets eyes on it.

> I am sure a lot of them are still waiting for your definition of

> EXALTATION.///

>

> If I'm not mistaken it says (somewhere) in the Ramayana; "I bow to

> the demons of this world (because without them there would be no

> saints)" {or words to that effect}. There can be no doubt that the

> intent behind your words (and your ID) have been deliberately

> malicious (poorly disguised hatred), and there can be no doubt that

> the severe affliction in your 4th house of emotional heart/mind is

> the root cause...

>

> Much can be learned from your horoscope Fraser, so, for the benefit

> of learning, I will succumb to your wishes and give a reading...

> Responding particularly to your following demand, perhaps we may

all

> understand a little better the difference between exalted Ketu and

> weak/afflicted Ketu (bhava sandhi).

>

> //What do YOU say 'constitutes' exaltation. Teach me, please!//

>

> In your chart, not only is Ketu in bhava sandhi, it is at the

> (malefic) juction point between Pisces and Aries. A planet in

> Gandanta, the junction between a fire sign and water sign, i.e.

> Pisces-Aries, Cancer-Leo, and Scorpio-Sagittarius is inauspicious

> and cannot benefit the house it occupies.

> We will see how this relates to your previous statement...

>

> ///Now, if you were to look at my chart and check out ketu and it's

> dispositor,

> you would have to agree that I would have better significations of

> Ketu than Deepak.///

>

> We will also see, in light of the fact that 9th house governs such

> things as Vedas, higher learning etc., how this Ketu initiates such

> disdain towards those involved in teaching the vedic sciences i.e.

> Ayurveda (Deepak), Vedic astrology (myself)... And the significance

> of 9th lord Mars dispositorship of afflicted MO/SA.

>

> PS: For those who might have missed it before, Fraser's details are;

>

> Aug 23 1958 (07.43.55)

> Bombay, India

> Lagna: Leo 24°34'51'

>

> Time permitting I will post your reading within the next day or

two,

> Fraser. I'm also busy at the moment trying to get Vol 2 of BPHS up

> on JyotishVidya.website...so it really depends on how well I can

> manage my time.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

> -

> "walkingmisswendy" <walkingmisswendy>

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Friday, January 20, 2006 4:54 AM

> Re: The question of my marriage

>

> Wendy,

> OK that's enough!!

> The 'other' purpose of this post is to see for myself, if you allow

> it to be put up on the forum.

> I will first address your hysterics and then impart knowledge for

> whoever's benefit.

> //How can you possibly know the level of divinity(?) as it's

> manifested in this chart?//

>

> I have seen Deepak on TV on numerous occasions, and heard the man

> talk. Seen the man's condescending, supercilious, patronising

> attitude to the rest of the panel. His almost insulting ways and

> tone

> to a catholic priest. His attitude during the war, when he spoke of

> love conquering all. He spoke with that 'holier than thou' attitude.

> I can go on about other and much 'authenticated' stuff, but I do not

> want this to be on this forum, and it does not matter what you

> think.

>

> //It is possible to be non-attached to success...or are you one

> who believes it's only possible to be non-attached to

> poverty.//

>

> If you actually believe, that, that is what I suggested, then I have

> nothing to say on that point at all. If you knew my background or if

> you knew basic astrology, you would know better, having access to my

> birth chart. But, never mind, I understand......

>

> //Yes, this would amaze me, Fraser! Although I do not consider

> myself a better(?) to anyone, I do find your new ID

> walkingmisswendy) totally disrespectful...and that was exactly

> what you intended!//

>

> The name I chose, was malicious. I take full reponsibility to having

> an intent that was far from 'pure'. I do see that it was in bad

> taste, to say the least. It was a nasty temptation that I gave in

> to.

> It was wrong. It is despicable. It carried with it, a twisted sense

> of humour. It was the work of the lesser man in me. If you have read

> so far and are waiting for that word, here it is: SORRY !!.

> Now Wendy, what did we learn here? GRACE. Yes, Grace. I have the

> backbone to own up and admit, and receive, that rap on the wrist. If

> only, you would take a lesson from me and stop getting hyper at

> every

> turn.

> ALSO, -this I never thought, I would be forced to bring up, but I

> find it compelling now. In the last few days I have received more

> than 9 (yes more than 9 -its not a typo)private emails,

> from 'regulars' on this forum. If they are reading this, they know

> who they are. The contents of those emails is negative, and its not

> directed towards me.

> The last time I asked you if you wanted me to leave and you blocked

> me. I don't understand. Ask me to leave openly on the forum and I

> will leave. It's simple.

> No matter what you say and think, I do not have anything against

> you.

> I do not send out malicious private emails. Thats not me. I prefer

> to

> be outspoken and honest. Even after reading my birth chart, you

> don't

> know me at all.

> I will be copy-pasting this post to all those who have mailed me

> privately, lest you delete it before the world sets eyes on it.

> I am sure a lot of them are still waiting for your definition of

> EXALTATION.

> Have a nice day, Wendy.

> Regards,

> Fraser

>

January 21, 2006

TO THE GROUP

we are not dealing with a genius here

a simple ignored person looking for some attention

as we see here gnayan ( knowledge) karak jup is eclipsed by rahu

the karak or education and intellect mercury is combust

and so is mind the moon karak moon is afflicted by retro saturn

and strong guru chandal yoga makes him a hypocrite

9th 9th lord and jup all three are afflicted is guru chandal yoga

regs jiger

-

Sean Patrick Kelly

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:31 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Enemies can teach us much: I bow to them!